Self Buffed DS

[Mostly_Harmless]

I'm just curious what the average DS for a lvl 65 self buffed Sorc should be. I'm at 410DS with runestaff and all my def spells/signs up in guarded stance.

Wondering if that's average or high/low...

[Xandalf]

Depends on your gear, your stats, your spells, skills, etc.

More detail?

In general though, I feel like Xand's was quite a bit higher than that at that level.

[GuildRat]

Xand used a few other spells other than self-spelling at that train.

[Xandalf]

I am talking about self spelled.

Don't talk back to me ever, ever, ever again.

[Mostly_Harmless]

hmm... Gear is probably not the best. It's about 8 years old, if not older.
I have some supple black hunting leathers, +18 double leather equivalent. I believe my runestaff is 4x, but i'm not 100%sure...

I'll have to post my skills/stats a little later once i'm able to log in.

I can hunt the Skull Temple with no problems self buffed in guarded. Can't really be touched. I'm just wondering if i should be able to stance up at all and still be OK.

[Necromancer]

your guarded DS is all you need to be worried about until you hit OTF or the Temple. Then you can worry about higher stance DS.

And hopefully you'll be well trained in Scroll Infusion at that point

[mgoddess]

hmm... Gear is probably not the best. It's about 8 years old, if not older.
I have some supple black hunting leathers, +18 double leather equivalent. I believe my runestaff is 4x, but i'm not 100%sure...

I'll have to post my skills/stats a little later once i'm able to log in.

I can hunt the Skull Temple with no problems self buffed in guarded. Can't really be touched. I'm just wondering if i should be able to stance up at all and still be OK.

Since you're a runestaff user, I'd say you might want to try it, but be prepared to stance dance. Runestaves only give their DS while in stances other then offensive...and it's a percentage based on the stance you're in. So, you wouldn't get any runestaff DS in offensive, 50% in neutral, 100% in defensive, etc. I switched my sorc from using a runestaff to a shield, and I saw a marked improvement on her DS (as well as being able to go full offensive, compared to having to stay in guarded/advanced with the runestaff). (Of course, going from guarded/advanced to full-on offensive, I saw a very nice improvement of her spell-throwing as well. :))

[Gan]

Jaken swings a wickedly taloned orase runestaff at you!
AS: +36 vs DS: +385 with AvD: +12 + d100 roll: +34 = -303
A clean miss.

Self spelled (no COL or Voln enhancements), level 61 sorcerer usinng a 5x shield (shield/brawl), open right hand, 4x armor, and in guarded stance.

101: Spirit Warding I - 49:15 remaining.
102: Spirit Barrier - 49:18 remaining.
103: Spirit Defense - 1h 17:52 remaining.
120: Lesser Shroud - 49:25 remaining.
401: Elemental Defense I - 47:33 remaining.
406: Elemental Defense II - 47:37 remaining.
414: Elemental Defense III - 47:40 remaining.
425: Elemental Targeting - 25:18 remaining.
430: Elemental Barrier - 25:15 remaining.
712: Cloak of Shadows - 1h 04:30 remaining.


Your spell lists:
Minor Spiritual...37
Minor Elemental...35
Sorcerer Base.....62

Armor Use..........................| 40 8
Shield Use.........................| 163 63
Brawling...........................| 163 63
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24
Arcane Symbols.....................| 163 63
Magic Item Use.....................| 126 33
Spell Aiming.......................| 226 126
Harness Power......................| 162 62
Elemental Mana Control.............| 163 63
Spirit Mana Control................| 163 63
Sorcerous Lore - Demonology........| 147 47
Sorcerous Lore - Necromancy........| 70 15
Perception.........................| 162 62
Climbing...........................| 93 21
Swimming...........................| 82 18

Not that this is an apples to apples comparison; however, it does give you some reference to what your DS in guarded would be with a sorc who uses an alternate training plan than runestaff.

[Meges]

What's a runestaff? /sarcasm


Meges

[GuildRat]

I am talking about self spelled.

Don't talk back to me ever, ever, ever again.

Die darky...die.

[Asha]

That's almost a good DS at your train if you're using nothing but cheap gear.
But you're a sorcerer and if you're not stupid you'll be using many, many more spells than naturally available to you.

[Mostly_Harmless]

I was just curious if other sorcerers were able to stance forward with their self spelled DS to channel 702 or use bolt wands without running a high risk of death.

My stats/skills are below, any advice is appreciated btw...

Gender: Male Age: 107 Expr: 4007390 Level: 65
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 62 (6) ... 62 (6)
Constitution (CON): 59 (-1) ... 46 (-7)
Dexterity (DEX): 80 (25) ... 80 (25)
Agility (AGI): 81 (20) ... 81 (20)
Discipline (DIS): 99 (14) ... 99 (14)
Aura (AUR): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Logic (LOG): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Intuition (INT): 81 (20) ... 81 (20)
Wisdom (WIS): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Influence (INF): 81 (10) ... 81 (10)


Skill Name | Current Current| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 30 6
Physical Fitness...................| 90 20
Arcane Symbols.....................| 175 75
Magic Item Use.....................| 174 74
Spell Aiming.......................| 234 134
Harness Power......................| 166 66
Elemental Mana Control.............| 165 65
Spirit Mana Control................| 165 65
Sorcerous Lore - Demonology........| 150 50
Sorcerous Lore - Necromancy........| 183 83
Perception.........................| 50 10
Climbing...........................| 99 23

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 41

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 40

Spell Lists
Sorcerer...........................| 68
Training Points: 67 Phy 0 Mnt (1914 Phy converted to Mnt)
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)

[Gan]

I use a quick cast script (alias with psinet) to stance dance using spells that give greater effecft when cast in offensive.

An example of a quick cast script can be found in the scripts/miscellaneous folder.

[Necromancer]

I haven't been able to forward my stance in a looong time (not counting underhunting in the Tower for cash). Honestly there's no need, especially if you have an MAL of +2 (+3 if you hurry and nab 2 more necro ranks). You can have an animate do most of the work for you.

Otherwise, it's generally not worth the risk to stance dance at higher levels. You have a full arsenal of attack spells; use them to their fullest. And with a runestaff you have an automatic free hand to channel your MD.

[Sean of the Thread]

Open hand brawler ftw!