Price check...out of curiosity

[Stretch]

Race: Human Profession: Rogue (shown as: Adventurer)
Gender: Male Age: 36 Expr: 9155829 Level: 100
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Constitution (CON): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Agility (AGI): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Discipline (DIS): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Aura (AUR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Logic (LOG): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Intuition (INT): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Wisdom (WIS): 74 (12) ... 74 (12)
Influence (INF): 64 (7) ... 64 (7)
Mana: 55 Silver: 24

You are wearing a heavy silver chain, a crystal amulet, a dark grey longcoat, a golden key tattoo, a tiny bloodjewel stud in the upper ridge of his left ear, an elk-horn longbow, a roomy suede pack embossed with the Wavedancer outline, some regal deep golden plate, a wiregrass bracelet, a gold ring, a golden key-clasped belt, a solid steel keyring, a silver locksmith kit, a rosin-stained bow tuning kit, a small locksmith's anklepouch and some shadowy black leather boots.


Armor Use..........................| 240 140 140
Combat Maneuvers...................| 209 109 112 ASAP (will rise when points are available)
Ranged Weapons.....................| 302 202 202
Ambush.............................| 302 202 202
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 50 10 10
Physical Fitness...................| 201 101 101
Dodging............................| 403 303 303
Arcane Symbols.....................| 120 30 30
Magic Item Use.....................| 120 30 30
Harness Power......................| 78 17 17
Disarming Traps....................| 370 270 270
Picking Locks......................| 403 303 303
Stalking and Hiding................| 302 202 202
Perception.........................| 302 202 202
Climbing...........................| 105 25 25
Swimming...........................| 150 50 50
Pickpocketing......................| 126 33.738 0 10 days, 5 hours, 54 minutes

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 6 6
Training Points: 0 Phy 7 Mnt (264 Mnt converted to Phy)

Most difficult lock picked: -1370
Most difficult trap disarmed: -480

You are a Grandmaster of the Rogue Guild.
You are current with your dues and must check in again sometime in the next 27 days.
You currently have 372 ranks out of a possible 372 for your training.

You are a Master of Sweep.

You are a Master of Subdue.

You are a Master of Stun Maneuvers.

You are a Master of Lock Mastery.

You are a Master of Cheap Shot.

You are a Master of Rogue Gambits.

Self-cast DS (406 and 401)

A rolton tries to bite you!
AS: +36 vs DS: +393 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +20 = -330
A clean miss.

You nock a faewood arrow in your elk-horn longbow.
You fire an arrow at a rolton!
AS: +501 vs DS: +5 with AvD: +25 + d100 roll: +17 = +538
... and hit for 215 points of damage!
Strike to the eye penetrates skull, ocular fluid sprays widely!
The rolton collapses to the ground, emits a final bleat, and dies.
The arrow sticks in a rolton's right eye!
Roundtime: 3 sec.

A kobold swings a short sword at you!
AS: +26 vs DS: +664 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +46 = -585
A clean miss.

[Gan]

I would hazard at guess that the minimum should be $500.00 US.

I dont see it going beyond the $800.00 range, since the overall utility value is somewhat limited; unless a specific buyer with a high level of disposable income happens to be in the market for such a character/profession.

Its interesting that you're considering such a move...
I've also been considering what I would get for my capped empath since my playing time is becomming less and less as well. Not to mention that the time I do have to play I'd rather work with my rogue or wizard. :(

[Artha]

You guys should both start playing WoW.

[Stretch]

You know what's kind of depressing?

I got about 8.5M of that EXP, and around 360/372 of those guild ranks. Figuring conservatively (constant 25 exp per pulse) and 2 hours per guild rank...that's 6,000+ hours.

That's five years playing three hours a day.

...and I didn't even play my first, third or fourth year in college.

Yikes.

[Gan]

You guys should both start playing WoW.

I actually liked WoW, and still have my account (on hold). I just dont have the time. Did not have the time when I was playing, and dont see me having the time, anytime soon.

Life, work, and my soon to be 4 year old son occupy my time more and more nowdays. My only respite is of late has been posting here, because I can do it while at work, or when I actually have a moment to myself in the evenings/early mornings.

[Gan]

You know what's kind of depressing?

I got about 8.5M of that EXP, and around 360/372 of those guild ranks. Figuring conservatively (constant 25 exp per pulse) and 2 hours per guild rank...that's 6,000+ hours.

That's five years playing three hours a day.

...and I didn't even play my first, third or fourth year in college.

Yikes.

Yea, that does sound depressing.

I've been playing since 98. I've raised several characters past 50, and Ganalon will be my first cap if I have the time to get him there.

I really dont want to sit down and tally up all the experience I've earned and the time it took to get it in my 8 years; the only thing of comfort is that when I finally push the terminate button I'll be able to get a little money back to buy something cool at Fry's with.

[Artha]

I just dont have the time.
You play GS, WoW's way more friendly to the casual player IMO. Until you hit the raiding wall, anyway.

[Gan]

You play GS, WoW's way more friendly to the casual player IMO. Until you hit the raiding wall, anyway.

Thats what I was mostly whining about. I couldnt sit down for 2 to 3 solid hours, uninterupted, to play.

With GS, I can hide/hit a table, restmode, and I can step away. Especially if all I'm doing is grinding OTF or lockmastery reps. Since Emeredan knows I script hunt my wizard, I dont script while afk anymore. :(

Not to mention for now I'm getting a better ROI on GS than I would on WoW with regards to time invested.

This week alone I think I've played a collective 2.5 hours in GS, and its definately not been uninterupted.

[Sean of the Thread]

You guys should have been sorcs or wizards.

[crazymage]

Capped rogues sell fine.

[Daniel]

Captain Obvious saves the day once again.

[StrayRogue]

You play GS, WoW's way more friendly to the casual player IMO.

Yes. If you don't care about getting any decent gear or if you're in a pug guild or if you don't care about doing any worthwhile raids or if you don't care about PvP rank or if you don't care about actually achieving anything but cap in the game whatsoever.

WoW isn't about the trip to level 60. It's all about what happens when you hit the cap.

[Axhinde]

Stray is right. While getting to 60 (the first time) can be fun, the game really only starts once you start raiding ZG/BWL/MC. To even stay competitive in BGs (minus AV) you'll need some epics with no green pieces. I was considering trying out the expansion but I am undecided.

To stay on topic, I couldn't imagine a capped Rogue would be on the market for long, especially with capped or close to capped guild skills.

[AestheticDeath]

Mine still hasnt sold.

[jpatter123]

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I've also been considering what I would get for my capped empath :(


bottom line char prices are in the toilet...capped empaths however are a top sell right now..Good utility value and unbelievable hunters at 100. Top two most wanted char classes that I see are bards and paths, based on the offers that I have seen come in lately.

[Gan]

bottom line char prices are in the toilet...capped empaths however are a top sell right now..Good utility value and unbelievable hunters at 100. Top two most wanted char classes that I see are bards and paths, based on the offers that I have seen come in lately.

Thats good to know. Whats the most you've seen one (capped empath) go for?

[Lassiter 506]

Thats good to know. Whats the most you've seen one (capped empath) go for?

After bone shatter gets nerfed to hell... far less. no more 6 mana killing sprees.

[Gan]

?

After bone shatter gets nerfed to hell... far less. no more 6 mana killing sprees.

You speak as if this is truth. Care to provide details?

Note: I use 1106 about 50% of the time as it is. And with over 400 mana, its not that significant to a capped empath.

1110 with 3 cycles and 111 with flares FTW.

[Lassiter 506]

And I refer you to the goals list. 1115 will become the higher caliber attack spell, leaving 1106 far less effective at higher levels, and more effective at lower levels. Search the official boards. Estild's name should pop up.

[Gan]

Somehow I dont think this will effect the marketability for a capped empath, especially with their immunity to encumbrance as it relates to attack ability, utility of healing/rescuing/healing down while hunting, and significant power in existing offensive magic.

80 million silver would definately turn my head as an offer.

:whistle:

[Lassiter 506]

especially with their immunity to encumbrance as it relates to attack ability... significant power in existing offensive magic

This same logic applies for any other pure, as well as ranger archers.


utility of healing/rescuing/healing down while hunting

In this aspect, a train 30 empath would work as well. IMO, clerics, wizards, and sorcerers (in some grounds) are better at rescuing than empaths.

[Gan]

I love being able to do all the above, heal others on the fly, or myself, without RT or it interrupting my hunt since I can cast offensive spells with wounds that would normally disable another profession from using spells.

I think empaths have great marketability as an all around pure for hunting, non-hunting exp. gain, and treasure farming.

Allright, I'll stop hijacking Stretch's thread. Thanks for the info folks.

[Lassiter 506]

I'm not paying attention in class, so I'll crunch some figures.

IMO, wizards are better utility characters than empaths, for all of their helpful utility spells.

Also, capped clerics are superior utility characters than empaths. Here's a quick breakdown. My cleric is 1xed in blessing lore. Aside from the typical spiritual spells that an empath can cast, he also has several others.

Sustained:

303: +58DS stacked for 4 hours
307: 15AS/+15DS
310: +20DS/+20TD
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With running my cleric on a helper script to help my bard:

211: +15AS
215: +25 AS
219: +30 TD/+30 Bolt DS

Tallied up, for the entire duration of a single hunt with my bard, the cleric can offer a total of:

+55AS
+93 Physical & Ranged DS
+50 spirit TD
+123 Bolt DS

This, in addition to all of the other spiritual spells an empath can cast.

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Sorry for hijacking your thread Stretch. Last post from me.

[jpatter123]

capped empath can bring over 1k right now , when all other classes seem to be in the 600 to 800 range. If 1106 does get nerfed I imagine you would see a price drop but not horribly.Utility factor is still there from healing and the big bonus right now is to the adventurers guild via skinning and to a somewhat lesser degree foraging.
On the topic of 1106 ,I do think its an easy spell but its not that uber powerful. I don't see that many 1 hit crits with it even with a 500+ CS even on creatures as lows as 15 in full stance offensive , empty hand and channeling. Helped a buddy with some critters the other day level 12 and I had to cast 1106 twice in almost every instance. And then you get the shatter resitant creatures.

[Lassiter 506]

next to last...


On the topic of 1106 ,I do think its an easy spell but its not that uber powerful.

there's a reason why it's getting nerfed. it's a very very potent spell, that costs very very little. I'm quite surprised you aren't getting kills on level 15 (or 12, you mentioned both) creatures, as I've seen too many one shot kills in the rift and OTF alone to believe it.

As far as healing, a train 30 empath can do the job just as well. As far as skinning and foraging in the adventurer's guild, clerics do just as well, and rangers are better at both. If people are willing to fork over 1000 bones for a empath, that's there choice. Personally, I'd rather fork over 1K for a capped bard (as my bard is only halfway there) or locksmith, as those two offer a very real return.

[Gan]

It takes me more casts of 1106 to kill a kobold/rolton than it does an Ithzir cleric/adept/herald.

Level offset/endroll has no bearing on the spell's effectiveness.

[AestheticDeath]

It takes me more casts of 1106 to kill a kobold/rolton than it does an Ithzir cleric/adept/herald.

Level offset/endroll has no bearing on the spell's effectiveness.

That doesnt make sense. My 31 empath kills kobolds/roltons with one cast, no crits. Just pure HP loss. How can a capped empath not do the same?

1106 urgh
You focus your thoughts while chanting the mystical phrase for Bone Shatter...
Your spell is ready.
>
You gesture at an urgh.
You concentrate intently on an urgh, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward him!
CS: +154 - TD: +12 + CvA: +25 + d100: +30 == +197
Warding failed!
The urgh shudders with severe convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop his body.
The urgh is crushed for 65 points of damage!
The urgh collapses to the ground, emits a final squeal, and dies.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

1106 kob
You focus your thoughts while chanting the mystical phrase for Bone Shatter...
Your spell is ready.
>
You gesture at a kobold.
You concentrate intently on a kobold, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +154 - TD: +3 + CvA: +25 + d100: +16 == +192
Warding failed!
The internal skeletal structure of a kobold implodes inward upon itself, leaving behind no support for its body or life. The kobold falls to the ground in a lifeless mass of flesh and fractured bones.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
A kobold ambles in.
>
An urgh trots in!
>1106 kob
You focus your thoughts while chanting the mystical phrase for Bone Shatter...
Your spell is ready.
>
You gesture at a kobold.
You concentrate intently on a kobold, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +154 - TD: +3 + CvA: +25 + d100: +56 == +232
Warding failed!
The kobold shudders with severe convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop its body.
The kobold is crushed for 65 points of damage!
The kobold crumples to a heap on the ground and dies.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>prep 1106
You focus your thoughts while chanting the mystical phrase for Bone Shatter...
Your spell is ready.
>chan urgh
You channel at an urgh.
You concentrate intently on an urgh, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward her!
CS: +154 - TD: +12 + CvA: +25 + d100: +34 == +201
Warding failed!
The urgh shudders with severe convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop her body.
The urgh is crushed for 65 points of damage!
The urgh collapses to the ground, emits a final squeal, and dies.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
.

[jpatter123]

It takes me more casts of 1106 to kill a kobold/rolton than it does an Ithzir cleric/adept/herald.

Level offset/endroll has no bearing on the spell's effectiveness.

sshhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! no one needs to know how easy OTF is with boneshatter.

and yes you'll kill a kob with bloodloss but try creatures that have sick amounts of blood for there age and believe me its a different story. I'll put up some posts of level 15 'ish creatures tonight on the recieving end of boneshatter.

and bout buying a bard.. I listed that with the empath as top sellers.. if you can FIND a capped bard for sale get ready to hand over the wallet cause they don't come cheap. The bard I use is around 70 and he makes me an extra million a week just with 1004. Allthough its a tedious boring process even when scripting it.
Back to the topic at hand your rogue will still sell decent due to the fact rogues are just a pop profession to play. And I am sure someone can work out the equations of made money on just being able to pick there own boxes since the amount of rogues around illistim that are available and able to pick OTF boxes are hard to come by in off hours of the day.EDIT- not to mention I'd probably pay some serious coin just for someone to master all the guild skills for me since its the one thing I hate doing more then anything else.

[TheEschaton]

But everyone would know this character was some how related to preppy pretty boy Asians.

-TheE-