Efficient Murder.

[Bombadil]

I'm looking for a warrior build that can kill very fast (perhaps within 5 or 8 seconds) and can reproduce these kills regularly without the use of hiding/ambushing. I currently hunt the Rift, but am thinking about starting over. I currently swing a claidh/mattock but I need something that hits more regularly and with enough wham to hit a rank 9 crit. I usually need a 60 or above roll to achieve this using a mithril claid. Anyhow any advice would be welcomed.

[Soulpieced]

What you are doing currently is the only way you can swing a weapon and do what you "want" to achieve. You must be doing something wrong that your AS is too low to be able to get guaranteed stuns or kills.

[Stretch]

...you can't, not in 5-8 seconds. Even rogues need at least 6 seconds to insta-kill most shit (exception is dagger-to-the-eye for things in leathers and low DS).

Your best bet is to force something offensive and then smack the shit out of it. I'm guessing the best you'll be able to do is tackle, wait for it to stand and then smack it in the head. Warcrying shit to offensive doesn't seem to be a sustainable hunting method.

[Warriorbird]

Truehand. Lotsa stamina.

[Latrinsorm]

Knockdown, feint, swing.

You could also do knockdown, hurl head. This is tough to do with THW unless you're a giantkin, basically, but the way it slices through parry DS makes it really nasty. There are two main difficulties with thrown: you're not going to have any parry DS afterwards unless you train in brawl and bad guys can pick up your weapon. Parry DS is pretty negligible though, especially for the warrior paradigm. Wulfhen has been hurling his bonded weapon for months now and seems to be doing alright as far as weapon loss, so you'll probably be ok too. Just don't get cocky and hurl it when there's a good chance you'll die, because then it won't come back.

[Lucos]

[QUOTE=Stretch]...you can't, not in 5-8 seconds. Even rogues need at least 6 seconds to insta-kill most shit (exception is dagger-to-the-eye for things in leathers and low DS).
QUOTE]

Just wanted to mention that a well-trained rogue can easily kill shit with an ambush dagger-to-the-eye on most any armored opponent. Lucos crit-kills every Ithzir in OTF and all Illoke with eye-crits. Of course, with the Illoke he has to leg them due to their size, but I know that Ithzir Janissaries wear hauberk and they die so easy.

[Olanan]

Be cool. Be a warmage.

[Latrinsorm]

Daggers are actually pretty much the same vs. chain and vs. brig. The only real armor is plate.

[Jenisi]

Fuck warriors. Wizard, rapid fire 903 or 904 and bam, fried in less than a minute in most areas.

[Jenisi]

Case in point.

>time
Today is Restday, day 30 of the month Koaratos in the year 5106. It is 13:44 by the elven time standard. It is currently afternoon.
>
[Teras Isle, Fhorian Village]
The trees at the edge of the forest are singed, but still living. Though their limbs were blackened by the fire, tiny bursts of bright green shoots lend a sense of rejuvenation to these otherwise dreary surroundings. Peering further into the woods, you can see that the swath of destruction cut by the flames was mercifully stopped just south of here, leaving vast numbers of trees unharmed. You also see a mud wasp, a mud wasp and a warehouse.
Obvious paths: north, west
>ex
Level: 39 Deeds: 12
Experience: 1698840 Decays this level: 0
Exp. until next: 31160 Recent Deaths: 3
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 3979954
Physical TPs: 94 Mana: 175/175 max
(1150 Phy converted to Mnt)

Your mind is clear.

Your disk arrives, following you dutifully.
>
Your dancing fingers weave a web of protection around you!
>incant 515
You recite a series of mystical phrases while raising your hands, invoking Rapid Fire...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture.
You feel the magic surge through you.
(Your next spell will be re-prepared upon its casting.)
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
A mud wasp just arrived.
>
A mud wasp buzzes angrily about, but can't quite manage to sting you.
>
With blinding speed, a mud wasp buzzes around behind you and stings you in a vulnerable spot!
>incant 903
Your hands glow with power as you invoke the phrase for Minor Water...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +310 vs DS: +217 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +97 = +217
... and hit for 63 points of damage!
Strong blow to right leg breaks it!
The mud wasp is knocked to the ground!
The mud wasp is stunned!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>


You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +310 vs DS: +144 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +65 = +258
... and hit for 73 points of damage!
Massive blow to right hand crushing it to pulp!
The mud wasp totally ignores its missing leg, attacking with complete concentration.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.


You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +310 vs DS: +135 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +70 = +272
... and hit for 123 points of damage!
Blow to back crushes spinal column.
Talk about no backbone!
The mud wasp flutters its wings one last time and dies.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +310 vs DS: +217 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +76 = +196
... and hit for 52 points of damage!
Good blow to left leg!
The mud wasp is stunned!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
The mud wasp stumbles dazedly, somehow managing to evade the bolt!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +310 vs DS: +174 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +51 = +214
... and hit for 102 points of damage!
Strike to abdomen ruptures internal organs!
The mud wasp careens to the ground and crumples in a heap.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +310 vs DS: +217 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +80 = +200
... and hit for 47 points of damage!
Good blow to left arm!
The mud wasp is stunned!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +310 vs DS: +197 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +75 = +215
... and hit for 62 points of damage!
Good blow to back!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>


You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +310 vs DS: +191 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +19 = +165
... and hit for 39 points of damage!
Strong blow to back!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>incant 903



You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +310 vs DS: +185 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +58 = +210
... and hit for 70 points of damage!
Hard blow to temple scrambles brain!
The mud wasp careens to the ground and crumples in a heap.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

>loot
You search the mud wasp.
It had nothing else of value.
A mud wasp decays into compost.
>loot
You search the mud wasp.
It had nothing of interest.
A mud wasp decays into compost.
>loot
You search the mud wasp.
It had nothing else of value.
A mud wasp decays into compost.
>loot
Could not find a valid target to loot.
*moved*
>
With blinding speed, a mud wasp buzzes around behind you and stings you in a vulnerable spot!
>incant 903
You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +310 vs DS: +247 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +66 = +156
... and hit for 28 points of damage!
Nice blow to left arm!
The mud wasp is stunned!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
incant 903

You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +310 vs DS: +227 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +65 = +175
... and hit for 42 points of damage!
Strong blow to left arm breaks it!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>incant 903

You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +310 vs DS: +221 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +14 = +130
... and hit for 16 points of damage!
Strike glances off the chest.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>incant 903

You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +310 vs DS: +221 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +32 = +148
... and hit for 33 points of damage!
Nice blow to back!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>incant 903

You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +310 vs DS: +221 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +96 = +212
... and hit for 56 points of damage!
Blow to left eye destroys it!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>incant 903

incant 903

incant 903

Your disk arrives, following you dutifully.
>Sorry, you may only type ahead 1 command.
>
incant 903

You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +310 vs DS: +195 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +66 = +208
... and hit for 64 points of damage!
Massive blow removes the mud wasp's left forearm at the elbow!
The mud wasp totally ignores its missing leg, attacking with complete concentration.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +310 vs DS: +191 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +76 = +222
... and hit for 65 points of damage!
Hard blow to neck loosens head on shoulders.
Quite fatal!
The mud wasp careens to the ground and crumples in a heap.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>

>loot
You search the mud wasp.
It had nothing of interest.
A mud wasp decays into compost.
>n
>
Your disk arrives, following you dutifully.
>incant 903
You gesture at a siren lizard.
You hurl a stream of water at a siren lizard!
AS: +310 vs DS: +163 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +32 = +206
... and hit for 56 points of damage!
Good blow to right leg!
The siren lizard is stunned!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
incant 903

You gesture at a siren lizard.
You hurl a stream of water at a siren lizard!
AS: +310 vs DS: +121 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +39 = +255
... and hit for 77 points of damage!
Hard strike to right arm breaking tendons and bone!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>incant 903

You gesture at a siren lizard.
You hurl a stream of water at a siren lizard!
AS: +310 vs DS: +116 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +13 = +234
... and hit for 84 points of damage!
Hard blow to chest breaking ribs!
Hard to breathe!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>incant 903

You gesture at a siren lizard.
You hurl a stream of water at a siren lizard!
AS: +310 vs DS: +112 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +43 = +268
... and hit for 86 points of damage!
Hard strike to left leg breaking tendons and bone!
The siren lizard is knocked to the ground!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>incant 903

incant 903

You gesture at a siren lizard.
You hurl a stream of water at a siren lizard!
AS: +310 vs DS: +77 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +72 = +332
... and hit for 100 points of damage!
Strong blow to left arm breaks it!
The siren lizard hisses one last time and dies.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>You do not currently have a target.
>
You begin to feel a strange fatigue, spreading throughout your body.
>
* Rakisak just bit the dust!
>loot
You search the siren lizard.
It didn't carry any silver.
It had nothing of interest.
A siren lizard decays into compost.
>
Your disk arrives, following you dutifully.
>incant 903
You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +290 vs DS: +207 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +90 = +200
... and hit for 57 points of damage!
Strong blow to right leg breaks it!
The mud wasp is knocked to the ground!
The mud wasp is stunned!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
incant 903

You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +290 vs DS: +134 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +21 = +204
... and hit for 63 points of damage!
Massive blow removes the mud wasp's left forearm at the elbow!
The mud wasp totally ignores its missing leg, attacking with complete concentration.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>incant 903

You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +290 vs DS: +130 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +23 = +210
... and hit for 60 points of damage!
Hard strike to right arm breaking tendons and bone!
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>incant 903

incant 903

You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +290 vs DS: +125 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +73 = +265
... and hit for 95 points of damage!
Hard blow to the mud wasp's back causes it to cry out in pain!
The mud wasp flutters its wings one last time and dies.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>You do not currently have a target.
>loot
ex
>You search the mud wasp.
It had nothing else of value.
A mud wasp decays into compost.


>incant 903
You gesture at a mud wasp.
You hurl a stream of water at a mud wasp!
AS: +290 vs DS: +217 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +97 = +197
... and hit for 60 points of damage!
Strong shot to head messes up brain fatally.
The mud wasp careens to the ground and crumples in a heap.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
.
You do not currently have a target.
>loot
>
You search the mud wasp.
It had nothing of interest.
A mud wasp decays into compost.
>ex
>
Level: 39 Deeds: 12
Experience: 1698840 Decays this level: 0
Exp. until next: 31160 Recent Deaths: 3
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 3982721
Physical TPs: 94 Mana: 73/175 max
(1150 Phy converted to Mnt)

Your mind can't take much more of this! You must rest!
>time
Today is Restday, day 30 of the month Koaratos in the year 5106. It is 13:45 by the elven time standard. It is currently afternoon.

[AnticorRifling]

Rookie wizard tactic, I could do that 2-5x longer, do it faster, and with more crowd control. Learn to warmage.

As a warrior why wouldn't you feint for stance down and RT, tackle, brain the shit out of it with a big weapon?

[Latrinsorm]

Feint has a max of 8 seconds given to a monster target, so if you take out 3 for the feint and then 7 for tackle, it'll probably get up if you don't totally destroy it on the first shot. If you knockdown first and *then* feint, you'll have a good chance to get in another feint or swing if it gets a lucky EBP or something.

Also, unlike wizards, warriors don't generally feel the need to compensate for certain other shortcomings by awkwardly grasping the largest weapon availabe. A maul to the head is an extremely good way of killing something, but I'd rather use a dagger to the eye as I can probably get in two shots to a maul's one.

[StrayRogue]

Also, unlike wizards, warriors don't generally feel the need to compensate for certain other shortcomings by awkwardly grasping the largest weapon availabe. A maul to the head is an extremely good way of killing something, but I'd rather use a dagger to the eye as I can probably get in two shots to a maul's one.

Unless you're hasted.

And, if a dagger to the eye misses, you're a bit fucked. A maul to the head, even if it misses, will still fuck anyone up.

[Jenisi]

Why would I need to do it longer? I was fried, and still had plenty of mana. And if there were more I could have taken care of them just as easy. Any reason for the "grief" post?

[StrayRogue]

I think he meant that he could maintain the speed. Rapid Firing Cone or any other spell eats the mana pretty quick.

[Jenisi]

You can't do it faster, I have a 0 second rt. And depending on the spawn rate, I could fry as fast as I can press the auto re-enter.

[StrayRogue]

Yes, but he could do it a lot longer.

[Jenisi]

But I'm *fried* why the hell would I need to do it longer?

[VorpalBlade]

Warriors are a gimped class, they're like a retarded version of Rogues. Seriously, my pures can fry at a fraction of the time my warrior can and don't let the warrior advocates fool you either. The only reason why warriors were given berserk and all these defense enhancing benefits that are the "cool parts" of being a warrior is because they were so hopelessly broken.

Just do the math, in order to do what you propose you need to get a heavy hitting weapon like a claidh (btw Rogues can do this exact same hunting style, so this isn't really a "warrior" thing either) and aim for vitals (head, neck). So thats an 8 second RT swing for the average human warrior. First, if you hit theres no definite chance you will kill due to the wonderful randomization of crits (thanks Warden for gimping us!.... <Warden pops out> "My pleasure Timmy!" <Warden winks>) and Claidhs and other heavy weapons are notoriously difficult to aim (at least 60-80 or so ranks in Ambush for good reliable hitting). On average if you are lucky you will kill in 3 swings average from open with some occasional one hit kills. Thats about, I would say 20 seconds average killing time, and this is HARD RT.

A pure killing something of equal level can kill something in 6-9 seconds? With a sorc it almost never goes above 2 implosions. This is SOFT RT time. A rogue is even better at killing, (not being restricted to mana). Pack yourself some herbs to fix any minors and the like and hit the road for 2 hours at a time easy.

[Bobmuhthol]

Okay, I read your first sentence, VorpalBlade.

Shut the fuck up.

[Artha]

But I'm *fried* why the hell would I need to do it longer?

$$$

[Jenisi]

Can do that fine, usually hit up basalt flats and load up full on boxes before I run out of mana.

[Stretch]

Just wanted to mention that a well-trained rogue can easily kill shit with an ambush dagger-to-the-eye on most any armored opponent. Lucos crit-kills every Ithzir in OTF and all Illoke with eye-crits. Of course, with the Illoke he has to leg them due to their size, but I know that Ithzir Janissaries wear hauberk and they die so easy.

I was taking two seconds to hide into account ;)

I meant that it was easy to open ambush seers/initiates with a dagger.

[Latrinsorm]

And, if a dagger to the eye misses, you're a bit fucked. A maul to the head, even if it misses, will still fuck anyone up.I'm not so sure. Stuns seem pretty unreliable even by midgame. Unless a creature's actually in RT or fully dismembered, I don't really think it's safe to say it's incapacitated.
in order to do what you propose you need to get a heavy hitting weapon like a claidh Incorrect. I encourage you to look at the actual math rather than making statements like these.
if you hit theres no definite chance you will kill due to the wonderful randomization of crits It's actually pretty easy to get a guaranteed kill. Maul, rank 9 to the head. Or you could do estoc/rapier, rank 9 to the eye. Or you could do <insert ranged weapon here>, rank 9 to the eye. Or you could do twohanded spear (perhaps with hurling), rank 9 to the eye.

[Insodus]

Any reason for the "grief" post?

Most likely for posting "Fuck warriors" in a thread asking about warrior tactics.

[Skeeter]

you bumped a 2 month dead thread to take a stab at Jenisi?

I think I can speak for all the warriors when I say we're over it now.

[Drew]

Didn't Insodus date Jenisi in the past? Or was that someone else?

[Insodus]

Never dated, just good friends.

I wasn't stabing anything at her. I was bored at work and found the flow of this thread to be quite funny, so I thought I'd add my two cents.