GM Conspiracy:Can it be done?

[Boris]

I was just wondering, looking at how well Tsin does in GS (what is it 200k in 3 years?)... Couldn't a GM (who don't get paid btw) with perhaps a 1 week window generate a ton of uber items give them to player ABC and have them slowly launder the items out for real life cash?

It's far more complicated then this of course, they would need a real tricky system. Maybe, track down 20 exisiting (semi unique) items and duplicate 10 each. If any of the other GMs caught this GM and decided to take the items they wouldn't know which item was fabricated or genuine? Plus players can sell this out over a 1 year period. Anyhow, how would you do it if you had the chance?

[StrayRogue]

I'm sure it's happened before, and I'm sure there are safeguards in place now.

[Celephais]

I'm sure it's happened before, and I'm sure there are safeguards in place now.

And I'm sure they are inadequate if someone enterprising or in the right position decided to abuse it.

... Just don't put a decimal place in the wrong spot or you'll end up in PMITA Prison

[Tyrael]

I've known a few situations where a player has received favorable items and information for real world 'favors' to a game master. This was about 4 years ago but I'm sure this happens on a regular basis.

[SpunGirl]

From my limited knowledge, there's a pretty elaborate system of checks and notations done when anything is created, not just uber items. There are all kinds of things a GM can see about any item, who created it, when it was done, special properties, bla bla, that aren't visible to players. Some of it may be tinker-able, but I'd bet the day/time of creation would not be. That alone would make duped uber items distinguisable from the originals.

-K

[Warriorbird]

It has happened before. It may happen again. I'm pretty sure they can nab it through tracking though.

[Celephais]

There are plenty of ways for a GM to swing a very profitable advantage towards a player character other than just creating items. (at least some) GMs can see the info on critter random treasure spawns, making it so they could tip off a player on the current best critter loot. Those "private" merchants that show up un-announced and it just so happens so-and-so wandered into them.

The rule is, there is always someone smarter than you (edit:not personal you, general you) that will figure out how to exploit what you missed.... there are holes, someone will find them. If they are an honest person who finds them or not is another question.

[TheEschaton]

They can also look at the treasure queues and give someone an advantage on getting the unique-ish items.

-TheE-

[zhelas]

Last year during i think it was Ebons gate, I heard that one of the free items was sellable. I heard the guy made millions. He got greedy and they eventually caught him. To me that is extremely weird that out of all the free drinks, candy etc that someone knew where to look.

[Artha]

He made a post about it here - he accidentally sold it when emptying out his backpack, or saw it on the table or something.

[Dwarven Empath]

I would think, that if a GM wanted to....Put a 100 million coins in someones bank acct, then let that person sell the coins on ebay.

Then repeat when those coins were sold. Then repeat over and over and over and over and over...forever.

Why make weapons, Db stuff, or anything else when silvers get sold very quickly?

Just a thought.

Medi...

[StrayRogue]

Why make coins and not weapons? Because I'm sure just making coins will raise as many flags or alarms as would be done if you made weapons.

[SpunGirl]

Because they track large transfers of coins.

-K

[Apathy]

Yes, it can be done.

Is Tsin doing it? Highly doubt it.

[Asha]

There's massive rules lists now for each GM who isn't Khaladon.
Although It's well documented shit like this has happened before, like Stray said.

[Jinsem]

Because they track large transfers of coins.
-K

How do I say it... Ah... I'm sure most of us would be amazed at what amount the silver tracking starts at.

Jinsem

[Asha]

Revised. Creating silver or ANYTHING is likely to be under xtreme scrutiny.
I'd say creating even one coin, alter or script line would be QC'ed or flagged in some way.

If you mean the simple transferrance of coins between characters, then that's insane. No definately not, ever.

[Stabbyrogue]

Elb guessed who my other char was just by looking at who I gave the most coins to, so it's tracked. As far as flags, who knows. I also know Elbrion just got fired for "Shady" practices.

[StrayRogue]

Heh, I wasn't going to mention Elbrion.

[Sean of the Thread]

Details

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Details

Yes plz.

[Asha]

GMs are just as fallable as we are. You get power, you help you pals.
You get fired.

I liked Elbrion becouse I thought he was a girl with a beard. See ya.

[ELO]

I liked him too.

It's too bad he got mixed up with who he got mixed up with. That player doesn't give a shit about anyone else other than himself, and I'm sure he didn't bat an eye when he found out Elbrion got canned.

[Skirmisher]

Yeesh, either say what happened and with who or dont say anything.

The teasers are becoming tired.

[Tisket]

If I was a GM and had an opportunity to help old friends out you betcha I'd totally do that. Good thing I'm not a GM. NEPOTISM FTW!

[Boris]

There's probably one way you can do this and not get caught. IF there isn't a limit on the amount of silvers a GM can create in a given period of time,the GM can generate 500 billion silvers and deposit silvers randomly across 500 bank accounts (with amounts varying in each account).

Beforehand, there 2 or 3 accounts that are accomplices with the GM, they know when the "drop" is going to be made (and get credited with the higher amounts of course...although they won't be the only ones to be credited with high amounts) and will therefore be ready to grab every single high end item they can possibly find right when their accounts are credited.

The trick is that eventually the rest of the 498 accounts or so will log on and do the same thing (but they A.) Won't get the choicest items B.) Will have to worry about massive inflation due to the other accounts with credited silver.)
The idea is this, eventually (probably within a couple of days) the scheme will be sniffed out. But by that time you have to ask yourselves what can the GMs do?

First SIMU is a business so retracting all those silvers due to the "bank error" will be difficult and piss off a lot of customers. This is further complicated because much of the silvers have already traded hands and people who's items have already been legitmately sold will be really pissed if this would happen. Secondly, the initial 2-3 accomplice buyers are protected. It's impossible to know if they were accomplices or just innocent bystanders that got lucky and also they are protected from any inflationary threats because all their assets are in equipment.(which the amount of have not been touched in any way). They let the dust settle and hole up for about 6 months until the market stabilizes. Then they begin unloading slowly throughout the course of a year. Then share the profits, wait 5 minutes, and enjoy!

[StrayRogue]

There's probably one way you can do this and not get caught. IF there isn't a limit on the amount of silvers a GM can create in a given period of time,the GM can generate 500 billion silvers and deposit silvers randomly across 500 bank accounts (with amounts varying in each account).

There will be a limit, and creating silvers, just like anything else, will run through flags and checks.



First SIMU is a business so retracting all those silvers due to the "bank error" will be difficult and piss off a lot of customers. This is further complicated because much of the silvers have already traded hands and people who's items have already been legitmately sold will be really pissed if this would happen.

In the past, when scams have happened, the GMs have had no problem confiscating EVERYTHING from EVERYONE.

[Boris]

In the past, when scams have happened, the GMs have had no problem confiscating EVERYTHING from EVERYONE.

Even if this means a hundred people quitting? I don't think so.

[StrayRogue]

100 people wouldn't quit. Do you seriously think most people would quit if there were A) mysteriously given free silver and then B) asked to give it back due to a bug/abuse?

Heck, I imagine people would VOLUNTEER to give up the coinage in fear that if they got caught using it, they'd be involved in the scam itself.

[Tolwynn]

Simu hasn't had a problem pulling items or forcing change when they sold items (mithril claidhs, 7x shields, 1 lb. cloaks, etc.) by mistake off the shelf - they're certainly not going to hesitate for something a lot worse than that.

[SpunGirl]

The random deposit thing won't work. I say this because I have had GMs credit silver to my account exactly once. It was something like 125k from GM Jharra, AKA Gloummerick, for book sales. I got a SEND saying "125000 silvers have been deposited into your landing bank account," or something like that, but the point is that it appeared automated. It is my understanding that all SENDs echo to all GMs online, so any deposit of that nature, and you'd have to have everyone in on it.

-K

[septus]

yeah, I know plenty of stuff used to happen..but the only thing I've seen lately of GMs doing the abusing powers/favoratism is telling people via ims where/when they're doing merchanting. Oh, and also the giving of auction item lists/properties out to friends.

Not sure what happened with Elbrion. Anyone willing to PM me in on it?

I've been given silvers and exp from gms for various reasons, and you get a message. I'm sure that's logged. Not sure how much would be logged if a gm created an item off the ground.

The only thing I can really see that they can easily get away with is RPAs and maybe SGMs giving stuff. (I had to get about 30 items restored from a cash..and they had to be made from scratch..so an SGM made them for me..think it was Banthis)