Holocaust Archive Going Public [Archive] - The Gemstone IV Players' Corner

Mighty Nikkisaurus

11-19-2006, 07:58 AM

"This vast archive — 16 miles of files in six nondescript buildings in a German spa town — contains the fullest records of Nazi persecutions in existence. But because of concerns about the victims’ privacy, the ITS has kept the files closed to the public for half a century, doling out information in minimal amounts to survivors or their descendants on a strict need-to-know basis.

This policy, which has generated much ill-feeling among Holocaust survivors and researchers, is about to change."

Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15791203/

Sean of the Thread

11-19-2006, 08:26 AM

The Holocaust is a myth.

Parkbandit

11-19-2006, 08:28 AM

It never happened.

Parkbandit

11-19-2006, 08:29 AM

Shit.. I forgot the italics.

:(

xtc

11-20-2006, 10:39 AM

I guess with the Survivors dying off, they have decided enough time has past to make the records public.

PB, Sean2, if you travel to Germany you can now be arrested.

Parkbandit

11-20-2006, 12:35 PM

I guess with the Survivors dying off, they have decided enough time has past to make the records public.

PB, Sean2, if you travel to Germany you can now be arrested.

Hey, who was it that said it was a government conspiracy and cover up? Wasn't that you xtc?

I can't remember.. it was a while back.

Nieninque

11-20-2006, 12:55 PM

I have some photos somewhere of a visit I made to Auschwitz. I will upload them when I get time/the inclination.

Horrific place, the likes of which I have only seen matched by the American visitors to Auschwitz, shouting the likes of "HEY CYNTHIA...GET A PHOTO OF ME NEXT TO THIS GAS CHAMBER!"

Gan

11-20-2006, 12:57 PM

The Holocost is a huge lie! Just like landing on the Moon!!!

Can we hug now?

xtc

11-20-2006, 01:06 PM

Hey, who was it that said it was a government conspiracy and cover up? Wasn't that you xtc?

I can't remember.. it was a while back.

Not me, I am not a Holocaust denier.

Tisket

11-20-2006, 02:58 PM

Wow. Fifty million documents...the Nazis were pretty meticulous with record keeping. Hope it puts a sock in the deniers who pretend the Holocaust was a vast fantasy. And given the rise in anti-Semitism recently I think the opening of the archives is very timely.

Horrific place, the likes of which I have only seen matched by the American visitors to Auschwitz, shouting the likes of "HEY CYNTHIA...GET A PHOTO OF ME NEXT TO THIS GAS CHAMBER!"

It's fun to poke fun at the "ugly American" tourists. Truth is a bit different:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2137729.stm

Sean of the Thread

11-20-2006, 03:02 PM

Auschwitz was candly land compared to the ones out east.. Sobidor etc.

Some Rogue

11-20-2006, 03:51 PM

Nieninque

11-20-2006, 04:00 PM

It's fun to poke fun at the "ugly American" tourists. Truth is a bit different:

Whose truth is that?

My comment was based on my observations of Americans at Auschwitz who were saying "get a photo of me in front of this gas chamber" which I found utterly repulsive. Marginally more repulsive than the fact that the gas chambers ever existed.

Of course, we can now get into a slanging match about who has the worst tourists, but who the fuck cares?

I respect a lot of American people. None of which are you. None of which are the fat fuck that wanted his photo taken in front of a gas chamber at Auschwitz. GTFO.

ElanthianSiren

11-20-2006, 04:07 PM

Wasn't that Ben that claimed the holocaust never happened?

-M

CrystalTears

11-20-2006, 04:08 PM

It didn't have to be said though, so I can see why she may have taken offense to it. :shrug:

Wasn't that Ben that claimed the holocaust never happened?
It was whomever posted as Testosterone.

SpunGirl

11-20-2006, 04:17 PM

Wasn't Testosterone Peam's friend that randomly happened onto the boards, or am I thinking of someone else?

Anyway, the people who want to deny it ever happened cannot be convinced. They'll say that the records were only opened now to give them time to forge them. Whatever makes them feel better about being bastards, I guess.

-K

Sean of the Thread

11-20-2006, 04:25 PM

Whose truth is that?

The BBC's truth evidently. You guys are a real class act... and they tip worse than Canadians.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/Japgross/nienisacunt.jpg

Sean

11-20-2006, 04:41 PM

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=2876

Tisket

11-20-2006, 04:50 PM

It didn't have to be said though, so I can see why she may have taken offense to it. :shrug:

Exactly. Every nation has it's poor representatives. Seemed unecessary to point out that the putz at the concentration camp just happened to be American...

Parkbandit

11-20-2006, 05:00 PM

Whose truth is that?

My comment was based on my observations of Americans at Auschwitz who were saying "get a photo of me in front of this gas chamber" which I found utterly repulsive. Marginally more repulsive than the fact that the gas chambers ever existed.

Of course, we can now get into a slanging match about who has the worst tourists, but who the fuck cares?

I respect a lot of American people. None of which are you. None of which are the fat fuck that wanted his photo taken in front of a gas chamber at Auschwitz. GTFO.

You are more repulsed about a guy who wanted to have his pic taken in front of the gas chambers than the actual gas chambers and their use.

Fantastic.

TheEschaton

11-20-2006, 05:14 PM

I don't know, I feel like every time I go abroad, some American is doing something insanely idiotic, and I feel embarassed to be American, so I pretend I'm canadian.

-TheE-

Sean of the Thread

11-20-2006, 05:17 PM

If I was an idiotic dumbass liberal American I'd pretend to be something else too.

Tisket

11-20-2006, 05:18 PM

I don't know, I feel like every time I go abroad, some American is doing something insanely idiotic, and I feel embarassed to be American, so I pretend I'm canadian.

Aren't you used to being unliked by now? Oh and:

Americans were judged the most courteous and the British the rudest, alongside the Russians and Canadians.

Parkbandit

11-20-2006, 07:24 PM

I don't know, I feel like every time I go abroad, some American is doing something insanely idiotic, and I feel embarassed to be American, so I pretend I'm canadian.

-TheE-

That's funny.. everytime you post here, I pretend your canadian too.

Skeeter

11-20-2006, 10:53 PM

I don't know, I feel like every time I go abroad, some American is doing something insanely idiotic, and I feel embarassed to be American, so I pretend I'm canadian.

-TheE-

I'm still hoping we can get you under the patriot act. If it looks like a terrorist, smells like a terrorist, and posts like a terrorist....

Back

11-20-2006, 10:56 PM

I'm still hoping we can get you under the patriot act. If it looks like a terrorist, smells like a terrorist, and posts like a terrorist....

Red States don’t travel. Thats why Blue states have the majority now.

WE ARE EMBARRASSED BY YOU AND WE TELL EVERYONE ABOUT HOW STUPID YOU ARE.

Daniel

11-20-2006, 11:10 PM

I'm still hoping we can get you under the patriot act. If it looks like a terrorist, smells like a terrorist, and posts like a terrorist....

How the fuck does TheE act like a terrorist? It's retarded shit like this that gets us into shit.

TheEschaton

11-20-2006, 11:54 PM

Well, I am brown, and have a beard, Daniel. ;)

And I don't care what that study says - Americans abroad are obnoxious. British may be snooty, but Americans expect the world to be laid at their feet when they're on vacation, and if it's not, there'll be hell to pay in a loud manner. If Americans are the "nicest" in any way, I'd imagine it would be in parting with their money. That bit about "willing to try other indigenous habits or cultures" is so false about Americans it makes me mildly ill. Americans are the most xenophobic people in the so-called Western Civilization.

And PB, every time you post, I pretend you're Rush Limbaugh, so I can throw more darts at the picture I have on you on my wall.

-TheE-

Keller

11-21-2006, 12:51 AM

That bit about "willing to try other indigenous habits or cultures" is so false about Americans it makes me mildly ill. Americans are the most xenophobic people in the so-called Western Civilization.

No, it's the French. I love Paris, France, and Frenchmen -- but they are the single-most xenophobic people in the west.

Tisket

11-21-2006, 06:04 AM

And I don't care what that study says - Americans abroad are obnoxious. British may be snooty, but Americans expect the world to be laid at their feet when they're on vacation, and if it's not, there'll be hell to pay in a loud manner. If Americans are the "nicest" in any way, I'd imagine it would be in parting with their money. That bit about "willing to try other indigenous habits or cultures" is so false about Americans it makes me mildly ill. Americans are the most xenophobic people in the so-called Western Civilization.

Yes...the BBC is known for lying and exaggeration...

Anyway, the thing about American bashing that is disturbing is that it's risk free. It's almost a populist sport (so much so that some people seem surprised when others are offended). After all, you can't go around making sweeping generalizations about gays, women, blacks, asians, etc. But Americans are fair game. So go ahead...make a sweeping generalization about 300 MILLION people. I'm sure there will be some ignorant fools that will buy into it. Probably the same fools that deny the Holocaust...

By the way TheE, I know you like to style yourself a great thinker and philosopher, however, what is usually most apparent when you post is your hostility and anger. You should see someone about that...

Nieninque

11-21-2006, 06:39 AM

Yes...the BBC is known for lying and exaggeration...

Lrn2read.

The BBC reported the survey. The survey was conducted by some online travel organisation.

I dont doubt that Brits are arseholes on holiday, it doesnt however change anything I said.

Anyway, the thing about American bashing that is disturbing is that it's risk free. It's almost a populist sport (so much so that some people seem surprised when others are offended). After all, you can't go around making sweeping generalizations about gays, women, blacks, asians, etc. But Americans are fair game. So go ahead...make a sweeping generalization about 300 MILLION people. I'm sure there will be some ignorant fools that will buy into it. Probably the same fools that deny the Holocaust...

And yet I made an observation about the American Visitors to the concentration camp when I was there. No generalisations, no prejudice. No assumptions made about anyone else otherthan the pricks who were acting like it was Disneyland.

And yes, PB. I find it disgusting that people saw it as a good day out and were acting like it was some kind of amusement park, when all I could feel was numb, all the way around. People who trivialise something horrendous, are worse in my eyes than the thing itself, albeit an awful thing.

Tisket

11-21-2006, 07:12 AM

And yet I made an observation about the American Visitors to the concentration camp when I was there. No generalisations, no prejudice. No assumptions made about anyone else otherthan the pricks who were acting like it was Disneyland.

Tell me, if the person at the concentration camp was black would you have qualified your statement to include that information? I think you are being disingenuous.

Nieninque

11-21-2006, 07:14 AM

Tell me, if the person at the concentration camp was black would you have qualified your statement to include that information?

Probably not.

QQ

PEEPLZ R BEYING MEEN ABOWT US AMERIKNZ

Nieninque

11-21-2006, 07:16 AM

He was also fat and ugly, but I didnt include those either.

Tisket

11-21-2006, 07:17 AM

BRITS ARE STUFFED SHIRTS WITH BAD TEETH!!!11

Nieninque

11-21-2006, 07:25 AM

And?

Tisket

11-21-2006, 07:37 AM

And?

Dunno, it was the best I could come up with since I am unskilled in insulting an entire country of people. I'll work on that...

Nieninque

11-21-2006, 07:38 AM

You are too sensitive, or too egocentric. I'm not sure which.

HarmNone

11-21-2006, 07:58 AM

This thread is NOT about tourists. It's not about xenophobia. It's about the release of the details of the Holocaust being made public. Get back on topic. Further off-topic posts will be removed.

Mighty Nikkisaurus

11-22-2006, 02:16 AM

I know some people deny the Holocaust.. which is fine. It's perfectly within their right to do so. I don't take offense to it really more so I pity them for not accepting history as it was. You can accept that the Holocaust happened and was a terrible thing and still not think that the US and other countries should just blindly support anything Israel does. It's not that black and white to everyone.

All together this development of the Holocaust Archive going public isn't to try and "convince" those who don't believe that it did happen.. because that's a moot point and they'll likely never change their opinion on it. However, this is a great tool for families who would like to know what happened to their loved ones before it gets to be too late and too muddled. I think this is great more on a personal level for the millions of families who deserve to know what happened beyond just numbers.

Ignot

11-22-2006, 07:54 PM

I know some people deny the Holocaust.. which is fine. It's perfectly within their right to do so.

So is this how history repeats itself? Next thing you know they won't be teaching it in schools anymore.

Sean of the Thread

11-22-2006, 07:56 PM

She's intelligent isn't she.

CrystalTears

11-22-2006, 08:08 PM

Sure, and people can deny that the world is round too. It's perfectly within their right. It's also within my right to think they're whack jobs.

Back

11-22-2006, 08:10 PM

Sure, and people can deny that the world is round too. It's perfectly within their right. It's also within my right to think they're whack jobs.

I <3 U.

Parkbandit

11-22-2006, 09:21 PM

I know some people deny the Holocaust.. which is fine. It's perfectly within their right to do so.

Holy shit..

It's not an opinion.. so it's not within their right to do so. It's a fact which is based upon hundreds of thousands of eye witnesses, physical evidence and a mountain of other supporting documentation.

It's like saying I deny the earth is round.

Ignot

11-22-2006, 11:20 PM

1+1 = 3

it's my right bitches!

TheEschaton

11-22-2006, 11:46 PM

Parkbandit

11-23-2006, 12:19 AM

Well, it's like the right wing nuts. It's their right to believe the world was created in 7 days, exactly as it is now, and evolution is bullshit.

The hope is that reason and rationality drown out the babblings of a misled few.

-TheE-

Actually.. and this is coming from a stout atheist.. I don't believe you can actually prove that the world wasn't created in 7 days... or prove evolution.

I'm there with you.. but it's not quite the same thing.

You can prove the earth is round. You can prove that the holocaust happened. You can't prove that the earth wasn't created by the hand of some alien we call God.

Mighty Nikkisaurus

11-23-2006, 02:35 AM

I never said you couldn't say or think that people who deny the Holocaust aren't fucking retards.

I think they're fucking retards, and judging by the fact that I obviously believe in the Holocaust and care about the families, I'm not like OMG HE MAY BE RIGHT. Someone HAVING a right and BEING right are two different things.

It IS your right to say or think that the world is flat, that the Holocaust never happened, that your statue of liberty constructed entirely of toothpaste, plastic fork tines, and carrots has the face of the Virgin Mary and should run for President, or what the hell ever. And it is other people's right to laugh their ass off and call you psycho!

Seriously, wtf is up with people on these forums being all I LOVE AMERICA AND I LOVE FREEDOM in one post but so fucking anti-free speech when someone doesn't freak out over someone else saying something stupid. Someone saying and REALLY believing their cat is a Sith Lord that will rule the world is not only legal but it's a prime example of what's awesome about our very freedom to say a lot of what we want-- you'll always have something to laugh about, if nothing else.

Even if something is proven it doesn't mean you have to believe it or pretend you believe it. It just makes you a dumbass for NOT. That's all.

Skirmisher

11-23-2006, 04:03 AM

You can prove the earth is round.

Well, not really.

Ignot

11-23-2006, 08:11 AM

This thread is making me angry.

Latrinsorm

11-23-2006, 11:06 AM

Well, not really.I can, actually. I can prove that the earth is spinning with a pendulum and a laser, and by doing that in a bunch of places I can prove that the earth is round-ish (certainly not flat, anyway). It's a consequence of deriving Newton's laws in a non-inertial (that is, accelerating) reference frame. A rotating reference frame is the classic example of an accelerating reference frame, so there you go. :)

Stanley Burrell

11-23-2006, 12:00 PM

Someone saying and REALLY believing their cat is a Sith Lord that will rule the world is not only legal but it's a prime example of what's awesome about our very freedom to say a lot of what we want.

I would totally be best friends with such an individual, granted that I had my powers of Jedi clairovoyancy flaring up that particular day and could make sure that they wouldn't secretly try and make voodoo dolls out of my organs in my sleep.