Warrior Vs. Sorcerer.

[Lucas]

People say it's whoever gets off the first shot, quickest relfexes on keyboard and connection speed. But looking over the numbers although a warrior can prone and stun a sorcerer, I don't think (even if he gets the first shot) he can kill a sorc. This is mainly because there doesn't seem to be any CMANs which can outright kill (be used consistently to kill). Short of charge (which can kill outright, but only 20% chance of that).

[Asha]

Cman puts the target in hard RT. RT equals death against a like level.
And Christ another Vs thread..

[Bobmuhthol]

A prone, offensive, stunned sorcerer takes 1 hit to kill. Always.

[Celephais]

People say it's whoever gets off the first shot, quickest relfexes on keyboard and connection speed.

It still is, not every class instant kills with the first "shot", but that 1st shot should be enough to give you the time to do whatever else is needed to ensure victory.

[Drew]

Bearhug.

[Lucas]

A prone, offensive, stunned sorcerer takes 1 hit to kill. Always.

Elaborate on this, I've seen some sorcs get their DS into the 1000's. How is it possible to kill one even in a prone stunned state?

[Celephais]

A prone, offensive, stunned sorcerer takes 1 hit to kill. Always.

Elaborate on this, I've seen some sorcs get their DS into the 1000's. How is it possible to kill one even in a prone stunned state?

Lets see them get a DS in 1000's while in offensive.

Edit: And a warrior doesn't need to use an AS based attack on a proned stunned sorc... that sorc isn't dodging any manuevers.

[Artha]

Hamstring with a feras weapon.

[StrayRogue]

I doubt any sorcerer in the game today can get a DS of 1000. Definately not self-spelled.

[Gan]

410, or 435, or 110, and 720

All you need to know.

[Gan]

I doubt any sorcerer in the game today can get a DS of 1000. Definately not self-spelled.

Gob had a DS of ~1040 2 days ago when the spiders invaded Gyldamaer road by the barrier. And he's an empath. [He still got smoked by the spiders btw]

Having a DS over 1000 is doable. Just not self spelled.

[StrayRogue]

Don't empath have more uncapped DS spells, however? Plus he is nicely geared.

[Aaysia]

Cman puts the target in hard RT. RT equals death against a like level.
And Christ another Vs thread..

christ indeed >.<

[Gan]

No idea about his gear, only that he walked into the room glowing, and came out dead.

Having 20+ spiders jump on you at once with AS as high as 970 is not strategically sound, unless you're a GM.

[Fallen]

FoF would eat you alive. I had a strategy against them, though I went into the room without walls or wizard shield up and was nailed.

As for the Sorcerer/Warrior debate, it depends on how well spelled the sorcerer is while he is down, what type of gear is being used, and if the warrior fails to kill the sorcerer on the first hit.

I can generate a prone offensive DS of 600 without walls or wizard shield. However, most squares my age can generate a 600+ AS. The trick is to have good enough armor to not be killed on the first shot, and let your cloak have a chance to save your ass. Prone offensive is a bad place to be, and sometimes squares cant get you there in a hurry.

I believe yes, in normal circumstances, it boils down to who gets the first hit. However, sorcerers have the edge in finishing (Implode implode implode (Are you dead yet?) Implode), and in the possibility of surviving.

I have had a higher level Giant warrior try to beserk his way out of an focused implosion. He died.

[GS4Khistian]

I watched Mekthros and Perigourd go at it in the Ebon Gates festival pits. The game breaker for Warriors seemed to be that spin fist attack thing they have, hit a sorcerer enough times with that and they can't cast. Mekthros, of course, wasn't using implode though. I'm sure things would have ended rather shortly if he had.

[Asha]

Taking on a capped pally was a real bastard. I imploded them, they beseeched the stun, feinted me into next week.. end of story.
Whereas Perigourd took one cast of 720 to suck his eyes out of his head.

No clue wether it's due to their respective professions but both were cast the same and both ended differently.
I find it's more likely a paladin will cause sorcerers a problem. Can't do much they can't beseech out of and cman you to death.

[Apathy]

I just want to say Strayrogue has the best avatar I've ever seen.

Sorcerer > Warrior

[Bobmuhthol]

<<The game breaker for Warriors seemed to be that spin fist attack thing they have,>>

Being pretty knowledged in the area of warriors and abilities, I'm amazed at how confused I am by this description. Spin attack? Haymaker? Spin attack doesn't make any sense, and usually you don't get the opportunity to continuously haymaker a caster unless you get really low endrolls.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Whereas Perigourd took one cast of 720 to suck his eyes out of his head.>>

Perigourd is also a giant douche.

[Lysander]

Sorcerer will win all the time if he is competent and correctly spell'd up.... That is all.

[Stunseed]

< The game breaker for Warriors seemed to be that spin fist attack thing they have, hit a sorcerer enough times with that and they can't cast. >

Training in brawling + feras + haymaker = Sorc bane.

In the battle of who macros first, a Sorceror doesn't really need 720 to finish the job, a simple shot of mind jolt repeated until the muscles pop can carry you through. Anyone else with the CM training can feint lock a Sorceror, though a Warrior/Paladin/Bard has the best chance to crack the DS needed. A Ranger near level can utilize Spikethorn once the feint lock is in place.

Gear seems to be the determining factor for the slight margin of difference. As Evarin stated, it's is a much tougher nut to crack if a Sorc has 9x hcp breastplate of doom compared to robes. A warrior/paladin with MIU training can pump the TD to a decent amount, let alone cfocus and TD items.

Each profession has its good and bad.

[Lucas]

Actually, if headbutt can land and do decent damage (I don't know how much damage a headbutt does), you can headbutt the sorc to death.... anyone got headbutt?

[Bobmuhthol]

You really can't headbutt a sorcerer to death unless they let you. Ever.

[Lucas]

Is headbutt AS vs. DS? Or whats the deal with that?

[Bobmuhthol]

As far as I know, no CM has ever been or will ever be an attack that uses melee/ranged/otherwise AS/DS. Every CM either will work all the time, has a roll, or for most attacks, will use the CM attack/defense system. Headbutt gives a head injury provided the person does not have head protection, which people commonly do. Sometimes it has a sleep effect. It will never kill anyone other than through concussive damage (HP loss).

[Lucas]

It will never kill anyone other than through concussive damage (HP loss).

Yeah thats what I'm saying, headbutt also gives people stuns too. And you put on a flaring helmet and voila, you can nick away at the sorc and kill him that way. This is to bypass that insanely high DS (even when stunned,proned and in stance offensive).

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Yeah thats what I'm saying>>

That is the stupidest idea to kill someone EVER.

<<And you put on a flaring helmet and voila, you can nick away at the sorc and kill him that way.>>

If you like doing the most ineffective thing imaginable, go ahead.

<<This is to bypass that insanely high DS (even when stunned,proned and in stance offensive).>>

So, so many better ways to do that. Additionally, if you can't hit a stunned, proned, in-offensive-stance like-level sorcerer, you suck wicked, wicked badly.

[Lucas]

So, so many better ways to do that. Additionally, if you can't hit a stunned, proned, in-offensive-stance like-level sorcerer, you suck wicked, wicked badly.

Dude, sorc DS's can go up to 700 + fully spell'd up (with every spell imaginable) even proned,stunned, and in stance offensive. Warrior's can only get up that high with strength, blue crystal etc..

[Bobmuhthol]

You seem pretty confident in your argument, so I'm very concerned that you suggested repeated headbutts as a way to kill a sorcerer through HP loss.

[FinisWolf]

The head butt method ...

Analogy: I am going to stab him to death with my wooden matchstick that will break on the first thrust.

:gaze up:
:shake head:

Finis

[Fallen]

Once you get something a rank three headwound, you cannot headbutt it anymore. You may HP loss kill them before that point, but I doubt it.

[Olanan]

A disabled sorcerer = dead sorcerer.

[Lucas]

Was it rank 2 and up that disables spell casting?

[Artha]

I'm telling you, hamstring with a feras weapon = dead sorcerer. If somehow they're not dead, there's a pretty good chance the flare hit the limbs or nerve and in either case, they won't be casting.

[GS4Khistian]

<<The game breaker for Warriors seemed to be that spin fist attack thing they have,>>

Being pretty knowledged in the area of warriors and abilities, I'm amazed at how confused I am by this description. Spin attack? Haymaker? Spin attack doesn't make any sense, and usually you don't get the opportunity to continuously haymaker a caster unless you get really low endrolls.

Eh, I don't know jack about warriors. I just remember that it was a CMAN attack that would cause head wounds. Oh, It also could only be done if the opponent was standing. After Perigourd used it to win one round Mekthros just drop to the floor at the beginning of the next. Sorcerer ninjutsu anyone?

[Latrinsorm]

Haha, Mekthros is a classy guy.

It sounds like Haymaker or Headbutt to me, or possibly Twin Hammerfists.

[StrayRogue]

Dude, sorc DS's can go up to 700 + fully spell'd up (with every spell imaginable) even proned,stunned, and in stance offensive. Warrior's can only get up that high with strength, blue crystal etc..

Yeah, I only need one swing. Their shitty armour won't be saving them.

[StrayRogue]

Sorcerer will win all the time if he is competent and correctly spell'd up.... That is all.

Please learn about pvp in GS. That is all.