An Apology

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Final Edit: Nothing here to see unless you like reading Parkbandit's posts.
:)

[Alfster]

hahahahahaha, gemstone pregnancies are hilarious

[Daniel]

Alfster took the words out of my mom. WHY THE FUCK would you stop playing a character because of some IC bullshit.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

hahahahahaha, gemstone pregnancies are hilarious

It was entirely legitimate RP thank you! And it wasn't just the byproduct of a steamy night of CYBERING SECKS ACTION! *insert dancing banana without I'd hit it sign* Also, Issi didn't heal or hunt while pregnant, or die for that matter. So nyah.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Ok.. since this is a hard concept, Let me draw you a picture, K?


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d182/GSAdriata/pic.png

[Alfster]

You still don't get the point that gemstone + in game pregnacy = retarded.

LARP it next time

p.s. HAWT boyfriend sounds like a blast if you managed to last 2 weeks without gemstone

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

You're yet to really explain how. It's not like I was cross-breeding dwarves and Aelotoi and having Issi hunt in slender leather suits while supposedly 8 months along! (Though I've seen that done O_o)

PS: Hawt boyfriend is a blast, but he actually works. You know, a job? Money? Not that I'd expect you to know about that or anything. :)

AND, PPS: Can we please send flames to PM box, instead of posting them here? Offtopic and what have you.

[Alfster]

You're yet to really explain how. It's not like I was cross-breeding dwarves and Aelotoi and having Issi hunt in slender leather suits while supposedly 8 months along! (Though I've seen that done O_o)

PS: Hawt boyfriend is a blast, but he actually works. You know, a job? Money? Not that I'd expect you to know about that or anything. :)

You seriously need an explanation as to why that's humorous?

PS: I got me a sugar momma for a reason! (and i work graveyard)

PPS: No

[Kainen]

Eh.. ignore him, he's just being a jackass.

[HouseofElves]

Bronze of Blood of Jesus glass, I guess she was just trying to create character depth! GASP. It's not like she had the child and carried it around in a backpack.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Bronze of Blood of Jesus glass, I guess she was just trying to create character depth! GASP. It's not like she had the child and carried it around in a backpack.

Pf you know that was what Issi was planning on doing with her Aelotoi/Dwarf/Elf Love Child! :rofl:

[Stanley Burrell]

How you can write like that and possess much hotness IRL @ the same time is quite beyond me.

Very smooth, I liked it.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I commend you for such deep roleplay (all of you, not just the originator). I've just not the heart in it to roleplay much anymore... I just hang out really.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Heh, thank you! There are times when I think all of us have longed for.. non-RPing simple characters. Once you get too far into it though, it's impossible.

[Asha]

I've just not the heart in it to roleplay much anymore... I just hang out really.
Absolutely feel that.
Also as long as you do it well, IC pregnancy can be cool.. I bet the RP was well intense when it all went wrong too.

Still made me think of Nakitta though. <ick>

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Yeah it's tricky, you gotta love RP more than levels. Sometimes it sucked having to be weak.

[Solkern]

you could have RPed, that you found some magical substance that made you do some wierd time travel where you body goes back to where it was before you were having the kid for a duration of a hunt, then it wears off.

^^

[Drew]

Although the pregnancy RP doesn't bother me, this is why I never tell any of my friends about gemstone. This would seem absolutely batshit insane to normal people.

[Kainen]

Although the pregnancy RP doesn't bother me, this is why I never tell any of my friends about gemstone. This would seem absolutely batshit insane to normal people.

All my friends are loony anyways. So I don't mind tellin em about GS. :D

[Ignot]

No I agree about keeping my normal friends away from my geeky tendencies of Gemstone. Thank god my girl can put up with it. I still think Rping being pregnant is weird though. What happens when the kid is born?

[Bobmuhthol]

<<This would seem absolutely batshit insane to normal people.>>

No, no, I was exposed to GS very early and have been playing since 2000. I'm familiar with the environment and could overlook a lot of things involved with playing a MUD without a second thought.

... but this whole thing is absolutely batshit insane.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

The kid wouldn't be seen. I go long periods of playing Narcissiia and then not playing her. I'd probably stop playing her for about a month, then bring her back.

It's a challenge to RP, but it's fun. Saying some RP is "batshit" insane just because other people may have done it poorly before is pretty ignorant at best.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Saying some RP is "batshit" insane just because other people may have done it poorly before is pretty ignorant at best.>>

I think you're the only person that has said anything about previous RP styles regarding pregnancy in this thread. No matter how good or bad it is, the people calling it batshit insane are the people who think roleplaying pregnancy in GS is batshit insane. You're pretty ignorant of the actual issue here.

[Solkern]

Roleplaying comes to how ever people want it to happen, your taking on a roll of a character, if your character is female, Role playing the life of a female, may include Having a child, so I applaud those that can roleplay having a kid properly.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

<<Saying some RP is "batshit" insane just because other people may have done it poorly before is pretty ignorant at best.>>

I think you're the only person that has said anything about previous RP styles regarding pregnancy in this thread. No matter how good or bad it is, the people calling it batshit insane are the people who think roleplaying pregnancy in GS is batshit insane. You're pretty ignorant of the actual issue here.

I'm the only person calling it that, but other people are obviously thinking of that bad stuff when they call it that. You don't have to vocally say everything for people-- some stuff is obviously inferred.

[Latrinsorm]

How is Bob saying that people aren't thinking of the really bad pregnancy roleplayers any more or less valid than you saying that they are? I think you mean implied, btw, not inferred. A writer implies, a reader infers.

[Ignot]

Wait a minute. Is this baby mutually agreed on with your partner before you execute the roleplay or did you just drop this RP on him?

If so, I need to start RPing safer sex.

[Chelle]

Would you pull out in time, or don a rolton skin condom?

[Parkbandit]

I am thankful that I no longer play Gemstone when players cannot seem to roleplay within the set rules, features and mechanics of the game. Roleplaying is fun as hell.. but it tends to get retarded when folks try and make up their own rules.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Parkbandit, I have no clue what you're reffering to. Most incredibly indepth roleplay occurs outside of the mechanics.

As for the comments about dropping this RP on the other person.. I didn't just decide that OMG I AM GOING TO HAVE NARCISSIIA PREGNANT. I don't cyber so there was no in-game sex to make it happen. It presumably happened back in Ta'Nalfein as they are husband and wife, and since Narcissiia is a dutiful noble Nalfein, it's part of her job as her husband's wife to bear him children.

I mean seriously people it's not like I had her turned into a vampire by Krolvins or something. If you don't agree with the premise, just don't read it for Christs sake.

[Bobmuhthol]

So.. your character didn't have sex, but DID have a child.

Sweet.

[Asha]

Gonna be a special kid.

[Sylvan Dreams]

So.. your character didn't have sex, but DID have a child.

Sweet.

She just meant that there was no cybersex. Keeping to RP rules, your character doesn't stop living/existing just because you're not logged in the game.

Roleplaying being pregnant is NOT 'outside the rules'. Roleplaying having a living child however, that people see and interact with, is.

[Ignot]

No rolton condoms, just pull out.

Hmm...Jelly doughnut?

[Numbers]

So.. your character didn't have sex, but DID have a child.

Sweet.

So that means the kid will either be Jesus, or Darth Vader.

[Latrinsorm]

If you don't agree with the premise, just don't read it for Christs sake.Why wouldn't you want people to engage in dialogue about your roleplaying concept? Further, why do you dismiss some roleplaying concepts (being turned into a vampire by Krolvin) out of hand but consider yours to be sacrosanct?
Most incredibly indepth roleplay occurs outside of the mechanics.Mechanics are sort of analogous to ethics in this sense: an act can be supported by mechanics or not (by definition). Acts outside of mechanics can be (but are not necessarily) in explicit disagreement with mechanics; PB apparently considers pregnancy one of these. Demanding he ignore the topic if he disagrees is not a path conducive to resolution. In your position, I think I would take the following position:
Certainly, Elanthians are capable of reproduction.
Certainly, adventurers are Elanthians (excluding Aelotoi for the moment).
While adventurers are largely distinct from mundane Elanthians in terms of physical and superphysical prowess, it is not necessarily the case that they have lost the ability to reproduce.
Therefore, while mechanics do not explicitly allow for pregnancy to occur, they do not explicitly forbid it either.
Therefore, it is not unreasonable to roleplay a pregnant character.
However, it is unclear just what a pregnant adventurer would act like, given their well-documented superhuman (by Earth standards) capabilities.

This would open up a dialogue on just what a pregnant adventurer would act like or require PB to make the case for adventurers necessarily being sterile.

It's a little long-winded, but better than "shut up" IMO.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I'm saying that RPing a pregnancy to me, within the world of Elanthia as known by documentation, is a little bit more, I don't know.. believable? Than being bitten by Krolvin Vampires. Obviously, people get pregnant and have children in Elanthia. There's no documentation of Krolvin Vampires.

And yes Latrinsorm, you are correct and that arguement is a much better one. I've stopped attempting to make long posts towards other, rather off-topic, posts. Because it's generally pretty futile. This thread isn't "What do you think of GS pregnancy?" though. It's "This is the story I wrote about a GS pregnancy."

[Parkbandit]

Parkbandit, I have no clue what you're reffering to. Most incredibly indepth roleplay occurs outside of the mechanics.

Too funny. "The rules and mechanics be damned.. I'll play this game however I want to. Fuck everyone else if they don't like it."

Classic.

Actually.. some of the BEST roleplayers in the game stayed within the rules and mechanics of the game and didn't need to make up their own rules and reasons to set themselves apart.

Maybe you should quit... again.. for like the fifth time.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Too funny. "The rules and mechanics be damned.. I'll play this game however I want to. Fuck everyone else if they don't like it."

Classic.

Actually.. some of the BEST roleplayers in the game stayed within the rules and mechanics of the game and didn't need to make up their own rules and reasons to set themselves apart.

Maybe you should quit... again.. for like the fifth time.

So, game mechanics say that you can only go to Wehnimer's Landing, Pinefar, Solhaven, Teras Isle, Zul Logoth, River's Rest, Ta'Vaalor, and Ta'Illistim. There is no city of Ta'Nalfein, or province of Dragach that you can visit in game. There's no Sea of Fire. So once you roll up an adventurer, they're IMMEDIATELY blocked by some force of going to that area, in their lives? You're being a bad roleplayer, by not falling in line with that mechanic?

Or, when you log out. Does your character just disappear into a hazy ether that themselves or no one around them remembers? Because mechanically, they're not in the world. When you go on an IRL vacation and don't log in for a month, your character is definitely missing off the face of ALL of Elanthia then, according to just mechanics.

Or hey, this presents an interesting problem. If the mechanics say that the only Elven cities people can get to are Ta'Vaalor and Ta'Illistim, then how come official Simutronics documents, maps, have Ta'Nalfein, Ta'Ardenai, and Ta'Loenthra on them? How come it has the Human provinces, and the Sea of Fire? Which is right then, the "rules" (Simu documentation) or the "mechanics".

Having a pregnant character is breaking neither a rule, or a mechanic. I'll basically repeat Latrinsorm, who was utterly correct. Elanthians can reproduce, therefore it's safe to say that since Adventurers are Elanthian they can reproduce (as there is no rule or mechanic making them sterile or infertile). And, as Latrinsorm, the mechanics and rules don't all say "NO PREGNANCY", just as much as they don't say 'YES PREGNANCY", meaning that it leaves it open for the character to decide to pursue it, or not pursue it.

Not once did I say "The rules and mechanics be damned.. I'll play this game however I want to. Fuck everyone else if they don't like it." But playing only within the mechanics means that your character only lives as long as your logged in, and that they're only as powerful as the roll that you see when you swing that weapon. There are no in game mechanics and rules about emotions and personality with your characters.. so I guess any character with emotions or a personality is suddenly saying to everyone else, "The rules and mechanics be damned.. I'll play this game however I want to."

Oh, and FYI, I've only thought I was going to quit once. Maybe you're the one who needs a break from your excellent "Mechanics and stated Simu-rules only!" RP to brush up those math skills.

[Sean]

Parkbandit, I have no clue what you're reffering to. Most incredibly indepth roleplay occurs outside of the mechanics.

I could have sworn we already had this debate atleast twice on these boards about RP within mechanics vs RP outside of mechanics...

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I could have sworn we already had this debate atleast twice on these boards about RP within mechanics vs RP outside of mechanics...

There is much repeating of topics on these forums..


:deadhorse:

[Numbers]

I'm a little curious as to why you made the original post in the first place.

You should have known full well what kind of reaction you'd get.

[Jolena]

I would wager she made the post to share a fictional story about a character in a game that these forums were designed to foster discussion about. Its not uncommon for people to post fictional stories they have written about their own characters or just Gemstone life in general.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I would wager she made the post to share a fictional story about a character in a game that these forums were designed to foster discussion about. Its not uncommon for people to post fictional stories they have written about their own characters or just Gemstone life in general.

There's that, and also, I have a friend who wanted to read it but couldn't access the play.net site though they could access here. So I figured I'd post it here for her, and let other people see it too.

[Sean]

Its not uncommon for people to post fictional stories they have written about their own characters or just Gemstone life in general.

I'm guessing apparently myself, and many others on the board here i'd wager, have a different definition of what "not uncommon" means than what you define it as.

I don't see this as common behavior at all, outside of logs of various events.

[Jolena]

There's an entire thread dedicated to it. Regardless, its not something that should be considered a bad thing here.

Edited to add that in my original statement, I did not say it was not uncommon HERE, but that it is not uncommon for people to post period, their fictional stories about characters or life in general in GS. Considering these boards are geared towards discussion of GS, it makes sense that posting stories people have written would not be considered 'abnormal'. But, differences of opinion are obvious on this one.

Also, the loss of the child in the story is a very minor detail, and I'm amused that attention is so heavily given to it even though the story isn't really about it.

[HarmNone]

Actually, allowing a place for the posting of background stories of GS characters is one of the purposes of the Roleplaying folder. :shrug:

[Olanan]

the mechanics and rules don't all say "NO PREGNANCY", just as much as they don't say 'YES PREGNANCY", meaning that it leaves it open for the character to decide to pursue it, or not pursue it.


And then there's that whole "Pregnant women can't really do shit very well."

Honey, let's hike and climb God know's how many miles to the Landing!

WHY would someone want to roleplay a pregnancy? Most things I hear from women are, "Oh dear Lord IT'S AWFUL."

I mean, you can't hunt, die, get injured in general, travel, anything like that or that "roleplay" is completely shot.

Just about everything before and after that quote is just blown up and away.

And then, what the hell do you do when it's born? I'm sorry, it just wouldn't work.

[Jolena]

There are a great deal of options for after the child is born. It could die at birth, it could be sent off to stay with 'relatives' until he/she is older, it could be a birth in secret/shame that required the child to be sent away or murdered, the child could be at home with caretakers due to the parents being rich and well-to-do (hence the reason it is not seen in public) and the parents can regale their friends with stories of the child's antics at home with the nanny. There is more than just 1 possibility for a pregnancy in Elanthia, as I have just shown you, and that's not the end of the choices. As Issi showed here, the child could even miscarry.

As to why someone would want to RP a pregnancy out, I ask you why someone would want to RP any number of things in a game? Each person has reasons that they enjoy certain RP, and this is no exception.

[Aaysia]

I honestly fail to see the huge deal about the pregnancy thing. I commend those who have the patience and dedication to RP things like this out. I certainly don't which is why most of my characters will probably never have children adopted or otherwise.

Narcissia, I thought it was a great story :).

[CrystalTears]

There are a lot of roleplaying ideas that people have come up with that have made me snicker and just didn't get. As far as pregnancy, I understand roleplaying the life of a regular woman, but when regular pregnancies are so complicated on general principle, not sure why someone would want to do it to "term".

When I played and my character was married, (for the life of me I can't remember the name of the empath now, but she was well known at the time) turned her fertility ring at me and winked. I played along and let my husband know a few days later that it was confirmed and that she was pregnant. To play it convincingly, it was not fun for me. It would have limited what I could do which I enjoyed, which was hunt. The RP wasn't important enough to sacrifice every element of the game for me, so she went hunting, died, and lost the baby. Had her very sad for a little while but that was it. It just wasn't for me. But I can't condemn others for liking the act.

Now, the child afterwards.. that's what's the problem as far as these pregnancies go. Child wasn't really born, there shouldn't be a product. Considering that a child wouldn't be running around and talking for at least 2 years, seeing the "child" show up walking and smacking around rats in a couple of months just kills the idea.

Although I do wonder.. are most played out pregnancies in order to eventually have an actual child, or just to have something else to roleplay? I suppose I don't get why even bother with a pregnancy if all you're going to do is refer to a child that never sees the light of day and is home with babysitters.

[Parkbandit]

I'm a little curious as to why you made the original post in the first place.

You should have known full well what kind of reaction you'd get.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/attention_whore.jpg

[Wezas]

I remembered when Kurapira was preggers w/ Klaive's demon child. More than one person did the "act kicks Kurapira in the stomach, hard". Looks like it worked.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

And then there's that whole "Pregnant women can't really do shit very well."

Honey, let's hike and climb God know's how many miles to the Landing!

WHY would someone want to roleplay a pregnancy? Most things I hear from women are, "Oh dear Lord IT'S AWFUL."

I mean, you can't hunt, die, get injured in general, travel, anything like that or that "roleplay" is completely shot.

Just about everything before and after that quote is just blown up and away.

And then, what the hell do you do when it's born? I'm sorry, it just wouldn't work.


That's entirely the thing.. everyone who is like OMG IN GAME PREGNANCY IS STOOPID had no idea how I roleplayed Narcissiia. You, like a total dumbass, assumed that I continued to take her hunting and I continued to take her travelling. She stayed in Ta'Vaalor, she did not hunt, she did not heal, she did not hurt herself. I don't enjoy hunting in game, and at the time I wasn't keen on healing either. So instead it added a depth to my RP, which was not focused around hunting but around Issi.

The fact that Issi was pregnant with her husband's child was a very defining RP thing for her. Look at the other Nalfein who she has and will continue to be compared against -- do you think Lysistrata would ever be pregnant and a dutiful wife to a husband? Likely not, unless something drastic happened. This whole ordeal says something about Issi's character in ways that I could never RP otherwise.

As for what to do with the child afterwards, it's already been said all the options. The children could be sent away, could be left home with Nannies and attended to when the parents returned. I've already said like twice in this thread, so here, for the THIRD time, I was planning on her having the child back in Ta'Nalfein and playing another character for a month. Then, every other week I'd play other characters while she was back in Ta'Nalfein, and slowly decrease that.

As for why someone would want to roleplay that because pregnant women say it's awful-- some pregnant women enjoy their pregnancy immensely and try to get pregnant again not just because they love children but because they love being pregnant. And also-- losing a leg from a sword wound is said to be pretty damn painful. Why would ANYONE go hunting and risk having to RP such a painful experience?

In answer to CrystalTears question-- it was to help define Issi and set her apart, personality and goal wise.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

<picture that he posted because he's too moronic to have any viable comeback>

I'm not the one flaming a thread about RP in the RP section of the boards. What did the pot call the kettle again?

[CrystalTears]

He doesn't agree with the RP. So what? He's allowed to have his opinion as much as you are to RP whatever you wish.

[Parkbandit]

I'm not the one flaming a thread about RP in the RP section of the boards. What did the pot call the kettle again?

I am going to join Gemstone again and roleplay a 3' 2" giantman dwarf who has one eye and no mouth or nose or ears. I will be marrying a dark elf girl and I will knock her up. The gestation period for a dwarven/giantman/dark elf is approximately 14 months, but because of a secret device from an alien, it will take 14 days. My wife will give birth and the baby will come out of the forehead, causing her death.. but then she will be reborn as a gnome.

There. I've made just as viable a rolelay as you have. Look at me... I am a rolelaying genius and anyone that doesn't agree with it is an idiot who has no imagination.

[Parkbandit]

Originally Posted by Parkbandit
<picture that he posted because he's too moronic to have any viable comeback>

First of all.. the picture was the comeback.. I apologize for not explaining that to you in the post. Most of the other people he got it though.

Second of all.. I've never had a problem having any sort of comeback. Test me. :)

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

So he doesn't agree with the RP, CrystalTears, that's fine but I never once asked, "What do you think of my RP?".. I just shared a story.

All of his posts are completely off-topic. If Parkbandit wishes to continue his little crusade against ingame pregnancy, he can post another thread about it and have himself a good time.

And specifically to Parkbandit-- if you still don't understand anything I wrote, I won't bother drawing another picture, since you probably can't understand that either.

For anyone else who's immediate response to this thread is that I'm stupid, feel free to post. From here on out at least in this thread, I won't be responding to that offtopic chatter.

[CrystalTears]

Well then let's put the ruling out now to avoid confusion for future reference...

ANYTHING you say on these boards, roleplaying included, is up for discussion and/or criticism, good or bad, requested or not.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I'm being criticized for having a hunting, dying, travelling Adventurer who bred with someone of a different race to create a hybrid race, CT. Which is stupid, because this is about NONE of that, and the people who are criticizing read "Pregnancy RP" and didn't bother to read anything else.

If I had put up a story about an Aelotoi-Giant having a child and travelling Elanthia and giving birth and carrying the kid in their cloak, then sure, I could see how that'd be justified. But how is it justified if someone posted a thread, say in the alterations folder, asking for opinions on a new cloak design.. and someone posted, "OMG SOME PEOPLE SUCK AT ALTERATIONS, YOU ARE SO STUPID TO DESIGN SOMETHING" then went off on a rant about people who have runes of doom on their shoes?

That's the equivalent of what the posts in this thread have turned into. And no, I don't expect that.

[CrystalTears]

I'm being criticized for having a hunting, dying, travelling Adventurer who bred with someone of a different race to create a hybrid race, CT. Which is stupid, because this is about NONE of that, and the people who are criticizing read "Pregnancy RP" and didn't bother to read anything else.
Perhaps because they feel that any sort of roleplay regarding a pregnancy, no matter how justified and normal you may feel it is, is foreign to them. That's their right, just as much as it is yours to play it.


But how is it justified if someone posted a thread, say in the alterations folder, asking for opinions on a new cloak design.. and someone posted, "OMG SOME PEOPLE SUCK AT ALTERATIONS, YOU ARE SO STUPID TO DESIGN SOMETHING" then went off on a rant about people who have runes of doom on their shoes?
It's happened. You're not giving me a good example to work with here. :)


That's the equivalent of what the posts in this thread have turned into. And no, I don't expect that.
Sure, don't expect it, be amazed by it, but you can't stop them feeling and posting that way.

[Wezas]

And specifically to Parkbandit-- if you still don't understand anything I wrote, I won't bother drawing another picture, since you probably can't understand that either.

I would actually love to see another picture, as I think it's the best part of this thread. Especially if it shows PB looking old.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Perhaps because they feel that any sort of roleplay regarding a pregnancy, no matter how justified and normal you may feel it is, is foreign to them. That's their right, just as much as it is yours to play it.

They can feel that way, the way that I feel runes on shoes are stupid. But I'd not go into a cloak-alteration thread and yell at the starter about how they're retarded for having shoes they.. well, never had.



It's happened. You're not giving me a good example to work with here. :)

It's happened but that doesn't mean it makes any sense.



Sure, don't expect it, be amazed by it, but you can't stop them feeling and posting that way.

No, I can't stop him doing it but I can encourage him to find another thread to go be a jackass in.

And Wezas, I would just for you, but that's too much work for this whole thing. I may just draw a picture of PB pregnant and ask for opinions on it, to replace the story in this thread. :)

[Wezas]

That'll work.

[GS4-D]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Jerrikan the same 'husband' that you rolled up yourself and posted about on the Alteration folder so you could have a husband for Narcissiia at the VC ball?

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Yup, I rolled up Jerrikan and was playing him myself until my boyfriend finally decided to come back to Gemstone. And yes, I did post his outfit for the ball in the alterations folder.

[Parkbandit]

So he doesn't agree with the RP, CrystalTears, that's fine but I never once asked, "What do you think of my RP?".. I just shared a story.

All of his posts are completely off-topic. If Parkbandit wishes to continue his little crusade against ingame pregnancy, he can post another thread about it and have himself a good time.

And specifically to Parkbandit-- if you still don't understand anything I wrote, I won't bother drawing another picture, since you probably can't understand that either.

For anyone else who's immediate response to this thread is that I'm stupid, feel free to post. From here on out at least in this thread, I won't be responding to that offtopic chatter.

What is so off topic about any of my posts? They are completely, dead on topic. Topic is... People who cannot roleplay within the framework of the game and make justifications about having to change the set rules so they can masturbate to their roleplaying magnificence.

I gave an equally stupid version of a roleplay that is equally against the rules. The difference is: I'm not playing the game any longer so I'm not thrusting my own rules on anyone in the game.

Seriously, you should quit again.

[Parkbandit]

No, I can't stop him doing it but I can encourage him to find another thread to go be a jackass in.


Actually, you are doing the exact opposite.

[Alfster]

Yup, I rolled up Jerrikan and was playing him myself until my boyfriend finally decided to come back to Gemstone. And yes, I did post his outfit for the ball in the alterations folder.

So you got yourself pregnant?

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHYAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAH

....


HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

[Asha]

Dude, stop laughing it's RP!
LMAO!!!

[Parkbandit]

So you got yourself pregnant?

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHYAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAH

....


HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

Hehe.. I was using the term masturbate figuratively.

[Bobmuhthol]

This has gone too far.

Narcissiia, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

So you got yourself pregnant?

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHYAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAH

....


HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

If I *was* my character then yes, I would have.. because I'm THAT good.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I decided to take Parkbandit's advice with a tiny twist, and change the main post to suit his "special" needs. Hey, now we all win!

[Numbers]

That's just lame.

[Alfster]

I decided to take Parkbandit's advice with a tiny twist, and change the main post to suit his "special" needs. Hey, now we all win!

I highly doubt you want a pissing match with him...

And wtf is with you editing shit? Very NC-ish

[Alfster]

[while drunk and high on pot]

Odd that we make more sense even when we're stoned, you get razzled far to easily. What was that, like the 7th edit of your story of using one of your characters to impregnant your other character? (without fucking)



For the original intent of this thread: If you'd like to read a good story about RP, PM me. It's called "An Apology", it's about two elves.


The story sucks, don't bother



If you'd like to read an equally good story called "Many of the posters on this forum are clueless idiots who wank off to kiddy porn" also feel free to PM me.


You're the one impregnanting one of your characters with another one of your characters in gemstone. Dumb trotch. Are you going to start a thread entitled "Narcissiia's a dumb bitch" again?




And finally, I'd like to apologize to the small, non-moronic section of these forums for the greater dumbasses who somehow manage to post, even though they quite honestly can't read.

:)

Apology accepted.

[Latrinsorm]

I'll basically repeat Latrinsorm, who was utterly correct.This is always a good statement to put in a post, if I do say so myself.
I could have sworn we already had this debate atleast twice on these boards about RP within mechanics vs RP outside of mechanics...Ah yes, the Vishra Debacle (and the Vishra Debacle II: Hairbrushes Revisited). Two key differences:
1) As far as I'm aware, Narcissiia didn't walk around going:
Narcissiia sighs pregnantly.
(Narcissiia preggers it up.)
Or other such verb violations. Vishra's particular RP choice didn't even have to be taken into account to decry his player's act violations.
2) The choices for gender are specifically and explicitly delimited by the game: male and female. There is no such explicit command against a pregnant character.

To PB in particular, because he strikes me as particularly not making this distinction: While not being expressly forbidden is not equal to tacitly consented to, it is unquestionably not expressly forbidden. If we were to actually limit ourselves to what the mechanics expressly allow, you could not make an argument against the pregnancy RPs you find so distasteful, and here's why: your character would have sprung into existence fully grown the instant you created him. If your character had done so, it stands to reason that a "pregnancy" could result in a "newborn" appearing 20 years old and with full adventurer credentials. It's no more or less impossible than your character's instantaneous generation.

[Artha]

And wtf is with you editing shit? Very Klaive-ish

Fixed.

[Sean]

You write stories about people watching kiddie porn? You're one fucked up individual...

[Olanan]

And though I never saw Falgrin in person, from logs I've seen he's a very good roleplayer.

That makes the TC a dumb bitch.

[Parkbandit]

I decided to take Parkbandit's advice with a tiny twist, and change the main post to suit his "special" needs. Hey, now we all win!

You didn't need to edit out your self-gratification roleplaying story just on my account... that just feeds into my ego even more knowing how quickly you fold. I knew you had shit taste in 'guys' (if I can even classify Klaive in that category), but the one thing I thought you were was at least stubborn.

Seems I win. Again.

[Parkbandit]

And though I never saw Falgrin in person, from logs I've seen he's a very good roleplayer.

That makes the TC a dumb bitch.

I CAN'T BE A GOOD ROLEPLAYER YOU STUPID BASTARD SINCE I STAYED WITHIN THE MECHANICS AND FRAMEWORK OF THE GAME! MY GOD DID YOU NOT GET ANYTHING FROM THIS FUCKING THREAD????

[Olanan]

NO FUCKIN WAY I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT I'M FUCKING SORRY.

[Parkbandit]

NO FUCKIN WAY I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT I'M FUCKING SORRY.

Apology accepted.

[Alfster]

i missed something, klaive what?

[Aaysia]

I don't get why PB is harping on this. Did Falgrin drop from a tree and was thusly "born" a wtfever race he was? Honestly, pregnancy isn't really all that farfetched.

[Alfster]

haha

[CrystalTears]

Wow. How utterly pathetic to remove the first post information.

You know, I'm getting really sick of this attitude. I wish Kranar could disallow editing the first post of a thread because this is ridiculous.

If you can't take the criticism from something you posted, good or bad, don't fucking post it in the first place. Fucking hell. I wish I had the story cached so that I could paste it back in then lock the thread so that you can deal with it. Christ.

[Leetahkin]

I echo CT.

If the reason you posted this was to have your friend read it, send it in email to her next time.

[Parkbandit]

I don't get why PB is harping on this. Did Falgrin drop from a tree and was thusly "born" a wtfever race he was? Honestly, pregnancy isn't really all that farfetched.

PB is harping on more of what she said after her story than what was actually in the story. I merely posted this:


I am thankful that I no longer play Gemstone when players cannot seem to roleplay within the set rules, features and mechanics of the game. Roleplaying is fun as hell.. but it tends to get retarded when folks try and make up their own rules.

And then Narcissiia made the fateful mistake of posting this after it (I can't believe she hasn't edited this out yet... as it was more of the spark that started this fire)


Parkbandit, I have no clue what you're reffering to. Most incredibly indepth roleplay occurs outside of the mechanics.



From there I made her angry, cry and edit. She is now sitting in the corner of her room, rocking back and forth and flicking on and off her light.

[CrystalTears]

Incidentally, I don't believe that coming out of the mangler has ever meant that you were being born into this world. That is the mistake that post-pregger people make, thinking they can have someone now play their kid. No. Only that you were dropped in the land that you ventured into, which is why the youngest you can be in the game I believe is in your teens.

I think I'm going to make the suggestion that the first person to reply to a thread should quote it. So that the next time some crybaby decides they don't like how people are so mean to them and edit their post, it's still there for posterity.

[Aaysia]

Lol allllrighty then PB. Thanks for clearing that up!

And yeah I have that same way of thinking CT. Though I was of the impression that the youngest you could set your age to was like.. 20. I could be wrong.

[CrystalTears]

I couldn't remember. I thought it was the 20's too but wasn't sure if it was lowered slightly when the age descriptions were put in. Either way, weren't born out of the mangler.

[Stretch]

God, you're both so dumb.

Everyone KNOWS that you can come out of the mangler as an 8 year old child of a physically weak race that can somehow still manage to draw a longbow.

SHEESH.

[Asha]

:rofl:
First thing that entered my mind too. ;)

[CrystalTears]

:lol: My bad!

[DeV]

I'm thinking that someday when I'm bored out of my fucking mind this thread may be worth the read.

[CrystalTears]

It's really not, especially since she Atheananized it.

[Syberia]

My elf was pregnant and miscarried, and shortly after that I thought, OOC wise, I was leaving the game. The IC reason was that Narcissiia and her husband Jerrikan were having problems because of the miscarriage, and so they were returning to Ta'Nalfein. Now that I've decided to stick around Gemstone, this is the story of the resolution in Ta'Nalfein.


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Narcissiia stood silently, her eyes faintly misted with pain. Her hair was rolled back into a severe and tight bun, a thin circlet set atop her head to secure the filmy black veil she wore to conceal her face. She wore an austere high-collared black gown, simple black pearl buttons running from the top of the back of the collar all the way down her back. Her only other adornment was the petite gold wedding ring worn upon her heart finger. Jerrikan stood opposite of her, wearing a black tunic and trousers. His face looked gaunt and under his eyes were dark circles, betraying to his wife how tired he was. Upon their return to Ta'Nalfein, he had launched immediately into tactical training for his men. Even work had haunted him, however, for the extra men he commanded he did so in thanks to Narcissiia's political maneuvering, and her charm. With the spring brought so many births and new pregnancies with the wives of his men, and it was all he could do to bear anything but barked military phrases and orders from any of them.

As furious as he was with Narcissiia, he was furious with himself as well. Furious for not keeping a better eye on her, furious for even letting her journey between Ta'Nalfein and Ta'Vaalor while pregnant. He should have locked her in a room full of servants and maids, and forced her to remain safely in bed for the duration of her pregnancy, until the child was delivered. But alas he did not, and now he was reaping the reprucussions of his decisions. She wouldn't stop looking at him, and he couldn't handle the piercing gaze of her hazy emerald eyes. He saw how full of pain they were, and he felt even more a failure for not being able to comfort his wife and put aside his ill-feelings that she may have played a hand in losing the child. He stopped returning to their bed and night and took his meals elsewhere. For the parties he was required to attend, he took another Lady and left his wife at home. Even with all the strange glances he got in Court and gentle queries as to the health of the Lady Gelvson (who had not appeared back in Court since her return to Ta'Nalfein, most unusually) he couldn't bring himself to bring Narcissiia with him.

The night before there had been a party in one of the Gardens, and unknown to him his wife had been invited to attend. Not having a way to ask her husband one way or another, she had accepted. Jerrikan had strolled arm-in-arm with the Lady Cambinara, feeling pangs of regret as he looked on, watching her laugh and socialize. Unable to stop himself, he compared the way she did everything to the way his wife did things-- how clumsy she seemed to hold and maneuver her fan compared to his Issi, how she was much too forward at some times and much too cold at others, a mistake Issi never made. Even her gown seemed off, as did her elaborate updo. She was beautiful, to be sure. It wasn't the same though, and no matter how he tried, he could not get over that. Looking up momentarily to try to divert his attention elsewhere, his breath had been caught suddenly. On the balcony nearby stood Narcissiia, her eyes gazing at him, and under those carefully veiled and masked eyes, he could still feel the hurt she had to be experiencing. Watching him, with another woman, utterly helpless and useless to stop him. Her hair was worn down, swept back, and glossy. Her face was carefully painted, as were her fingernails. Her gown was simple, compared to many of the other's in the garden. An exotic shade of blue silk, skimming over her body and pooling back into a short yet elegant train, some part of the hue of her dress picking up on her eyes. In her hand was a translucent fan, and around her neck was a simple silver chain. Her skin looked pale and thin and her body was gaunt, but somehow the fragility of her features only made her that much more breathtaking. She nodded slightly to Jerrikan, staring at him until he felt Lady Cambinara tugging viciously on his arm.

"My Lord.. I don't like that your wife has come to spy on us, can you not make her leave?!" she asked him, her voice pouty and whiny in what he figured she thought was a seductive and saucy manner.

It only made him wish it was Narcissiia on his arm all the more. As his guest though, and as the Lady who wasn't his wife, he was required to fulfill her wishes so long as they were not entirely unreasonable. Jerrikan knew that insisting Narcissiia stay would make HIM the unreasonable one, and so he nodded begrudgingly to Lady Cambinara and signaled for a servant. After murmuring something into the servant's ear, he watched out of the corner of his eye as the servant disappeared into the villa, up the stairs, and out onto the Balcony. He bowed low to Narcissiia after pulling her aside and murmured something to her, then stood back. Narcissiia turned slowly around, and with a hard glint in her eye, she glanced at Jerrikan. Then she thanked those who were with her for the lovely evening and excused herself, before leaving with the escort of the servant. Many had watched her as she left, knowing exactly why she had left. More than one man had given Jerrikan a rather disapproving stare. Most of his status in formal Elven Society outside of the warroom and the battlefield was in thanks to his beautiful wife, and this was how he repaid her? Gossip had spread and everyone knew that Narcissiia had not been unfaithful, but rather she had miscarried. Poor woman, they said, to have to endure such a tragedy alone with a husband who hates her for it. More than one woman looked upon Jerrikan with disdain once Lady Gelvson had left, eying the barely-out-of-youth Lady Cambinara with even more animosity. Jerrikan had found an excuse to leave early, annoyed with the ill-concealed hints from Lady Cambinara about continuing their relationship even after the night should have ended and the cold glances tossed their way the entire night.

He returned home and returned to their private quarters, feeling a bit sheepish but defiant nontheless. In their room Narcissiia wore a pale silk dressing robe, facing a vanity mirror with a servant combing out her hair. For a few moments he let them continue before dismissing the servant to leave them alone. Narcissiia did not meet his eyes, and did not turn around. He stood up and moved forward, placing one hand on her shoulder. She did not flinch, or shudder. Her eyes did not mist over with tears, her eyes didn't move in the slightest. Annoyed at her vacancy, he removed his hand and began to disrobe.

"We're going to bed, Narcissiia."

His voice was harsher than he had intended, the order coming out gruff like a bark more than a soothing promise of making up. Narcissiia rose, dropped her robe, and laid down on the bed. Her skin was so pale but her eyes were still so vacant.. it made her look like a corpse. He tried to kiss her, tried to hold her, tried to show her any sort of physical affection. She remained motionless and silent, following only his orders, so exact it was almost like she was taunting him. Even when he tried to make love to her she was unresponsive, silent. When it was all over, she rolled away and wordlessly went to sleep.

And now, here they stood before a window full of the fog that shrouded their estate's wet landscape.

"Narcissiia.. we can't keep doing this," Jerrikan said, his voice gentle and more quiet than it had been in a long time.

"Keep doing what, husband? Have I not unquestioningly fulfilled my roles as your wife and fulfilled your wishes without complaint?" she asked him, her voice flat and toneless.

Jerrikan moved closer to her, his eyes pleading with her.

"You know what I'm talking about, I think," he said to her.

Narcissiia turned away, staring out the window, her eyes tearing up even more.

"Then ask me to walk into the sea, Jerrikan, and I shall do it to end your misery of having someone such as me for a wife. I shall do it to end my own misery at being punished for what, I do not know," she replied, her voice only barely above a whisper, her voice still flat.

'I didn't mean--" he began, but stop, knowing how empty it was. He did mean to do this. He had consciously done this. Narcissiia slowly turned her gaze on him, not turning her body.

"Do not lie to me and tell me you did not mean to do this to me. You have treated me with utter apathy and indeed, cruelty, in a time when I need everything but," she said coolly and evenly.

He flinched at the ice of her words, and yet remained silent. He knew he had been wrong. He knew right now, that Narcissiia was right. She turned finally, her body fully facing him.

"The first big trial, of our relationship, the first big test.. and see what you have done?" she arched an eyebrow at him, her voice still even as it dropped down to a whisper, "and last night in our bed while you tried to break me further, I found myself wondering.. what kind of a man are you, Jerrikan?"

His eyes widened and he found himself breathless and wordless. For her to have insulted him so badly, for her to not just ignore him until the hurt faded.. what had he done to his wife? He knew he should have reprimanded her, knew he could throw her out to her parents. Instead he stood there, and took it. She was right-- this entire time, he had not behaved himself as a male should have. And now he would not run again, and instead would suffer her fury. He closed his eyes, waiting for more to come. Instead, a quiet laugh escaped her lips and when he opened his eyes, he saw she was crying.

"But I am with you, nontheless, husband. And I can only hope that you feel regret at what you have done, and that you will never suffer me to endure the cruelty I have endured by your hands and your actions." She finished the sentence and turned away, more tears falling down her face. She stiffened as he put an arm around her, but did not push him off of her. They were silent for a while, and eventually the tears stopped leaving only two faint salt lines on her face.

"For my treatment of you, and my behavior in general, I am truly sorry Narcissiia." It was all he could say, because it was all that mattered.

For a few long moments, all was silent and still. In their house and even outside on the estate, the oppressive fog seeming to muffle all movement and even time. And then..

"I accept your apology."

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

From there I made her angry, cry and edit. She is now sitting in the corner of her room, rocking back and forth and flicking on and off her light.

No, from there I eventually decided you were too big of a moron for me to waste my time on.

And CT, the first post had pretty much nothing to do with all 11 useless pages of this thread, and I'm sure if you actually read it you'll see that. Given that most people looking at this thread think it's about whether GS pregnancy makes sense, and not a character back story.

I stopped posting, because it's really a moot point anymore given that making insults that have nothing to do with the post or topic at all passes for "criticism" in the eyes of moderators on this forum. PB and I misunderstood eachothers post in the beginning, quite obviously, since he thinks I'm saying something I'm not and apparently I think he's saying something he's not. But instead of trying to sort it out, he continued on in the same vein and took it as a license to be an asshole.. though judging from other posts in other threads it doesn't take much for that.

Call me immature or say I'm like some other character player (honestly, I don't know who any of them are so it doesn't offend me) but no, I don't like sitting around being insulted for things I never said and never did.

So, I'll just bear in mind that I should never use these forums for anything with an RP purpose, or really anything that isn't negatively smashing on other people, which seems to be the main purpose and passtime here unless you're in a few select areas. All I can say is thank god a lot of the posters don't play GS still.

[GoingGone]

Rhavnos carries his baby in his jacket. See?

Rhavnos gets a shriveled dead baby from his jacket.

Rhavnos hugs his dead baby. **cRuNcH**

Rhavnos grabs his dead baby by a leg and whips it around raggedly in a circle over his head.

Rhavnos draws out two more dead babies, and proceeds to juggle.

Rhavnos finishes the display by tossing all three babies into the air, dropping to his knees and pulling off his jacket, and catching them all within it. The babies make a flat *thud* against the ground as they hit, unseen within the folds of the jacket.

Rhavnos puts his jacket back on.

"Ta-daaa"

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Bored at work, saw a post about keeping a baby in a backpack.. twisted sense of humor took over. Enjoy.

[Bobmuhthol]

NARCISSIIA, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU STILL TALKING?

[Back]

I don’t blame Narcissiia in the least.

After posting some creative writing she gets dog-piled by griefers, tries to hold her own, then gets told by a moderator to shut-up and take it.

This thread is no where near an Atheana thread and Narcissiia is no where near Atheana.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Rhavnos carries his baby in his jacket. See?

Rhavnos gets a shriveled dead baby from his jacket.

Rhavnos hugs his dead baby. **cRuNcH**

Rhavnos grabs his dead baby by a leg and whips it around raggedly in a circle over his head.

Rhavnos draws out two more dead babies, and proceeds to juggle.

Rhavnos finishes the display by tossing all three babies into the air, dropping to his knees and pulling off his jacket, and catching them all within it. The babies make a flat *thud* against the ground as they hit, unseen within the folds of the jacket.

Rhavnos puts his jacket back on.

"Ta-daaa"

-----

Bored at work, saw a post about keeping a baby in a backpack.. twisted sense of humor took over. Enjoy.

Rhavnos WOULD keep a baby in a backpack..

>.>
<.<

Strata's baby.

*flees*

[CrystalTears]

I told her to shut up and take it? I told her that what she posted is subject to criticism. Suddenly she's immune to this because she writes well? Oh well excuse me then.

She deleted her original post. Whether it was justified or not, it makes the rest of the thread useless and it's because she couldn't handle criticism that she subjected the public to. If you don't want people to comment, you don't post it on public forum boards. This is not rocket science, just common sense.

[Back]

I told her to shut up and take it? I told her that what she posted is subject to criticism. Suddenly she's immune to this because she writes well? Oh well excuse me then.

She deleted her original post. Whether it was justified or not, it makes the rest of the thread useless and it's because she couldn't handle criticism that she subjected the public to. If you don't want people to comment, you don't post it on public forum boards. This is not rocket science, just common sense.

Of course you have your own opinions, you participate just like we all do, except you have a moderator title. Does this exempt you from your opinions? No, hell no! Moderators are people too, and you all do the best job you can do, and you post like we all do.

A moderator moved this thread to the proper topic: Roleplaying. That was good moderation. When this thread devolved into outright bashing, you did chime in with the “accept criticism” comment, which was good advice on your part, but since you have the ‘title’ of moderator it could be questioned why off-topic posts weren’t deleted or at least told to stop instead of encouraged.

[CrystalTears]

What was off topic? What is considered off topic? What she didn't like or that a segment of what she was discussing was pulled aside to discuss? This isn't allowed now? Why not?

I'm not trying to be difficult, but since you know what's allowed in this thread and what's not, point it out to me.

[Skirmisher]

Narcissiia, I'm sorry you took so much of the criticism which always comes when posting about rp that is more than just an occasional "aye" to heart.

I don't think you should let someone else make you stop posting , but you do need to be prepared for the sort of sarcasm that is inevitable with such rp postings.

Not everyone will post scathing remarks, but a few surely will every time. They just find it silly and insist on posting so as is their right.

CT was absolutely right in saying that people can post comments good or bad regarding the roleplaying as thats what having a message board is all about.

What you need to do is just ignore such flaming posts or things will degenerate as we have had happen here.

Your decision to post or not to post is of course only yours to make, but I hope you make it because it is what you want rather than what you feel pushed into.

[Jolena]

:yeahthat:

[Back]

What was off topic? What is considered off topic? What she didn't like or that a segment of what she was discussing was pulled aside to discuss? This isn't allowed now? Why not?

I'm not trying to be difficult, but since you know what's allowed in this thread and what's not, point it out to me.

It just seems to me like this thread started out in the wrong topic, was moved to the correct topic, but the conversation went on and on and you encouraged it. Be it your opinion, fine. But I don’t see why since this thread was moved to the appropriate topic that certain posts weren’t moved. Because its a new topic alltogether...

Someone posts their own personal roleplay in a (properly moved) roleplay topic. They get some criticism on their roleplay style. That happens. However, the subject of the roleplay in general could be its own topic in and of itself.

The tide on this thread turned when you chimed in with your “Atheana”*comment.

[HarmNone]

It's not that easy to tell what's on topic and what's not in this thread. The originally posted story brought up the topic of pregnancy as a part of in-game roleplay. Any thoughts or opinions on that subject are, therefore, on topic as related to the story. That would include criticism, praise, and general comments on the validity of a given type of roleplay.

Skirmisher is spot-on. If you post something here you're going to get all kinds of comments and opinions. To me, the best thing to do is to take to heart that which can be useful to you and ignore the hell out of the rest of it.

We try to take out obviously off-topic material, but we're not always able to get at it immediately, and in a thread like this it's often difficult to discern what's off-topic and what isn't. Some things are sorta borderline. :shrug:

Oh, and for the record...never delete something you've posted once a shit storm starts to build. It won't help. It only makes things worse. Just ride it out and ignore those who would use any opportunity to insult someone. It's really not worth your time to mess with them.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I'm on many forums, so I'm used to criticism. I will never accept what happened in this thread as criticism. It was sexually frustrated males with small penises trying to make themselves feel better by being assholes. Criticism in it's very nature is intended to be constructive and do something positive. Flaming in it's very nature is intended to hurt or upset the other person. Many of the insulting comments were intended to belittle and hurt me, not to make some sort of positive change, by their nature (not their wording).

Given the other huge amounts of crap (including recent stuff) going on at these boards, I have a thick skin as long as things make a little bit of sense. But, this thread stopped making sense when I realized no one read anything that I was posting in the first place. There were about 10 posts after I changed the first post, before anyone even realized I had done that.

And Backlash is entirely right, when CT posted what she did she just backed up and encouraged the outright assholishness. Mods can have their opinions, but I don't expect them to be one of the people acting like mighty assholes for no reason. But at least now I know what to expect.

[CrystalTears]

The tide on this thread turned when you chimed in with your “Atheana”*comment. I said it because she deleted her first post because she didn't like the outcome of this thread. I'll call that to anyone who does that asshattery. Don't like it? Don't do it. Period. The shit had hit the fan way before I said anything, thanks.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Because she deleted her first post because she didn't like the outcome of this thread. I'll call that to anyone who does that asshattery. Don't like it? Don't do it. Period.

No, I deleted it because no one was reading it anyway.

[Bobmuhthol]

That must be it.

[HarmNone]

Ummm...I was. ;)

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Ummm...I was. ;)

Correction then.. people who were posting weren't. ;) Except for a select few in the very beginning

[HarmNone]

Heh. I think you had quite a few people who found the story quite well done. I know I did. Whether or not pregnancy belongs in GemStone is of no interest to me, so I sorta ignored those who expressed opinions in that regard. I just enjoyed the story. :)

[Back]

I said it because she deleted her first post because she didn't like the outcome of this thread. I'll call that to anyone who does that asshattery. Don't like it? Don't do it. Period. The shit had hit the fan way before I said anything, thanks.

You, as a moderator (Super Moderator as your title shows), fueled the fire.

We as posters have the ability to edit our posts as we see fit. That seems fair enough.

Oddly enough, you were fine with the whole thread until you decided it was necessary to jump in on the gang-bang.

[Artha]

We as posters have the ability to edit our posts as we see fit. That seems fair enough.

You can edit a thread to correct a dumb grammatical error or fix UBB codes. It strikes me as somewhat silly and possibly unethical to edit the first post of a thread because you don't like how the rest of the thread turned out. It never ends well if it gets to that point (see: Klaive and Atheana).

[Alfster]

I'm on many forums, so I'm used to criticism. I will never accept what happened in this thread as criticism. It was sexually frustrated males with small penises trying to make themselves feel better by being assholes.

Be nice to Backlash, he's actually trying to help you out.

I don't understand why you say that pregnancy in gemstone is off topic, as that was a part of your first post initially (before the 7798976786789678 edits).

[Skirmisher]

I'm on many forums,... Many of the insulting comments were intended to belittle and hurt me, not to make some sort of positive change, by their nature (not their wording).
If you are a regular on many forums than the practices employed by those who enjoy an occasional or even regular flame post should not be unexpected though.


And Backlash is entirely right, when CT posted what she did she just backed up and encouraged the outright assholishness. Mods can have their opinions, but I don't expect them to be one of the people acting like mighty assholes for no reason. But at least now I know what to expect.
I have to disagree with you here and say that I do not think that CT was at all being an asshole but instead giving you sound, if unpleasant at the time, advice.

The thread degenerated ONLY due to your strong reactions to the derisive comments of a few. You have to know that you will never ever win those people over to your point of view regarding that kind of RP and will only ensure that they follow up with future posts when you answer back and especially whe you try to get involved in a game of insults with them.

That is nearly always guaranteed to be an automatic loss for you as I assure you that though your posts will in no way bother them, they already know that theirs are bothering you.

[Asha]

Narcissiia, if you and your folks in game choose to play the baby thing and it works so you all enjoy it, then just do what you've been doing all along.
Most here disagree with its validity, but it's not the end of the world.
That's where a discussion takes place.
If you're sick of trying to get your point across, just accept they probably don't want to see it your way.
If someone flames, ignore them.
Hurling insults back (as Skirmisher said ) won't win anyone over.
Deleting the initial subject matter definately won't since there's no proof or example.
If you're into it, good luck. Have a blast.
Personally I animate troll kings and have them dance for me.

[Parkbandit]

Since this was in the roleplaying folder and she even said that it was a roleplay she had used.. please show me where any of this was off topic. If this was in the "Creative Writing" section and she didn't say that it was a roleplay she had used.. you might have a point.

Public forums are a real bitch sometime. Unless you are running them yourself, you are at the mercy of the readers and the moderators. Sometimes they come out the way you had imagined.. "Great story!" "Wow, that really was creative!".. and sometimes they don't.

Sorry if I had a hand in making this thread something you didn't intend it to be... but those are the breaks. Had you simply ignored my initial post.. or had been a little less defensive about your opinion, this may have turned out better. Instead, you chose to defend your position regarding roleplaying outside the mechanics.. and then the shitstorm ensued.

And for anyone to be blaming the moderators or CT in particular.. you certainly have a problem with reading comprehension. I suggest you go back to page one and catch up.

[Leetahkin]

Narcissiia-

I have been down this road more times than I should have, even recently.
Try to take it with a grain of salt.
And, if you have your story saved, it'd be ideal to put it back up in the first post of yours.
You can't play your game here; you gotta play theirs.

[Ilvane]

It's one of those things, if you post something here you are going to have to expect some criticism and some of it is not going to be nice. I've seen far worse insults, in fact.

Sometimes you just have to take it with a grain of salt. Unfortunately, if you post it..there are going to be comments, and sometimes you aren't going to like it.

I think it was a bad idea to take down your post. Obviously people were reading it.:-P

Angela

[Stretch]

Go drink some tea and save us the fucking sob story.

Jesus Christ, it wasn't that big a deal. So what if PB doesn't approve of your RP? #1, he's old. #2, he doesn't play Gemstone anymore. #3, he got killed by Warclaidhm, so any opinion of his is effectively moot.

On a side note, I thought the whole concept behind the idea was dumb as well.

[DeV]

Oh, and for the record...never delete something you've posted once a shit storm starts to build. It won't help. It only makes things worse. Just ride it out and ignore those who would use any opportunity to insult someone. It's really not worth your time to mess with them.That, and seriously, don't defend your roleplay and don't expect everyone to agree with it. Gemstone and mechanics... yada yada, it's fantasy roleplay. Just do what makes you happy. No one is paying for your subscription but you afterall.

Just my two cents.

[thornhappy]

I know a lot of you, and respect a lot of you. I think some of you find far too much joy in making other people miserable.

I also think we all know, if you want to post a character story and not be criticized/flamed for it.. Go post on the officials. If they like it, their lips will be glued to your nether regions. If they don't, they'll ignore it.

Don't come here and expect anything 'constructive'. It can happen, but it definitely shouldn't be expected.

[Latrinsorm]

Just do what makes you happy.
Narcissiia, if you and your folks in game choose to play the baby thing and it works so you all enjoy it, then just do what you've been doing all along.Ehhh, these are the sort of attitudes that aren't really conducive to an immersive roleplaying environment. We shouldn't just go by palate when it comes to a roleplaying concept, because (as we're all aware) people can find some really peculiar things pleasant as a roleplaying concept. They're not wrong in finding the concept pleasant (as an RPing concept), but GemStone isn't an anything-goes game, and it's irresponsible and disrespectful to encourage such an environment.

It's sort of like if a guy on my softball team decided he was going to play the game however he felt like: running the bases in reverse order, charging the opposing pitcher as he threw, grabbing the bases and scampering around in a madcap fashion while on the field, and so on. Yes, he paid to play in the league with his own money. Eventually he'll be thrown out, yeah, but why screw up the game for everyone else as he does so? We all agreed to the rules when we started playing, whether tacitly or explicitly, it's just disrespectful to cast them aside when it suits us. Payment isn't a license to dick around.

As to the situation at hand, as I've said before, it doesn't appear to me that a pregnant (female) character is counter to the letter or the spirit of the existing mechanics (though clearly it isn't explicitly allowed). The arguments against seem to be based on the inappropriate actions of a pregnant character as opposed to pregnancy per se, and it's pretty clear that inappropriate actions do not necessarily exist.

[Parkbandit]

Go drink some tea and save us the fucking sob story.

Jesus Christ, it wasn't that big a deal. So what if PB doesn't approve of your RP? #1, he's old. #2, he doesn't play Gemstone anymore. #3, he got killed by Warclaidhm, so any opinion of his is effectively moot.

On a side note, I thought the whole concept behind the idea was dumb as well.

Post reported.

Now die in a fire.. non-fatally.

[Asha]

Meh Latrinsorm!
I wouldn't have told her to do what makes her happy if it was something totally dissruptive.
I don't think RPing pregnancy among friends is bad at all. So long as no-one's being upset by it ect ect.
Existence of babies would mean existence of boobs too. You see why I need this. :(

[DeV]

Ehhh, these are the sort of attitudes that aren't really conducive to an immersive roleplaying environment.
It's akin to people that have a problem with those who use scripts to hunt, heal, complete guild reps, or even to travel between towns. Those particular uses may or may not be conducive to the roleplaying environment as a whole depending on the prude questioning such actions or your average overly concerned individual having a problem with what they might consider cheating, but it is accepted as apart of the game and/or dealt with appropriately when abused. (For the record, I don't have any problems with the use of scripts in game)

The fact that she roleplayed a pregnant Elf of whatever race does not impact my character at all, does not impede upon my enjoyment of the game in anyway what so ever, nor does it advocate an attitude that insinuates one does not care about the complexities of the roleplaying environment as it relates to others. The fact that it impedes upon your enjoyment or whatever of the game sounds like a personal problem, and one which I do not share, hence my comment.

<<but GemStone isn't an anything-goes game>>

No one said that specifically. Doing what makes her happy does not automatically signify that she should play Gemstone with an attitude that suggests "anything goes" either. Doing what makes her happy within the confines of actual "roleplaying", while remaining completely undisruptive of others in the process of that roleplay goes without saying.

[Latrinsorm]

Existence of babies would mean existence of boobs too.That's an excellent point.
The fact that it impedes upon your enjoyment or whatever of the game sounds like a personal problem, and one which I do not share, hence my comment.I'd say the only personal problem evidenced here is a lack of reading comprehension or retention on your part.
No one said that specifically.If someone told me to do whatever made me happy, I wouldn't assume there was another, hidden directive.
Doing what makes her happy within the confines of actual "roleplaying", while remaining completely undisruptive of others in the process of that roleplay goes without saying.Why would that go without saying? In any event, the clarification of your position is much more supportable (though that's not much of a word).

[DeV]

I'd say the only personal problem evidenced here is a lack of reading comprehension or retention on your part.To be honest, I tend to skip over most of the nonsensical drivel you sometimes post and try to get to the meat of the matter. Apparently, I was initially unsuccessful in this instance. My bad.


someone told me to do whatever made me happy, I wouldn't assume there was another, hidden directive. Why am I not surprised. By the way, you don't have to answer that. It's rhetorical and I completely understand why you would have to be given additional directives. :)

Why would that go without saying?I'll quote Nevermind on this one. "I wouldn't have told her to do what makes her happy if it was something totally dissruptive." That's reason enough, plus the fact that she isn't retarded and wouldn't need explicit instructions on the many ways to roleplay without creating hinderance.



In any event, the clarification of your position is much more supportable (though that's not much of a word).Condelezza Rice uses it, thus it is definitely a word. As to the the clarification of my position: Precisely.

[Latrinsorm]

Apparently, I was initially unsuccessful in this instance. My bad.
NP. :heart:
By the way, you don't have to answer that.Well, it didn't even have a question mark on it, so I'd be on thin ice anyway.

I'm confident in my (and Narcissiia's) roleplaying education with regards to the stated directive. A cursory examination of the current GS climate shows such confidence in the population at large is ill-placed. That's why I took issue with the attitudes as they relate to the environment, not Narcissiia in particular.

[DeV]

I'm confident in my (and Narcissiia's) roleplaying education with regards to the stated directive. A cursory examination of the current GS climate shows such confidence in the population at large is ill-placed. That's why I took issue with the attitudes as they relate to the environment, not Narcissiia in particular.I'm confident in her roleplaying education as well, which is why I felt no additional directive was necessary when I said to do what makes her happy.

Alternately, the current climate of GS was of little importance to me when I made the open-ended statement to her, one person, namely Narcissiia.

We all have our opinions and not everyone will agree however, the next time I post an open-ended statement that you may take issue with please be sure you have read my statement in the context that it was written before commenting your dissatisfaction. That is my only request.

In conclusion, I'm returning the :heart: because today is a good day.

[Ignot]

Next thing you know someone is going to roleplay VD..... Good thing i started wearing that rolton condom.

[Back]

For the record... I had a GM my char banged decide to get pregnant which I was completely against as a player. She went out hunting and no amount of words from my char dissuaded her char. She would even die and resurrect without blinking an eye while my char flipped out.

I’m not a fan of pregnancy in game when both parties are not on the same page. My problem was banging a GM in the first place.

[Fission]

Next thing you know someone is going to roleplay VD..... Good thing i started wearing that rolton condom.

That or load up on 104. From the Minor Spiritual page:

Disease Resist provides an additional spirit warding against any disease if the first one fails.

The time the spell lasts is cumulative, multiple casts when you know you are going to be subjected to disease would be a good idea.

[Ignot]

ah excellent idea