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Summertime
07-05-2006, 09:33 AM
I enjoyed the movie.. it was an excellent film, and lots of fun... however.. the hype is just that.. hype.

I had a few problems with the film as well.

First.. people who keep saying that Brandon was 'channeling' Chris.. or whatnot.. lay off the weed. The ONLY thing they had in common, were hair style & color, skin pallor, and BASIC weight. If you look at Christopher during scenes of Superman, he has a relaxed and natural poise to him. He's large, without being overly toned or cut, giving him a larger 'look', as well as a better face. It's fuller, more innocent looking.

Routh however, was cut & lean, VERY lean. it gave him a tense and rigid look, as if he couldn't relax. Also, Routh never smiles, never implies the simple innocent joy of what it means to be able to help people, and hardly emotes anything other then vague constipation/blank stare.

Did I LIKE him as Clark/Kal? Yes... but stop saying he looked just like Chris.

I like Kevin Spacey, I really do. NOONE does the whiney, nasal sociopath better then him, and he COULD have REALY knocked this out of the park for me... as he acted very well with what he had to work with... but Lex's entire motivation for what he was doing was 300% pure horseshit. At least Hackman's Lex KNEW he was a genius up front, and a simple conman at heart. He openly and happily admitted he was going to be "...causing the deaths of MILLIONS of innocent people.", and perpetrate the greatest real estate swindle of all time. The motivation fit with the character, and with the actions being taken. In a sort of 'comic book' logic, it was workable.

Spacey's Lex however, was self defeating stupidity. Introduce a massive new land mass, flood the existing land masses, kill billions of people. Ok.. Problem is, every form of modern industry would collapes, as the people wouldn't be there to operate or support them. Supply and demand would be over, and the world would plunge into a new Dark Age as modern technology was forced to be abandoned. Money would have no meaning as the World Economy will have long since collapsed, so who the hell is going to buy land on this new jagged crystal dump?

As for the continent of Kryptonite.. that wasn't so tuff to get behind. Its not REALLY Kryptonite, but the closest thing the crystals can create with the raw materials at hand within Earth's oceans. Maybe a little tweaking and twisting, a bit of electron valence boosting.. so its REALLY close to being actual green K, but not so much that Kal drops to the ground as soon as he got to the growing land mass.

Also, Kal is angry at this point... and I don't know about you, but I was working on some shelving once and was pissed-off about some bent fixtures fresh out of the box, and it took me almost a full minute to realize I was shorting a Lantern Battery with the screwdriver in my hand & was being shocked. Sometimes being angry clouds your awareness.

Kate Bosworth? Nice gal.. well acted, but she's just too damn young. There is also an anoying plot screwup. Perry and Lois are talking in his Office, he's telling her to enjoy, as it's 'HER night', and from what they are saying, it sounds like she's getting an award for a new article she's written, and then all the power goes hinkey again. What artical are they talking about? Not the Pulitser "Why the World Doesn't Need Superman"... and there hasn't been any time for her to have written anything else. It just left me scratching my head in wonder.. as in "WTF are they refering to?"

Anyways, I can buy her as a young, unwed mother... but an established respected reporter at what is likely one of the leading Papers in the world? Not a chance.

The kiddo did just fine, I like him.... but they kinda painted themselves into a corner with that one. Gonna have to wait & see how this one goes.

Something that also struck me as grotesque.. the old lady, just as she dies, says "You've shown me such pleasures..."

I'm sorry.. but to that I have 2 words:

Fucking EWWWWWWWWWW

That's just NAS-TAY

Anyways, I had an idea for the next film. It starts off as a sort of Prequel, with Supes going back to the location of Krypton. He finds lots of debris, but no survivors. AS he's there, the lethal radiation from all the Green K starts wreaking havoc with his ship. He's detected and saved by members of the Green Lantern Corp, who were investigating the intrusion into restricted space (they know about him, and try to keep souvinere hunters out. They are able to get him back on his way to Earth, and all seems fine.

As the Lanterns are leaving the sector, they detect a REALLY minor life-sign. They investigate, and find a pod with a girl stashed inside. THe pod is damaged, and is running low on energy. The Lanterns access the ships logs, and find that it had failed to launch in time to avoid the planets destruction, and had used nearly all of it's energy trying to protect the occupant. Without enough to initiate a jump into accelerated/hyperspace.... the ship was trapped in the graveyard of Krypton's debries.

One of the Lanterns starts charging the ships powercells, while another attempts to to what repairs are possible. As the systems come back online with renewed power, the ship detects Kal-El's ship departing, and attempts to persue, even though the ship is still badely damaged. It (the ship) leaps into a partially sucessful accellerated space entry, and is gone before the Lanterns can stop it.

Cue the replay of snippets of the 'Returns' film... and cut to Superman averting some kind of disaster in the world. As he goes about his work, a signal interrupts him, almost painfully. It's coming from his Fortres, which has just detected the other ship emerging from a partially collapsed opening leading out of Accellerated Space. The ship returns the signal, and it starts to come apart due to amage sustained from improper Hyperspace entry. It begins to fall into the atmosphere, and as Superman hurrys to finish saving lives (in China maybe.. *shrug*), the ship crash-lands into Kal's fortress.

He arrives only moments later and sees what appears to be blood splattered within the confines of the inner chamber. He rips open the lid and finds a young girl inside, with a large crystal from the fortress impaling both the ship and her thru the chest. She's dying, and Kal is obviously torn between getting her to help and breaking the crystal off and pulling her body clear. He hears the chime from within the ship, and subtitles translate, "Power failure.. Life signs critical, power failure, lifesigns critical. Resucitation failure, power failure, life signs critical..." repeating over and over as other chimes start declaring various systems collapsing. Kal zips over to his crystaline console, and pulls the green crystal (yeah, the one that saved him in S2 and S4), from its place. He zips back to the damaged ship, and jams it into what looks like some kind of control matrix. A massive wave of energy explodes from the ship, throwing Kal miles thru walls of crystal & ice before he can stop his momentum. The girl in the ship goes rigid as the crystal impaling her explodes. He entire body arches as she screams in agony. Kal is there instantly, holding her as she shakes uncontrollably.

While Kal is up in the fortress with who will be revealed to be his cousin Kara from Argo City, the wave has flowed across the entire surface of the planet. It's shown moving across people all over the world, and asside from some odd flickering of lights and electronic 'fidgiting', no-one seems to have taken notice.

Except 3 people.... each in a different part of the world.

General Zod

Ursa

Non

Each in turn look slightly wide- eyed & surprised, as they can feel long dead powers slowely returning. Zod stands up in his cell, walks to the door, and gives it a tentative, experimental 'nudge'. It twists crazily, flying open at an odd angle as 1 hinge BARELY holds. With a deep breath, he alternately clenches & flexes his fists, a positively maniacle look in his eyes as his breath hisses thru his gritted teeth.

THINK about it... this could work ...

Superman, Supergirl, and the 3 Super Villians... given todays technology & awareness of stunt work.. doesn't the possibility just make your palms sweaty???

CrystalTears
07-05-2006, 09:36 AM
Heh, dude, it's just a movie. Relax.

Parkbandit
07-05-2006, 09:48 AM
While I am a huge fan of big breasted women in spandex.. I say no to Supergirl.

I didn't really like the movie.. mostly because I am bored to death of Lex Luther and his super evil genius 'power'. Bored to tears. Give me some more action than 3 scenes. Give me more fights.. give me a villian that can stand toe to toe with Superman and he actually has to think to beat him.

I'm currently bored of Superman and can't wait for the new Spiderman and new Batman movies to come out.

CrystalTears
07-05-2006, 09:50 AM
I'm currently bored of Superman and can't wait for the new Spiderman and new Batman movies to come out.
QFT!

Jenisi
07-05-2006, 10:30 AM
My summary: Brandon was fucking hot. Lex was overplayed and the fucking "I'm going to build a new earth" story bored the fucking crap out of me. The kid being superman's son was completely obvious. But I liked looking at Brandon the whole time (don't worry I still love Kellen, hehe, I'm allowd to think superman is hot) Overall it wasn't bad, but it definatly wasn't amazing. I'd give it a B-.

Daniel
07-05-2006, 10:50 AM
Dude, get laid.

Stretch
07-05-2006, 10:54 AM
I suppose I'd get pissed off if I really liked a concept and someone made a movie that didn't meet my expectations. That's kind of why I hope they never make a Wheel of Time movie (not that they could possibly fit 9,000 pages into that kind of format).

On the other hand...yikes.

Wezas
07-05-2006, 10:56 AM
Damn, you know it's bad when an old nerdy asian guy is telling you that you need to get laid.

Stretch
07-05-2006, 11:00 AM
Stretch != Daniel

Stop staring at Jesae's wedding pictures and pay more attention to posting handles

Parkbandit
07-05-2006, 11:02 AM
Wedding pics? I saw her avatar.. there's more?

Link now fucker

CrystalTears
07-05-2006, 11:09 AM
http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e152/PetiteDollie/

To stay on topic, I liked the move, but didn't love it. Some parts were good, some parts were boring. I liked the characters, the special effects, some of the shots and loved Spacey (as usual). The concept of wanting to build off a crystal land was just dumb to me (but Luthor was always about LAND so whatever), and they just dragged that love story. Gawd.

Superman was hawt though. :)

Wezas
07-05-2006, 11:11 AM
Stretch != Daniel


Daniel <> Asian

Warriorbird
07-05-2006, 11:13 AM
I thought the Spiderman 3 trailer looked awesome. The movie itself could've used more editing for length, but I didn't HATE it.

CrystalTears
07-05-2006, 11:25 AM
Yeah, it was too long. Then again I saw it at 10:30 so leaving after 1am left much to be desired.

Drinin
07-05-2006, 05:40 PM
It wasn't bad, but it wasn't really great either. I'm just not a Superman fan (although Superman 2 kicked ass). I hope there's more Batman movies on the way, now there's a badass.

Asha
07-05-2006, 05:48 PM
Spiderman ~ Venom story AT LAST. ftw.
Batman ~ It can't really ever beat Tim Burton now can it?

DCSL
07-05-2006, 06:02 PM
Prepare for nerding out. 3.. 2.. 1!

I'm not a Superman fan. He's always struck me as being a big ol' airheaded cheerleader. He's constantly getting brainwashed and mind-controlled because he's so freakin' weak-willed. He relies on his muscles like a cheerleader relies on her looks. And he causes a huge amount of damage wherever he goes. He's the kind of dick that'll rip up a train track to wrap the villian in it, with not a thought in his head for the train that's coming down the line and NEEDS that section of track. I recall Batman telling all the other superheroes, and particularly Superman, to stay the hell out of Gotham so they don't ruin his city.

Don't even get me started about how Wonder Woman had to save everyone's ass and take out the guy making Superman beat the crap out of everyone, only to be ostracized for killing. Argh.

But... I liked this movie. Superman is still a doof in a big way but his kindness in the movie made up for it, a little. That won't stop him from being a complete jerk in the comics, but you can't have everything. It was good for what it was.

Also.. I have to admit, I didn't really like the Reeve Superman. I mean, I loved the first two movies as a kid, but I thought Brandon was better. There was more distinction between Clark and Superman in this movie, whereas Reeve's Superman was still a tad dorky. So.. thumbs up from me.

Re-entering normality in 3.. 2.. 1!

Buckwheet
07-05-2006, 06:33 PM
I enjoyed the film on the top level. This was also the very first Superman movie I have ever seen. I was not into the comic growing up.

I think when I speak about the film for me 1/3 or more of the enjoyment was seeing it on an IMAX screen and getting to see parts in 3D. The screen I saw it on was 80 feet tall 70 feet wide incase you wanted a comparison as other IMAXes are not quite as big as this one.

I thought a lot of the cinematography was very well done.

AestheticDeath
07-05-2006, 07:02 PM
Id give the movie a B or so... there was never a part of the movie where I just got excited, or sad or angry... or emotional at all. It wasn't quite boring. But I never got picked up and thrown around.. you know? Kate bosworth isn't someone I could imagine SUPERMAN of all people... falling in love with.

Also I am pretty sure Routh was not as lean and cut as you seem to think. I know I heard he had to do some work to put on some lean mass, but alot of what you see in the movie is the suit. Mostly the shoulders come to mind. I know his shoulders don't look like that in real life.

Also, I haven't liked any of the actors playing in superman movies, be it Superman, Lex or Lois Lane. BUT, I do like the actors in the Smallville series on TV. I'm not sure how well I would like them when they grow into the age of the actual Superman storyline, but as the younger versions I like them pretty well. I didn't like Erica Durance at first... but she grew on me. Hopefully they will make a movie out of Smallville before too long.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
07-05-2006, 07:28 PM
I liked it. Would see it again and will buy the DVD when it comes out. I love the current trend of making comics into movies, as all these movies are of comics/stories that came out when I was growing up.

Miss X
07-05-2006, 07:46 PM
I liked it. Would see it again and will buy the DVD when it comes out. I love the current trend of making comics into movies, as all these movies are of comics/stories that came out when I was growing up.

Way to admit you're OLD!! :rofl:

Suppa Hobbit Mage
07-05-2006, 07:48 PM
Don't hate, appreciate. I'm also experienced...

AestheticDeath
07-05-2006, 07:50 PM
I like the trend as well, tho Superman was out long long time ago, didnt really get that excited over this one. But the comics I used to read and are just lately being made into movies are great for the most part. I was very excited over some of them, and I hope they continue. I was dissapointed over Hulk though, mixing RL and animation was kinda bad, but they pulled it off decently.

Miss X
07-05-2006, 07:50 PM
Don't hate, appreciate. I'm also experienced...


Okay now I'm interested. ;)

Stunseed
07-05-2006, 07:53 PM
< I love the current trend of making comics into movies, as all these movies are of comics/stories that came out when I was growing up. >

I know I'm in the minority, but many of the Marvel/DC movie efforts have been well done. I really enjoyed their movie version of the Punisher, as well as the original Blade. The worst so far has been Daredevil, but I loathed the fact they casted Afleck to be DD. If they had found someone else to do it, I think it would have been cool, especially with the way they showed his sight.

Sean
07-05-2006, 09:34 PM
The worst so far has been Daredevil, but I loathed the fact they casted Afleck to be DD.

I'm guessing you didn't see Elektra.

DCSL
07-05-2006, 09:59 PM
Ugh. Jennifer Garner as Elektra filled me with revulsion. She was so not it, in DD or Elektra.

Drew2
07-06-2006, 12:30 PM
Ok I'm going to try and contain myself as much as I can when I say this but Brandon Routh as Superman was pretty much the motherfucking hottest thing I've seen in a fucking long time. When I first saw him as Superman several months ago (perhaps a year) I was like yeah, whatever, he's not Tom Welling. Then I saw this movie, and about the middle of the movie it suddenly dawned on me that he's fucking amazingly gorgeous.

Anyway, I loved the movie... but like CT, I saw it at 10:45pm so leaving at 1am dampered my reaction a bit. I want to see it again VERY BADLY but I dont' want to sit through it for 3 hours again. I'll wait for the DVD to fast forward through the boring parts (read: parts not containing Brandon Routh).

Daniel
07-06-2006, 12:35 PM
Daniel <> Asian

Huh?

Drinin
07-06-2006, 05:57 PM
Spiderman ~ Venom story AT LAST. ftw.
Batman ~ It can't really ever beat Tim Burton now can it?

Bleh, I haven't liked either Spiderman movie yet. Everytime Toby is on the screen I start thinking, "Man, this guy is a pussy".

Danical
07-06-2006, 07:05 PM
Bleh, I haven't liked either Spiderman movie yet. Everytime Toby is on the screen I start thinking, "Man, this guy is a pussy".

So true but I'll watch anything with Bruce Campbell in it.

Also, the new batman is still my favorite comic movie to date.

Stunseed
07-06-2006, 07:49 PM
< I'm guessing you didn't see Elektra. >

I stand corrected. Elektra was much worse than Daredevil, and truth be told, I think the Hulk was worse, too. Fantastic Four came pretty close to that level of suck-ness as well, with the exception of muting the movie and watching Jessica Alba.