If you were curious about where Travus went....

[Creature of the Night]

Hey if you remember Travus, Trovus and or Truvas... If you were all wondering where he disappeared to.... click on
the following link:
http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news-11/1068135427274870.xml

Keep in mind...not all who are here are pleasant and nice people in real life. Just letting you know that there are people out there that are truly evil.

[Hulkein]

Was he the one who died or killed?

[Adhara]

The killer is the the player of the characters you speak of?

Could you please tell us how you know this for a fact?

[Creature of the Night]

He was the killer.

[JustMe]

I remember him. How are you so sure he was the killer?

[Creature of the Night]

I knew him personally and I attended his trial and yes he was the player of those characters.

[Creature of the Night]

He confessed to me what he had done.

[Camri]

So...

Did you know him in real life, and attend his trial as his friend? Is that why he confessed what he had done to you?

If that's the case, why are you here on a public message board, telling people how truly evil he is?

Gee, I hope I don't have any friends like you.

[Creature of the Night]

NO. I was not there as his friend. I testified against him for what he had done. And I am glad I don't have friends like you either. Seeing as you can't differenciate the that he is evil and did not deserve my support as a friend.

[GSLeloo]

You know what, though, if he was the friend and testified against the guy, all the power to him. I remember in my Human Relations class we studied this case where this guy, 19 years old, took a 7 year old girl into a bathroom. The friend saw him holding the girl and stopping her from screaming in the stall of a bathroom and he just left the bathroom. The man then raped and murdered the seven year old and confessed it to his friend. Then they went to casino's and hung out and he never turned the guy in for MURDER of a seven year old.

And he still to this day doesn't believe him not telling or not stopping his friend was wrong. Why? Cause they were best friends and the girl was someone he didn't know so it was OK. Bullshit, the guy should be charged for murder. I would turn any friend or relative in if I found out they raped or murdered someone. I think it's great if he was able to testify against his friend to make up for his friends act.

[Creature of the Night]

Thank you GSLeloo! It was one of the hardest things I have had to do.

[Camri]

Originally posted by Creature of the Night
NO. I was not there as his friend. I testified against him for what he had done. And I am glad I don't have friends like you either. Seeing as you can't differenciate the that he is evil and did not deserve my support as a friend.

If you weren't his friend, why did he confess to you?

I'm asking this stuff because anyone could come on here and say anything about someone who disappeared from the lands.

And I'm quite capable of seeing what he did as evil, if he did it, and if he wasn't actually mentally unstable, considering it was mentioned that he was previously diagnosed as bi-polar.

What prompted you to bring this to these boards anyway, and how do you know about them? Do you , or did you play GS?

[JustMe]

I agree with Leloo. It wouldn't matter if it was my best friend, my relative or someone I didn't know. If you rape or murder someone, be prepared to pay the consequences. He deserves everything he gets and I'm sure he'll get it right back...

[Creature of the Night]

I was his friend until he did what he did. I could never condone murder and all the rest he did from anyone.

I came to the boards hoping that knowing that people like him walk the lands, that maybe someone who could possibly be a next victim might take heed.

Yes I have played GS for many years.

[Camri]

It's not the testifying part that I disagree with.

It's the posting about how evil he is on a public message board, after the fact.

If I had to testify against someone I cared about. I think posting on a message board centered around a game, would be one of the last things I would do.

Doesn't anyone else find it odd that this person is suddenly posting this stuff, here?

[Camri]

Originally posted by Creature of the Night
I was his friend until he did what he did. I could never condone murder and all the rest he did from anyone.

I came to the boards hoping that knowing that people like him walk the lands, that maybe someone who could possibly be a next victim might take heed.

Yes I have played GS for many years.

Ok, I guess that's an acceptable answer.

Was one of the victims of this crime also a GS player?

[GSLeloo]

But if his point was to help people, it was a noble idea. Imagine if there was someone walking around GS, searching for kids around 14, meeting them, and killing them. I know it's extreme, but I'd rather someone tried to remind people that it's still not really safe.

[Camri]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
But if his point was to help people, it was a noble idea. Imagine if there was someone walking around GS, searching for kids around 14, meeting them, and killing them. I know it's extreme, but I'd rather someone tried to remind people that it's still not really safe.

I think we already all know about the pedofiles, and weirdos, Leloo.

This wasn't just a general warning. He singled out a specific person, and a specific case. And it doesn't look like it was even GS related, unless he comes back with one of the victims being a GS player also.

[GSLeloo]

I just think we're a little too trigger-happy to attack him when we don't even know what his real motive was.

[JustMe]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
But if his point was to help people, it was a noble idea. Imagine if there was someone walking around GS, searching for kids around 14, meeting them, and killing them. I know it's extreme, but I'd rather someone tried to remind people that it's still not really safe.

It's not extreme at all. Where I live 2 girls (ages 16 and 17) met up with a guy they met over the internet. Both of them were raped, tied up and then burnt to death in their car....

I think he's right to post and warn people. It is a wake up call to many people... there ARE people that crazy playing GS. Becareful who you trust.

Edited to add: How is this not GS related? The guy played GS, and who is to say he never tried to meet anyone from there? Hell he could have been at Simucon. It is GS related...

[Edited on 11-6-2003 by JustMe]

[Adhara]

I don't think we can be reminded too often that this kind of thing happens.

I thank you for the warning.

[Snapp]

I have to admit that it looks pretty odd to register and post something like that all on the same day... but thank you for the warning I guess.

[Camri]

OK, now you're jumping to conclusions and turning the guy into an even bigger monster than he already is.

There was no mention on the story about this case of him stalking, or preying on anyone. Not anyone in real life, or on the internet.

It said it was a crime of jealousy. It also said the guy had a history of mental illness. Nothing about being a stalking internet killer.

It doesn't have anything to do with GS. I seriously doubt anyone in the game was ever in danger of this guy. It is NOT GS related.

If Creature of the night had showed up with a general warning, without adding names, and cases, I would be more likely to buy that they were just trying to be helpful. The way it was went about, it looks more personal to me.

Nothing is above being questioned.

[GSLeloo]

But it's like asking the motive of someone that turns in a killer. Sometimes there is no motive, sometimes you just want to truly help people, warn people, make up for the crimes of a friend. I think that even if it ends up to be false, at least it reminded people that GS isn't that safe, especially since there are lots of people around 12-14 that play it and have relationships with people IG that are really 30-40 in real life.

[Dighn Darkbeam]

This is why I never have, am not currently, nor will I ever have a serious relationship from anyone in gemstone that I have not met before playing. Friendships are one thing, getting romantically involved carries more risks than most people are willing to realize.

[Edited on 11-6-2003 by Dighn Darkbeam]

[Snapp]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
I think that even if it ends up to be false, at least it reminded people that GS isn't that safe, especially since there are lots of people around 12-14 that play it and have relationships with people IG that are really 30-40 in real life.

Like your in game sister? :lol:

I see Camri's point completely, it is pretty off the wall to come in out of no where and throw out an accusation like that.

[Creature of the Night]

It is not an accusation. It is the truth. His history, I did not care to dwell or write on it, but due to the fact that some of you are attacking, I will.

I could not write nor speak before the trial was over. Keep that in mind. I registered today with a different name as not to endanger myself or my family from people who would hurt us.

His history as a sexual deviant is long and grotesque. At the age of 22 he impregnated a 13 year old and refused to see this as a crime, as he felt for her. Two years later, he was convicted for raping a 15 year old.

This last girl that he was with, he found her when she was almost 16 and forced her to stay with him for 4 years, after she left him, he told me of his desire to kill this young man she was now dating. I never thought he would act on it. He then broke into their house, raped her in front of the young man, took them at gunpoint where he raped her again when the young man tried to stop it by breaking through some handcuffs and breaking down the door to the bedroom, this man shot him 3 times in the chest. It is not hearsay as it is all on tape.

Take from the warning what you will... or not. It matters not to me. I tried to warn people who may now think twice before giving out their phone numbers to people they do not know.

And yes... he tried and did meet people from GS. Not just online but specifically from the lands. Who now live to regret the decision they made to meet with him.

Take what you will. And blessed be.

[Camri]

Originally posted by Creature of the Night
It is not an accusation. It is the truth. His history, I did not care to dwell or write on it, but due to the fact that some of you are attacking, I will.

I could not write nor speak before the trial was over. Keep that in mind. I registered today with a different name as not to endanger myself or my family from people who would hurt us.

His history as a sexual deviant is long and grotesque. At the age of 22 he impregnated a 13 year old and refused to see this as a crime, as he felt for her. Two years later, he was convicted for raping a 15 year old.

This last girl that he was with, he found her when she was almost 16 and forced her to stay with him for 4 years, after she left him, he told me of his desire to kill this young man she was now dating. I never thought he would act on it. He then broke into their house, raped her in front of the young man, took them at gunpoint where he raped her again when the young man tried to stop it by breaking through some handcuffs and breaking down the door to the bedroom, this man shot him 3 times in the chest. It is not hearsay as it is all on tape.

Take from the warning what you will... or not. It matters not to me. I tried to warn people who may now think twice before giving out their phone numbers to people they do not know.

And yes... he tried and did meet people from GS. Not just online but specifically from the lands. Who now live to regret the decision they made to meet with him.

Take what you will. And blessed be.

You should have said all that to begin with, and you wouldn't have been questioned.

[Praefection]

That is seriously creepy. I knew Travus and talked with him on a semi regular basis about 2-3 years ago when my last bodies were in GS. I think I remember him talking about this particular girl but I lost contact with him once I left GS and moved. Wow, that is some scary shit. And from the information in the article I know it's true..

[GSLeloo]

And I think you shouldn't insult her for speaking her mind so you shut the fuck up. I gave my opinion, she gave hers, they differed but I feel no reason to yell at her for it.

[Hulkein]

Telling someone to shut the fuck up is an insult? I'm just speaking my mind.

Edit: You might say I was insulting if I said something like 'listen you dumb slut, stop hassling someone for no good reason other than the fact that you are fat and ugly and unhappy with your life so you like to bust other peoples balls. Get off your ass and out of your dirty cloths and get a shower and a well paying job.'

Now, if I had said that, that would be mean. Obviously I would never say such a thing, instead I'll just tell her to shut the fuck up.

PS. I originally posted after Camri's post saying 'No, you should shut the fuck up next time and be happy someone is looking out for us.' I thought I posted it twice by mistake so I deleted it, but turns out there was only one, lol.

[Edited on 11-6-2003 by Hulkein]

[GuildRat]

Man!! A lot of these posts should go to chat, as often as the the threads get personal.

That'd be faster than...post...wait a minute....read other person's post....post....wait a minute...and so on and so on....

[EmpressBtch]

Whats with the new odd-balls coming from Michigan? We had the Ted unibomber and Tim, the guy that blew up the Federal Building oh yeah and The Ramseys vacationed here.

[Praefection]

"We had the Ted unibomber"

Ted was from Montana. When I was still in high school I used to tell people he was my uncle as a joke. I think they found him about an hour away from where I live though.

[EmpressBtch]

Ted went to the University of Michigan

[Caiylania]

If this guy really was a GS player I don't have a hard time believing it. There are no doubts in my mind that there are sick people running around this game. I agree with Dighn Darkbeam about never getting romantically involved.

I've met people who dated IG and they couldn't get rid of the person OOG. One guy was even calling one girl's house and she was trying to tell him... I don't love you, its RP! Or could you imagine a 60 yo calling the 'love of his life' to find out she is a 25 year old? Or a kid calling up someone old enough to be his mom? To many situations to consider.

that probably got off track. Oh well. Just my two silvers.

Either way, the guy got what he deserved. To bad SIMU can't run names in Perv databases and ban people convicted of felonies and violent crimes.

[Edited on 11-6-2003 by Caiylania]

[Camri]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Telling someone to shut the fuck up is an insult? I'm just speaking my mind.

Edit: You might say I was insulting if I said something like 'listen you dumb slut, stop hassling someone for no good reason other than the fact that you are fat and ugly and unhappy with your life so you like to bust other peoples balls. Get off your ass and out of your dirty cloths and get a shower and a well paying job.'

Now, if I had said that, that would be mean. Obviously I would never say such a thing, instead I'll just tell her to shut the fuck up.

PS. I originally posted after Camri's post saying 'No, you should shut the fuck up next time and be happy someone is looking out for us.' I thought I posted it twice by mistake so I deleted it, but turns out there was only one, lol.

It's ok, I still have the original.

[Edited on 11-6-2003 by Hulkein]
No, you should just shut the fuck up next time and appreciate that this guy is looking out for others. [/quote]

And you should shut the fuck up, because you're obviously too stupid to question whatever bullshit someone might tell you.

Now as far as your other insults that you 'Didn't' say. You're way off. Everyone that knows me at all knows that. SO shut the fuck up about that too.

There's nothing wrong with questioning anything that doesn't look right.
If you're so concerned about warnings about 'evil' people in the game, how the hell would you know about these people if nobody ever questioned them?

Get a life.

[Hulkein]

Camri,

I wasn't insulting anyone, all I know is you are a petty and bitter person. Hassling this guy for simply telling us all this interesting story. It was fairly obvious to anyone intelligent he had no fucking alterior motive for telling us, so what is the point of questioning?

Shut the fuck up, thanks.

[AkMan]

Rofl come on guys. You should really break the prozac in half.

Seriously......I see people mentioning this isn't related to GS...Well that's why it's in off-topic. I also don't see why everyone had to jump on him.

[GSLeloo]

She is not a petty and bitter person. She was being cautious which is a great thing to do. Why are you attacking her for no reason? You're using the fact that her stance in this thread was against the majority to go after her well stop it and back off.

[Hulkein]

I didn't attack anyone, I told her to shut the fuck up, simple as that.

I'm not using the fact that her stance was against the majority at all, I don't give a fuck what other people think, including you. There is no reason to be 'cautious' and question someone who is just posting something interesting. The guy answered her questions multiple times, and it wasn't enough. Instead, he had to write a fucking thesis on what happened for her to stop breaking his balls. She is in fact petty and bitter, dear.

[GSLeloo]

So let's say you disappear and I come and make a thread titled "Guess where Hulkein went" and post a huge article about a serial killer that likes to eat male genitalia and instead of someone questioning my information and motive, they all just go "Ok she said it so she was warning us to be careful of what might've happened in GS so we'll accept that Hulkein likes to eat male genitalia." That'd be ok?

[Tendarian]

Or could you imagine a 60 yo calling the 'love of his life' to find out she is a 25 year old?

As long as im the 60 year old, hell yeah.

[Warriorbird]

Ha ha ha. That avatar looks like me, age 7 or 8. A cocky little smart-ass.

[Hulkein]

Few differences

1) There would be a reasonable suspicion that the person posting (you) has a hidden motive in saying all that(about me) whereas this is not evident with Travus. I have been known to post here, so obviously you may have bad blood here and just want to trash my reputation since people here know me.. This is untrue for Travus, he's never been on the board.

2) I didn't say anything about her questioning, as you can see I responded first and was watching the thread pretty much the whole time. I only added my two-cents after she REPEATEDLY questioned him, and he responded with a good answer. Not only that really, than at the end she says 'oh, well.... you shoulda just said that the whole time.' And I interpreted that as a little brat realizing she was wrong and making noise for no reason, so she tries to act like HE was wrong here.

[Edited on 11-6-2003 by Hulkein]

[HarmNone]

Thanks, Creature, for reminding us again why it is important to maintain our good, common sense when on the internet. There are great things out here, but there are also terrible things. It is distressing to think that some of us knew, and spoke to, this murderous individual, never knowing the truth of who he was.

It does make one think.

HarmNone finds herself shuddering

[Creature of the Night]

You are welcome HarmNone.

[GSLeloo]

So what if I went on another board and posted the same thing? The point is, I could go and slander anyone if I wanted and if no one questioned me then no matter what I said it would be right. That'd be like if I said that England was going to attack America and no one doubted what I said, questioned me, tried to get their own information, but just went blindly on what I said. camri was asking for more information, she was asking for proof of why we should believe what he said based on nothing other than his word.

[Blackroses]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Camri,

I wasn't insulting anyone, all I know is you are a petty and bitter person. Hassling this guy for simply telling us all this interesting story. It was fairly obvious to anyone intelligent he had no fucking alterior motive for telling us, so what is the point of questioning?

Shut the fuck up, thanks.



Hmm Hulkie-poo

seems like you are bashing on Camri for something that happened IG and because she got the best of you there you now feel the need to bash on her here for something totally understandable.. Had i seen this post earlier i would have questioned it as well .. Now knowing that this freak played GS is a scary thing and that one of his victims did as well .. thats very very scary. You in fact are the pety person to be bringing something against Camri that happened IG to these boards which is totally shown by the manner in which you speak to her here. Get a life and grow up.

I think you should have some chicken for dinner.. Maybe if we are lucky you will choke on a chicken bone and DIE !!!!

[Blackroses]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Few differences

1) There would be a reasonable suspicion that the person posting (you) has a hidden motive in saying all that(about me) whereas this is not evident with Travus. I have been known to post here, so obviously you may have bad blood here and just want to trash my reputation since people here know me.. This is untrue for Travus, he's never been on the board.
<<< are you trying to say that someone that comes in out of the blue one day and looks as if they have never posted before and then postes something like this .. it may not be questionable ???..The bad blood i believe is On your end .. you are out to get Camri because she put you in your place when you decided to talk shit about people who are gay. She OWNED your ass and now you are pissed off , so you think you need to come here and bash on her to make a point .. It isnt working hon.>>>
2) I didn't say anything about her questioning, as you can see I responded first and was watching the thread pretty much the whole time. I only added my two-cents after she REPEATEDLY questioned him, and he responded with a good answer. Not only that really, than at the end she says 'oh, well.... you shoulda just said that the whole time.' And I interpreted that as a little brat realizing she was wrong and making noise for no reason, so she tries to act like HE was wrong here.

<< Camri is not a little brat and she wasnt wrong in my opinion.. See above yet again on why i think you are a sad sad little man >>


Chick...Chick.. Chicken tonight !! I really hope you have chicken tonight !!!

[Edited on 11-6-2003 by Hulkein]

[GS4Gurl]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
But if his point was to help people, it was a noble idea. Imagine if there was someone walking around GS, searching for kids around 14, meeting them, and killing them. I know it's extreme, but I'd rather someone tried to remind people that it's still not really safe.

Most definately. Over the years I have learned things aren't at all what they seem and be leary of trusting people too easily. I don't think its bad that he came here posting about what his ex friend did. Its a good wake up call. I wish more people would do it actually.

[GSLeloo]

I am glad he did, even if he was false it does just remind us that we don't know who anyone is beyond their word. But at the same time, take in the information but do not blindly trust it. What was the analgoy we had.. how the flamingo in alice in wonderland wasn't always what it seemed. Apply that to information. He could be completely false, lying, or just misinformed and if we all act upon it without question, we would find ourselves looking pretty stupid.

[GS4Gurl]

I also can see it from Camri's side. No, I am not gullable to take what everything someone says as the truth.

See, -what if- this is story is someones extremely mean way to get revenge on someone. Like if Trevorwhatever logs in to the game next week and people are taking this ooc info and start trying to deed his character. While he may be totally innocent and oblivious of what was posted here. (Note: I am NOT saying that is what is happening now. I'm saying that its possible something like that could happen.) Like Leloo mentioned. Say I hate some character in GS... I search the internet for a horrible story and then post that the player of that hated character did a horrible thing.


In my earlier post I am referring to the wake up call on how it is good that we are reminded that people shouldnt be trusted. Not referring to those allegedly involved in that horrible crime.

[Edited on 11-7-2003 by GS4Gurl]

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Blackroses

Hmm Hulkie-poo

seems like you are bashing on Camri for something that happened IG and because she got the best of you there you now feel the need to bash on her here for something totally understandable.. Had i seen this post earlier i would have questioned it as well .. Now knowing that this freak played GS is a scary thing and that one of his victims did as well .. thats very very scary. You in fact are the pety person to be bringing something against Camri that happened IG to these boards which is totally shown by the manner in which you speak to her here. Get a life and grow up.

I think you should have some chicken for dinner.. Maybe if we are lucky you will choke on a chicken bone and DIE !!!!

It has nothing to do with ingame disputes.. I don't even remember the last time I fought with her ingame. What reason do you have for accusing me of this? I already gave you numerous reasons for why I was telling her to shut the fuck up, and they were all valid.

Seems to me you need to grow up, since obviously you have a problem with me because of an ingame incident, seeing as how I've never talked to you before... And you're wishing death upon me for telling someone other then yourself to shutup? I don't think so, you're obviously just a hypocrite that takes Gemstone too seriously.

[Edited on 11-7-2003 by Hulkein]

[Betheny]

Oh my god, I used to let that guy call me. He wanted me to go visit him, but my bad-guy sensor went off.

Oh my god, that freaks me out........

[Betheny]

He told me about his son, and he told me that he was a registered sex offender because he had sex with underage girls. The freaky thing about it is, he was honest, and I didn't believe it at first, but in the end when he started calling me and demanding that I visit him and demanding phone sex and the like, I changed my phone number. The man is more than just disturbed. This thread scares me.

[Kurili]

Yeah, he was always after my AIM, and wanting to know where I lived, if I was single..and generally, I'm pretty friendly. It's just one of those things I knew I didnt want to tell him anything personal. And I didnt.

Yes, I remember Travus.

Acolyte Kurili

[GSLeloo]

What scary is not all people he spoke to were probably old enough to get the vibe that something was off. Some may have given him information or chosen to meet him.

[EmpressBtch]

I can't remember if its already been said, but regardless of whether it happened....its a reminder that you never really know a person.

I had a neighbor at one time....really nice guy, kept his yard up, offer to shovel snow. Turns out when I looked up my zip code on the sex offender registry (I don't know if everyone's state has one they can access) he was a pedophile.

[peam]

Hopefully prison will treat him justly.

[Kurili]

What scary is not all people he spoke to were probably old enough to get the vibe that something was off. Some may have given him information or chosen to meet him.
********



Good point. And there are SO MANY young minors in GS. And there are some sick people playing as well. Yep...who knows how many not just this guy, but others who could be possibly just as bad, met? And kids can be hurt by a lot of things. Phone calls could be just as harmful mentally and emotionally too.

It is good to be very careful with your personal info.


Acolyte Kurili

[GSLeloo]

I don't always worry about it too much because I come from a town where it's like... stereotypical small town, no crime, feels pretty safe. We sleep with the doors unlocked and my dad is 6'3, my brother 6'4, and we have a big dog so I just don't really feel in danger in my house. Which is funny since the moment I leave the house I feel vulnerable.

Where was I going with this...

[Blackroses]

Originally posted by Hulkein

Originally posted by Blackroses

Hmm Hulkie-poo

seems like you are bashing on Camri for something that happened IG and because she got the best of you there you now feel the need to bash on her here for something totally understandable.. Had i seen this post earlier i would have questioned it as well .. Now knowing that this freak played GS is a scary thing and that one of his victims did as well .. thats very very scary. You in fact are the pety person to be bringing something against Camri that happened IG to these boards which is totally shown by the manner in which you speak to her here. Get a life and grow up.

I think you should have some chicken for dinner.. Maybe if we are lucky you will choke on a chicken bone and DIE !!!!

It has nothing to do with ingame disputes.. I don't even remember the last time I fought with her ingame. What reason do you have for accusing me of this? I already gave you numerous reasons for why I was telling her to shut the fuck up, and they were all valid.

Seems to me you need to grow up, since obviously you have a problem with me because of an ingame incident, seeing as how I've never talked to you before... And you're wishing death upon me for telling someone other then yourself to shutup? I don't think so, you're obviously just a hypocrite that takes Gemstone too seriously.

[Edited on 11-7-2003 by Hulkein]


Umm no and i was there when you decided to run your mouth at the boulder and you got your ass handed to you on a platter with a nice side of whoop ass.. SO little one it isnt me that brings IG disputes here i have nothing against you i have never been rude to you until you jump down someone's throat for having a VALID reason to question that person .. You are not any better than any of us , And no Im not wishing death upon you for telling someone other than me to shut the fuck up.. Im wishing it upon you to rid the world of sorry homophobic's like yourself.


Yes.. I believe i will cook you some chicken myself....Mmmmm Chicken bones


edited because i dont want to make you cry :spin:

[Edited on 11-7-2003 by Blackroses]

[Weedmage Princess]

I appreciate the point COTN is trying to make...and he (or she) is right. You need to be super careful in your dealings with people on the internet.

HOWEVER...I will say I absolutely *hate* when people come on the boards (or go anywhere) saying "so and so did this...you know this character? Well here...click on this link and read the news articule, that's him or her." ..and the reason we should believe it? "I know said person, I was their good friend. They confessed to me."

I'm not saying that's what COTN did (nor am I saying COTN didn't do that either, cause hey, I don't know the person at all...and find it interesting that this is one of the person's first posts on these boards..heh) but I am saying that while the point made was good...let's keep in mind that it works the same in ALL situations. You have to use your better judgement and common sense before deciding someone is trustworthy or not...that goes for giving them your personal information and establishing any type of friendship...or believing everything they tell you as fact.

BTW: Isn't Travus the same character that was featured in uh...one of the Klaive orgy logs that was being passed around a couple of months back?

[HarmNone]

Ummm...yes, Weedie, he is (or was...whatever).

I believe I remember Travus from several years ago, just before I left the game. He was making a pain in the arse of himself with one of my characters, as well. He was not easy to discourage, if I remember correctly; however, I never gave out any personal information. It just is not prudent.

HarmNone avoids people who get too pushy

[Caiylania]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
But if his point was to help people, it was a noble idea. Imagine if there was someone walking around GS, searching for kids around 14, meeting them, and killing them. I know it's extreme, but I'd rather someone tried to remind people that it's still not really safe.

The scary thing is, we would never know if this is happening or not. Parents would just be cancelling the account, not knowing the link to the killer is through the net.

People come and go all the time, who is to know why they never come back?

[Weedmage Princess]

Heh I thought so.

The only reason I remember is because of the affect it had on Tayre. It was disturbing.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Blackroses
Umm no and i was there when you decided to run your mouth at the boulder and you got your ass handed to you on a platter with a nice side of whoop ass.. SO little one it isnt me that brings IG disputes here i have nothing against you i have never been rude to you until you jump down someone's throat for having a VALID reason to question that person .. You are not any better than any of us , And no Im not wishing death upon you for telling someone other than me to shut the fuck up.. Im wishing it upon you to rid the world of sorry homophobic's like yourself.


Yes.. I believe i will cook you some chicken myself....Mmmmm Chicken bones


edited because i dont want to make you cry :spin:

[Edited on 11-7-2003 by Blackroses]

You just admitted that you dislike me because of an ingame dispute, read the BOLDED part of your quote. You actually managed to contradict yourself in one sentence. Nice job! Dumbass.

[GSLeloo]

Exactly that is what's scary, we would never know if there was someone killing people from GS because no one would ever draw the conclusions. What detective would look to see that the similarity in each case was that they all played the same video game? They would blame it on the internet but never find the true source.

[GSLeloo]

By the way, Hulkein, Blackroses may have gone a bit wild but she was proving a valid point. I can't really remember knowing you that well but that I see is suddenly you telling Camri to shut the fuck up. And yes that is an attack because if you wished to stop you could say in nice, polite terms such as "You are wrong so could you please stop attacking ____ for trying to help us?" Instead you chose to make what you said rather nasty and put anyone on the defensive against you. If a guy said that to me iRL I would smack him so it leaves me to believe you had a reason to out of nowhere say such a thing to Camri.

[Hulkein]

Yeah I had a reason to say that out of no where, she was annoying me with her 10 questions in the thread, than when the guy writes an essay to prove it (after he already proved it through other responses) she says 'Oh, well YOU SHOULDVE SAID THAT FIRST.' No, he didn't have to say that first, you're wrong, stfu Camri and say 'ok, thanks for looking out man.' That's what pissed me off enough to tell her to shut her fucking mouth.

[Edited on 11-7-2003 by Hulkein]

[Weedmage Princess]

Maybe I missed something but where did he prove it was really him?

[Blackroses]

Originally posted by Hulkein

Originally posted by Blackroses
Umm no and i was there when you decided to run your mouth at the boulder and you got your ass handed to you on a platter with a nice side of whoop ass.. SO little one it isnt me that brings IG disputes here i have nothing against you i have never been rude to you until you jump down someone's throat for having a VALID reason to question that person .. You are not any better than any of us , And no Im not wishing death upon you for telling someone other than me to shut the fuck up.. Im wishing it upon you to rid the world of sorry homophobic's like yourself.


Yes.. I believe i will cook you some chicken myself....Mmmmm Chicken bones


edited because i dont want to make you cry :spin:

[Edited on 11-7-2003 by Blackroses]

You just admitted that you dislike me because of an ingame dispute, read the BOLDED part of your quote. You actually managed to contradict yourself in one sentence. Nice job! Dumbass.


I know what i said .. I was simply pointing out ...THAT YOU DONT LIKE CAMRI BECAUSE YOU ARE A SMALL MINDED PERSON .. also notice i didnt jump your ass until you started in on Camri .. which by the looks of things is only because you dont like her IG.. I didnt start in on you for no apprent reason , I stood up for someone that you are having an issue with .. If you cant see that then YOU dear are the DUMBASS !

[Blackroses]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Yeah I had a reason to say that out of no where, she was annoying me with her 10 questions in the thread, than when the guy writes an essay to prove it (after he already proved it through other responses) she says 'Oh, well YOU SHOULDVE SAID THAT FIRST.' No, he didn't have to say that first, you're wrong, stfu Camri and say 'ok, thanks for looking out man.' That's what pissed me off enough to tell her to shut her fucking mouth.

[Edited on 11-7-2003 by Hulkein]


So much anger for such a narrow minded person.. makes me think he really should consider getting laid once in a while to relieve some of his Anger !!:spin:

[Creature of the Night]

I have read all your replies and have come to the same conclusion that I stated before, take what you will from this or not. Believe or not. Again, that is your decision. Freedom of thought allows this.

There are those out there that will read and know it is the truth and will shudder with the experiences they have had with him. I think it is those people I had hoped to contact and to reach with this message. For those he hurt in the lands and IRL.

There are those that will read and think it is all junk and/or some strange vindictive act. It doesn't really matter to me which you choose to believe. I will live with what has transpired and the knowledge that, while yes I did the right thing, I mourn the loss of my friend.

The "proving" thing is something I choose not to do. I will not expose my true identity. Lest it lead to in game harassment and the like. Consider, I am already being harassed here in this forum, what my character's life would be like in the lands. Already my character as a person is being put to the question here, I have no desire to have my GS character subjected to the same treatment.

Believers, non-believers, I truly wish you all the best.

Thank you for your replies good and bad. I bid ye all good night.

[Blackroses]

Originally posted by Creature of the Night
I have read all your replies and have come to the same conclusion that I stated before, take what you will from this or not. Believe or not. Again, that is your decision. Freedom of thought allows this.

There are those out there that will read and know it is the truth and will shudder with the experiences they have had with him. I think it is those people I had hoped to contact and to reach with this message. For those he hurt in the lands and IRL.

There are those that will read and think it is all junk and/or some strange vindictive act. It doesn't really matter to me which you choose to believe. I will live with what has transpired and the knowledge that, while yes I did the right thing, I mourn the loss of my friend.

The "proving" thing is something I choose not to do. I will not expose my true identity. Lest it lead to in game harassment and the like. Consider, I am already being harassed here in this forum, what my character's life would be like in the lands. Already my character as a person is being put to the question here, I have no desire to have my GS character subjected to the same treatment.

Believers, non-believers, I truly wish you all the best.

Thank you for your replies good and bad. I bid ye all good night.


Thank you for the warning and i think you did a noble thing by standing up and testifying . Bless you . < Hugs >

[GSLeloo]

Hulkein, Camri was doing a good job. She was trying to find the truth and make sure that it was the truth. She was being a logical person, not some blind believer of whatever they are told. Yes, he should have stated all that in the beginning and no, his essay did not prove he is 100% telling the truth. Give me a half hour and I will write a horror story about Hulkein and how he eats children and how we should all worry cause he is in game. The point is, anyone can write fiction and Camri wanted to make sure what we were being told was not a story. Instead you were purposely rude so I do believe you owe her an apology.

[Blackroses]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Hulkein, Camri was doing a good job. She was trying to find the truth and make sure that it was the truth. She was being a logical person, not some blind believer of whatever they are told. Yes, he should have stated all that in the beginning and no, his essay did not prove he is 100% telling the truth. Give me a half hour and I will write a horror story about Hulkein and how he eats children and how we should all worry cause he is in game. The point is, anyone can write fiction and Camri wanted to make sure what we were being told was not a story. Instead you were purposely rude so I do believe you owe her an apology.

Problem being Leloo .. narrow minded people like him dont apologise . its not in their mentality.. That is why i suggest Chicken bones ! a sure fire way to rid of us his blabbering about nothing important and while he is choking and turning blue , Maybe if we are lucky enough he will see the light and start anew..

:: Is doubtful that he could become a better person , But is always Hopeful.. when all else fails give him a chicken bone to knaw on ::

[Betheny]

I don't even know what you're arguing about, but it's annoying the piss out of me. So do yourselves a favor and don't make an already crabby Maimara want to shove oddly shaped objects up your ass. Thanks.

[GSLeloo]

We're arguing about the fact that he was rude to Camri for speaking her mind and trying to make sure what we were being told was the truth.

[Blackroses]

Originally posted by Maimara
I don't even know what you're arguing about, but it's annoying the piss out of me. So do yourselves a favor and don't make an already crabby Maimara want to shove oddly shaped objects up your ass. Thanks.

Maimara ...Look at what this is about .. and then if you open your crabby eyes you will see .. If you read what he said to Camri . it was needlessly said. he said it to be a cocksucker. Now.. theres no need to be a bitch about all this.. Leloo and I are simply stating the obvious to him . he needs a lesson ..I think maybe your oddly shaped objects should go up his ass .

[Betheny]

I'm saying this to be a cocksucker: Shut the fuck up or get a bottle of Ocean Spray White Cranberry-Strawberry right up the pooper.

:D

[Tendarian]

Or if its so annoying to read just skip the thread.

[Moist Happenings]

Maimara, I just have one thing to say. I don't like you.

Two things to say.
Go to hell.
No, three.
You're just trying to provoke people now, and you're an idiot for it. -1000 points.

[Betheny]

I don't really give a shit, but I think you guys are taking yourselves way too seriously.

[Blackroses]

Originally posted by Maimara
I'm saying this to be a cocksucker: Shut the fuck up or get a bottle of Ocean Spray White Cranberry-Strawberry right up the pooper.

:D

Pull your crobar out of your ass Maimara. You are jumping in here and you dont even know what flava the Kool aid is.

You admitted you didnt know what the fight was about.... So stop being a total bitch and get over yourself. Let people continue what was being said without your interuption.. it was all fine and dandy without you and will contine to do just fine without your BITCH ASS remarks .

[GSLeloo]

You didn't need to tell us you were saying that to be a cocksucker, it was rather obvious without the notice.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Blackroses
Pull your crobar out of your ass Maimara. You are jumping in here and you dont even know what flava the Kool aid is.

You admitted you didnt know what the fight was about.... So stop being a total bitch and get over yourself. Let people continue what was being said without your interuption.. it was all fine and dandy without you and will contine to do just fine without your BITCH ASS remarks .

Oh dang let me just go kill myself now.

Oh wait no. Fuck you. Thanks.

[Moist Happenings]

Speaking of annoying to read, Maimara, you're cluttering up this thread will bullshit. Everyone else that posted here had a valid point or was responding to something that was said here except for you.

[Blackroses]

Originally posted by Maimara
[quote][i]Originally posted by Blackroses
Oh dang let me just go kill myself now.

Oh wait no. Fuck you. Thanks.


Umm no thanks anyhoo...Im simply stating that you walk into this thread into the middle of a conversation that had NOTHING to do with you , but yet for some reason you think that it did.. Maybe you should stop swinging the crobar and dropping it on your head ?? I never told you to go kill yourself i simply dont think you need to be such a CUNT all the time. get over yourself and umm no i have better things to fuck than you .

[GSLeloo]

Ok Maimara, did you want to start a fight? You knew your comment was going to start one and that is not what this thread was about. We were thanking him for giving us a reminder of the horrors that can happen while at the same time giving it reasonable doubt until we had solid proof. Then we were asking Hulkein to apologize to Camri for an obviously rude comment that was unnecessary and now you are doing the exact same thing.

[Moist Happenings]

Originally posted by Blackroses

Originally posted by Maimara
[quote][i]Originally posted by Blackroses
Oh dang let me just go kill myself now.

Oh wait no. Fuck you. Thanks.


Umm no thanks anyhoo...Im simply stating that you walk into this thread into the middle of a conversation that had NOTHING to do with you , but yet for some reason you think that it did.. Maybe you should stop swinging the crobar and dropping it on your head ?? I never told you to go kill yourself i simply dont think you need to be such a CUNT all the time. get over yourself and umm no i have better things to fuck than you .

Bahahahahahaha! Kittens give Morbo gas.

[AkMan]

Originally posted by Neff
Speaking of annoying to read, Maimara, you're cluttering up this thread will bullshit. Everyone else that posted here had a valid point or was responding to something that was said here except for you.

Um. Yeah. Everyone else had valid points. This has turned into a flame fest between 3 or 4 people. How about trying to get back on topic.

[Moist Happenings]

...FLAME AKMAN!

I mean, yeah, let's get back on topic.

Seriously though: I'd say that online game players are much more likely to be the kinds of people that you don't want to associate with. I'm by no means saying that any of the people on gemstone are. It's just that i'd say they're more probable to be.

[GSLeloo]

Yes back on topic... I was actually reading up on the serial killer Albert Fish (I believe that's what his name was) and although that happened in the 1920's, I can so see it happening again and men like him using the internet and things like Gemstone to get the children he wants.

(In case anyone doesn't know, Albert Fish, nicknamed the Grey Man, killed children and ate them because he had a "Taste for human flesh" apparently...)

[Camri]

Akman is right.

Hulkien and I will never like each other. We will always exchange insults. Yelling at him for being a dumbass will not change the fact that he is one.

Maimara has always been a bitch. It's been pointed out to her numerous times. Pointing it out more is not going to change her.

So lets get back to the original subject.

Creature Of the Night posted about Travus. Regardless of whether what he posted is legitimate or not, the subject can lead to some very interesting conversation.

I'm curious to know if anyone else knows, or has known of someone that played GS, who turned out to be some kind of stalker, or serial killer or something.

I have a friend who had to change characters, and basically disappear, because she got twisted up with a guy that started stalking her in real life.

[Caiylania]

I've been ranting at one friend of mine, who is married RL, who married a guy IG with one of her Chars. No big deal I guess, well he got mad because one of her other souls married someone. He wanted all her chars to be with him or no one. She ended up rolling up SEVEN more just to be with him. Now he calls her at home > She's married!! And she just doesn't get he is crossing a very real line.

She won't tell me his name, or I would have someone kick his ass.

[Camri]

Originally posted by Caiylania
I've been ranting at one friend of mine, who is married RL, who married a guy IG with one of her Chars. No big deal I guess, well he got mad because one of her other souls married someone. He wanted all her chars to be with him or no one. She ended up rolling up SEVEN more just to be with him. Now he calls her at home > She's married!! And she just doesn't get he is crossing a very real line.

She won't tell me his name, or I would have someone kick his ass.

That's the kind of obsessive stuff that I don't understand how people let themselves get into.

I can understand if the people are married, etc. in real life. But anything beyond that is just a game, and nobody has the right to make demands of you or any of your other characters.

The guy my friend got involved with, started freaking out if her character talked to other male characters in the game. He tried to forbid her to have other characters. Then as a topper, he started trying to get her address by calling random places in her area, asking people if they knew her.

[Blackroses]

Originally posted by Caiylania
I've been ranting at one friend of mine, who is married RL, who married a guy IG with one of her Chars. No big deal I guess, well he got mad because one of her other souls married someone. He wanted all her chars to be with him or no one. She ended up rolling up SEVEN more just to be with him. Now he calls her at home > She's married!! And she just doesn't get he is crossing a very real line.

She won't tell me his name, or I would have someone kick his ass.


I am married IRL and my char is about to marry someone IG and i have talked to him on the phone . He is VERY sweet and my RL hubby knows i have talked to him . Granted it was only for GS wedding alters that we talked but still. I have talked to him.

BUT heres one.. My RL ex and I use to play GS many years back and i came home from work one day to find him talking to his GS wife on the phone .. it was cool for a little while until i found out he was planning on meeting her and he told her i was his SISTER !! so yeah umm i dumped him and he went off to be with her only to come crawling back to me telling me he was sorry . I guess all those pics she had sent him in his email weren't of her but of someone else. She wouldnt stop calling and i had to change my number twice and then she even went so far as to fly here and show up at my door she got really pissed when i told her he wasnt my brother , and that he didnt live with me anymore. Last i heard she found someone else IG and they are together. I dunno .. Damn freaks !!

[Bestatte]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
We're arguing about the fact that he was rude to Camri for speaking her mind and trying to make sure what we were being told was the truth.

So fucking what? I mean come on, this thread isn't about you, or Camri, or Hulkein. Has it ever occurred to either of you that SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR PETTY SQUABBLES?

Jeez give it a fucking rest for chrissakes and take it to AIM or PM or whatever little chatroom you folks use.

Back to the subject (yeah you three, there really is one and guess what - it has nothing to do with you!):

I was also suspicious about the person who started this thread. It reminded me of a really bad situation a couple of years back on the official forums. Someone posted saying that they were the player's relative or buddy, and that the player had died in real life.

The forum became swarmed with condolences, people arranged memorial services in and out of the game, offered to send flowers and money, the whole she-bang. Even the staff members were involved in wishing the family well and peace after the loss of their sister or daughter or whoever it was.

Turned out to be a total hoax. The person who "died" apparently was just being an idiot and wanted attention so made the whole damned thing up.

It pissed off the entire community, including staff.

So I can definitely understand why people would wonder about Creature's claim that the article was about a GS player. It doesn't mean I doubt the truth to it, it just makes me understanding of why people are hesitant to believe peoples' claims.

Having read a few posts from people who've interacted with this Travus person though I'd say it's not all that unlikely that it's true. If it isn't true, then the player of Travus sounds like a sick puppy anyway, so there's no harm done regardless, and only a very strong reminder to be careful who you give out personal information to on the internet.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Bestatte

It reminded me of a really bad situation a couple of years back on the official forums. Someone posted saying that they were the player's relative or buddy, and that the player had died in real life.



That the same guy who supposedly died in the WTC?

Hmm, after reading it again, seems like he was Dragonrealms, but still a big story.

http://elonka.com/mirrors/CFT/coverstory.html

[Bestatte]

That wasn't the first time it's happened Wezas. There was some chick who everyone thought was dead because their "mother" posted a note on the boards a few years ago. I was still playing back then, but I can't remember the circumstances. I think it was a car accident that never happened.

[GSLeloo]

Hmm.. car accident was it maybe um.. Nadine? I know my brother knew her, it was before I started playing, and said she died in a car accident but he wasn't sure it was true or not.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Blackroses
I know what i said .. I was simply pointing out ...THAT YOU DONT LIKE CAMRI BECAUSE YOU ARE A SMALL MINDED PERSON .. also notice i didnt jump your ass until you started in on Camri .. which by the looks of things is only because you dont like her IG.. I didnt start in on you for no apprent reason , I stood up for someone that you are having an issue with .. If you cant see that then YOU dear are the DUMBASS !

Nope, it's obvious you have animosity from an ingame fight, I'm sorry not everyone is able to differentiate between game and message boards, oh well.

I would've said what I did to anybody, I don't even dislike Camri IG. Take a hike.

EDIT: Just read everyone's post, seeing as we're back on topic, I won't respond again off topic.


[Edited on 11-7-2003 by Hulkein]

[Rowi]

I Hate Michigan!!! always have always will!

[Killer Kitten]

I knew Kurt/Travus, I remember spending two or three weeks of often irrational phone conversations when the girlfriend broke up with him. I was trying to talk him out of A. Shooting himself, B. Shooting her, and C. Shooting the guy. I was not successful.

The whole crime was a waste. A waste of Kurt's life, a waste of the life of the young man that died, and a waste of the very traumatized young woman involved.

Creature's player had to make the horrible decision to 'betray' somebody who was a friend, but to any thinking and feeling human being there was no choice about what to do. Friend or not, one cannot allow a person that dangerous and unstable to escape justice or to remain free to menace and perhaps kill other innocent people who are really just looking for a friend.

Creature was also very traumatized by the whole experience. Imagine meeting somebody, becoming fast friends, and then realizing that this person you have come to care for is dangerous and must be stopped, and in order to stop him you have to sit in a courtroom facing him and tell the world things that you were told in confidence. Imagine the fear that this person might actually beat the system (a la OJ) and show up at your door to exact revenge on you and your loved ones.

My hat is off to Creature, for having the courage to follow through and literally face the fear. And to have the grace to use this dreadful experience to try warning other fantasy game players about the very real predators that stalk our imaginary world.

Kimm, Tilone's player

[Blackroses]

Originally posted by Hulkein
[quote]Originally posted by Blackroses

Nope, it's obvious you have animosity from an ingame fight, I'm sorry not everyone is able to differentiate between game and message boards, oh well.

I would've said what I did to anybody, I don't even dislike Camri IG. Take a hike.

EDIT: Just read everyone's post, seeing as we're back on topic, I won't respond again off topic.


[Edited on 11-7-2003 by Hulkein]

Thats right we are .. SO im not even going to bother with you ....

And Kitten .. yes i totally can see how that would be a hard thing to do . I myself have sat at a trial and spoke to the jury. It isnt easy and i could only imagine how much harder it would be if you had to talk about a friend.. :: shudder:: my heart goes out to Creature for standing up and doing the right thing...You did do the right thing Creature .. dont let anyone tell you diffrent.