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FinisWolf
06-29-2006, 01:50 AM
Enhancive System Changes · on 6/28/2006 1:06:19 PM https://www.play.net/images/forums/links-arrows.gif (http://forum.gsplayers.com/) 1338 (https://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=102&category=1&topic=1&message=1338) https://www.play.net/images/transparent.gifhttps://www.play.net/images/transparent.gifThe enhancive item/effect system has been updated to properly convert boosts (or penalties) to Skill Bonuses into their equivalent Skill Ranks and boosts/penalties to Stat Bonuses into their equivalent Base Stat. Previously, enhancements to Skill Bonuses did not effect Skill Ranks nor did enhancements to Stat Bonuses affect the Base Stat.

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Celephais
06-29-2006, 11:17 AM
Wait... where does that sit diminishing return wise? If you have a +5 skill item is it now +5 ranks or +1 ranks? Or does the item still give you +5 skill, and then 1 to 5 ranks based on how many ranks you actually have?

Bobmuhthol
06-29-2006, 11:58 AM
From what I can tell, you get the rank equivalent from the item now and then having that rank subsequently increases your skill. A +5 bonus if you have no ranks in that skill will grant +1 rank (and +5 skill from that rank), but if it's something you have 40+ ranks in you'll get +5 ranks (and +5 skill from those ranks).

Celephais
06-29-2006, 01:11 PM
I'll test it out when I get home, was just curious if anyone already had.

Celephais
06-29-2006, 09:08 PM
They did not nerf with this... I was worried that a +5 skill item would actually be a +1 rank... just confirming that if you have 40+ ranks, and hold a +5 skill item it does give you 5 ranks. I can't test what happens in those weird levels though (for example if you currently have 10 ranks, if it gives you +1.2 ranks or +1 or something weird)

I'm curious to see what would happen if you had a +5 air lore item, and currently had 18 ranks... if you could cast Tonis bolt or not.

Renian
06-30-2006, 03:20 PM
The change has interesting effects with surge.

>info
Name: Renian Race: Giant Profession: Rogue (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 46 Expr: 3706182 Level: 62
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 97 (38) ... 97 (38)
(SNIP)
>cman surge
You focus deep within yourself, searching for untapped sources of strength.
You feel incredibly stronger.
>info
Name: Renian Race: Giant Profession: Rogue (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 46 Expr: 3706182 Level: 62
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 97 (38) ... 137 (58)

Woot. The addition to the base stat also seems to make surge give an increased encumberance bonus. Before, my surge was able to knock off up to four RT. Now I've seen it knock off at least six.

Bobmuhthol
06-30-2006, 04:19 PM
>weight
>weight
You carefully examine your physique and figure you weigh about 368 pounds.
>
You carefully examine your physique and figure you weigh about 370 pounds.
>weight
You carefully examine your physique and figure you weigh about 370 pounds.
>cman surge
You focus deep within yourself, searching for untapped sources of strength.
You feel a fair amount stronger.
>weight
You carefully examine your physique and figure you weigh about 385 pounds.
>weight
You carefully examine your physique and figure you weigh about 385 pounds.
>weight
You carefully examine your physique and figure you weigh about 389 pounds.
>

That's with 1 rank.

Bobmuhthol
06-30-2006, 04:20 PM
You carefully examine your physique and figure you weigh about 368 pounds.
>weight
You carefully examine your physique and figure you weigh about 368 pounds.
>weight
You carefully examine your physique and figure you weigh about 372 pounds.
>cman surge
You focus deep within yourself, searching for untapped sources of strength.
You feel significantly stronger.
>weight
You carefully examine your physique and figure you weigh about 390 pounds.
>weight
You carefully examine your physique and figure you weigh about 397 pounds.
>weight
You carefully examine your physique and figure you weigh about 398 pounds.

2 ranks.

It looks like I can hold at least 50 more pounds without being encumbered if I use 2-rank surge.