PvP vs RP/PvE Servers

[Parkbandit]

If you people would get off that god forsaken "roleplaying" carebear server.. I would LOVE to play with you all.

For The Horde

[Wezas]

I don't think PB can handle the RP server. He was struggling when he created Falgrin, he doesn't have a chance by now.

[AnticorRifling]

I'm in the same boat as PB. Hell even the other night when Dunemaul went down it was a fight to log in to Anticor the warlock on AD.... Reroll pvp horde imo.

[Parkbandit]

I don't think PB can handle the RP server. He was struggling when he created Falgrin, he doesn't have a chance by now.

Wezas, I started WoW on an RP server. There is no roleplaying... it's simply a different way to play the game where you only have to worry about the other faction at all. You can run right into the middle of Horde controlled territory and dance with any player's toon without a single chance of combat.

It simply isn't fun for me. The people are extremely fun, but the game isn't.

Reroll on any pvp server and I'll be there with you all.

[DeV]

A couple of us were getting ganked the other day on the RP server by a rather bored 60 Undead Horde.

The battlegrounds are lots of fun also. Nice compensation for general boredom that may be felt. Playing with friends makes it worth it. Plus, being able to switch back and forth between servers adds a nice benefit when I tire of being ganked constantly by multiple Alliance out to prove their e-peen is bigger than the next toons.

Though, there is little to no RP on this particular RP server.

[Wezas]

I already have alts on Dunemaul. I got tired of level 60 alliance ganking my level 34 ass in Shimmering Flats. Nothing better to do than chase me down on their epic mounts, kill me, and then proceed to camp my corpse until I finally decide to do a spirit raise.

I realize it's not as intense/exciting. We're having fun anyways, getting people through quests, upgrading their gear, taking on instances that people haven't seen.

Honestly we don't miss/need you. I was just trying to be polite.

[StrayRogue]

Totally 100% agree. Half the fun, half the danger of grinding in contested terriroty isn't the fact you might die to a mob (that itself is actually just annoying), but rather whether or not some ally or horde is gonna attack you. Not being able to ambush people makes the rogue class irrelevent pretty much.

[StrayRogue]

Plus I agree that PvE and RP servers (even though there is no difference) are for carebears.

[Some Rogue]

Eh, I've found the people on AD to be a hell of a lot nicer than the majority of people on Dunemaul. Plus, you don't have to deal with the "OMG LOLOLOL U R NUB" type people.
It's funny all the people who put down RP servers on a board dedicated to an RP game you all used to play.

[StrayRogue]

There is no RP on an RP server though, smart ass.

[Some Rogue]

Totally 100% agree. Half the fun, half the danger of grinding in contested terriroty isn't the fact you might die to a mob (that itself is actually just annoying), but rather whether or not some ally or horde is gonna attack you. Not being able to ambush people makes the rogue class irrelevent pretty much.

It's dangerous but I don't find it fun being the target of someone 20 levels over myself with nothing better to do than be an annoying jackoff. Dying to a mob, while annoying, you have some control over; tools who wanna troll lowbie zones and grief people is more annoying by far and there's not a thing you can do about it.

[Some Rogue]

There is no RP on an RP server though, smart ass.

Maybe not on yours, dumb ass. I see just as much on AD as I ever did in GS.

[DeV]

Eh, I've found the people on AD to be a hell of a lot nicer than the majority of people on Dunemaul.qft

But it really doesn't matter. I play PvP and RP and have fun doing it. The game as a whole is what you make of it regardless of the server you play on.

[Gan]

I'm on a PvE and now with the Fury on a RP server.

I've experienced PvP on both. On my PvE server, I flag regularly just to draw conflict or the chance to throw down. My 43 lock is finally coming into his own with power and potency, which was evident with collecting 9 HK's the other night when I was farming linen in Moonbrook and some 50'ish Horde decided to grief on the newbies in the area. TONS OF FUN!

I'm also waiting patiently for getting my first HK with my newbie hunter on AD, I've jumped into a few conflicts but have not come out effective enough for a kill.

I see a lot of folks RP'ing in and around the major inns or towns. Some of it good, some of it sucking serious ass. And the dancing naked on the rooftops is just plain scary.

I do like the option of being flagged when I want, and unflagged when I"m not in the mood to mix it up. Thats something I dont think you have an option for on a PvP server, at least I dont think you do. Having the power to choose is pretty heavy in my book.

[Wezas]

Also, tards like Xyelin and Alfster camping redridge (an area for mid-late teens alliance) make PvP unenjoyable at times.

[Parkbandit]

Honestly we don't miss/need you. I was just trying to be polite.

WoW... Way Harsh.

I just said I would love you play wow with you all... but the thought of playing it on a rp server where I need permission to attack my sworn enemy makes me vomit slightly in my mouth.

[Parkbandit]

Maybe not on yours, dumb ass. I see just as much on AD as I ever did in GS.

Not the best of benchmarks in my opinion.

[Axhinde]

They both have their pros and cons. Even PvP servers get boring. Honestly, unless you're a raid whore or enjoy spending 10 hours in BGs, there isn't much left to do besides ganking. The RP servers are just the same, minus the ganking.

Also, all this talk about PvP server being more intense is laughable when referring to Dunemaul. Considering it's one of the smallest PvP servers available, I could grind for hours without fear of seeing any Alliance. I'd bet money that life on Arthas is much more intense than most Dunemaulians could take.

[Alfster]

Also, tards like Xyelin and Alfster camping redridge (an area for mid-late teens alliance) make PvP unenjoyable at times.

That's because you have a giant vagina

[Gan]

That's because you have a giant vagina

Actually, its probably just your way of overcompensating for having your lunch money stolen, (jacked), [beat out of you] every day in school.

:whistle:

[Alfster]

Actually, its probably just your way of overcompensating for having your lunch money stolen, (jacked), [beat out of you] every day in school.

:whistle:

Actually it's how I waste the boredom when waiting for an instance group or what i'd do after I got corpse camped.

[Artha]

How is it fun?

[Alfster]

It's a lot of fun playing chase with the 60's that roam the zone...especially when you're only 40

[HarmNone]

That's because you have a giant vagina

Oh, boy, Wezas! Have you been insulted, or what? You may not recover from this onslaught of scintillating intellect. We'll weep for ya.

[Alfster]

Oh, boy, Wezas! Have you been insulted, or what? You may not recover from this onslaught of scintillating intellect. We'll weep for ya.

I wasn't insulting the man, I was pointing out his vagina-ness with regards to a PVP server

[Sean of the Thread]

Also, tards like Xyelin and Alfster camping redridge (an area for mid-late teens alliance) make PvP unenjoyable at times.


That's part of the game playa. Playing tag and the wars with capped players that show up in the noob zones are some of the funnest fights I've ever had. PvP servers are not for everyone and thus why you can enjoy a THRILLING evening fluffin carebear dicks doing Deadmines runs all the fucking time on "AD"

Back when I started playing before BGS "invading" zones was how the war was fought and huge battles ensued.

Now.. lets think of a way to end this thread proper like... ahhh HITLER! Now days the pwning of mid teen zones is like bombing Nazi factories into dust.. cept Redridge is an ally noob factory and my druid is the B-17 bommmmmber. Gotta slow down their war machine man.. or you can go /dance with them on carebear servers.

[StrayRogue]

Yep Xyelin, I have fond memories of constant battles between Tarren Mill and that other stupid Ally town that was right next to it. That was a constant battle field.

Plus all this shit about "getting ganked by some guy 20 lvls above me all the time" is totally blown way out of proportion. It happens, yes, but not as often as people like to whine about it. Skilled players, generally, can avoid such things.

Finally, if you think there is more RP on AD than in GS, you must be fucking blind, deaf, and terminally retarded.

[CrystalTears]

Plus all this shit about "getting ganked by some guy 20 lvls above me all the time" is totally blown way out of proportion. Whatever man. Anything anyone tells you about their experience won't mean anything to you anyway. It DID happen, quite often. STV is just one place that it was commonplace to get ganked by older level characters. Redridge is famous for having level 50+ characters camp Lakeshire, a 15-25 level area.

[AnticorRifling]

I love camping Redridge, and Thels(something) on the way to Iron Forge.

[Some Rogue]

Finally, if you think there is more RP on AD than in GS, you must be fucking blind, deaf, and terminally retarded.

How the fuck would you know anyway? Do you even have an american version of the game or are you just talking out of your ass again?

I enjoyed the battles at TM and Southshore too, when I turned 60 and could fight other 60's. I just never enjoyed the going to lowbie zones and ganking for no reason. To me, it feels like being an adult and going to a playground and pushing the little kids down and laughing at them. It takes no skill and makes you look like a total tool.

[AnticorRifling]

You use them as bait so that they will call their lvl 60 friends to their aid. Plus it's fun as hell when you see like 10 60s show up when it's just you and and a rogue that sounded the alarm. It's even more fun when you can wax like 4-6 of them before they kill you.

[Some Rogue]

So why not just go to the 60's zone and gank them?

[Skirmisher]

I'd say three things in my experiences so far regarding WoW, pvp and rp.

1) There is no way to compare the amount of roleplay that goes on in GS, as reduced as it may be from years past, to that in WoW. GS will always have far far greater roleplay.

2) Though i have tended to not look at WoW as much of a roleplaying environment rather as a tactical game I must admit to being surprised at the number of people I have met that have actually roleplayed in Wow.

3) I certainly have not been one to go looking for pvp, yet even I have been involved in three incidents already involving horde players that I must say were alot of fun. I died, but they were still fun. :)

[DeV]

They both have their pros and cons. Even PvP servers get boring. Honestly, unless you're a raid whore or enjoy spending 10 hours in BGs, there isn't much left to do besides ganking. The RP servers are just the same, minus the ganking.

Also, all this talk about PvP server being more intense is laughable when referring to Dunemaul. Considering it's one of the smallest PvP servers available, I could grind for hours without fear of seeing any Alliance. I'd bet money that life on Arthas is much more intense than most Dunemaulians could take.Tichondruis is the same. If I decide to gank some lowbies with my Shaman they have to be at least 40 and up. There is no fun in killing a lowbie in one hit for me.

I will honestly say that on Dunemaul I get ganked everyday. Maybe it's because of the areas I quest but I definitely experience it on a daily. Hell, I welcome it since I tend to take out my frustrations in the battlegrounds anyway. Works for me. Ever since Moo turned 50 I give the 60's a run for their money even if they succeed in ganking my ass. There are areas on Dunemaul that are breeding grounds for 60's ganking players as low as 25 just for the hell of it. (Nessie, Tanaris, TM are just a few places) When you're trying to complete a quest it is not fun, at least for the lowbie, but it's part of the game. I think it's dumb to compare servers at any point. People get what they want out of the game and put what they want into it. Not everyone plays WoW for the enjoyment that comes from PvP and others truly attempt to roleplay on the RP servers, but it certainly isn't a requirement as I don't on AD.

If you don't like playing on the RP servers, then don't. No harm, no foul. I don't see the big f'ing deal if someone truly enjoys playing with friends on an RP or PvP server and having a good time doing it. That's the point of the game anyway.

Carebare or not, so what. As long as folks are enjoying themselves and having fun doing what makes them happy no one else should really give a damn.

[StrayRogue]

How the fuck would you know anyway? Do you even have an american version of the game or are you just talking out of your ass again?



Yeah, I do have an American version of the game. I was playing it before most the people on these boards got into it.

So you lose noob.

[Some Rogue]

So why'd you quit and go to an EU server? And do you still log into any american server?

[StrayRogue]

You can do both. There is a file you can change in the config which has a tag that reads either /EU or /US that determines your realm.

I played the US servers until the EU ones were released, whereby I left for reasons that I am sure Nien would understand: too late raid times, and the oppurtunity to play with close friends.

I log in on occasion to the US servers, mainly on Dunemaul, as I found the carebear reality of AD far too boring without any RP to speak of (despite Kev, Izalude's, best efforts).

[Nieninque]

I played the US servers until the EU ones were released, whereby I left for reasons that I am sure Nien would understand: too late raid times, and the oppurtunity to play with close friends.

Absolutely.
The first one I understand wholeheartedly.
Raid times are a killer. Start at 2am :(

I dont understand the second one though. All my friends think I am weird for playing video games.

This thread is so funny.
Polarised arguments about how people who play on are [insert insult].

People pay their money to play the game how they want to. Blizzard allows for that in providing different server types for the range of tastes.

For people that want to RP, there are servers for that and there are guilds that are heavily RP motivated. Sure, in the main the server consists of very little RP per square mile, but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

On PvP servers, you get idiots who love to gank people 20 levels lower. But that doesnt make up the whole server. I am currently levelling an alliance druid on a PvP server (I deleted my AD toons, because it just wasnt my thing) and have had two incidents so far (my druid is 30) where I have been camped by a moron. In the first week of being able to PvP she is rank 2 already and I am thoroughly enjoying it, [i]because that is how I llike to play the game.

Just because someone enjoys it differently, doesnt mean they are any less of a player/person/wtfever.

And you know, when I am providing the voice of reason in any debate of any kind, that it is one fucked up debate.

[AnticorRifling]

Do what we do. Take it to IronForge. :cool:

[Wezas]

Absolutely.
The first one I understand wholeheartedly.
Raid times are a killer. Start at 2am :(

I started a UBRS raid Sat night at 2am. I didn't realize they can be 3 hours long. I was draggin the next morning.


And you know, when I am providing the voice of reason in any debate of any kind, that it is one fucked up debate.

QFT

[Some Rogue]

(I deleted my AD toons, because it just wasnt my thing)

OMG, I want my stuff back!! :wink1: That low level bag I sent broke my bank!

[Sean of the Thread]

STV is designed to cause mass amounts of ganking and pvp. There are alternative areas if you can't handle the heat. I love the excitement it generates.. but hey different strokes for different folks.

Hehe assasinating noobs who have 60 friends there power'n em up and protecting them is quite fun.

[DeV]

Speaking of STV. The other day, I'm farming for shadowskin and a level 47 Rogue comes up behind to try and gank me. Well, I pwn his ass. Not only do I pwn it once, but three times because the idiot doesn't have a clue that he has absolutely no chance against me. After the third time I set a frost trap and continue farming for shadowskin. Next thing I know a f'ing 60 Pally shows up, proceeds to kill me, then they camp me for 15 minutes. Times like that, while exciting, can also be kinda frustrating. It comes with the game though. No way I'm going to hunt a different area just because that happens every now and then.

[Parkbandit]

Speaking of STV. The other day, I'm farming for shadowskin and a level 47 Rogue comes up behind to try and gank me. Well, I pwn his ass. Not only do I pwn it once, but three times because the idiot doesn't have a clue that he has absolutely no chance against me. After the third time I set a frost trap and continue farming for shadowskin. Next thing I know a f'ing 60 Pally shows up, proceeds to kill me, then they camp me for 15 minutes. Times like that, while exciting, can also be kinda frustrating. It comes with the game though. No way I'm going to hunt a different area just because that happens every now and then.

STV is known for ganking.

I was on my mage 2 days ago.. trying to get some gorilla fucking sinew. I had a rogue 2 levels above me try and gank me. God... mages are overpowered. I simply sheeped his ass.. finished the gorilla...did that mana regen talent.. wtfpwned him hard. He tried to vanish, but fireball ftw.

He ended up hanging around for about an hour... attacking every 5 minutes (the time where all his cooldowns came back) and ended up killing me once and that was only because a druid helped him.

I have to say though.. it made the hunt pretty exciting.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Next thing I know a f'ing 60 Pally shows up, proceeds to kill me, then they camp me for 15 minutes.

I've never been "camped" for longer than 5 minutes. Then again, I've only played 2 characters for any length of time--a 60 shaman (ghost wolf is 140% movement speed) and a 46 rogue (nearly impossible to camp since you can stealth as you rez).

Maybe I'm just spoiled because the only lower level character I've played in the last 6 months to a year has been a rogue. If you want to play on a PvP so that you can kill other players, but you don't want to face the risk of other players killing you--play a rogue. Playing a rogue is almost as bad as playing on the carebear servers, since you are basically choosing all of your fights, and which fights you want to avoid (/pvpoff). Even if you get killed once by surprise, you can just do one corpse run, stealth, and go fight other critters in the zone.

I find that like level Alliance that are grinding (killing like level critters for gold/experience) or questing don't want a fight 9 times out of 10 when I'm playing my rogue. Probably because even if they kill me, I can just go invisible and wait for them to engage a critter, or 50% health, before getting revenge.

To sum up, "Carebear by Association / Playing a Rogue" award goes to: Tea & Strumpets, Parkbandit, SomeRogue, and Strayrogue.

[DeV]

I simply sheeped his ass.. finished the gorilla..Haha, I hate when it happens to me but LOVE seeing it happen to the other side. Even better when it happens to a level 60 by someone 10 plus levels under them.

And for the record I really enjoy STV. It's probably one of the most challenging areas in the game as far as getting a quest done without being killed once or twice or even three times in the process.

Some 60 wtf ever she is named Wheela killed my hunter 2 times IN BB, like, in the actual town 2 days ago. I was sad because she did it from across the damn town and I couldn't even find her to "attempt" to handle her ass. Times like that I love that the other side can understand emotes if nothing else. Feign death ftl, on that ocassion.

[StrayRogue]

PvP trinket > Sheep

[Wezas]

What PvP rank do you need to get this "PvP trinket"?

Is it something the occasional BGer will ever see?

[StrayRogue]

Its rank 2, grunt/scout. Very easily attainable.

[Wezas]

It a quest, or is it just bought from merchants within BG after you attain that rank?

Because right now my trinkets are poopoo

[StrayRogue]

You buy it from the guard in front of the officers lounge. It just requires the rank.

[Sean of the Thread]

It's very easy to get. Once you get the rank (easy) you buy it from a vendor.

The times that I've been camped for any amount of time I either A) REALLY deserved it or B) go take the dog for a walk.. garbage out.. laundry and let them sit there wasting their time while I chuckle to myself about griefing their grief.

[Some Rogue]

Not every pvp trinket works on sheep though. It's class dependant. I know the warrior one doesn't. It's the one crowd control method I wish it did work against because I always get sheeped first thing.

[DeV]

I'm pretty sure the hunter one doesn't work on sheep either. Free action potions, ftw.

[Sean of the Thread]

Shapeshift ftw.

[Wezas]

Anyone know what the rogue PvP trinket does? I can't look at gaming sites from work.

[Some Rogue]

I know the horde one is charm, fear and something else. Not sure if horde and alliance trinkets are the same for each class. That's why so many people bitch about the overpoweredness of Will of the Forsaken. Rogues get 2 get out of fear free cards hehe.

[StrayRogue]

Undead rogues get will of the forsaken. The trinket dispels charm, fear and polymorph.

[Some Rogue]

Yes, I know it's undead that get Will of the Forsaken. I have a 60 undead rogue and since Wezas has a human rogue, I'm sure he knows he doesn't have WotF. I was just commenting that people bitch about undead rogues because they basically get 2 chances at breaking fear etc because of their trinket.

[StrayRogue]

Ammend your post above then and say undead rogues, and not just rogues.

[Wezas]

pissing competition aside, anyone know the human rogue pvp trinket?

[StrayRogue]

Yep.

[CrystalTears]

pissing competition aside, anyone know the human rogue pvp trinket?
learn2readomg

Undead rogues get will of the forsaken. The trinket dispels charm, fear and polymorph.
Heh, the trinket is the same for a rogue regardless of race. Which is why undead rogues get a double dose of anti-fear.

[Parkbandit]

It's very easy to get. Once you get the rank (easy) you buy it from a vendor.

The times that I've been camped for any amount of time I either A) REALLY deserved it or B) go take the dog for a walk.. garbage out.. laundry and let them sit there wasting their time while I chuckle to myself about griefing their grief.

I don't think I've ever been successfully "camped" before. As a shaman, I simply raised/ghostwolf/run away. As a rogue, they had zero chance of ever camping me. As a mage I raised up and blinked away.

Just keep raising at the edge and run in the opposite direction. It's actually very difficult to camp a good player.

[Wezas]

Hunters are pretty decent campers due to their humanoid detection. If they can spot you before you stealth/morph/get out of range they'll chase you down.

[StrayRogue]

learn2readomg

Heh, the trinket is the same for a rogue regardless of race. Which is why undead rogues get a double dose of anti-fear.

I know. I have an UD rogue on AD. I said that because that other random dude didn't specify who and who didn't get WoF.

[CrystalTears]

Obviously you know, since I was quoting you. I was explaining it to Wezas. As for Some Rogue, it's obvious he knew about undead rogues since he mentioned Will of the Forsaken to begin with, which only undead have.

OMG will this ever end? :lol:

[Wezas]

Ya, I was still lost. All I saw was talk about undead rogues and I kept saying to myself "wtf"

[Parkbandit]

That's because undead rogues kick ass.

[Sean of the Thread]

I don't think I've ever been successfully "camped" before. As a shaman, I simply raised/ghostwolf/run away. As a rogue, they had zero chance of ever camping me. As a mage I raised up and blinked away.

Just keep raising at the edge and run in the opposite direction. It's actually very difficult to camp a good player.


My priest was camped for some long periods.. Druid only been locked down a couple times and that was by a very pissed off army of characters.

edited to add there really isn't a reason to let yourself be corpse camped by a single player. Several is a different story.

[Axhinde]

PB, saying mages are overpowered when fighting rogues would make you 100% correct. Saying that mages are overpowered in general is, as has been discussed already, not logical. Rock, paper, scissors...unless you're a hunter or warlock.

I have a 60 mage on Dunemaul, and more classes give me a problem then I can utterly destroy (Warriors, rogues). Now, if you had said hunter itemization is overpowered, then I'd agree.

Damnit man! All this talk of PvP/PvE is making me want to log into Dunemaul again.

[Parkbandit]

Damnit man! All this talk of PvP/PvE is making me want to log into Dunemaul again.

Do it! I'll invite you into HoR!

[Nieninque]

I have a 60 mage on Dunemaul

Who?
And do you still play them?

[Nieninque]

You can do both. There is a file you can change in the config which has a tag that reads either /EU or /US that determines your realm.

Do you have an idiots guide to doing this Stay?
Kinda wanna try it.

[Sean of the Thread]

Who?
And do you still play them?

Think he has a 60 priest too.

[Wezas]

Think he has a 60 priest too.

No, it's a mage. People only think it's a priest because he wears cloth and touches little boys.

[StrayRogue]

Do you have an idiots guide to doing this Stay?
Kinda wanna try it.

Its fiddly, as you have to do multiple patch updates (as the EU and US ones are different), have two accounts (which requires two copies of the game - one US one EU), but here is the basics:

1) You have to sign up for your new account (in the EU or US)
2) Open your World of Warcraft folder and look for 'realmlist.wtf' (without the apostrophes) - open it up in a text editor
3) You'll see this -> set realmlist eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com (or us.logon.world.... if your copy is a US version)
4) Change the 'eu' or 'us' to the one you want to login to the next time you run the game
5) If you're on different game servers on the EU and US version (like me - stormrage in EU and Eitrigg in US) you'll be initially presented with the new character roll screen. Just choose the same server settings that you did originally (so, out of 'normal', 'pvp, etc etc and the same language) and hit 'Suggest Realm' - the resulting pop-up screen will suggest your originally chosen realm - click ok and then you'll have your existing character list load up.
6) Select you char and 'Enter World'!

When you want to switch back just do the same steps but change back the 'eu' or 'us' and you're sorted.

[Axhinde]

Do it! I'll invite you into HoR!

How many times have you said that? A bunch. You get me into HoR and I'll gladly play the mage.

Nien~

The mage is Aliver, and I haven't played him in about 2 weeks.

The priest is Naz, I stopped him at 46(just after the priest patch came out rofl), because it was way to damn easy.

The rogue is Manadu (TBF ftw!), who was my first guy ever on Dunemaul.

Definetly want to finish the priest and rogue off, but the mage review doesn't look so hot for PvP. Tried it out on the PTR and it was amazing buff for PvE.

[Alfster]

57 druid and no guild makes me sad

[DeV]

Since I keep getting error messages everytime I send a u2u I'm gonna post here instead. PB, would love for Moo to be re-invited into HoR. My alt is still in the guild I believe. If that's possible send me a msg either here or in game.

[Trouble]

Since I keep getting error messages everytime I send a u2u I'm gonna post here instead. PB, would love for Moo to be re-invited into HoR. My alt is still in the guild I believe. If that's possible send me a msg either here or in game.

Are you Mooella? My shaman is Moocifer in HoR. I think we had 3 "Moos" at one point in HoR; the other one had a C after the Moo, I think.

[DeV]

Oh, you are Moocifer. lol, I had no idea that was you. I miss you guys and I didn't realize so many folks from the boards were still in HoR. Yep, I'm Mooella and I want back in dammit!

[Alfster]

Wasn't Dave (Axhinde) a founding member of TBF?

[Tea & Strumpets]

Wasn't Dave (Axhinde) a founding member of TBF?

Might have been, but I think he decided to quit right when everyone started playing. I've been in TBF/HoR since December 04, and I've never seen him.

[Alfster]

One would think that'd get him in the door into HoR

[Parkbandit]

All he has to do is ask. I'll be in game tonight as Bayne, feel free to send me a tell for an invite.