Darkstone Entrance now IMPOSSIBLE

[Things2Come]

BEFORE the change.

[D150=57 Modified=117]
You work the blade into the gap and with a final burst of strength, a natural fault in the rocky bottom gives way. A huge air bubble emerges from the crack, enveloping you and sucking you through with a sickening *WHOOSH*. You hear the stone slip back into place behind you.
After what seems an eternity, you are spit out of a lava tube and on to dry, hopefully safe, ground.
[Gorge, North Rim]
You notice a short sword and a rock ledge.
Obvious paths: southwest
Roundtime: 30 sec.


AFTER the change.

[D100=3 Modified=-15]
You work at the edges, but can't seem to get good enough leverage.
Roundtime: 30 sec.
Roundtime changed to 15 seconds.

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PURE's now appear to have an "impossible" modifier applied to prying the gap to enter Darkstone. If you were previously able to enter, you are now unable to enter.

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As far as it being a BUG?

Naos says, "The old puzzle was riddled with a few bugs, one of which caused some odd skills to be taken into consideration for success that weren't intended."

Naos says, "Most notably, your Shield Use ranks likely gave you an edge."

Naos says, "Swimming won't help you pry the gap open."

Naos says, "I just double checked the formula for success at prying the gap, and it hasn't changed..."

Naos says, "I looked over it one more time, and the success formula is identical to what it was before the change rolled in today."

Naos says, "So, I would wager to guess that any success you were having before now was a fluke, and likely the result of a bug."

Naos says, "Profession isn't considered when prying the game."

Naos says, "Er..the gap, rather."

Xxxx whispers, "It has become harder for magic users, my sorcerer has problems prying it...maybe strength has something ta do with it."

Naos says, "Well, I'm happy to inform you that the changes were only rolled in about an hour ago."

Naos says, "I don't see anything that isn't as it should be."

Naos says, "Puzzles requiring certain skills to surmount are not uncommon in GemStone, and without the appropriate training may well be insurmountable."

Naos says, "I plan on investigating the issue, but there is nothing to be done presently."

[Things2Come]

So... after doing some research on this new change...

I had a -18 Modifier, I gained 3 Edged Ranks, I now have a -15 Modifier.

It appears you need at least 19 ranks of Edge weapons to get a positive modifier to gain access into Darkstone.

If you're a runestaff user, you are now unable to enter darkstone.

I gained a rank of brawling, and it did not increase the modifier. Survival also makes no difference.

[Gan]

eh..

I hated that place anyway. Looks like its being made for [edged trained] squares or those who are voln masters.

[Things2Come]

It bothers me because there are two choices to hunt in the landing. Illoke (instant death) or Darkstone. Now one of those choices has been taken away without warning.

[Landrion]

Well that does kind of suck. Who needed another reason to avoid that shithole? Aside from which, what are you supposed to do when given adg tasks in there?

[Things2Come]

Had a 2x brawler try...

XXX whispers, "[D100=92 Modified=95]."
>
XXX whispers, "[D100=5 Modified=8]."

[Things2Come]

Physical Fitness also makes no difference.

[Landrion]

Had a 2x brawler try...

XXX whispers, "[D100=92 Modified=95]."
>
XXX whispers, "[D100=5 Modified=8]."

1x, that character is a cleric. But thanks for keeping his name confidential.

[fallenSaint]

swords are the only thing you can pry to get into it? what about prying with a weapon of said training?

[Praefection]

That also sucks ass since my rogue is an archer. It was a pain in the ass to get in before and now... bleh. I don't feel like moving from the Landing to hunt.

[Bobmuhthol]

Good thing my character that hunts in Darkstone is a Voln master.

[Merzbow]

I just posted on the officials on this, lend some support there:

http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=102&category=4&topic=54&message=1842

[Numbers]

[D100=74 Modified=128]

This was with a ranger who's 2x ranged, 2x brawl, zero ranks of edged, using a kobold short sword. Of course, I had two swords shatter on me first, and that's pretty rare.

[Landrion]

swords are the only thing you can pry to get into it? what about prying with a weapon of said training?


It wouldnt allow that brawler to use a Katar or Tiger claw. Im not sure what brawl weapon would allow you.

[AestheticDeath]

I assume they want you to use something longer than a brawling weapon, more substantial than an arrow etc.. Something that would actually give you some leverage.

As far as limiting it to training in edged weapons, as it appeared to be, before spidermans post, I think that would be stupid. Since its only a rock, being moved by an object using leverage - its not magical or hidden etc.. I dont see how they could take any skill checks into account. Wouldnt make sense to me.

Strength and constitution/swimming should be the only factors. With swimming most likely not factoring into the prying part. But if so, only to keep you alive, and not drown.

Personally I think its fucked up that you can get anywhere in the game with 30 ranks of climb/swim. Excepting Darkstone now.. perhaps.

[Landrion]

Hey Things2Come, I think I might know why youre coming up negative. If the damn thing is using edged weapons skill while you pry with a shortsword, it might very well be subtracting the penalty for elemental focus on you. Try the gap without it on.

Also, have you tried it with and without strength on?

[Amber]

My ranger

[D100=47 Modified=56]
You work at the edges, but can't seem to get good enough leverage.

[D100=23 Modified=32]
You work at the edges, but can't seem to get good enough leverage.

Broke two swords

[D100=79 Modified=88]
You work at the edges, but can't seem to get good enough leverage.
Roundtime: 30 sec.

FINALLY!!!
[D100=87 Modified=96]
You work the blade into the gap and with a final burst of strength, a natural fault in the rocky bottom gives way. A hude air bubble emerges from the crack, enveloping you and sucking you through with a sickening *WOOSH*. You hear the stone slip back into place behind you.

This bites. Anyway, she's got no edged weapons skills and did eventually make it, though I don't think getting here is worth this much trouble.

[Latrinsorm]

The plural of pure is pures. The possessive of pure is pure's.

There's clearly *something* besides edged training that helps, or 3704558 would have a much lower pre-roll number.

[ELO]

It bothers me because there are two choices to hunt in the landing. Illoke (instant death) or Darkstone. Now one of those choices has been taken away without warning.

Get used to it.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You kneel down.
K>pry gap with sword
[D100=14 Modified=-7]
You work at the edges, but can't seem to get good enough leverage.

Strength (STR): 99 (9) ... 99 (9)
Constitution (CON): 68 (19) ... 68 (19)
Dexterity (DEX): 95 (37) ... 95 (37)
Agility (AGI): 94 (32) ... 94 (32)
Discipline (DIS): 97 (18) ... 97 (18)
Aura (AUR): 100 (20) ... 105 (22)
Logic (LOG): 100 (30) ... 105 (32)
Intuition (INT): 95 (32) ... 95 (32)
Wisdom (WIS): 94 (22) ... 94 (22)
Influence (INF): 92 (16) ... 92 (16)


Tayvin (at level 86), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 20 4
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 25 5
Physical Fitness...................| 90 20
Arcane Symbols.....................| 276 176
Magic Item Use.....................| 276 176
Spell Aiming.......................| 276 176
Harness Power......................| 276 176
Elemental Mana Control.............| 188 88
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 105 25
Elemental Lore - Earth.............| 126 33
Elemental Lore - Fire..............| 120 30
Survival...........................| 132 36
Disarming Traps....................| 155 55
Picking Locks......................| 158 58
Perception.........................| 160 60
Climbing...........................| 130 35
Swimming...........................| 130 35

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Forgot to mention, it was 30 seconds of roundtime

[Daniel]

Basicly, you got pwnt.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

D100=41 Modified=97]
You work the blade into the gap and with a final burst of strength, a natural fault in the rocky bottom gives way. A hude air bubble emerges from the crack, enveloping you and sucking you through with a sickening *WOOSH*. You hear the stone slip back into place behind you.

After what seems like an eternity, you are spit out of a lava tub and on to dry, hopefully safe, land.

LVL 89 warrior with 158 ranks of edged

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You kneel down.
K>pry gap with sword
[D100=85 Modified=106]
You work the blade into the gap and with a final burst of strength, a natural fault in the rocky bottom gives way. A hude air bubble emerges from the crack, enveloping you and sucking you through with a sickening *WOOSH*. You hear the stone slip back into place behind you.
After what seems like an eternity, you are spit out of a lava tub and on to dry, hopefully safe, land.

LVL 52 warrior, 99 ranks edged

Mytmo (at level 52), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 240 140
Shield Use.........................| 150 50
Combat Maneuvers...................| 208 108
Edged Weapons......................| 199 99
Thrown Weapons.....................| 206 106
Physical Fitness...................| 208 108
Dodging............................| 208 108
Arcane Symbols.....................| 105 25
Magic Item Use.....................| 105 25
Harness Power......................| 40 8
Perception.........................| 208 108
Climbing...........................| 108 26
Swimming...........................| 25 5
Training Points: 0 Phy 60 Mnt (100 Mnt converted to Phy)
PsiNet has recorded your current skills.

Name: Mytmo Strykdafoe Race: Halfling Profession: Warrior (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 30 Expr: 2769345 Level: 52
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (10) ... 105 (12)
Constitution (CON): 100 (35) ... 105 (37)
Dexterity (DEX): 83 (31) ... 83 (31)
Agility (AGI): 78 (24) ... 78 (24)
Discipline (DIS): 83 (11) ... 83 (11)
Aura (AUR): 89 (14) ... 89 (14)
Logic (LOG): 76 (18) ... 76 (18)
Intuition (INT): 71 (20) ... 71 (20)
Wisdom (WIS): 50 (0) ... 50 (0)
Influence (INF): 93 (16) ... 93 (16)
Mana: 24 Silver: 1920

[Doyle Hargraves]

lol wow that's gotta be one of the most retarded "fixes" ever. I'd like to see what kind of reasoning they have for making that change, because we all know that only a skilled swordsman can pry a gap open.

[Renian]

This was Warden's doing.

[TheEschaton]

An 86th train mage can't get into a castle where the oldest creature is, what, 60? That's wicked retarded.

-TheE-

[Merzbow]

Naos just posted this:

"Ildran and I banged our heads together, and through his excellent insight, figured out where the issue was. I'm truly sorry for the inconvenience and general flipping-of-outs that this caused."

Seems to be saying that it's re-fixed (unfixed?) now. Anyone confirm? I'm in Illistim right now.

[AestheticDeath]

They didnt say what the problem supposedly was?

[Amber]

pry gap
[D100=68 Modified=146]
You work the blade into the gap and with a final burst of strength, a natural fault in the rocky bottom gives way. A hude air bubble emerges from the crack, enveloping you and sucking you through with a sickening *WOOSH*. You hear the stone slip back into place behind you.

Much better now. (other than that HUDE air bubble)

[HarmNone]

What's hude air? :thinking:

[Things2Come]

That was actually mentioned to him when the issue was originally brought up.

[Things2Come]

[D100=49 Modified=111]

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Now the only bad part to this whole change is fixing my darkstone entrance script since they changed all the messaging. Though I am happy that I can get in again.

[AestheticDeath]

So no one knows what the actual modifers are yet? Just that it works better now?

[Merzbow]

It's too much to ask GMs to run new messaging through a spell checker before making it go live?

[StrayRogue]

I don't think I'd bother with DS unless I was in Voln anyway. Too much trouble.

[Miss X]

It's too much to ask GMs to run new messaging through a spell checker before making it go live?



Nope, but like everything in life, mistakes happen. There are so many rooms/messages in Gemstone, it would be a minor miracle if there were no mistakes ever. There is a BUG TYPO feature that anyone can use though, so if you feel so strongly about it, do your bit and bug it.

[TheEschaton]

I think they probably forgot to roll in a level check thing.

-TheE-

[Asha]

Just forget Landing then. TI is where to be when stronghold is the only place in Landing you can hunt.
Plus you'll not miss the gen rate you had to endure in Darkstone.

[Latrinsorm]

An 86th train mage can't get into a castle where the oldest creature is, what, 60? That's wicked retarded.Equating level with age is retarded. Equating level with ability in everything is super wicked retarded.

lol @ pures' capacity for whinginating though.

[Some Rogue]

Equating level with age is retarded. Equating level with ability in everything is super wicked retarded.

lol @ pures' capacity for whinginating though.


Picking apart every little thing someone says when you know what they meant or correcting grammar is super retarded too.

[Latrinsorm]

I don't know where the grammar crack came from, but the age=level thing is never going to stop if people don't make an effort to stop it. If you agree that age=level is incorrect (which you must, if you are a rational being), then you must also agree that we owe it to ourselves to correct it. It's the same as any other mistaken definition.

[Gan]

Funny, when I hear someone, in game, ask what age I am I normally understand and equate that to meaning what level I am. I also consider it a noob fallacy, but not irrational.

[zhelas]

Meh, I hunt Darkstone, at 66 trains and I am a runestaff user. The failures to pry the gap didn't really bother me. I blamed the failures as not being properly trained for that physical work. After the second or third try I normally make it in. If a short sword shattered so be it. I normally carry two. Heck of alot easier than dying all the time in Stronghold.

[Some Rogue]

I don't know where the grammar crack came from


The plural of pure is pures. The possessive of pure is pure's.



I don't know, I must have pulled it from my ass. :smug:

[HarmNone]

:rofl:

[Gan]

Someone might need lend Latrin some toilette paper, it appears he's been playing in a dirty place.

[Some Rogue]

Someone might need lend Latrin some toilette paper, it appears he's been playing in a dirty place.


Are you implying something about my hygiene??:club:

:rofl:

[Gan]

Only if Latrin fancies himself as a gerbil?

:lol:

kekeke

yes, this has sunk to a new low.

[Siefer]

And the purpose of this change is what exactly? To piss people off and strip some variety from the game? These cock suckers have been doing this for years, will they ever stop? Shit just doesn't make any sense.

[Renian]

And the purpose of this change is what exactly? To piss people off and strip some variety from the game? These cock suckers have been doing this for years, will they ever stop? Shit just doesn't make any sense.

Way to not read? They fixed it.

[Ignot]

This was Warden's doing.


Another reason to hate him.

[Ignot]

And the purpose of this change is what exactly? To piss people off and strip some variety from the game? These cock suckers have been doing this for years, will they ever stop? Shit just doesn't make any sense.

Nobody complains better them GS players...