New Mentor

[StrayRogue]

Augie is now a Mentor. What do you all think? She up to it? Or there simply to abuse it for more crappy alters?

[CrystalTears]

Boy they'll just hire anyone for that, won't they?

Yes I do realize that there are some good mentors out there. But they really screw up big time with some people they choose. That halfling that needs to be skewered with her own tart cutter is one of them.

[DCSL]

Yikes. That's all I can say.

[AnticorRifling]

So is Deevareevareevareevareee or whatever the hell her name is. Ran into her leading some newb around and she ended up pawning him off on me because he asked too many questions (that's what she said in a whisper to me)

I died alittle inside.

[Kurili]

Oh good Koar, it is a joke, I hope?

Acolyte Kurili

[Back]

I was a mentor a long ways back. When they started the whole thing up. When we all met to talk about what we would be doing and all that, the GM asked us if we wanted a reward. I was like, hell yeah, but everyone else was NO! My career was short.

Mentoring mainly consists of answering newbie questions. Anyone who has played a good amount of time can do it pretty easy. And I think there is a mentor channel to ask other mentors questions if you don't know.

I've observed Augie a few times now and I can't say one way or the other about it. If its to get with the 'in' crowd, or to get some kind of reward, thats fine in my opinion.

[GS4Gurl]

Wow. I am stunned that they let a person who goes ooc quite regularly, become a Mentor? Are they getting hard up for helpers?

[StrayRogue]

Backlash, I don't think its the fact of reward that galls people, its the fact that someone who goes OOC alot is being put forward by SIMU to help encourage and help RP.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Backlash, I don't think its the fact of reward that galls people, its the fact that someone who goes OOC alot is being put forward by SIMU to help encourage and help RP.

I thought the Mentors were a player run organization?

[StrayRogue]

Player run, supported by the GM's directly, I believe, as they are granted "special" powers. Like the Mentor Message thing given to newbies.

[Moist Happenings]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Player run, supported by the GM's directly, I believe, as they are granted "special" powers. Like the Mentor Message thing given to newbies.

Yeah, there are special abilities granted to mentors via the MENTOR verb. And yes, there's a direct chat line to the GMs and GHs in case you get a question you can't answer or is above your head.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
So is Deevareevareevareevareee or whatever the hell her name is. Ran into her leading some newb around and she ended up pawning him off on me because he asked too many questions (that's what she said in a whisper to me)

I died alittle inside.

Bwahahahaha. Was it a young empath? She tried to pawn a little empath off on me and I told her that I was about to leave the game. And then I wen to the crypt for a few hours.

[GS4Gurl]

Originally posted by Wezas

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
So is Deevareevareevareevareee or whatever the hell her name is. Ran into her leading some newb around and she ended up pawning him off on me because he asked too many questions (that's what she said in a whisper to me)

I died alittle inside.

Bwahahahaha. Was it a young empath? She tried to pawn a little empath off on me and I told her that I was about to leave the game. And then I wen to the crypt for a few hours.

Oh my god so this person is doing this more than once? Handing off people she is supposed to be Mentoring? She really needs to be reported then and stripped of her Mentor abilities.

[Kurili]

Augie and some male char came into Helga's the other night, kissing, licking, the gamut. It was not her fiance/husband Lunatick, by the way. Augie fell to the floor and asked the other character to come down there and roll around with her. At which time she was kissing him deeply, etc.

When asked if she wasnt married/engaged to Lunatick, she said she was, and explained "I was trying to lick the ale off him, I forgot that when we lie down we french kiss instead of lick." Bear in mind, the character she was telling this to (my char) was a stranger to her. And there were others there as well.

Yeah, I really think she needs to be a Mentor. Attention whore, Merchant-hound, and misuses WARN right up there with the Champions Warclaidhm and Haashek.

What can we look forward to from new people, when THESE are their Simu-approved ROLE MODELS!

Acolyte Kurili

[CrystalTears]

This seriously bothers me. She may just be answering newbie questions, but they also have to be a sort of rolemodel for the newbies who don't know how to roleplay. Not only is she going to influence the OOC and warn mentality, but she's going to continue the bad stereotype that halflings are little tart grubbing, childish sounding, mini retards. I'm not happy with that decision. It's probably the only one that I truly abhore at this moment and I think they made a huge mistake. Huge. I know so many people who have applied and who were declined for who the hell knows why. And they give it to her?! WTF?!!! To hell with GS4 changes, that addition alone is enough to send me out of the game. Yikes.

[Edaarin]

Heh, am I the only one who's never had a bad run in with Augie?

[StrayRogue]

Don't worry, Ilvane is going to get an earful when she gets back from work.

[Kurili]

Could not agree more, CT. I think I'm going to go lie down awhile, and try to shake this sudden queasiness I have.

Acolyte Kurili

[Jenisi]

It's all going down the shitter :(

[Ilvane]

I'm at work, just read the thread. I wasn't in on her interview, to be honest.

I'm have a little time to comment right now anyway. I just am really disappointed if what you are saying is true. I didn't sit in on the interview, and read it and it seemed fine, but if there was a serious issue with her, I would think we should have known.

I question sometimes when a person who I think would be a great mentor is not even interviewed. I also question when people who are perceived as bad role models are brought in. I unfortunately don't have control over who gets interviewed, but I would say those of you who want to mentor, apply, and make it better.

She may make a great mentor..we'll have to see. If she doesn't do well, she won't wind up staying, if she does well, then she will.

-A

[Edited on 10-27-2003 by Ilvane]

[Hulkein]

Oh God, I hate Augie immensely.

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Augie is now a Mentor. What do you all think? She up to it? Or there simply to abuse it for more crappy alters?

This stupid shit right here gave me all the little push I needed to sell all my accounts and now I am only down to one little warrior on a standard account.

I can not wait to sell off the rest of my crap so I can play middle-earth online full time after I get back from Iraq

http://www.middle-earthonline.com

[StrayRogue]

Please post that on the Official boards TOJ. You're quite well known on there, and have created quite a large amount of money for Simu in the past and I want to know they've fucked up.

Do they even have a Mentor's board? Either way, got anything interesting to sell? :D

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Please post that on the Official boards TOJ. You're quite well known on there, and have created quite a large amount of money for Simu in the past and I want to know they've fucked up.

Do they even have a Mentor's board? Either way, got anything interesting to sell? :D

actually I was more well known when I posted as a female ranger

I have to be nice on the offical boards because I called Khaldon a dumbass.

I will try to tone it down and post something similiar.

Nothing to sell... yet.

I will have to wait on friends. They get it free and then the rest I will list here and ebay.

[StrayRogue]

Post the link when you're done. And yeah, I know. I can't stand those boards either. I recently started posting again (after about 2 years) as I wanted to sell this damnable broadsword. Unless your name is Carabelle or someone similar you don't get a fucking moments notice.

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Post the link when you're done. And yeah, I know. I can't stand those boards either. I recently started posting again (after about 2 years) as I wanted to sell this damnable broadsword. Unless your name is Carabelle or someone similar you don't get a fucking moments notice.

http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=30&category=14&topic=3

[HarmNone]

Heh. So we now have Augie, the Queen of OOC mentoring, along with somebody with a mile-long name who passes her charges off to other players, eh?

That does make one wonder just what the Mentors are thinking these days. Maybe the thought of GS4 is messing with their minds! :D

HarmNone is beginning to wonder

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Heh, am I the only one who's never had a bad run in with Augie?

I don't think I have actually.. then again, I don't normally hang out in merchants.. their tents are usually covered in a sanctuary.

[Xcalibur]

Whenever i met her, i stole from her.

I think i got busted with one of those damn needles, she did a gld rank of me, and let it go.

hehehe power is everything

[DCSL]

I've never had a personal run-in with her, no. But I've watched her plenty. Some of the things she does can get very irritating. The OOCness, the halfling stereotype, and the forceful roleplay like:

(Augie leans her ladder up against the raffle ticket barrel, climbs up, and covers all the tickets with "AUGIE WINS!")

I don't hate her, and she has the right to play how she wishes, but I'd rather she wasn't a Mentor, wasn't endorsed as a role model for new people in GS.

[Edited on 10-27-2003 by DCSL]

[Snapp]

I don't have a problem with her really, I just find her irritating as hell. The halfling stereotype is soooo annoying, as is the kind of stuff DCSL just mentioned.

[Artha]

Heh, tell me how that thread turns out.

'What's next, Warskooterhm a mentor' :lol:

[Savaard]

Give her a chance....

I love the hobbit stereotype, all the more reason to threaten eating them :D plus there are so many of the little people who act all tartful, cant go hating her for it.

[GS4Gurl]

That'll be an interesting thread. A few people are going to voice their dissagreement then the Augie followers will attack them, OR the posts will be pulled entirely by some prudish GM who doesn't like opinions.

Thats what always happens. Its so predictable. No one has a voice there and I don't see why people even bother trying to speak up about something.

[GS4Gurl]

Originally posted by Savaard
Give her a chance....

I love the hobbit stereotype, all the more reason to threaten eating them :D plus there are so many of the little people who act all tartful, cant go hating her for it.

Dear, the sickening hobbit stereotype ISNT the problem.

Her constant OOCness is. That just isn't the example a Mentor should set.

[Xcalibur]

It's a known fact in business/management to put some person in charge to solve some problems.

Imagine them thinking, by putting her as a mentor and maybe later as a gm, they put her and her closes buddies in their pockets

For me, it's a good thing of simu, and a damn way to show how Augie's player would do in life to get into "interesting" position

[Artha]

Someone should mention the mentor that drops newbies off because they ask too many questions in that thread too.

[theotherjohn]

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[AnticorRifling]

I like Gervis too. He's gotta be following orders he's cool.

Augie = Mentor Snert
Deevarr.....ee..e.ve... = way too much time on her hands.

[Kurili]

Yes, they pulled both of them. Dont dare speak poorly about their new pet Mentor. Even though she's constangly OOC, flings WARNS like Clerics toss smite, uses 'RP' methods like smile and ACT in a manner that could often be considered mechanics abuse. Ohh, no! Dont mention any of that! She'll be an excellent roll model for the new people. And yes, I did mean 'roll'.

Bullshit.

Acolyte Kurili, who is peeved

[AnticorRifling]

A crier steps in and announces, "Augie is now available to answer new adventurers' questions at Silverwood Manor in Ta'Vaalor. (Use DIR SILVERWOOD to find the way there.)" She then rushes off.
>
You ask, "That halflin be here to answer questions?"

You say, "I swear by Eonak's rusty armpit she couldn't answer da call o' nature."

My dwarf bard rules.

[Kurili]

Yaay Anticor's Bard, short thought he is.

Acolyte Kurili

[peam]

Someone should write up a really generalized letter bitching about it. I'm too lazy to do it, but I'd slap my name on it and mail it in.

[Ilvane]

I don't get mad often, but some of your comments are really getting to me.

Instead of concentrating on good things the mentors do, you all concentrate on everything negative over and over again. Maybe Augie will make a great mentor, and you don't know that. She is hardly the "Queen of OOC", It's more that she is just annoying to some people.

I also don't think that we are *all* bad, as the comments seem to be asserting.

I understand you have concerns about who is getting picked for mentors, and at times I have those same concerns. Bashing the rest of the society over the 4 or 5 you can't stand is not the way to get your point across.

There are reasons why people don't get picked to be mentors the first time around. I applied 4 times before I even got an interview, so maybe that says something..I don't know.

-A

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Ilvane

Bashing the rest of the society over the 4 or 5 you can't stand is not the way to get your point across.



hell I havent even started to talk about the two mentors that I have owned and sold so no bashing has started yet

[Kurili]

I went and looked at the Mentor's List, Ilvane. And most of em I know do a good job. When I find new people, I help with what I can, then take them to a Mentor.

But perhaps you see less of Augie than I have, or something. It's not the Mentor's Society I have issues with, it's Augie as a Mentor.

I was wondering, what will she teach first? Warn and Report? Or smile and Act ?

Acolyte Kurili

[Ilvane]

I understand what you are saying, really.

I'm going to put it this way: The way we interview is like a job interview. We see her for about a half hour to 45 minutes and we ask her a number of questions about how she would do something, how she would react in a certain situation, and so forth. During that time period, she is excellent, says great things, has a nice attitude, and comes across well. We discuss things, and seeing no difficulty in the interview, she heads into training.

I didn't know her well enough to really say no, because I've not had a bad experience with her. We have a number of mentor council who also didn't say anything about her behavior. Going on that, what decision would you have made? She has cleared the GM level, she has also made a good impression on the Council..Can't we wait and see?

I understand you may not agree with the choice, really I do. I just think she should at least be given a chance.;)

-A

[DCSL]

Mm, you're right I guess... But there's no way to tell what she's doing with the new people is there, unless someone sits there invisible and follows them around, right? So we can't tell if she's a good Mentor or not. Or do the Mentors have to submit logs of their Mentoring for quality control? Or something like that?

Edited to be clearer about logs of what.

[Edited on 10-28-2003 by DCSL]

[Ilvane]

When you first become a mentor, you have a trainer with you the whole time. After you are promoted(no less than 30 days later), you are on your own for the most part.

I know some of the GM/GH's look in sometimes, though. I've also popped in on some newer mentors just to say hi and watch.

-A

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Ilvane
She is hardly the "Queen of OOC", It's more that she is just annoying to some people.

-A

Actually, no. To me, it is about her OOC-ness. From what I read here she has not changed a bit from what she has always been...grossly OOC.

HarmNone remembers

[Savaard]

Originally posted by Savaard
Give her a chance....

I love the hobbit stereotype, all the more reason to threaten eating them :D plus there are so many of the little people who act all tartful, cant go hating her for it.

Dear, the sickening hobbit stereotype ISNT the problem.

Her constant OOCness is. That just isn't the example a Mentor should set. [/quote]

I mentioned the hobbit thing because it was brought up against her. I said give her a chance regarding the OOC statements. Maybe ya'll should quit griping about her being a bad mentor until she's actually proven herself to be a bad one... Im fairly nuetral in this matter but like I said... Give her a chance instead of bitch about it.

[Ilvane]

You are free to disagree with me, of course HarmNone.

Like I said, I haven't seen her enough to know first-hand. I'm not even saying that it may not be true.

At this point, she is allowed to go through her training. If she is not a good mentor, it will show up soon enough.:)

-A

[Hulkein]

The Mentor society is stupid anyway. In general, I don't think it should even be looked at with a sense of Gemstone fulfillment if you are one.

The game is all about money now, and the way Simu makes money is by charging for transferring of characters, merchants, platinum etc. There are RARELY true newbs to the game. If there were, Simu wouldn't be constantly thinking of ways to make money off of its current customer base.

Who cares about being a mentor? Honestly, don't even be jealous.

[Edited on 10-28-2003 by Hulkein]

[Kurili]

You hear the subdued thoughts of Augie echo in your mind:
"tappity tap tap"
>

[Soulpieced]

Augie sucks. This is true.

[Adhara]

I never interacted directly with her but I have been in her presence or heard her on the amulet about a half dozen times that I remember. I remember because she has an OOC tag slapped on her forehead.

Will she be a good mentor? Maybe. People can change. Interviews are not enough. There should be a background check. Will a person that is seen OOC regularly in very busy areas (and does not seem to feel any shame or guilt about it) change suddenly after her enlightening mentor interview? I doubt it. I'd like to put money down on this one. She'll probably behave while in training. What employee doesn't follow the code when evaluated by a sup? But after?

Yikes!!

[Edited on 10-28-2003 by Adhara]

[Back]

Like GS is the bastion of RP? Please. I try to role play and people call me an ass to my face in GS.

[Adhara]

Um... You think it's too much to ask that the mentors don't go OOC? We're not talking stellar RP, just no blatant OOC like "I forgot that when we lick while lying down it kisses deeply."

[Back]

Originally posted by Adhara
Um... You think it's too much to ask that the mentors don't go OOC? We're not talking stellar RP, just no blatant OOC like "I forgot that when we lick while lying down it kisses deeply."

I'm all for RP, I understand the concern as you all see it, but seriously... you've got people going OOC all the time. Its not enforced. I can pick out a dozen long time players who do it regularly.

Were GS an RP enforced game, this wouldn't happen.

[Adhara]

I agree Backlash. I'm sure we've all slipped at some point. In this case we're not talking about the random slip however. Well, I can only speak from my experience with the person in question. Maybe I just had really really bad luck and always saw her on her bad RP days... I know she tries, in her defense I have also seen her try to RP. Whether her RP style is irritating or not does not concern me in the least.

Oh well. I hope that being a mentor will help her try to avoid those slips a little more. Her occasional RP shows that it IS within her abilities if she tries. Maybe all she needed was a bit more motivation and hopefully she has found with within the mentors.

I give her the benefit of the doubt. Time will tell what kind of mentor she makes.

[Edited on 10-28-2003 by Adhara]

[GS4Gurl]

Well I hope they get her to stop the "tapity, tap, tap" nonesense. WTF is that anyway? Is she pretending to tap a microphone?

[Xcalibur]

I'm so glad that Augie is now a mentor

Every 2-3 decisions, you can see how simu is really a "K-Mart" compagny

Just play the game and swallow every bit of stupidity

[StrayRogue]

Oh look, my post got pulled. What a fucking joke.

To me, the Mentor's should be the peak of mannered and well RPed people in GS. They should not go OOC ever or atleast not blatantly. If they are choosing them just like a job, as in all that matters is a 45 minute interview, then the entire system is fucked IMHO. Choosing someone to be the next step down from a game host should be a careful process and NOT how one recruits store clerks.

All in all, I've totally lost respect for this system. Just another nail in the coffin, to be honest. I will NOT be recommending newbies to the Mentor society anymore, rather telling them to go play a Graphical MUD where they atleast do not have a facade of OOCness.

[CrystalTears]

I don't have a problem with the mentors in general. Sure there are some bad eggs but that's true of the GMs and any number of employees in any company.

I'm not sure how the interviewing process is, however I always felt that with mentors at least, they should monitor how you behave in the game for a good month before they consider the actual interview. Going strictly by the interview doesn't mean anything because most interviewers are on their best behavior and just know how to say the right thing to get what they want.

Maybe she'll be good, I still believe in miracles afterall. However I still have issues with her OOC behavior (let alone her own roleplaying choices) and being a mentor at the same time. Her actions will now only be highlighted instead of pretty much ignored before because of this "promotion" she's gotten. I just feel it's going to go to her head and she's going to use it to her advantage. I don't trust her as far as I can throw Anticor (only because I know I can throw Augie pretty far).

[Ilvane]

Thanks Stay sweetie,

Most of us work hard to be great mentors, and it really is hurtful to hear that it is so underappreciated.

-A

[StrayRogue]

Sorry, maybe you do work hard, I'm not saying you do not. However, its your attitude to accepting anyone into your ranks that is the terrible thing. All it takes is one bad spanner in the works for the machine to fuck up. I don't want any newbie to go to Augie or anyone like her. It is now a risk to send people to the mentors. I risk sending an impressionable young character who may be taught well or may be taught how to be an OOC moron. No. I don't think I'll take that chance.

[Ilvane]

We work hard to help everyone. Just like the in general population in GS, there are people that you aren't going to like. Just as there are going to be GM's you can't stand. You don't know that Augie won't be a good mentor, and you certainly aren't giving her much of a chance and are effectively setting her up for failure.

Let me put it succinctly, we do not accept everyone into the mentors. We go through a long process of approval, as those who have got into the society can attest to, as well as many who have not got into the society.

-A

[Soulpieced]

I personally have never liked the mentor system, and have even been bugged myself a few times to become one. There are a few good ones (Larktrill comes to mind), but I haven't seen a list of active mentors lately. All-in-all I think it's a good idea, but I agree with StrayRogue. I don't agree with some of the people who happen to be mentors due to interactions with them. Augie is an idiot mentor or not.

[StrayRogue]

Carefully selected?! The entire point of this thread highlights how the selection process in this instance has failed. Tell me, what qualities does Augie have, beyond being an OOC and Warn hound, that you think will aid her in helping the newer player?

[Edited on 28-10-03 by StrayRogue]

[AnticorRifling]

I would apply to be a mentor but I feel I still don't know enough to be effective.

Augie doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground. She should be mentored not a mentor.

[Ilvane]

Again, these are all opinions. According to her interview with us, she was fine to be a mentor. If she is continually obnoxious and out of character, it *will* be noticed.

I'm not going to defend ad nauseum. I know the mentors are good people, and work hard and volunteer to do things. Personally, I would mentor even if I didn't have a single contact with other staff, because I love helping new characters. I'm also not going to let it get to me that some people don't seem to care for us..it's not personal, I'm sure.

-A

[StrayRogue]

As I said, I do appreciate the work you do. However, that appreciation has dwindled with the realization of how you actually operate. Myself, and others, do not think she is able to be a mentor. If you guys think she is, good. Does this mean I, and others, will cast doubts on the system? Of course it will.

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by Ilvane
Again, these are all opinions. According to her interview with us, she was fine to be a mentor. If she is continually obnoxious and out of character, it *will* be noticed.

I'm not going to defend ad nauseum. I know the mentors are good people, and work hard and volunteer to do things. Personally, I would mentor even if I didn't have a single contact with other staff, because I love helping new characters. I'm also not going to let it get to me that some people don't seem to care for us..it's not personal, I'm sure.

-A

So you're saying you don't look at behaviour prior to the interview as a benchmark for behavior after?

Anyone can be good for an interview. Hell she kisses ass like it's cool whenever a merchant comes along. The logs are out there. I just think it's poor taste to be IC when the mentor hat is on and then an OOC idiot as soon as it's off. Newbs, as well as most others, will notice your behavior on and off duty and you will influence them will actions from both.

I like mentors as a whole and Askip actually helped me out with all my stupid questions when I first started and my friend that got me into the game wasn't there so the system does work. But I will say that had Augie answered that ringing bell I'd be playing something else today.

[peam]

Originally posted by Ilvane
Again, these are all opinions. According to her interview with us, she was fine to be a mentor. If she is continually obnoxious and out of character, it *will* be noticed.


Everyone who's an obnoxious idiot would be quick to come out and state that they were one, right?

[CrystalTears]

I don't think she would be stupid enough to stay something out of line at an interview. I'm sure she was an angel at the interview, but that doesn't mean that she's mentor material.

Maybe she will work out, but I would not trust newbies in her hands because I HAVE interacted with her and I don't trust her judgement, mentor or not. If she was around and I knew someone who could use a mentor's help, I would tell the newbie to wait until it was someone else.

I don't need mentors, and most of the people here don't either. However I truly am worried now for the future of GS characters with someone like Augie in the society. We have a big enough problem with people not knowing how to roleplay, IF to roleplay, and I just don't feel that putting someone who is OOC at least half of her existance is a smart move. But if that's what they want, fine. I'll set the poor little guy straight when they leave the manor. :P

[Edaarin]

I'd say a very few percentage of people I would trust to be a Mentor. Not myself, I don't like answering stupid questions, and I'd probably feel like kicking someone's ass after being asked the same question 10 times a day.

I do get a kick out of rolling up newbs and bugging the hell out of my friends while they're on duty.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I don't think she would be stupid enough to stay something out of line at an interview. I'm sure she was an angel at the interview, but that doesn't mean that she's mentor material.



Exactly my point.

[CrystalTears]

Interviews mean doodie. I wish you could see the two cornholios we have working at my company who interviewed really well but are just not team players and have lost us accounts because they don't know what they are doing half of the time.

How I weep for the future!

[Kurili]

The 'Tappity tap tap' thing that was broadcast on the net is part of a Rogue Guild skill. The one where they repeatedly tap a knife between their fingers, increasing speed as they go. Dont remember what it's called, but that is what she was broadcasting.

Acolyte Kurili

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Kurili
The 'Tappity tap tap' thing that was broadcast on the net is part of a Rogue Guild skill. The one where they repeatedly tap a knife between their fingers, increasing speed as they go. Dont remember what it's called, but that is what she was broadcasting.

Acolyte Kurili

Dagger trick.

[StrayRogue]

I think I may roll up a new character and test her mettle.

[CrystalTears]

Yes Ilvane, don't take any of this personally. This ranting is not purely about the mentor society, it's about a decision they made. I love the company I work for and so do most of us here, doesn't mean that we love every decision they make and it doesn't make their value any less. Companies, groups and societies make mistake and many people feel that this is one of them.

[Ilvane]

We'll be fine..really. How are we to protect the innocent newbies from idiots on the street, outside of Silverwood manor??? :grin:

Aye, there's the rub!

-A

[StrayRogue]

Don't worry. I'll be directing them to PlanetSide.

[Back]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I think I may roll up a new character and test her mettle.

Be cool. Don't be a tool.

[Hulkein]

I'll just take satisfaction that the majority of great players started before any mentor system. It doesn't do jack shit, all it does it make the newb accustomed to going to GH's and GM's whenever they can't figure out something, or dislike something.

[StrayRogue]

Sure it does do stuff. I am proud to have had a great rogue as my mentor. Damn proud, and I wouldn't be here now if he didn't give me help, in my day.

[Adhara]

When I created my little monk, I was getting dressed and a mentor (I don't even remember who) fogged to me and said something like "Welcome to Elanthia!" or some such. Out of the blue like that. So I blink and say "Erm... I am well into my thirties, as you can see, so I think that means I was born and raised in Elanthia for a few years." She had the grace to blush and said "I meant welcome to town." A bit irritated at this new mentor practice (at least it's the first time I had it done to me) I pushed the smartass-ness by saying "I didn't know it was written on my forehead that I'm new in town. I am from Nantu." I mean, there's a big hint in bright pink flashing neons that this is NOT my first character....... Believe or not, she whispered "the town your are in is called Wehnimer's Landing. Use DIR to find the bank and other useful locations."

Sheesh! Get a clue woman! I was trying to stay IC for this whole thing, hoping to get a little RP in with a mentor but... I couldn't take any more stupidity. I whispered to her, "This is not my first character. I know my way around thanks."

She curtsied a bit stiffly at my dismissal and left. This happened about 3 months ago I would say.

Why oh why do they do this random stupid fogging in the first place? I don't know what the mentor interview is like but the questions must be really elementary if a mentor can't recognize a seasoned player...

[Edited on 10-28-2003 by Adhara]

[CrystalTears]

I've only had one character who had encountered the mentors. I don't remember who it was but they asked me if I needed help with anything and I said no. They handed me the card and said to go there if I did and then they left. It was inobtrusive and thought it was nice to not egg the issue further. The fogging, which I've seen some do, is something I don't like, not even when GM's do it.

[Kurili]

The contact I've had with Mentors, both with my one new character who had contact with one, and when I'm finding a Mentor for a new player I've run across has been very good. When my new character was greeted by the Mentor, who did not fog by the way, he realized I was not altogether 'new', but he was still extremely helpful. A good friend to have with a new character.

I have been pleased, except with the recent developments.

Acolyte Kurili

[Ilvane]

Adhara, did you perhaps open a new account or something?

-A

Edited to take out some mentor system specific information.

[Edited on 10-31-2003 by Ilvane]

[Adhara]

Not quite. The account wasn't that old though. I opened it in may to transfer a friend's character to (level 28). So that char has been there since may. The little monk is the second char on that account.

Edit: I might be off a bit on the date of the incident with the monk. I know for a fact this account was created in may but maybe the monk was created in june instead of july I'm not sure...

[Edited on 10-28-2003 by Adhara]

[Xcalibur]

I start a character every 2 weeks around. I get 50% of visit by mentors. The first times, i played their game, but like adhara i had someone came and treated as if i was a real newb that didn't know how to speak

Everytimes now a mentor come, i just ignore them

there isn't many new players per months

you don't need 100 mentors, only 20 would do the job perfectly, but still, simu is simu

[Edited on 28-10-03 by Xcalibur]

[Gan]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
... but I haven't seen a list of active mentors lately. ...

As of: Today is Tilamaires, day 28 of the month Jastatos in the year 5103. It is 14:05 by the elven time standard. It is currently afternoon.

List of currently inducted mentors:
Tilarium Lochraven Karamilla Valiria
Chyrain Geoff Metadi Siwas
Thaxius Morganwyn Antalya Arliquin
Avrinet Seigurd Enegue Augie
Bevan Spaewife Chaum Psiodon
Ilvane Greever Dremerie Joloven
Shiril Taylir Larktrill Tepkin
Ionica Cappurnicus Eridal Cerridween
Aemergin Odevalis Mystra Jullius
Rilven Ahmeuseng Llorrin Hollowsky
Thia Aurien Nindy Heuward
Deevareeree Agenais Aramina Dainslef
Garredd Avira Lavinnia Nenime
Morgrem Chica Delyorik Bulrabye
Phenomenon Daeffodill Haylei Rhandi
Dagor Hypherdol Lemandria Mystianna
Radeek Daergard Palooka Khore
Joter Darcena Lissa Tierus
Lurch Marica Cattriona Clerac
Adyr Psionix Astronomer Meshach
Askip Letisha Celtic Seesfar
Shinoboo Evelith Gerbill Naessi
Shylore Deza Lyricaen Starna
Teylarun Madmountan Exttior Alerr
Buzzario Mythala Raiz Jimothy
Cheysuli Goldelocks Vonka Yundah
Gwendalath Keyala Ambraisha Lierane
Bitsie Tanara Elforia Morgiest
Kasia Aquarrist Danela Breeze
Xanadu Desorceri Gnafelot Jaynah
Seaven Kaprina Michaellangello Noodle
Heratio Dayde

[Adhara]

Over 120 mentors? Wow... I wonder how many new players a month we get.

[AnticorRifling]

That list of mentors should be in the horrible name thread heh. But I figure that many mentors helps cover the 24/7 timeframe of the game I doupt they are all on at once.

[Xcalibur]

Real new players?

Not one using the zone and/or getting a new account via play.net?

I really doubt more than 3 per month, on average.

[Kurili]

I run into a fair number of new ones, Excalibur. At least two a month, and that is just me. And I do mean real new ones; no idea about deeds, where to go, and so on.

Of course, I long ago decided my girls all wear signs I cant see that reads:

"New to Elanthia? Need assistance? I can help, just ask!"

So, like I said before, I help them all I can, then take them to Silverwood, after running there myself to make sure a Mentor is available.

Acolyte Kurili

[Edited on 10-28-2003 by Kurili]

[Chyrain]

I'm a mentor. You'd all love me. I just know it.

oh...and uh...you'd be surprised how many people really need a mentor's assistance. Just because *you* don't, doesn't mean no one does.

And for those of you who get welcomed by a mentor when you start a new character on a new account...don't you think you could suck it up just a little bit for the sake of all the good it does for true new players? All you have to say is "I'm not really new" immediately. How hard is that?

It's not hard at all. And if it puts a kink in your day, then you need to figure out some way to let go of your frustrations before you have a stroke and die.

[Edited on 10-28-2003 by Chyrain]

[Kurili]

I sure dont recall any five-page and growing screaming match when you became a Mentor, Chyrain. :-)

Acolyte Kurili

[Chyrain]

You're right. But I totally expected a five page thread about how damn sexy I am.

you all suck.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Chyrain
I'm a mentor. You'd all love me. I just know it.

oh...and uh...you'd be surprised how many people really need a mentor's assistance. Just because *you* don't, doesn't mean no one does.

And for those of you who get welcomed by a mentor when you start a new character on a new account...don't you think you could suck it up just a little bit for the sake of all the good it does for true new players? All you have to say is "I'm not really new" immediately. How hard is that?

It's not hard at all. And if it puts a kink in your day, then you need to figure out some way to let go of your frustrations before you have a stroke and die.

[Edited on 10-28-2003 by Chyrain]

and get aids by God since you were so mean? calm down

120 mentors IS WAY TOO much.

120 *6 hours (minimum per month you need to "work)

720 hours/ 30 days = 24 hours

24 hours

AHHAHAHAHAHAH, a damn mentor on every second on average

[Adhara]

I think the mentor society is a great concept. I just think the hiring process needs a big overhaul.

I was not complaining that the Mentor fogged to me. I was rendered speechless by the Mentor's inability to understand my repeated IC hints that I didn't need help. Hell they weren't hints they were neons!

How hard is it to say "I'm not a new player" you ask? Not hard at all I answer. And that's just the thing. I chose the hard (gasp) roleplaying way.

Oh no! Not roleplaying!

Seriously though, I was disappointed in the mentor inability to recognize roleplay. If they can't see it when it hits them in the face, how can they teach it?

There are great mentors out there, three of which are very good friends of mine and NEVER go out of character. I am in no way generalizing with this example. I am just showing a concrete example that some bad apples do slip through the cracks and something should be done about the hiring process so that people are not chosen based on their 45 min performance in front of the interviewers.

[GemstoneFan]

Merchant whore is at it again:


Augie smiles at Omno's shadow.


Omno of course being the merchant everyone's waiting on. How can blatant ABUSE of smile/act allow morons like this to be Mentors?

Precisely why they'll never see my Mentor application.

Edited to clarify that Omno wasn't even in the LANDS when she was busy smiling at his shadow.

[Edited on 10-28-2003 by GemstoneFan]

[Kurili]

Yeah, like I said, which will she teach first? "Smile/Act- and how to go just so far without getting in trouble for mechanics abuse", or "Warn/Report are your friends. With them, you can do anything!"

Acolyte Kurili, really needing to shut up

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Ilvane
We'll be fine..really. How are we to protect the innocent newbies from idiots on the street, outside of Silverwood manor??? :grin:

Aye, there's the rub!

-A

One thing that's bothered me about the mentors is... they always give the little game secrets away.

"Use a bank to store your silvers"
"Close your containers or a thief might steal a gem from you"

I think these things in particular should be discovered by the newbies. I think if the Mentors simply point the newbies in the direction of the Park, I will be more than happy to continue their education.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Adhara
When I created my little monk, I was getting dressed and a mentor (I don't even remember who) fogged to me and said something like "Welcome to Elanthia!" or some such. Out of the blue like that. So I blink and say "Erm... I am well into my thirties, as you can see, so I think that means I was born and raised in Elanthia for a few years." She had the grace to blush and said "I meant welcome to town." A bit irritated at this new mentor practice (at least it's the first time I had it done to me) I pushed the smartass-ness by saying "I didn't know it was written on my forehead that I'm new in town. I am from Nantu." I mean, there's a big hint in bright pink flashing neons that this is NOT my first character....... Believe or not, she whispered "the town your are in is called Wehnimer's Landing. Use DIR to find the bank and other useful locations."

Sheesh! Get a clue woman! I was trying to stay IC for this whole thing, hoping to get a little RP in with a mentor but... I couldn't take any more stupidity. I whispered to her, "This is not my first character. I know my way around thanks."

She curtsied a bit stiffly at my dismissal and left. This happened about 3 months ago I would say.

Why oh why do they do this random stupid fogging in the first place? I don't know what the mentor interview is like but the questions must be really elementary if a mentor can't recognize a seasoned player...

[Edited on 10-28-2003 by Adhara]

Some folks will bitch about anything. Here is someone that has taken time out of their playing time to devote to helping new players of a game.. and you have to be a rude, holier than thou snert and dismiss her like that? How the hell would she know that you are a seasoned player?

A simple whisper that you have played for a while and that you know how to play would have been sufficient. They are only doing their jobs.

Sheesh. I would never be a good Mentor. Folks like this would drive me to begin a killing spree.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
One thing that's bothered me about the mentors is... they always give the little game secrets away.

"Use a bank to store your silvers"
"Close your containers or a thief might steal a gem from you"

I think these things in particular should be discovered by the newbies. I think if the Mentors simply point the newbies in the direction of the Park, I will be more than happy to continue their education.

Bah, you're just pissy cause they're ruining your business. :P

[CrystalTears]

When approached by a mentor, when they've asked me if I needed help, I just say no with a smile. Sometimes she'll joke around with them. I've actually considered applying, I just haven't because I'm not around enough. I'm sure it's a rough job so I don't give any mentors, or GMs for that matter, a hard time, regardless of whether I like them or not.

[Drew2]

I'd just like to know Adhara writes in english 100x more intelligably than Xcalibur and French is the first language for both of them.

Oh yeah and mentors suck they wouldn't let me in.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Tayre
I'd just like to know Adhara writes in english 100x more intelligably than Xcalibur and French is the first language for both of them.

Oh yeah and mentors suck they wouldn't let me in.


100X? i'd say 2X times.

And? She lives in an english province now since X times and I live in a french province since 26 years.

Why the fuck Lousianna's people doesn't speak good french now?

[StrayRogue]

Adhara's first language is French??

[Xcalibur]

Yeap, she comes from the same province as me..

I didn't knew until she told me, her english is really good.

[Caiylania]

I never got an official mentor, but I had many people help me out and show me around when I first started. It was such a great introduction to the game that when I started realizing not everyone was that way, it was (im naive) a bit of a shock to me.

I think the mentor program is great, but if what you all say is true, then perhaps they should have a different system in place to screen and recruit them.

[Adhara]

Parkbandit you ask how she was supposed to know I wasn't a new player. In my original post about the incident I showed the conversation. You read that conversation and tell me you wouldn't have gotten the hint after the first or maybe first two obvious IC statements I made. Oh and it wasn't bitching. It was demonstrating that for all the good mentors, there are horrible ones.

I don't know how Tayre learned that French was my first language but it's true. I learned English in my late teens. I've been living in an English speaking province for about a year. Gemstone has greatly improved my vocabulary and reading fantasy complemented it nicely.



[Edited on 10-28-2003 by Adhara]

[StrayRogue]

Why hasn't that happened with Xcalibur then?

[Adhara]

I am told I have a natural talent with languages. I learned Spanish and Esperanto very easily as well.

[Xcalibur]

Because there's 0 people speaking english here (normaly).

Go learn Spanish in Iraq. Same damn thing. I probably have enough vocabulary, but my ONLY way to exercise it, it's here and in gemstone.

Still, I admit it, my english sux, but at least I can communicate somewhat in it:cool:

[Wezas]

>Ananthor quietly says, "Eh...peoples? Might anyone beh able to remind meh where house Argent Aspis lie? I fear I forget..."

>Ananthor removes a sealed message from in his heavy
backpack.

Ananthor waves a sealed message around.

'It burned down
>You say, "It burned down"


I should be a mentor.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Adhara
I am told I have a natural talent with languages. I learned Spanish and Esperanto very easily as well.

On me dit de bel apparence, propre de ma personne et j'aime les animaux...

HEheh inside joke (not sure she'll understand it, hehe)

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
HEheh inside joke (not sure she'll understand it, hehe)

Your grammar is a bit off, let me correct it:

Les gens disent que je suis laid, sale et j'ai le sexe avec des animaux.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Wezas

Originally posted by Xcalibur
HEheh inside joke (not sure she'll understand it, hehe)

Your grammar is a bit off, let me correct it:

Les gens disent que je suis laid, sale et j'ai le sexe avec des animaux.

Better that way:

Les gens disent que je suis laid, sale et que j'ai du sexe avec des animaux.

:lol:

[Hips]

Originally posted by Wezas
Les gens disent que je suis laid, sale et j'ai le sexe avec des animaux.

C'est vrai. :saint:

[Wezas]

Originally posted by GS3 Michiko
C'est vrai. :saint:

Je suis suivant dans les marchepieds de mon mentor, Xcalibur

Forgive the occasional grammar slip-up. I don't know any french and I'm using a web program to translate.

[Xcalibur]

Bah it's ok, i don't even understand what you mean..

You are knowledgeable in the feet of your mentor?

Point is, my english sux, even if i have 90% marks in my english course, no need to argue on that, i know it:lol:

[Adhara]

Oh and Parkbandit, as for your personal attack, I will say this. From what I have seen on these boards, you and I are almost never (or never period) on the same side. Our views in life must be diametrically opposed. Regardless, if that makes me a "rude holier than thou snert," then so be it. I am proud to be what I am. :)

[StrayRogue]

When you are in my thread, you speak English. Kthx.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Until I start breaking the TOS, I'll post when, where and god damn how I want too, especially if its disputing more of your idiot facts.

I follow this too!
:lol:

[Kurili]

You hear the subdued thoughts of Deevareeree echo in your mind:
"im new <giggle>"
>

And the Mentor who passes younguns around.

Acolyte Kurili

[Edited on 10-28-2003 by Kurili]

[Caramia]

I doubt many mentors know what Nantu is, Adhara, and they could have just as easily thought you were mentioning a made-up town or town from another game. Eh, blame them for not knowing Elanthia history I suppose, but ask a GM about Nantu and you might get blank looks too.

How hard is it to say you don't need any help? Well, apparently mentioning you're from Nantu is too a vague.

[Edited on 10-28-2003 by Caramia]

[GS4Gurl]

Cant steal from newbies anyways Parkbandit. At least, not ones under lvl 2, anyways.

[Tsa`ah]

We have a topic here and it isn't French, Spanish, the flop of a language Esperanto turned into, nor Canadian provinces.

Augie, Mentors ... discuss or I go primitive on some posts.

[HarmNone]

When I started, there were no Mentors. I learned the hard way, as did most who started before the Mentors came into being. There were good things about starting that way, and there were difficulties that can be avoided. Therefore, I think the Mentors organization was a wonderful idea. I am glad that new players no longer have to feel lost, confused and alone as so many of us felt "back in the day". ;) Therefore, please do not take my comments as directed toward the organization as a whole. They are, most certainly, not.

It is never easy to choose people to work with other people. In GemStone, too many players want to become Mentors because they feel it gives them an aura of importance in the game. That is a piss poor reason for joining the organization, yet it is a common one. Anyone who has been in-game for awhile has heard more than one idiot proclaim (in response to someone calling them on their idiocy): Yeah, but I'm a Mentor!" ::cringe::

Augie is frequently (and I use that word in order to be polite :D) OOC. She has always been and continues to be. According to people here, there is another new Mentor who is trying to pass her new players off on other players who are not Mentors. I think what many of us are asking is: How does this look? Does this paint a pretty picture of GemStone in the minds of new players (or longer-term players, for that matter)? What could be done to make it better, and where in the process are mistakes being made?

The Mentor organization, as a whole, is an important part of GemStone and appreciated, I am sure. Yet, there are areas of vulnerability, as in any organization, that can be improved upon. I think that is what is being discussed here. :)

HarmNone thinks good Mentors are hard to come by

[Kurili]

::applauds HarmNone:: Excellent post.

And by the way, Augie continues on the net tonight with the 'Tappity tap taps'.

Acolyte Kurili

[Artha]

Someone just make a nice long text file of logs of her stupidity/blatant OOC and then post it in a day or two.

[Adhara]

Agreed that Nantu might have been too subtle. But that was the third hint, the first two of which were in my opinion obvious.

Mentor: Welcome to Elanthia
Newbie would say: Thank you or maybe What's Elanthia?
I said: I am thirty years old so that's thirty years living in Elanthia.
Translation: I have experience in playing this game

Mentor: Welcome to town
Newbie would say: Thank you
I said: I didn't know it was written all over me that I was new in town
Translation: I find it very OOC that you would fog to me knowing that I am new in town. Newbies wouldn't notice this therefore I must not be a newbie

Hint 3: If some of you have had extensive dealings with the town clerk, the name Nantu might sound familiar. If she had known the name, then she would have know for sure that I was no newbie. If she didn't and thought I was making up a name, then at least I would expect that she would see the RP and follow suit in roleplaying.

I will concede that I might have overestimated the obviousness of my hints. I do not feel I committed a crime by trying the RP road first. I did step out of character in the end and I was not rude to her. I told her I wasn't new and didn't require assistance. I thanked her too. Straightforward because I was irritated but certainly not rude.

[Ilvane]

There really aren't 120 mentors, the list is kind of deceiving. There are mentors on that list, as well as the mentor secondaries, which are mentors who are using two different characters to mentor.

Those mentors have to make their 6 hours, and have to be actively working as mentors in order to get that.

-A

[Kurili]

I really am sorry, Adhara, but I would not have got Nantu, since I never play a Human. And as far as age and how long you'd been in Elanthia....also, wouldnt have got. And the newbie sign....had I been a Mentor I wouldnt take that necessarily to mean you were experienced either.

So, I can see where it would cause some difficulty.

Acolyte Kurili

[Adhara]

Like I said, I concede that what was obvious to me might have gone right over her head (it did obviously).

Will I still try to RP with a mentor if they come to me again? I don't know. One the one hand I don't want to waste my time and risk living another experience like this but on the other, I am an optimist and still hope that mentors would attempt to RP with newbies (or assumed newbies) when said newbie plainly demonstrates a willingness to do so.

I am not trying to defend my point as valid or better. I was expressing that it was frustrating for me to run into a mentor unwilling to roleplay. The consensus so far puts me in the wrong. Everyone agrees that I should just had sent her on her way with a whisper saying I wasn't new. I might just do that in the future but for different reasons than you would all like to see me have.

Edited a typo

[Edited on 10-29-2003 by Adhara]

[Kurili]

The one time one of my new ones was visited by a Mentor (forgot his name, darn it) I was RPing her, and he caught on very well, and it was great fun. And he continued to be a good friend for a new character as well, although not a Mentor.

Acolyte Kurili

Edited after I went to look at the Mentors sign. It was Arliquin! He was just great. A credit to Mentors.

AK

[Edited on 10-29-2003 by Kurili]

[Vesi]

When was the mentor society started?

Vesi

[Nindy]

Well, after wading through a lot of this, I think I want to vent a little. I'm not sure if any of this is a direct reply to someone, a reply to the thread in general, or just my thoughts... so bear with me (or don't and move on to something else).

I don't think I've ever been known as some uber RP genius type. I've DEFINITELY had some OOC moments in my career. I lived, I learned. When I was originally accepted as a Mentor, I was totally shocked. Frankly, up to that point, I had sucked at everything but powerhealing (alas, I didn't know better).

I did, however, genuinely want to help people. I wanted to get to know some of the "awe inspiring" names that were associated with the mentors, too, but it was mostly about helping new players. I *think* they saw that, and let me in.

I think it totally made me a better player, though you can feel free to disagree.

Now that I'm on the Council and choosing who the next mentors will be, how do you think I'll judge them? After the GMs do their thing, we're presented with a list of names to interview. We ask them questions that we hope will give us a good idea of what type of person the interview..ee.. is. The neat thing about the mentors is that they all have different strengths. Some are inspiring to watch RP, some know mechanics inside and out, some are natural leaders/jokers/communicators, some just REALLY want to help. While a balance would be great, I understand that that's not awalys the case. If someone wants to and can help, however, I feel that they deserve a chance.

A lot of people say that mentors need to be examples for new players. I agree, but I think there are plenty of good examples out there. While it *IS* important for a mentor to be a good example, I feel it is equally important for a mentor to be able to get the novice started. Getting them started and enjoying the game is what it's about for me.

Other random points!

*It's not fair to say mentors only do it to get Simu money. Simu may support us for that reason, but we do it because we want to. We're frickin' volunteers.
*The Mentors were started back in '98, I think.
*Many mentors have more than one PC in the society, so we don't really have that many mentors.
*People can be annoying and still be good mentors.
*The Mentors are not stupid, and I'm still proud to be one. I've met a lot of really good, fun people through my "mentor life."
*GM Mindra RoX0rz, kthx.

~N

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Because there's 0 people speaking english here (normaly).

Go learn Spanish in Iraq. Same damn thing. I probably have enough vocabulary, but my ONLY way to exercise it, it's here and in gemstone.

Still, I admit it, my english sux, but at least I can communicate somewhat in it:cool:

Well I'll grant you that I sure am not about to go try becoming a regular poster on a French language BBS. So you got me beat there.

[Adhara]

When I saw the list earlier in the thread I thought there were too many. Then Xcalibur posted the math and I realized that 120 was a good number. Ilvane and you Nindy have brought up that it's actually less than that but even if it was 120, I no longer think it is too many.

After all, even if there was only a handful of new players a month, more mentors means it's easier for the newbie to get help and I'm all for that. I also appreciate you bringing up the different strengths. I am very focused on RP (not just for mentors, for everything) and had not considered the possibility that it might not be important for mentors. I don't know what the official mission statement is but my perception of it definitely includes RP. The other aspects you brought up might appeal more to others and perhaps it is a good thing that mentors vary so.

All that being said, I still think that hiring someone that is consistently OOC is a mistake and will always be a mistake. As was mentioned in a different thread, proofs that someone has changed should come before the hiring. If you find you have an all around great candidate except for this minor problem, a little coaching and "observation" period might do the trick. When you audition for something, you don't get hired based on the fact that "you'll get it right later." You're sent home to practice and when you can demonstrate you can do the job, you get it. If no one on the council was aware that the person this thread is about is OOC that much then all we can do is hope that she does change.

Oh and Nindy, I don't know when it was that you were "just a powerhealer" but it must have been many years ago for in my time I have seen you RP all the time.

[Nindy]

Aw, thanks.

<fluster>

~N

[Soulpieced]

Soulpieced says if there were more people like there were when I started, mentors would not be necessary.

[Orendis]

There have been a lot of posts on this thread, and the minority thus far have been from the Mentorly point of view. I'm not one of the Mentors' higher ups, like Nindy or Ilvane, so I don't have any sort of official answers for you regarding this perceived problem. In fact, I've only been Mentoring for less than two months, a full five weeks of which was training time for me.

There are probably some things that I cannot say, and more that I should not, but here's how it is:

The Mentors are an organization dedicated to helping novices and promoting roleplay. We are a volunteer society whose members set--for the most part--their own hours. The only rigid, quantifiable requirements for continued membership are that a Mentor must put in 6 hours of working time each month, and attend 2 Mentor meetings, which usually last for no longer than an hour. Qualitatively, Mentors must uphold standards of decent roleplay while on duty. They also subject themselves to the notice of the common player, other Mentors, the Council, GameHosts, and GameMasters. This includes the raising of complaints should a Mentor act in a way that is unbefitting to membership in the order.

I wanted to be a Mentor for quite some time, but I never really got up the courage to apply until a few friends encouraged me to do so. I'm fully aware of what an ass my character, Tierus, is. Nonetheless, I am glad now that the Mentor Council is not made up of some of the people who frequent this board. You see, it is their prerogative to judge people fairly, based on an applicant's skills, knowledge, and suitability for the society based on personal observances. This is where the flaw of humanity comes in to the equation: the members of the Mentor Council cannot be everywhere at once. They cannot intimately know every applicant. Even if there is public sentiment against someone, if the members of the Mentor Council who interview, accept, and induct that person may not have a complete understanding of that person's nature.

Through reading these boards, all I have seen is some selected evidence suggesting that Augie, Deevareeree, and Shinoboo (from an earlier thread) might be poor choices for the Mentor society. To immediately clarify, these are not necessarily opinions that I share. If all of the evidence presented is true, then perhaps they were not the best of choices. In that case, the mistake has been made. If there are extenuating circumstances, or the aforelisted statements are somehow invalid, then the three ladies in question have my abject apologies for subjecting them to further public humiliation.

To continue, however: the society can handle itself. The Mentors are structured and monitored in such a manner that mistakes have a way of righting themselves. It is by no means a perfect system. Otherwise, we as Mentors would not need monitoring, training, or leadership. There are still measures in place to ensure that we act appropriately. The application process, early probationary status and training, player and staff monitoring, and a chain of command essentially assure that problems will eventually be rooted out and solved. On this topic, it's also important to remember that no one is beyond some personal improvement. I have no doubt that if someone is willing to put in the time to become a Mentor and maintain their society status, they would be willing to work toward self-betterment if given the chance.

This is where your part comes in. Raising an issue on message boards, unofficial or official, only does so much. If you take particular offense at a standing Mentor's actions, I'd suggest that you provide some evidence and lodge a formal complaint by using feedback or writing to GameMaster Mindra at GS3-Mindra@play.net. (Please note that "I don't like this person, so he/she/it should not be a Mentor" is not acceptable evidence.) This is about the only way to ensure that a problem Mentor will be dealt with in a timely fashion.

Posting on the boards is well and good, but when it comes down to it, you are just venting. It takes some personal effort to effect change. I know the question "Why should I waste my time cleaning up your mess?" will arise, so I answer: "If you care enough to vent about it on some boards, quit whining and do something about it that makes a lasting change."

That's really about it. Logical summation? If the evidence stated here is correct, there is a problem. If not, there is no problem. If you are posting about this, you perceive a problem. If you are not, you don't. If there's a problem and you're posting about it, then you should deal with it.

That's the story. Now, I'm outta here.

Tierus's Dream Daemon

[Orendis]

See, and here's the thing. I for one agree with you. What limited interchanges I've had with Tierus have led me to believe he is a bit of an ass.

Just "a bit of an ass"?

Marry me.

Tierus's Dream Daemon

[Warriorbird]

So....seriously, Tierus....do you thing Augie's going to be a good Mentor?

:smile politely:

[Orendis]

So....seriously, Tierus....do you thing Augie's going to be a good Mentor?

Conan,

I don't think this needs addressing. I have had interactions, good and bad, with Augie. Really, I have had very few of either sort of interaction, so I do not know if what I witnessed was a trend or merely isolated incident.

I also cannot tell you what I would have done had she been presented before me as an applicant. It is the province of better men and women than I to make those decisions. Now that the decision is made, I, as a Mentor, will support it unless I see cause to do otherwise.

Given the situation, I would like to think that I would do as the Council did, and weigh the individual on her merits and flaws rather than what I had heard about her.

Tierus's Dream Daemon

[Back]

DIE DIE DIE!!!!!!!!!!!

[GS4Gurl]

No no really, Backlash, tell us how you REALLY feel!

[Betheny]

1. Augie is Warclaidhm as a halfling woman.

2. Has anyone ever been removed from mentoring? And how do you police your mentors?

120 mentors on the list, I'm going to assume there are 80 seperate individuals. I'm assuming Mindra polices them. One GM, 80 players.... not very reassuring.

I've had some very bad interactions with some mentors. I've been told that 'I"m a mentor don't mess with me'. I've been told a lot of things. And you know what? Five bucks says Mythala and Morelean are still mentoring.

Yeah, I decided to not reapply, because I haven't been playing GS lately, and I don't find myself missing it. I'm not sure I want to devote time I don't have to something I'm not go ing to care about if/when I decide to quit. And that if/when may be coming very soon.

[StrayRogue]

Simply:

I like some of the Mentors. I feel they do a good job. Newbies are in no better hands when they go to Ilvane, Tierus, Chica, Taylir etc. BUT, they are in bad hands when they go to idiots like Augie. Hence, I will not recommend anyone to go that society again. I believe in the good of the game, and Augie will not help this good if she cannot even herself maintain control of her character. You guys have made a grave mistake that no manner of excuse's and explanations will cover up.

[AnticorRifling]

Nindy, you need to put some empath he pimp man slaps on some of them.

[Ilvane]

Nindy RoX0r..

:grin:

-A

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Adhara
Oh and Parkbandit, as for your personal attack, I will say this. From what I have seen on these boards, you and I are almost never (or never period) on the same side. Our views in life must be diametrically opposed. Regardless, if that makes me a "rude holier than thou snert," then so be it. I am proud to be what I am. :)

I don't really remember a time where we seriously disagreed here... but I don't remember things too well since my scooter crash.

Oh shit.. that wasn't me.

Anyway... I simply believe there was a better way of saying that you didn't need help and that the Mentors are taking time out of playing a game to help new people. I find that a pretty honorable thing to do... and not worthy of half the hatred pointed towards them.

What perks do Mentors get anyways? Anything at all?

[HarmNone]

Nindy...::HarmNone ponders, scratching her head::

Are you the same Nindy that Mossrose used to use as a punching bag from time to time in TSC all those years ago? If so, there is no way you were, or are, a powerhealer only. Mossrose would have seen to it that you were permanently buried under the oak tree had you tried that silly stuff with her...or, at least, she would have sicked Imp on you! ;)

HarmNone thinks she remembers Nindy

[Betheny]

What benefits?

Someone told me a good way to get alters is to be a mentor. Heh.

[StrayRogue]

They have a global communication net that can talk to GMs and GH's. They can teleport to any city. It looks good on their record.

Dunno anything else, but there might be. That is only what I have encountered over my years.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Maimara
What benefits?

Someone told me a good way to get alters is to be a mentor. Heh.

I was talking about actual benefits.. not rumors and speculation. :P

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
They have a global communication net that can talk to GMs and GH's. They can teleport to any city. It looks good on their record.

Dunno anything else, but there might be. That is only what I have encountered over my years.

While they are working as Mentors I'm sure. I doubt if they can use these 'perks' as a player.

Needless to say, it sounds like the perks blow and maybe these folks are doing it to better a game and bring enjoyment to some new players.

I'm sure they can't even kill people or steal from them... so where exactly is the FUN in being a mentor anyways?

[StrayRogue]

I believe those benefits are on constantly.

[Edaarin]

Teleport to any city? ... Sign me up!

<= hates only being able to hunt in EN

[StrayRogue]

There are rules and regulations of course. It is not as easy to abuse as that sounds. However, with the communication network alone, I know I could abuse it.

The question is this:
Augie is mentoring a newbie. A merchant comes on, say Sukara. Does she keep helping the newbie, or drop everything and run to Sukara? I think her past points well to the answer.

[peam]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
The question is this:
Augie is mentoring a newbie. A merchant comes on, say Sukara. Does she keep helping the newbie, or drop everything and run to Sukara? I think her past points well to the answer.

You forgot the "LOG ON TO OTHER SIX ACCOUNTS" step between dropping the n00b and running to Sukara.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Nindy...::HarmNone ponders, scratching her head::

Are you the same Nindy that Mossrose used to use as a punching bag from time to time in TSC all those years ago? If so, there is no way you were, or are, a powerhealer only. Mossrose would have seen to it that you were permanently buried under the oak tree had you tried that silly stuff with her...or, at least, she would have sicked Imp on you! ;)

HarmNone thinks she remembers Nindy

It better be the same Nindy because I fully remember Mossrose as though it were yesterday. I remember Nindy sending me out for ale for him. I remember sitting in TSC with Nindy, Mossrose and a slew of other people. Those were the best empath times I ever had.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
There are rules and regulations of course. It is not as easy to abuse as that sounds. However, with the communication network alone, I know I could abuse it.

The question is this:
Augie is mentoring a newbie. A merchant comes on, say Sukara. Does she keep helping the newbie, or drop everything and run to Sukara? I think her past points well to the answer.

It's amazing what some responsibility will do for some people. I had a line level employee that was promoted to a supervisor... she wasn't all that as a line level, but florished as a supervisor.

I say bury the hatchet and give her a chance.

[Kurili]

Do what I do when you find a new one. Leave em somewhere, tell them you'll be right back, and go to Silverwood yourself and ring the bell. If you dont like the Mentor on Duty, then just help the newbie until one comes on you DO like.

I was very lucky last time I delivered a new one-Tierus was the Mentor that night. And so was the new one, if he had the sense to actually take the Mentoring. That one, I'm not sure did.

Acolyte Kurili

[SweetInnocent]

Wow...

I have so much I could say, but really I'm far to lazy to sit here and type a novel for you all.

What perks do we get as a mentor?

In my honest opinion, watching a new person to Elanthia walk off with a sense of belonging is enough for me. Or I'm sure you've noticed we all wear armbands, some with various stars set upon them, yeah... we get recognized and awarded with new stars as we hit milestones in our Mentor career, I happen to like that too.

Perks are funny really, of course we have the tools to travel to certain places within the realms, it's part of the job to be able to do so. Do you think for one moment we can just say, oh heck Icemule is cold, I'm running to Illistim... my friend is there cool!! No, we don't... why? We're constantly being monitored by GH's and GM's as well as the other mentors and doing what I said above, is an abusive use of mentor tools.

Mentoring is entirely a volunteer position. No one is making you like them, or not like them. I am biased, but you also don't need to bash a decent, as a whole, group of people offering their game time to help those who need it.

You'd be shocked and surprised to know just how many real novices there are out there, and just how many people come ringing the bell for help.

The thing you all need to try to keep in mind, said names being bashed aside, is that all of us mentors, are people too... we as humans DO make mistakes. I know mentoring has made me a better player to GemStone, am I perfect though... certainly not. Do I still make mistakes... all the time. Have things happened to me in game, emtionally to cause me to do what some may seem as ill for a mentor... probably. That aside, I earned my ranks within the Society, just as everyone else has to.

I was just talking to a newer mentor over this subject last night. He's been a mentor for maybe two months at the most, and when I said to him, "No one on the outside knows what it's really like on the inside." He couldn't have agreed more. Most of what is being spoken of is "speculation" for lack of a better word.

To answer another's question, have mentors been removed from the society... absolutely. Do we keep up with threads like this for our own health? No. Do we take what other players say to heart and keep our eyes open, yes. Do I believe openly bashing names is a nice thing to do, in game or out... no. I certainly have my "enemies" just like everyone else.

On another note, keeping up with threads as such really does help us weed out the "bad apples" as well. I know for one, I would second guess just about anyone I help interview if I were to have read a post about them bashing people, or the society in general... but that's just me. I tend to remember those people, and in honesty, those people don't make good mentors. Then again, we as a society are to be open-minded and give everyone the same chance as another.

I'm sure there are plenty of Taylir bashers out there, and that's fine, bash away. I do, however, try my damnedest to uphold myself as a decent person within the realms, I work hard at my duties as a mentor... and I do.. make mistakes.

Oh, and while I'm NOT writing my novel here, heh, as far as welcoming new novices to the lands... just becaue you may be able to RP a bit, doesn't necessarily mean you're familiar with GemStoneIII.... you could very well have been from any other RPG, and for that matter many of the histories/geographical wise, are the same in DragonRealms as they are in GemStone, we don't know, we're doing our job... for that should I be sorry if I didn't catch some RP'd phrase to a historical piece of GemStone.. nope, I'm not sorry for doing my job as expected of me, not one bit.

~Taylir Ye'Sidul, proud Mentor

[Wezas]

Originally posted by SweetInnocent
Wow...

I have so much I could say, but really I'm far to lazy to sit here and type a novel for you all.

:::novel:::

~Taylir Ye'Sidul, proud Mentor

I'm sure you had some valid points there, but I'm one to find the amusing aspects of posts.

[Nindy]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Nindy...::HarmNone ponders, scratching her head::

Are you the same Nindy that Mossrose used to use as a punching bag from time to time in TSC all those years ago? If so, there is no way you were, or are, a powerhealer only. Mossrose would have seen to it that you were permanently buried under the oak tree had you tried that silly stuff with her...or, at least, she would have sicked Imp on you! ;)

HarmNone thinks she remembers Nindy

That's me!

~N

[Kurili]

On another note, keeping up with threads as such really does help us weed out the "bad apples" as well. I know for one, I would second guess just about anyone I help interview if I were to have read a post about them bashing people, or the society in general... but that's just me. I tend to remember those people, and in honesty, those people don't make good mentors. Then again, we as a society are to be open-minded and give everyone the same chance as another.

***********


Soooo....am I to assume then, that those of us who have serious reservations, and expressed them, about Augie being a Mentor can just hang it up as far as applying to Mentor ourselves?

I could be confused, it's happened before. Happens a lot in fact. I do hope that isnt the issue however. Many here who think Augie is a poor choice are themselves very concientious roleplayers, and have nothing but the best interests of Elanthia at heart. To condemn anyone over things said here would be an injustice, in my opinion. This is an OOC forum, and no one has mentioned anything Augie has posted in the Simu forums, nor anything else that's happenned out of game. The concern is her OOCness IN game.

Acolyte Kurili

[Edited on 10-29-2003 by Kurili]

[AnticorRifling]

Forums here and the official should hold no water in an application for mentor. This is me talking and expressing my opinion not my character. If you carry it into the game you should retire yourself as a mentor.

[Kurili]

Thank you, Anticor! You said what I was trying to in so many fewer words.

Acolyte Kurili

[Adhara]

I must say I am not surprised to hear it. Actually I am surprised. I knew posting against a mentor would blacklist us all as future potential mentors. I just didn't expect anyone to come out and openly admit to it.

[Nindy]

I don't think she meant it like that.

Golly gee darnit, I'm promoting fairness, remember?! If you really want to be a mentor, have no warnings on your character/account, and aren't often involved in PvP type situations, chances are we'll (eventually) get you an interview.

Problem is, it can take a while. I think I waited a year and a half after my first application. The official word is that you should send a new one in every 6 months, but if you want it, I'd go every 3.

I've interviewed people I don't like plenty of times, and they're still (good) mentors. I'd like to think we're as professional as possible about it.

One problem I've heard people voice is that we don't get back to you if you don't get past the GM stage. We've discussed it, but I think it's better not to. Before you get upset, let's consider that it would probably be a canned message that the person would totally disagree with and become even more upset than they'd be if they'd not been told. As I said, "If you really want to be a mentor, have no warnings on your character/account, and aren't often involved in PvP type situations, chances are we'll (eventually) get you an interview."

~N

[SweetInnocent]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
Forums here and the official should hold no water in an application for mentor. This is me talking and expressing my opinion not my character. If you carry it into the game you should retire yourself as a mentor.

Absolutely not, anyone who applies to be a mentor, if they make it as far as our interview lists, will be treated as any other, which is why I stated at the end of that, that we are all open-minded as well. Just that some of us don't forget some bad things *some* people here are saying.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, you, me... everyone here. By all means, if you have something to offer the Mentor's, apply and put that to good use enhancing the enviroment for newer people.

Was just a small point, nothing more.

~Taylir

[Izalude]

Wow Taylir... I've been silent about this issue until now, but after reading your post I have to throw in my 2 cents.

What I gathered from your post is that all of us who post here regularly will be excluded from the Mentor society because we're too immature to handle situations quietly in character, in game.

You also openly admit that you carry a grudge.

Looking at this Objectively for a moment, is that a quality you want to have in a Mentor? If some novice comes out and says something that aggrivates you, will you refuse to help him or her in the future because you remember how he or she wronged you?

Taking stuff off these boards to be used against someone so that they'll never get to become a mentor is as bad if not WORSE than someone reading these forums or the official boards, and attacking them with it in game. It's blatantly OOC. OOC and IG are seperate. If you can't differentiate between the two, then you don't belong as a mentor.

Kevin
Izalude's Player

[StrayRogue]

I have no problems with the Mentor society. I just have problems with it's members, or atleast some. If by saying this blacklists me...well, its their loss. I for one know how to stay in character. Unlike a proportion of their volunteers.

[StrayRogue]

I am guessing Kev, is that to become a Mentor, you have to generally be an ass kisser *shrug*.

[Nindy]

Heh. No. I don't *think* I'm an ass kisser, but I s'pose they usually don't. <ponders>

If you look at some of the best mentors we've had, they weren't ass kissers. Setzier comes to mind right away.

I think Taylir's point was that we're all human, but we do our best to work around that stuff and give people a shot. I could be wrong, but that's okay, too. That's why we have a Council who decides, rather than 1 or 2 mentors. Everyone who applies has an equal shot based on the things I mentioned earlier once they reach our interview list.

~N

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Nindy
Heh. No. I don't *think* I'm an ass kisser, but I s'pose they usually don't. <ponders>

If you look at some of the best mentors we've had, they weren't ass kissers. Setzier comes to mind right away.

I think Taylir's point was that we're all human, but we do our best to work around that stuff and give people a shot. I could be wrong, but that's okay, too. That's why we have a Council who decides, rather than 1 or 2 mentors. Everyone who applies has an equal shot based on the things I mentioned earlier once they reach our interview list.

~N

By this logic, Haashek, or any idiot no matter how retarded they were, if they aced the interview and had no prior warnings, could become a Mentor. Smashing.

[Nindy]

Heh. I suppose he could, assuming he got past the GM background check, and was approved by the Council through the interview process.

~N

[StrayRogue]

And that is EXACTLY why I think it is a screwed up system.

[Nindy]

I don't think you give the Council enough credit, but I'm on it, so I'm naturally biased.

Still, I don't think "any idiot" can just ace an interview and become a mentor.

<shrug>

~N

[SweetInnocent]

Okay let's get a few things straight here.

YOU all said this was OOC, OG, whatever... which is where my post came from, it came from me as a person that plays a mentor, if you can get a grasp on that.

However, my point is this... you ARE here bashing some mentors, and you all have your valid points... none of which I've argued if you haven't noticed.

I haven't touched on the Augie subject, or the Deevareeree subject, or Mythala or any of the rest.

Why?

Because, even if this is an OOC board, you ARE voicing valid opinions of other players, are you not?

I'm sorry, but even if this is OOC and has nothing, according to what I'm hearing some of you say, with the game itself, rather thier players opinions, would it be right for me who plays a mentor to disregard your opinions? No it wouldn't, why? Because I'm a Mentor, even more so because I'm on the council.

I admire as well as take to heart some of the things you say, why? Because it may help me as a mentor weed a bad mentor out, because of things I was unaware of.

But if you can all be OOC about your opinions, why do you have to turn my post into "you gotta ass kiss" to become a mentor, do I not have the same rights as you do with my opinions?

So yes, I think this whole entire thread has nothing but double standards. You obviously are voicing your opinions, especially on Augie based on your opinion of how she RP's her character, and I as a mentor am taking that information to heart, and will watch her actions, why.. it's my job to do so.

Wasn't that your point, or did you just feel like bitching and badmouthing some, if not all of the society?

My point was valid as well, OOC or not, your actions affect everything you do, be it outside the game or not....

I believe someone even mentioned Augie's posts on the boards, offical or not her posts are HER in game are they? So why bicker about those?

Almost all of what I post on the offical boards is.. basically... OOC, heh, I announce contests in EASTERN time, not Elven... does that make me a bad mentor too?

Sheesh, I think everyone needs to count to ten and take a breather. Funny how you non-mentors can make your opinoins on others, but us mentors cannot... I feel as a player I should be able to make my statements just as you are. :shrug: Then again, maybe I should have continued to bite my tongue over all of it and let it slide and not take your words as a warning we might have to look further into anything, yeesh.

[Orendis]

Forums here and the official should hold no water in an application for mentor. This is me talking and expressing my opinion not my character. If you carry it into the game you should retire yourself as a mentor.

What is everyone doing here other than trying to effect a change in-game by denouncing these Mentors through use of the unofficial boards?

Certainly you're not all just trying to share some good old gripe time, right? You're trying to get a Mentor (or several) removed from the society, or at least getting us to reevalute our application process so that others 'like' them will not be admitted in the future.

I doubt that Taylir was intending what she said as a threat. Furthermore, I do not think that you people have been 'bashing' anyone, but rather raising some legitimate complaints backed up with facts.

I've certainly made no few enemies in my time as a player, but I made it into the society. Call my character whatever you like, but I'm really neither a tool nor an ass nor an asskisser. So...

...eh, I'm rambling. The point is that I do not think any of you will be slashed if you tried to apply for Mentoring. In fact, given the amount of concern and frustration for the good of the Society that you've shown in this thread, I'd suggest that a number of you do apply. It might be easier to understand the issue looking out of the window instead of looking in.

Tierus's Dream Daemon

[SweetInnocent]

I doubt that Taylir was intending what she said as a threat. Furthermore, I do not think that you people have been 'bashing' anyone, but rather raising some legitimate complaints backed up with facts.

---------

It was not a threat by any means, and I'm glad those of you who know me, know that. Of course, those who don't or are being on the defensive would think such. My point was, things said outside the game DO take a toll on how we view you as a mentor. Does that make you a bad person, no. As I stated in my last post, many of you have very good valid points that I was unaware of. Then there are some here, and if you wanna argue with me fine, that have shown they'd not be good mentor material as well. Or am I wrong in that opinion?

~Taylir

[Orendis]

By this logic, Haashek, or any idiot no matter how retarded they were, if they aced the interview and had no prior warnings, could become a Mentor. Smashing.

Heh. I suppose he could, assuming he got past the GM background check, and was approved by the Council through the interview process.

I don't think that the Mentors' self-policing mechanisms have really been stressed here. Why would any true snert want to subject himself to observation from GameMasters, GameHosts, Council members, Mentors, novices, and the playing populace at large in the role of a teacher? Despite what you might be assuming, the in-game rewards for Mentoring--which, though stated above, I doubt I should confirm or deny--are really not great enough to subject oneself to the sort of treatment that frequently occurs against Mentors.

Furthermore, take into account the work, the training, the time commitment, and all of these other factors.

I guess it comes down to this: people I know don't Mentor for the rewards. Some of the best Mentors I've met are people I'd never have expected from their player personas. Coincidentally, I have seen some great roleplayers I do not think would make great Mentors.

You have every right to take action if you see someone you see someone in the society that you have reasons for disapproving. Mentioning that here only shows me, and the other Mentors, that you are willing to complain for the sake of complaint. Doing something about the situation, like bringing up evidence-supported complaints with our Mentor GameMaster, shows that you are willing to be part of a change.

As I said before, it's rather obvious that you all care. You've certainly spent enough time on this thread. Rather than spending more groaning about it, why not spend half of that time sending a constructive e-mail and being part of the solution here?

Tierus's Dream Daemon

[Xcalibur]

[Off-topic and I even gave fair warning. Stop being dense and keep this train on track. Tsa`ah]

[Edited on 10-29-2003 by Tsa`ah]

[HarmNone]

In most of the posts in this thread, there has been no condemnation of the Mentors as a whole, as far as I could discern. I think most would agree that the Mentors provide a service that can be very helpful to new players. However, some of us have noted a flaw in the intake system, so to speak.

I run a fairly good-sized, non-profit organization that is involved in providing a service to the community in which I live. Input from that community as to how effective we are at providing that service is important to me. I may not always like to hear criticism, but I realize that it is invaluable to us as a bellweather of what the community sees as our purpose and how we are fulfilling their expectations. Therefore, I take it seriously and without malice toward those who offer their opinions, even if those opinions are not flattering at times.

I see the Mentors of Elanthia as the same type of organization. The comments of players who post in this forum can be very valuable to the leadership of the Mentors in formulating more efficient ways of serving their community in the best possible way, simply because these posters are seeing things from the outside, and their opinions are not colored by their wish to believe that they are not making mistakes. We all have the need to feel that we are doing the very best job possible. Outside opinions, no matter how hard they may be to take at times, give us the ability to really do that. They help us to know when change is needed, and where our efforts might be concentrated to make our service even more useful to those who benefit from it.

Hopefully, what has been said here will lead to new and better methods for choosing mentors. When this many "red flags" go up within the community about the services my organization provides, I take notice. It has saved me from a public "black eye" more than once, believe me!

HarmNone hopes the criticism here will be taken home and put to work :)

[Gan]

Originally posted by Izalude
Wow Taylir... I've been silent about this issue until now, but after reading your post I have to throw in my 2 cents.

What I gathered from your post is that all of us who post here regularly will be excluded from the Mentor society because we're too immature to handle situations quietly in character, in game.

You also openly admit that you carry a grudge.

Looking at this Objectively for a moment, is that a quality you want to have in a Mentor? If some novice comes out and says something that aggrivates you, will you refuse to help him or her in the future because you remember how he or she wronged you?

Taking stuff off these boards to be used against someone so that they'll never get to become a mentor is as bad if not WORSE than someone reading these forums or the official boards, and attacking them with it in game. It's blatantly OOC. OOC and IG are seperate. If you can't differentiate between the two, then you don't belong as a mentor.

Kevin
Izalude's Player

well said.

its a fine line bringing IG issues to these boards(OOG) then not taking what is discussed (feelings, animosities, impressions both positive and negative)about the IG issues back into the game. I think the ability to walk that line without crossing directly coorelates to the level of maturity of the character/player/poster.
IMHO of course.

oh yea, and another thing.. its just a game, its just a game, its just a game, its just a game... dont take things personal.

[StrayRogue]

Good points aside Tierus, but I'm will not waste my time emailing or posting on the official boards. I tried to do that very recently and got no attention. Of course my poster name is not Haxley, Carabelle etc. If I thought it would help, I'd bother. But I don't think it will. Of course this is my opinion. Others...feel free.

[SweetInnocent]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Hopefully, what has been said here will lead to new and better methods for choosing mentors. When this many "red flags" go up within the community about the services my organization provides, I take notice. It has saved me from a public "black eye" more than once, believe me!

HarmNone hopes the criticism here will be taken home and put to work :)

HarmNone, thank you. This is the point I was making all along. Because of boards like this, official or not, in game or not, said directly to me or as a post, or an email or what have you... I. as a mentor will use such information to bring the best for the society.

I thought maybe everyone would see that in my very first post, guess not.

~Taylir

[Nindy]

Originally posted by HarmNone
HarmNone hopes the criticism here will be taken home and put to work :)

That's the reason I've been posting, really. I (we) take your criticism seriously, especially that of the constructive sort, but I also wanted to be here to clarify questions and/or misconceptions.

I'll be the first to admit that the system isn't perfect, and I appreciate the support we've been shown as an organization.

~N

[HarmNone]

It seems to me that the things we have said here ARE being taken seriously by those who are operative in the management of the Mentor organization. Several of them seem to be here, listening and posting.

That is really all we can ask, people. Now, we need to give them a chance to act on the information they have been given. If what we have said is helpful, and I believe that much of it has been, the Mentors will become an even better organization because of it. That says something good about all of us, whether Mentors or players or, like me, just posters. :D

HarmNone is still fond of Elanthia, even though she no longer dies there

[StrayRogue]

Yep, I suppose your right HN. I'm never around Newbies enough these day to have any effect anyway.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Yep, I suppose your right HN. I'm never around Newbies enough these day to have any effect anyway.

Heh. That is probably a Very Good Thing, Stray! ;)

HarmNone brandishes her Vorpal Whomping Stick of Ultimate Doom at StrayRogue. You notice a twinkle of amusement in her eye.

[StrayRogue]

You certainly like your big whomping sticks don't you hun? Another trick taught by your mother perchance?? :D

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Maimara
What benefits?

Someone told me a good way to get alters is to be a mentor. Heh.

I was talking about actual benefits.. not rumors and speculation. :P

Um, actually, mentors get Alterations. The longer they "mentor" the more "points" they get. These points can be used for alterations..the last "mentor" merchant I heard of was doing altars, lightning, deepening, and adding scripts to some items.

-Adredrin

[StrayRogue]

Thats Hosts, I believe.

[Trinitis]

Nope, its mentors, trust me..a good friend IRL is a mentor, and was telling me how cool his in game father is for giving up a point so he could get an altar too.

-Adredrin

[Chyrain]

Um...I think I've done my share of complaining about characters in the game here and I was still accepted as a mentor.

I think the difference is that I don't go out of my way to be a jackass in the game and make other PLAYERS miserable because I don't like them.

Everyone deserves to voice their complaints and not be "punished" or "blacklisted." The only things GMs do is weed out those who take those complaints and cause trouble above and beyond. Hence not letting those in who have had official warnings. Sure, I've been pulled up to talk to a GM. I've even had to read the policy over. MAYBE twice in 5 years. There are people I dislike in the game and if someone starts a thread about them here, I'm sure I'll give my 2 cents. But what I wont do is take my feelings about whatever situation in the game and cross the line. If y'all just stay on the good side of the line in regards to policy, chances are you'll be contacted for an interview sometime. Each one of you probably has something that the mentor society needs, be it your knowledge of stats and mechanics or your freakishly weird knowledge about every single weapon, sheild and armor set in the lands and its breakage. I applied about 6 times before I got an interview.

And some mentors do focus on planning events and doing projects. Not everyone is sitting there answering newbie questions 6 hours a day.

[SweetInnocent]

Originally posted by Lady Daina
Anyway, I guess I just wanted you to know that I had to work to do it, but I do understand the point you were trying to make. :)

I certainly do understand that my wording wasn't at all perfect, that's not one of my strong points. But I do thank you for stepping up and saying what you did.

I of course aplogize to all who thought I meant something bad by what I said, when in actuallity it was meant more so as a good thing.

Hopefully that point has been brought out within the several posts following my first, as it did for you.

Sincerely
~Taylir

[Xcalibur]

scratch my back while i'm scratching yours

Gm's philosophy
Gh's philosophy
Mentor's philosophy
Simu's philosophy

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
scratch my back while i'm scratching yours

Gm's philosophy
Gh's philosophy
Mentor's philosophy
Simu's philosophy

I don't get it.

So you think Mentors shouldn't get anything for helping out with the new players of the game?

[HarmNone]

It would seem only fair to me that those who give their time to help new players entering the game be given some special treatment in recognition of their efforts on behalf of the game. I cannot imagine that anyone would have a problem with that. If you want to partake of said "perks", get off your duff and help out!

HarmNone figures you get what you earn :D

[Kurili]

My current duffs are not well-trained enough HarmNone, and the other, older duffs are on hold for the time being.

Soon, got the Sorcerous duff getting close to twenty. And the Warrior isnt too far behind.

Acolyte Kurili

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
You certainly like your big whomping sticks don't you hun? Another trick taught by your mother perchance?? :D

Heh. Oh, yes. She has a whomping stick of her very own, covered with runes of destruction with my name written in them. ;)

HarmNone knows when to duck, though

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Kurili
My current duffs are not well-trained enough HarmNone, and the other, older duffs are on hold for the time being.

Soon, got the Sorcerous duff getting close to twenty. And the Warrior isnt too far behind.

Acolyte Kurili

What the heck! The upshot of this whole thread may be to get the Mentors some darned good new members coming in. :)

HarmNone thinks Kurili would be great

[Kurili]

Thanks. I really did intend to apply before I went to Plat. I like helping out when I can. So as soon as these girls get older, I'll apply.

Acolyte Kurili

[CrystalTears]

Now I feel all inspired to apply. :D

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Xcalibur
scratch my back while i'm scratching yours

Gm's philosophy
Gh's philosophy
Mentor's philosophy
Simu's philosophy

I don't get it.

So you think Mentors shouldn't get anything for helping out with the new players of the game?

Simu's way to get the most job done with the less dollars lost is to give compensation.

So instead of hiring 2-3 person, they give privilege about the game some people get by cash hunting 4-5 days, role play like an actor would do in a theater tragedy, et cetera.

No, they should be rewarded, about that you're right. I just disagree that about 50% of the whole population of the game works for simu (exagerating a bit)

[CrystalTears]

Exaggerating a lot. 120 mentors and what, let's just exaggerate with 120 GMs and hosts. That's 50% of the population? Give me a break.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by LordAdredrin
Nope, its mentors, trust me..a good friend IRL is a mentor, and was telling me how cool his in game father is for giving up a point so he could get an altar too.

-Adredrin

If this is true then, I guess we have found our number 1 reason why Augie is a mentor.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Now I feel all inspired to apply. :D

Do it! You would be good at it, I am sure. If one can moderate these boards and not totally lose one's cool every 10 minutes around the clock, one should be able to mentor with no problem at all. ;)

HarmNone thinks CT would do great!

[Ilvane]

I certainly don't think that someone who posts concerns here would not be picked as a mentor canidate on that basis. I disagree with things all the time, actually..you can ask the other council, I'm a pain in the behind sometimes. :lol:

-A

I just took out some of my ranting.;)

[Edited on 10-31-2003 by Ilvane]

[GS4Gurl]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Xcalibur
scratch my back while i'm scratching yours

Gm's philosophy
Gh's philosophy
Mentor's philosophy
Simu's philosophy

I don't get it.

So you think Mentors shouldn't get anything for helping out with the new players of the game?

No they shouldn't. Once they hear of the rewards then it isn't about helping people its about the rewards. I was told that the Mentors got alters too. I heard someone say they were going to apply to be a Mentor cus they want more alters, ugh that just made my stomach turn.

Knowing Augie and how much of a merchant hound she is. I wouldn't at all be surprised if this was her motivation. Considering also her attitude towards newbies before she became a Mentor. There was a noob in the park asking questions aloud instead of helping she said, shut up newbie and go back to the turnip farm. People scoweled at her and then another person took the newbie by the hand and helped him out. This was a recent occurance a few months before she became a Mentor.

Now she suddenly wants to help newbies? I just find that a bit hard to believe considering all I have heard and seen.

Naturally, people come here to say how they feel about it because you can't talk about this on the Official boards because you either get chewed out by some ass kisser or the post gets pulled. They just can't take the constructive criticisim and actually learn from it. They have to get all defensive and pretend it doesn't exist.

No one here is bashing these people. You can notice this if you read with a mature and unbiased mind. These people want to improve the game and feel frustrated when someone like Augie is going to TEACH newbies. Augie needs a bit of teaching before she becomes a Mentor. THis is quite clear. Just understand people are not at all referring to her roleplaying a nutty girl. No not at all. People are upset because this person is constantly OOC. People already feel GS has gone down the tubes and it seems more hopeless when a blatant OOC person is now going to Mentor.

Does this make any sense?

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by GS4GurlNo they shouldn't. Once they hear of the rewards then it isn't about helping people its about the rewards. I was told that the Mentors got alters too. I heard someone say they were going to apply to be a Mentor cus they want more alters, ugh that just made my stomach turn.


That's like saying I shouldn't work for money... which I do 6 days a week. Because I get paid for my job.. does that mean I don't try and help my customers?

Whenever you ask someone to do a job for you... no matter how small, there should be something that motivates them to do a good job. If Augie joined the Mentors for the sole purpose to get alterations.. then she better do a good job as a mentor to maintain that perk.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by GS4GurlKnowing Augie and how much of a merchant hound she is. I wouldn't at all be surprised if this was her motivation. Considering also her attitude towards newbies before she became a Mentor. There was a noob in the park asking questions aloud instead of helping she said, shut up newbie and go back to the turnip farm. People scoweled at her and then another person took the newbie by the hand and helped him out. This was a recent occurance a few months before she became a Mentor.


One of the characters my halfling use to hate alot was Setzier. That bastard would laugh and laugh everytime my wizard would die in Sheru. He wouldn't lift a stinking finger to help me.. he would simply smirk and walk away.

He didn't help me at all, yet he has been a successful mentor.

[Adhara]

When you do volunteer work you rarely (I've never seen it personally) receive material compensation. The feeling of having helped in some way is enough.

Mentoring is not a job one can do for a living. Therefore I tend to think it should be real volunteer work with no compensation other than knowing you are bettering the lands. This does not include the work tools such as transworld fogging but mostly alterations. That mentors get alterations is not a well kept secret. Perhaps the quality of future applicants would improve if such a perk was removed.

Just my opinion of course.

[Edited on 10-29-2003 by Adhara]

[GS4Gurl]

I don't know working at a job to feed yourself and your family and volunteer work are two different things. I was under the impression that volunteer work was just done out of the kindness of ones heart without the expectation of payment or rewards.

Silly me, what was I thinking?!

[GS4Gurl]

Originally posted by Adhara
When you do volunteer work you rarely (I've never seen it personally) receive material compensation. The feeling of having helped in some way is enough.

Mentoring is not a job one can do for a living. Therefore I tend to think it should be real volunteer work with no compensation other than knowing you are bettering the lands. This does not include the work tools such as transworld fogging but mostly alterations. That mentors get alterations is not a well kept secret. Perhaps the quality of future applicants would improve if such a perk was removed.

Just my opinion of course.

[Edited on 10-29-2003 by Adhara]

My thoughts exactly.

[Kurili]

I was unaware that there were perks such as those now being discussed...until now. It doesnt matter to me, anyway. I dont go out of my way to find merchants as it is much. Too much bother. So, when I do apply, it'll be as I thought it was...just to help new people to Elanthia.

Hope that didnt sound too ridiculous, but it's true.

Acolyte Kurili

[larktrill]

I am a member of the mentor society.

1. Powers

Upon induction I became possessed of the awesome powers granted to any Welcome Wagon Lady in America, because that is what I am.

I have the power to find new people in town. I have the power to teach them how to find the shops and services they will need. I can tell them where Tsoran's maps are, and how to use HELP and ADVICE and GRIN HELP. I try and make them feel comfortable, and tell them where people 'hang out' so they can make a few friends.

2. Rules

Someone asked if there are rules. Yes. Mentors are not allowed to gain ANY benefits not available to other players. If you see a mentor doing something wrong capture the event and send it to Mindra with the time and place it occured. You can get Mindra's address from her recent post on the regular GS boards under Organizations and Societies in the Mentor folder.

“Wrong” does not mean RPing in a way that is not to your taste. There will always be people who rub our fur the wrong way, that does not make them wrong, just personally annoying.

3. Why people become Mentors:

What ever their reasons for joining, no one STAYS a mentor to increase their personal wealth and glory. I can honestly say the time I've spent being a mentor has kept me from hitting the cap (sorry SP, you gotta drag my stinky corpse in GS4) and taken me away from working merchants. I have lost 10’s of millions of silvers because I use much of my GS-available time being helpful instead of killing Ithzir and purifying gems.

Anyone who joins the mentors with the goals of wealth and self-aggrandizement will be very disappointed and will not last


So what do we get out of it? I love it when someone whispers 'Thank you SO much. I was so lost when I got here, you really helped me.' Folk I have helped introduce me to their sweethearts, invite me to their weddings, stop and chat and show me their treasurers and tell me their stories.

I consider the other mentors good friends, I enjoy their company.

I treasure this make believe place we create every day when we log into Gemstone, and I want to improve it. If this sounds appealing, put in an application, and then be patient. Yes, I’m sorry, be patient. I submitted more than one application. I don’t know what happened the 6 or 9 months I waited, but here I am now.

4. Pawning off new folk on experienced players:

::Lady Larktrill removes her gloves for this one:::

I am really sorry that someone ruined your otherwise perfect day by asking you to speak with a new player. It does no one any good to have new-born ookers continually stumbling into Silverwood to whisper all their problems into a mentor’s ear. The fastest way I can think of to get people over that annoying baby-ook stage is to help them fit into the community and experience good Role Playing. If you are so busy and important that you are offended by being asked to speak to someone new, you have lost your right to complain about the deplorable state of RP in your town. You had a chance to improve things, and you refused it. Don’t expect the mentors to bring you newly birthed 100% perfect little role players, it ain’t gonna happen. There is a growing process, and we can’t supervise someone until they are perfect. We all fell off of the turnip wagon at one time or another, we all needed help, and we still all need friends. I am going to give Devareeree a hug, it sounds like she’s doing just the right thing.

One day I will learn to be brief, one day.

Ich bien ein mentor

Larks

[Ilvane]

I agree that passing on a mentor is nice, because they get to know new people in town, but we do have to be careful not to give the impression that the mentor does not want to help the person because they are asking too many questions, of course.:)

-A

[Hips]

I had someone (Joloven) suggest to me the other day that I become a Mentor, but the way you people jumped on Augie's case scares me... and now I'm afraid to apply.

:/

[Tsa`ah]

I think it's a good thing that perks are offered, but at the same time it lends credence to Ilvane's concerns.

Perhaps it is my fault for assuming but I thought everyone knew about the mentor tools and what they are used for. It has been stated many times on the official boards that these are tools, not perks. I would guess any mentor using the 'porting tool regularly while off duty would be summarily dismissed. I do seem to recall there was a short lived uproar over a few mentors using it while on Teras.

It has been pointed out by others that the issue is not with the Mentor's as a whole. It is a select few and the interview/selection process. It has been suggested that there be a period of observation before the interview process. Perhaps there already is, but it is obviously not on the council level.

With the likes of Augie now in the ranks of the Mentors I think it is safe to say the system does not work. I think you need to take a page from the Black Tower and observe your candidates in action prior to even considering them for membership.

I have no doubt Augie is in this for the alterations. Why else collect the points for answering the bell or appearing before a new comer only to pawn them off on a non-member. My take on her, and a select other few in the society, is that of a total idiot who should not be allowed to interact with true new comers.

[Nindy]

Originally posted by GS3 Michiko
I had someone (Joloven) suggest to me the other day that I become a Mentor, but the way you people jumped on Augie's case scares me... and now I'm afraid to apply.

:/

Don't be.

~N

[Hips]

Originally posted by Nindy

Originally posted by GS3 Michiko
I had someone (Joloven) suggest to me the other day that I become a Mentor, but the way you people jumped on Augie's case scares me... and now I'm afraid to apply.

:/

Don't be.

~N

Heh... I also heard you guys don't need rangers. So... meh. *shrugs*

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by GS3 Michiko
Heh... I also heard you guys don't need rangers. So... meh. *shrugs*

Actually I heard the opposite. Someone told me that I should be a mentor because they could use another good roleplayer and ranger. The only reason I didn't is because my ranger is only 15. However when GS4 hits she'll be 18. Two more levels and I just might. :)

[Hips]

Odd, I heard they needed bards. Hmmm...

I don't think I know enough to be one, though. Otherwise I think I would have taken Joloven up on his suggestion. :)

[StrayRogue]

Personally, the way most of the mentors have been posting, to me, has been in a very defensive, a very "fuck you, we'll do it how we want, we help, you don't" kind of way. I brought up the point they have inducted someone who does not RP well into an organisation that is suppose to aid new RPers. They've made a mistake IMHO and this self righteous, "they may be flawed, but we're better than you" attitude, wears thin.

[BroVod]

Sheesh i thought the threads about me and warclaidhm we're bad, but this is rediculous. All you people talking negative about Augie obviously don't know her. She is one of the best role players in the lands, and is a very close friend of mine. She never actively persues anyone in malice or does anything to harm someone who has done anything to her, if she even takes action. You people are just jealous blood thirsty hounds with nothing better to do then hurt the feelings of this poor girl because you we're probably turned down by the menotrs yourselves. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Have you even seen her in action yet as a mentor? Can you critique her mentoring ability? Who do you think you are?
I highly doubt being a mentor gives anyone special privledges to get more alters made or get more merchant work done. If merchants took special favortism against people, i would a bajion more alters than I do. I don't get picked every time, and neither does she. You guys need to lay off a bit.
I think Augie's gonna make a great mentor, and i stand firmly behind her, for those of you who disagree, you know where you can stick it =)
My 2 cents for now

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by BroVod
She is one of the best role players in the lands, and is a very close friend of mine. She never actively persues anyone in malice or does anything to harm someone who has done anything to her, if she even takes action.

So your idea of a good role player is a pacifist in a game where the only way to advance is to brutally slaughter or enable others to slaughter countless beings with some level of sentience?
I've never met Augie... or maybe I did... either way... did StrayRogue really say he was humble? Huh. Which one of these smiley things is a winking smiley, anyway? ;) There we go.

I remember now, Augie's the Official Tart Girl of Elanthia or somesuch, right? I think my cleric got along with her pretty well, seeing as how they were both about as sharp as a pound of wet leather. (and twice as leathery)

[StrayRogue]

Augie abuses act and smile and goes OOC alot. No, she is definately not one of the "greatest Rpers" in the lands. One who thinks so is either massively bias, whom you claimed to be, or severly lacking in friends with RP quality.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by BroVod
You people are just jealous blood thirsty hounds with nothing better to do then hurt the feelings of this poor girl because you we're probably turned down by the menotrs yourselves. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Have you even seen her in action yet as a mentor? Can you critique her mentoring ability? Who do you think you are?

I haven't seen her a mentor but that doesn't mean I haven't seen her as a roleplaying character and disagree with that decision. Hell I even said that she might be a good mentor and prove me wrong. But to say that I'm jealous of her is laughable. I didn't have a good experience with her the times that I interacted with her and saw her acting on. And I haven't applied to be mentor so that's not an issue either. However I'm free to give my opinion and I obviously am not the only one who feels that the decision may have been a wrong one for once. I could be wrong and she may actually be good at it. I'm hoping for the best.

[StrayRogue]

Yes I laughed too. But then, she is the paradign of RP ability, ah CT. Who do I think I am? Someone who knows his arse from his elbow in regards to games mechanics and remaining IC, unlike Augie.

[StrayRogue]

Ironically, I am not suprised one merchant hound likes the other. Nor am I suprised one person with questionable taste, and I use this term fucking lightly, likes someone similar. Ah well.

[GemstoneFan]

All I have to say, is

THERE IS NO "E" IN RIDICULOUS!!!!


:: runs away shrieking ::

[Nindy]

I don't think Tierus, Ilvane or I have been all that defensive, really. We're just addressing your concerns as best we can.

~N

[HarmNone]

It seems to me as though the interchanges here have been pretty civil, for the most part. If the parties involved can just agree to ignore those who would derail the process into a name-calling (or name-defending) debacle, I would be willing to bet that much can be learned by everyone involved. :)

HarmNone is learning, too

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Nindy
I don't think Tierus, Ilvane or I have been all that defensive, really. We're just addressing your concerns as best we can.

~N

and some do notice that even though I am biased towards your posts because I like Nindy in the game

[BroVod]

So i'm a bad person because i get work done? And you are a better person because you don't work done?

[Kurili]

One of the characters my halfling use to hate alot was Setzier. That bastard would laugh and laugh everytime my wizard would die in Sheru. He wouldn't lift a stinking finger to help me.. he would simply smirk and walk away.

He didn't help me at all, yet he has been a successful mentor.
*******************


As I recall, Setzier's RP was that of a Priest of Sheru. Therefore, why would he assist someone who was robbing his own deity's temple and killing his faithful?

When my Cleric followed Sheru, she would go to the Monastery on rescues, only if no one else could, and only to "Remove the refuse stinkng up our Temple". And I'm not near the Roleplayer Setzier's player is.

Acolyte Kurili

[Edited on 10-30-2003 by Kurili]

[Nindy]

Originally posted by theotherjohn

and some do notice that even though I am biased towards your posts because I like Nindy in the game

Thanks.

~N

[Betheny]

I like Nindy.

I like Mentors.

Not more than two, maybe three, weeks ago, my little warrior asked if there was a locksmith around on the amulet, and Augie straight up said that she should stop whining and shut up. Why?

A few hours before that, she started sweeping me for no reason in the park.

Sorry. I'll never agree with the decision to let her mentor. And I'll never mentor, myself. Not that it really matters, in all honesty. But I think I'd have made a pretty good mentor.

Then again, maybe she'll stop being a jackass.

"People never improve unless they look to some standard or example higher or better than themselves." - Tryon Edwards (1809-1894)

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Kurili
One of the characters my halfling use to hate alot was Setzier. That bastard would laugh and laugh everytime my wizard would die in Sheru. He wouldn't lift a stinking finger to help me.. he would simply smirk and walk away.

He didn't help me at all, yet he has been a successful mentor.
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As I recall, Setzier's RP was that of a Priest of Sheru. Therefore, why would he assist someone who was robbing his own deity's temple and killing his faithful?

When my Cleric followed Sheru, she would go to the Monastery on rescues, only if no one else could, and only to "Remove the refuse stinkng up our Temple". And I'm not near the Roleplayer Setzier's player is.

Acolyte Kurili

[Edited on 10-30-2003 by Kurili]

Someone had mentioned that Augie roleplayed being mean to a newbie in the park.. was showing a case where roleplaying someone mean doesn't necessarily make them a bad mentor.

[AnticorRifling]

I'd apply but I still don't feel I know enough.

how did this thread get 11 pages long overnight?