2004 Election Voter Guide

[Pulpit]

Not sure if this has been posted yet or not I apologize a head of time if it has
so you you go

2004 Election Voter Guide

Depending on the way you lean, the following information could have a
bearing on decisions you make in November 2004.

Issues of Importance =

* Gay Marriage:
President Bush is opposed.
John Kerry favors.

* Partial-Birth Abortion:
President Bush is opposed.
John Kerry favors.

* Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools:
President Bush Favors.
John Kerry is Opposed.

* Mel Gibson & the making of a film about Christ:
President Bush supports Gibson.
John Kerry participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting
possible anti- Semitism even though Kerry had not seen the film.

* Boy Scouts' belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout Leaders:
President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand. John Kerry opposes boy
Scouts' stand.

* Asking for God's blessing on America:
President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches.
John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often.

* Judges:
President bush says "We need common-sense judges who believe
our rights are derived from God."
John Kerry insists on judges who support the ACLU's radical anti
Christian, anti-God, anti-family agenda.
John Kerry is insistent on blocking President Bush's federal judge
appointments.

* Overall Record:
President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress but, based
on his publicly stated positions, would receive an 85% conservative
rating.

John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral
National
Journal, rates Kerry the most liberal U. S. Senator in 2003 - more
liberal
than Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton.

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Some facts to ponder before election day...

1. There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of
January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January. That's in just one American city, and it's about as
deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq .

2. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have ! started this war,
state the following . FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never
attacked us:
Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of
112,500 per year. Truman... finished that war and started one in Korea , North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy... started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us. Johnson.... turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965 1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. Clinton ... went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.



3. In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has ..
liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put
nuclear inspectors in Libya , Iran and North Korea without firing a
shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own
people.



4. The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but:
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the
Branch Davidian compound.That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less
time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the RoseLaw Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call
the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick. It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in

Florida !!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The military moral is high!
The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.

[Latrinsorm]

Call me crazy, but I get the feeling this is supporting one candidate over the other.

[Tsa`ah]

I would call you crazy, but not for thinking that.

There are some inaccuracies in that list, maybe do some research?

[Farquar]

Three words...

Worst...president...ever.

[Farquar]

Oops, I forgot to address the "facts":


Originally posted by Pulpit
1. There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of
January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January. That's in just one American city, and it's about as
deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq .

Think about this, just for a second. Soldiers tend to be well-trained for combat situations; they tend to be heavily armed and covered in head-to-toe body armor. Don't you think it takes a bit more of a hostile environment to kill 39 of these soldiers than it does to kill the same number of civilians?




2. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have ! started this war,
state the following . FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never
attacked us:
Japan did.

I believe Germany declared war on the U.S. after the U.S. declared war on Japan.



3. In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has ..
liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put
nuclear inspectors in Libya , Iran and North Korea without firing a
shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own
people.
I think it's somewhat of a stretch to call Afghanistan and Iraq "liberated."
As for Al-qaida and the Taliban, we're doing an awful lot over there subduing enemies that are already "crushed."
The inspectors were already there, as per the U.N.



4. The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but:
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the
Branch Davidian compound.That was a 51 day operation.
Yeah, we took Iraq alright. Mission accomplished!

[Pulpit]

Just so you know I didn't write this ..It was an email I got ..But anyway it gives you so things to think about before you vote...any inaccuracies you want to find sorry not my fault...

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Pulpit
Just so you know I didn't write this ..It was an email I got

Did ParkBandit send it?

Just curious.

[Farquar]

Originally posted by Pulpit
Just so you know I didn't write this ..It was an email I got ..But anyway it gives you so things to think about before you vote...any inaccuracies you want to find sorry not my fault...

Obviously, you believe that tripe enough to post it, and that's what I have issue with.

[Pulpit]

Well I thought you guys would get a kick out it to behonest ..Any other Issues may have oh well guess you will have to get over them

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
I would call you crazy, but not for thinking that.:spaz:
Originally posted by Farquar
they tend to be heavily armed and covered in head-to-toe body armor. Detroit didn't get the nickname "Murder City" because there are a lot of crows there. I don't know how that applies, but it sounded really cool when I thought it up.

The only thing that actually has me worried about this topic so far is that whole thing where people think the Passion of the Christ was anti-Semitic.

[4a6c1]

Originally posted by Farquar
Three words...

Worst...president...ever.

Ugh. Overly dramatic much?

I would disagree and point that history suggests that the worst presidencies we have ever had were the ones during the Gilded Age at the turn of the previous century.

:)

[Edited on 10-29-2004 by JihnasSpirit]

[Alfster]

I got that same email, but with it the reply of someone that obviously didn't buy into the BS of it. Here it is, and is in no way written by myself. My apologies as it is quite long.


Just to put our Iraq war losses into perspective

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January.....
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.
One American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.

When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, consider ...

FDR... led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Harry Truman... finished that war and started one in Korea,
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy... started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson... turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton... went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent,
Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter
three times by Sudan and did nothing.
Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us
President Bush has ... liberated two countries,
crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors

in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot,
and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking,
but... It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take
the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less
time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy
the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police
after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military moral is high!

But our biased media hope we're too ignorant to realize the facts.


I mean, yeah, it's politics and all, but what the fuck? Maybe if I was a moron, "meat with eyes" as Lewis Black put it, I'd buy into this. But, being semi-intelligent (not to mention a hot piece of ass), I had to reply:

Just a slightly different perspective...

No one has ever, EVER, referred to Detroit as a "fair city." 35 murders in January. In the same time, 13,370 people died of lung cancer (est.) in the United States, and 4,833 people died in car accidents (est.). And those three sets of numbers are as statistically relevant to military deaths in Iraq as, um, nothing.

One can argue that because of defiance of Japan's Greater East Asia Policy and failure to act on war games results conducted for ten years that Pearl Harbor was vulnerable to attack, FDR led us into WWII. Yet on the same level, some could say that Bush led us into the current situation when taking into account all the intelligence that was ignored or downplayed prior to 9/11. Reports that have since been forgotten about. Or, made to be forgotten about.

Germany declared war on the United States four days after Pearl Harbor was attacked, and three days after FDR declared a state of way with Germany. As a matter of fact, here's the text of the declaration as presented by Joachim von Ribbentrop:

MR. CHARGE D'AFFAIRES:
The Government of the United States having violated in the most flagrant manner and in ever increasing measure all rules of neutrality in favor of the adversaries of Germany and having continually been guilty of the most severe provocations toward Germany ever since the outbreak of the European war, provoked by the British declaration of war against Germany on September 3, 1939, has finally resorted to open military acts of aggression.

On September 11, 1941, the President of the United States publicly declared that he had ordered the American Navy and Air Force to shoot on sight at any German war vessel. In his speech of October 27, 1941, he once more expressly affirmed that this order was in force. Acting under this order, vessels of the American Navy, since early September 1941, have systematically attacked German naval forces. Thus, American destroyers, as for instance the Greer, the Kearney and the Reuben James, have opened fire on German sub-marines according to plan. The Secretary of the American Navy, Mr. Knox, himself confirmed that-American destroyers attacked German submarines.

Furthermore, the naval forces of the United States, under order of their Government and contrary to international law have treated and seized German merchant vessels on the high seas as enemy ships.

The German Government therefore establishes the following facts:

Although Germany on her part has strictly adhered to the rules of international law in her relations with the United States during every period of the present war, the Government of the United States from initial violations of neutrality has finally proceeded to open acts of war against Germany. The Government of the United States has thereby virtually created a state of war.

The German Government, consequently, discontinues diplomatic relations with the United States of America and declares that under these circumstances brought about by President Roosevelt Germany too, as from today, considers herself as being in a state of war with the United States of America.

Accept, Mr. Charge d'Affaires, the expression of my high consideration.

December 11, 1941.

RIBBENTROP.

Italy also declared war on the United States on 11 December 1941, although I'm still at a loss to figure out how they planned on conducting said war when they couldn't fight anyone else.

Truman got us involved in Korea. Under a policy of containment. Anyone remember communism? Kim Il Sung, the Soviet Union, great bunch of guys, great drinkers. Could really pound down the vodka.

Kennedy got us involved in Vietnam. Kennedy got us involved in Vietnam under a policy of containment. Those pesky commies again. No, Vietnam did not declare war on us. Then again, Lebanon didn't declare war on the U.S. either when 241 U.S. Marines were killed by a truck bomb on 23 October 1983. The President who sent them there: Ronald Wilson Reagan. The Great Communicator. The guy who made the joke, "I have just signed legislation outlawing Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes." Which, incidentally, is very funny. Unless you're Russian. And have thousands of nuclear weapons at your fingertips trained on the United States.

Johnson DID turn Vietnam into a quagmire. Then again, the we-bombed-the-village-in-order-to-save-it mentality the U.S. military had did little to bring the people of South Vietnam closer to our bosom. Hence, the Viet Cong.

I have no defense for Clinton. Although at least we had a President who was getting some.

To turn the tables, I don't think Libya or Grenada ever declared war on us, either. Then again, it doesn't take much to knock over a fruit stand with two aircraft carriers. Like scheduling the Yankees to play the St. Mary's School For The Blind. An easy win. Iraq didn't declare war on us in 1991. I mean, I was drinking a lot in those days, but my memory is still pretty intact. Oh, and they didn't declare war on us last year, either. And outside of Mohammad Atta buying a double latte at Saddambucks in 2000, no one has any evidence that Iraq was involved in 9/11. At least if you believe the 9/11 commission. And if they did half as good a job as the Warren Commission did, then all your buying at Barnes and Noble is hundreds of pieces of very coarse toilet paper. Charmin should have been the publisher, not Norton, W.W. and Co.

And in two years since terrorists attacked us, Bush has liberated two countries, although we maintain a sizeable military presence in both of them, and some would argue just how "liberated" Iraq is, while FDR, who was bashed in this e-mail, liberated France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Luxembourg, Norway, North Africa, and by entering into Lend-Lease with the Soviets allowing them to continue to fight on the Eastern Front and thereby drawing German military power from the west, stopping what would have been a full invasion of England. Oh, and you can argue that he also liberated Italy, and had not a case of death kept him from the Oval Office, would have seen the surrender of the NSDAP on 8 May 1945 and Japan three months later. Not bad for four years.

And just to stem off the argument that FDR got into bed with the communists to defeat the Germans, we've gotten into the sack with Pakistan, who will sell nuclear material to anyone, and Saudi Arabia, where 14 of the 19 hijackers were from. And no one has ever accused the Saudi royal family of being a benevolent regime.

A lot of good putting inspectors in North Korea did. Yes, they have nuclear weapons capability, if not the weapons themselves. I haven't heard about that since, either. It's one thing to find them, it's another thing to remove them. Kind of like putting an inspector in your kid's room to find drugs, then find the drugs, then leave them where you found them.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons, unabated and undeterred by anyone, for 17 months. It's hard to compare the time it takes someone to find something who doesn't want it found with the time it takes someone to find something they want to find. Billing records can be hidden in the back of a dresser drawer. Chemical and biological weapons stockpiles usually take a slightly larger space to hide. No one ever claimed to have surveillance photos of the locations of the Rose Law Firm billing records.

And I can get the kids from Franklin Lane High School in Cypress Hill to destroy the Medina Republican Guard faster than Kennedy called the police. It's not like we were talking about the Waffen SS.

And it may have taken less time to invade Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida, but at least they found the votes. Maybe if the votes had been kept in the same building with the chemical and biological weapons, we'd be better off.

Douglas Adams, author and until a few years ago alive, wrote The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy series among other books. He wrote this about politics:

The major problem - one of the major problems, for there are several - one of the many major problems with governing people is that if whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.

To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule are, ipso facto, the least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.

He was referring to the Galactic President, Zaphod Beeblebrox. However, I think it works on our little corner of the Universe as well.

I'm not for Kerry. And I'm not for Bush. I voted for McCain in the primaries in 2000, and he's my guy until... well, until I say otherwise. Voting for President is kind of like voting on which inmate you want to bunk with in Sing Sing. No matter what, you're gonna be the bitch.

Just giving you a different view.

--kenny