WoW Fantasy PvP: Who would win 1 vs 1?

[Tsa`ah]

The hunter.

[AnticorRifling]

Feral druid.

[Tsa`ah]

Feral druid.

Fear beast spam, aimed/multi/viper, feign/ice ... aimed/multi/viper. Repeat as necessary.

Cry like a noob after because you can't skin feral druids.

[Sean of the Thread]

Hunters are paper and feral druids are the industrial paper shredder.

[Tsa`ah]

Hunters are paper and feral druids are the industrial paper shredder.

Say that between fears and ice with no mana.

[Nieninque]

Hunter that fears beast and then viper stings = le dumbass.
Unless the beast is travelform or aquatic form

And I posted in here so that my comment can stay with the others once the thread is split :P

[Skeeter]

shadow priests melt faces

[Hips]

shadow priests melt faces

seconded

[Axhinde]

Good Hemo rogues, well played mages, SL Warlocks.

[Nieninque]

Leave warlocks out of this debate.

You cant count raid bosses.

[Parkbandit]

I think it's more about the player and not the class. It's also about who gets the first hit in and who has the best gear.

For my rogue, a paladin is the toughest opponent.. due to their ability to heal completely immune to all attacks. I also think Warlocks with their fel pets up are tough.

For my shaman though, paladins are chumps as well as Warlocks. My shaman has the most difficult time with druids and hunters.

[Wezas]

Step1) stealth, cheapshot, sinister strike, sinister strike, eviscerate, vanish
Step2) cheapshot, sinister strike, sinister strike, eviscerate, preparation, vanish
Step3) cheapshot, sinister strike, sinister strike, eviscerate

A few well placed kicks if needed also. Mages might not last to Step 3. Hunters mark is a sonofabitch tho.

[Nieninque]

Step1) stealth, cheapshot, sinister strike...

Step1) pvp trinket, scattershot, feign/trap, mark
Step 2) wait for cooldown then trap again (risky because the trap doesnt always last this long), aimed shot, multishot, concussive shot
Step3) deterrence, wingclip, scatter, aimed, multishot, QQ

[Wezas]

You're cheating w/ the pvp trinket!

[Nieninque]

Warlocks and Shadowpriests hurt my hunter badly.
Holy priests are generally an easier fight
Very good mages are threatening, the rest are weaksauce.
Paladins are just a battle of (mana) attrition
Hunter v Hunter battles come down to who is the best geared mainly
Druids are pretty easy because most druids are poorly played.
Shaman are hard, but then I am a horde hunter so I only have to fight them if I choose.
Rogues are mostly a walk in the park. Ask Stabbers, he is scared to duel Saia now. Well played rogues are a pretty even match though.
Fury warriors destroy Saia because they are hard as shit to kite and hurt when they are close. Protection warriors are easy meat unless they are uber geared.

[Nieninque]

You're cheating w/ the pvp trinket!

A friend of mine says "If you arent cheating, you arent trying hard enough."

[Parkbandit]

Rogues are mostly a walk in the park. Ask Stabbers, he is scared to duel Saia now. Well played rogues are a pretty even match though.


ALL of my toons are completely 100% undefeated against you. You know it and I know it. Cry more imo.

And dueling is to pvp as a roleplaying is to what they consistantly do on a RP server.

[Parkbandit]

A friend of mine says "If you arent cheating, you arent trying hard enough."

I agree. Who doesn't have a pvp trinket?

[DeV]

I think it's more about the player and not the class. It's also about who gets the first hit in and who has the best gear.
Game, set, and match. This is everything it comes down to really. Getting in the first hit is not even the most important part, for a hunter at least.

What it really boils down to is the ability to play your class well and use the abilities at your disposal smartly and gear. Fury warriors are no joke, but my hunter has nil problems fighting any like level class because of the two points stressed above.

feign/trap is teh shit.

[Tsa`ah]

Hunter that fears beast and then viper stings = le dumbass.
Unless the beast is travelform or aquatic form


Hahah ... ok, whatever you say.

HWL has never meant you know how to PvP, think about it a while and try again.

[AnticorRifling]

Fear beast spam, aimed/multi/viper, feign/ice ... aimed/multi/viper. Repeat as necessary.

Cry like a noob after because you can't skin feral druids.

Can you feign if you've got a DoT on you?

Regardless I love people that have the perfect chain of events for winning a fight. Most people panic when ganked which is why their "uber plan of (insert class) ownification" breaks down. Against a hunter I just use bear form and feral charge with nature's grasp and OoC up. Bash and regrowth + rejuv is generally all I need. Ohz no the hunter is going to melee me.

And yeah Saia is right why would you viper sting a druid in any form but travel/aqua? You know that when we are in cat/bear we don't feel the effects of mana burn/drain/etc. That's why you always saw me go bear form during Baron fights when the mages were taking their sweet ass time to span decursive.

Easiest way to kill a druid, stun then when they shift to heal. Fear beast is great and all but I've still got 8k armor and 6k hp while running away. Now scatter or conc or whatever the fuck it is that makes me walk around like an idiot when I'm in caster (2k and change ac and almost 4k hp) and you're shots are going to hurt a ton more.


Hands down my easiest fight is a mage though. Blink and I feral charge, frost nova and I shift, you just can't get away to do damage. Warriors aren't bad either, treat them like paladins and just outlast them. Although Mortal Strike is a son of a bitch. Hunters depends on the gear, rogues depends on the gear, priests are just a little tougher than mages, other druids....well most are retarded but it's still one long ass fight.

Warlocks can eat my shapeshifting butthole.

[Parkbandit]

Can you feign if you've got a DoT on you?

Regardless I love people that have the perfect chain of events for winning a fight. Most people panic when ganked which is why their "uber plan of (insert class) ownification" breaks down. Against a hunter I just use bear form and feral charge with nature's grasp and OoC up. Bash and regrowth + rejuv is generally all I need. Ohz no the hunter is going to melee me.

And yeah Saia is right why would you viper sting a druid in any form but travel/aqua? You know that when we are in cat/bear we don't feel the effects of mana burn/drain/etc. That's why you always saw me go bear form during Baron fights when the mages were taking their sweet ass time to span decursive.

Easiest way to kill a druid, stun then when they shift to heal. Fear beast is great and all but I've still got 8k armor and 6k hp while running away. Now scatter or conc or whatever the fuck it is that makes me walk around like an idiot when I'm in caster (2k and change ac and almost 4k hp) and you're shots are going to hurt a ton more.


Hands down my easiest fight is a mage though. Blink and I feral charge, frost nova and I shift, you just can't get away to do damage. Warriors aren't bad either, treat them like paladins and just outlast them. Although Mortal Strike is a son of a bitch. Hunters depends on the gear, rogues depends on the gear, priests are just a little tougher than mages, other druids....well most are retarded but it's still one long ass fight.

Warlocks can eat my shapeshifting butthole.

Anticor is 0-3 against the empire.

[Tsa`ah]

Can you feign if you've got a DoT on you?

You can feign at any time with the exceptions of fear and confusion. You can't lay a trap if you have a damage causing dot on you.


Regardless I love people that have the perfect chain of events for winning a fight. Most people panic when ganked which is why their "uber plan of (insert class) ownification" breaks down. Against a hunter I just use bear form and feral charge with nature's grasp and OoC up. Bash and regrowth + rejuv is generally all I need. Ohz no the hunter is going to melee me.

Never stick to a set chain of events for a strat ... I agree


And yeah Saia is right why would you viper sting a druid in any form but travel/aqua? You know that when we are in cat/bear we don't feel the effects of mana burn/drain/etc. That's why you always saw me go bear form during Baron fights when the mages were taking their sweet ass time to span decursive.

Which is great in PvE, but what exactly are you going to do when you get clipped or concussived? I believe you're going to shift? Ah yes ... shifting. I believe druids are vulnerable to the mana drain then yes?

I'll take wing clip for 1000 Alex.

Druids often do this in order to get out of wing clips and other immobilizing auras.

What is shape shift?


Easiest way to kill a druid, stun then when they shift to heal.

I prefer scatter shot since I'm going to have a viper sting up, and since the druid has been shifting in and out of animal forms to get out of my wing clips.


Fear beast is great and all but I've still got 8k armor and 6k hp while running away. Now scatter or conc or whatever the fuck it is that makes me walk around like an idiot when I'm in caster (2k and change ac and almost 4k hp) and you're shots are going to hurt a ton more.

Hense wing clips to force that shift, and of course viper to facilitate the burn.

I've got no problem with someone explaining their strategies ... just understand that someone thinking a strat is Dartarded does not make it so. I've killed some of the best geared alliance druids and I'm sure in the end they wondered where the fuck their mana went.

Laugh at the viper sting all you want and think bear form is saving you, but it's only going to save you if you never shift ... and if you never shift, you're eating fears and ice the whole time while I plink away 300 damage a shot at you.

Though a druid that utilizes bear form to the fullest is the toughest fight ... it's funny when they opt for more damage in the cat forms.


Warlocks can eat my shapeshifting butthole.

You know what they say about hunters being over powered? What does it tell you when 9 out of 10 hunters won't bother a like geared lock or shadow specced priest? There's not much of a difference outside of the pet.

[Tsa`ah]

In other news ... pvp sets get an upgrade the next patch.

The hunter set will a step between the tier 1 and tier 2 sets ... which means I'll probably start doing BGs full time since some of us are off of a raiding schedule.

[Skeeter]

the warlord set is as good as the new Tier 3 sets

[AnticorRifling]

Wingclip makes me lol. If you get out of melee range to shoot me I just use feral charge which ignores the clip. Hunters aren't my easiest fight but they aren't tough. Between trinkets (which I can use in forms SWEET SWEET SWEET) and frenzied regen I don't often have to switch out of bear form during a hunter fight.

[Keller]

Stabbers -- expose armor is your friend when fighting paladins. Pallies rely on survivability, so taking away 1/3d of their armor is uber. I eat all Dunemaul pallies 1v1, even with my shitty gear. Open CS, SS, gouge, SS, 5pt expose armor. Then just spam SS, gouge, kick, eviscerate as needed. Unless they use their reckoning bomb on you -- it's gg.

Personally I love to fight -- other rogues, druids, pallies, and over-geared warriors with ashkandi's (riposte FTW). I can stunlock warlocks who don't use deathcoil. I can't do shit to hunters. I can't beat priests who know how to use their inner fire. Ehh, that's about it.

[Sean of the Thread]

Seriously hunters suck a druids bear balls. WoW is all about rock paper scissors...hunters just happen to be druids bitches.

[Alfster]

Seriously hunters suck a druids bear balls. WoW is all about rock paper scissors...hunters just happen to be druids bitches.

Mages, rofl.

Hunters might actually take my health down a bit, a mage is fuxxored

[Tea & Strumpets]

Seriously hunters suck a druids bear balls. WoW is all about rock paper scissors...hunters just happen to be druids bitches.

And are you guys dueling at 60, or just talking about dueling you've done while leveling up, when no one has all of their talents? I rarely see a druid win a duel against anyone.

[Nieninque]

You are watching the wrong druids.
Go watch Jore or Jiga or Wyentu fight
Burl is pretty hard core too.

[Tea & Strumpets]

You are watching the wrong druids.
Go watch Jore or Jiga or Wyentu fight
Burl is pretty hard core too.

Your naming 3 of the best equipped druids on the server, so I don't doubt that they'll win more than the average druid. I doubt they are beating their guildmates of other classes in duels, though.

[AnticorRifling]

Your naming 3 of the best equipped druids on the server, so I don't doubt that they'll win more than the average druid. I doubt they are beating their guildmates of other classes in duels, though.


Grumbles is a mean flag runner as well when he's in PvP mode. Me I'm just meh but I beat most mages, warriors, priests. Pallys and other druids take too long. Hunters I'm generally ok against. Warlocks I don't beat, ever. Shaman depends on spec but it's always a close fight. Rogues? No idea only one I dueled was stabbed when he had 10 lvls on me and stabbed when he was purpled out.

[Tsa`ah]

the warlord set is as good as the new Tier 3 sets

I'm sure for some classes that's true, but not the hunter set.

Stat wise (including the full set agi and stam bonus) it's between the tiers 1 and 2.

[StrayRogue]

The new rogue set is hardly an improvement either, though does have better set bonuses.

[Nieninque]

I'm sure for some classes that's true, but not the hunter set.

Stat wise (including the full set agi and stam bonus) it's between the tiers 1 and 2.


Rofl

From the hunters boards:

some comparisons:
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(excluding bracers+belt for 8 piece sets and including Veklor's gloves for striker's set.)

(including set bonuses for rank 12-13 gear)


============
Overall Agility
=============

cryptstalker:205
Rank 12/13: 195
striker's: 183
dragonstalker:165
gianstalker: 151



============
Overall Stamina
=============

Rank 12/13: 164
cryptstalker:149
striker's: 135
dragonstalker:106
gianstalker: 101

==============
Overall + crit
=============

cryptstalker:6
Rank 12/13: 4
striker's: 4
dragonstalker:4
gianstalker: 3

==============
Overall + hit
=============

cryptstalker:3
gianstalker: 3
Rank 12/13: 2
dragonstalker:2
striker's: 0

Now that's seems to me to be between tier two and three in quality.

[Nieninque]

Hahah ... ok, whatever you say.

HWL has never meant you know how to PvP, think about it a while and try again.

OK, I thought about it and casting viper sting on a bear form druid is as effective as casting it on a warrior (if you could).

If you are hoping that the second it takes for a druid to shapeshift out of bearform and back again is going to drain their mana, then you are seriously fucked in the head. If they stay in caster form, sure, thats a viable tactic, but casting mana drain on a druid that doesnt have a mana bar is pointless.

What I prefer to do, is minimise the damage they can do in bear form and increase the damage they take. So unless they are taking extended periods out of forms, scorpid sting or even serpent sting > viper sting.

And it's so easy for people who have never come close to HWL to diminish the achievements and abilities of those who have.
GGCRYMORENUBKTHXBAI

[Tsa`ah]

Rofl

From the hunters boards:


Now that's seems to me to be between tier two and three in quality.

That of course is your opinion.

Yes I understand that the PvP set is a 6 piece, Yes I understand that the comparison lacked the belt and bracers.

Set comparisons as a whole would place the PvP set between theirs 1 and 2 in almost every respect.

If you want to add some random epic wrists and a belt to put the set over the top, that's fine, but set vs set in stats ... it's between 1 and 2.

And from there you continue to further degrade into full on cunt mode ... classy.

I will say this ... it is infinitely easier to ignore your guild when it needs you and spend all of your available free time hanging out in a BG. Only showing interest in raiding with your guild when you want something.

In comparison, to say grinding from 0-60 ... yes HWL is hard.
In comparison to 10 man raids for dungeon sets ... yes HWL is hard.
In comparison to rep farming, solo mat farming, or let's just say it's about the same time investment depending on the goal.

It's a grind and nothing more. You would get more accolades if you entered every game as part of a pug and did the same. Don't delude yourself into thinking others are diminishing it so much as you are hyping it up.

I would say my PvP experience is about half in the BGs and half outside. Inside a BG you have 9-14 other people to lend a hand and 1 on 1 pvp doesn't take up a majority of combat situation ... so I can see how you easily dismiss the tactics of someone who has never been beaten in world pvp by a lone druid.

[Nieninque]

That of course is your opinion.

Yes I understand that the PvP set is a 6 piece, Yes I understand that the comparison lacked the belt and bracers.

Set comparisons as a whole would place the PvP set between theirs 1 and 2 in almost every respect.

If you want to add some random epic wrists and a belt to put the set over the top, that's fine, but set vs set in stats ... it's between 1 and 2.

Wrong. Again.
My random belt and bracers are tier 2, so I win. Any gain in stats that tier 2 gets, I get too with my rank 13 stuff. Hunters I respect have compared the gear in quality to strikers. That would be a large part of where I get my info from. The only thing that the Warlord set is missing that DS gets is the final set bonus. I can live with that with better stats :P


And from there you continue to further degrade into full on cunt mode ... classy.

You moan about me being acidic when you start this little spin-off discussion with "
HWL has never meant you know how to PvP, think about it a while and try again." Who are you again, Lycain?


I will say this ... it is infinitely easier to ignore your guild when it needs you and spend all of your available free time hanging out in a BG. Only showing interest in raiding with your guild when you want something.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Too Funny.
This from the person who would never sign up to raids, turn up late for raids and then bitch about not getting an invite quick enough on the grounds that he was an officer.

I never liked raiding that much. Apart from the very early MC runs which were at 9am server, the majority of runs were just too late for me.
I got bored of healing in raids very early, but continued to bring Sade to heal because thats what the guild needed. During my absence from raiding, the guild did BWL all the way up to Nef, with the only first time kill I was present for being Vael. I dont think they missed me that much ;) Nice of you to think so highly of me though.


In comparison, to say grinding from 0-60 ... yes HWL is hard.
In comparison to 10 man raids for dungeon sets ... yes HWL is hard.
In comparison to rep farming, solo mat farming, or let's just say it's about the same time investment depending on the goal.

Technically you are correct. I have no interest in farming rep for anywhere now, as I have done the equivalent for PvP.
The time investment is similar, with one fucking huge difference.
If you are farming AD rep or whatever, you can do it when you like. You can do a little bit here or there and choose when to grind. Shit, for someo fo them, you just need to raid, you get the rep clearing MC or AQ or whatever. No extra effort involved. HOWEVER, if you are grinding rep for PVP you have no choice from when to grind. You have to do it all day every day. Or you de-rank. It's a fucking drain...and I did it when it was made a damn sight easier. I pity those that did it before the pvp nerf.

So is it similar time-wise to grinding rep? Sure. Is it the same as grinding rep? No way. Not even close.

[StrayRogue]

Thankfully they are changing the pvp rank system to be less time intensive.

[Nieninque]

How so?

[StrayRogue]

Basically you won't have to gain 500k honour a week to have a chance of being in 0.01% of the server population to be granted rank 14. The specifics haven't been laid out yet, but they've said that the very idea of being able to gain epics beyond raiding and through pvping has been screwed up by the immense amount of time it takes to actually accomplish anything.

Personally I think the most logical change would be to vastly reduce the honour loss, and make more people able to achieve rank 14 per week than usual. Or they could make it similar to rep grinding so that the casual gamer can dip into pvping to hopefully one day gain the items.

Rank 14 won't mean shit come Summer anyway.

[StrayRogue]

Jeff Caplan's words:

Q. What can you say about new Player vs. Player content?
A. We don’t have a lot of details to talk about right now, but the really important thing is that there are major PvP changes coming. We recognize that there are major problems with the honor system currently. In particular we’re not content with it being so time-focused.

[CrystalTears]

Yes you basically had to have little to no life to get a high rank in PvP.

[Nieninque]

Yes you basically had to have little to no life to get a high rank in PvP.

ROFL

Could you be any more bitchy?
"Someone did something I cant do, therefore they must have no life."

[CrystalTears]

If you can spend that many hours in a week playing just to get a PvP rank, then obviously you have less to worry about in life than I do.

I'm not competitive. I really don't give a rat's ass about PvP rank. I obviously don't give a flying fuck about level either since I don't have a character who is level 60, let alone three. I play to have fun, nothing more. The truth of the matter is the getting a PvP rank that high was no longer a casual gaming thing, it was a spend a fucking ungodly amount of hours playing, which I don't have.

Other people admit that when they spend a lot of time in the game to achieve anything like that is because they've given up basically socializing in life to do it. Get off your fucking high horse. I'm sorry that you're so sensitive.

[Axhinde]

Spending 14 hours a day grinding honor doesn't mean these people have no life. It just means they don't have much of one outside of WoW. Some people are willing to make that sacrifice, some aren't.

[CrystalTears]

Well I figured I was speaking of a life outside of a game.

And I really don't have a problem with that, honestly. She's the one that had a coronary with my statement and took it personally.

If people have time to devote to a game they enjoy, more power to them. I have a problem with people who play a lot and then talk down to people who don't have that kind of time, claim it as jealousy, and play it off as "devotion to my hobby". C'mon now, playing a game more than someone else doesn't make you better, just someone with different goals.

[Axhinde]

Well I figured I was speaking of a life outside of a game.

And I really don't have a problem with that, honestly. She's the one that had a coronary with my statement and took it personally.

If people have time to devote to a game they enjoy, more power to them. I have a problem with people who play a lot and then talk down to people who don't have that kind of time, claim it as jealousy, and play it off as "devotion to my hobby". C'mon now, playing a game more than someone else doesn't make you better, just someone with different goals.

That's just noob talk.

[CrystalTears]

:moon2: <-- kiss it

[Nieninque]

C'mon now, playing a game more than someone else doesn't make you better, just someone with different goals.

And yet you prefer to reframe that in terms of being a better person because you play a game less.

[CrystalTears]

If that's how it came across, then I apologize cause that's not what I'm saying.

The game was intended (supposedly) to be for the casual gamer. I find it rather ironic that you have to spend hours upon hours a day to accomplish certain things in this game. Thus you have to sacrifice your life outside the game to do it. That's no longer a casual gamer.

Are you saying this is untrue? Are you saying that you spent more time outside of the game than in to accomplish HWL? That you fit in an hour or two every other day or so and managed to do it?

I never said I was better than you. You are the one who came at me saying that I'm basically jealous cause you get to play more than I do. Who is being more superior in this case?

This is already gone way off topic anyway. Hunters who know how to play their profession are bad ass.

[Nieninque]

I dont think I said jealous, but I guess after Kagg's post yours came along in a similarly disparaging light.

The honour system was never intended for the casual gamer at the higher levels. They said that from the off. Before they nerfed the honour system, it was even worse. Ask Alorg. He gave up at 11 I think. If he had done the grind with the newer system, he probably would have hit HWL.

You can reach rank 11 I would say as a fairly casual gamer...after that you do have to put the time in.

I was aware that in the last few weeks I was playing an unhealthy amount of time. However, I was still doing stuff like work college getting drunk etc...the time difference meant I could do that, I think the thing that was sacrificed for me was sleep :(. No it wasnt something I could have done playing casual hours, but I wanted to spend the time doing it.

I have to say though, I am buggered if I will be doing any other kind of grinds in that game.

Too much like hard work.

[Tsa`ah]

Wrong. Again.
My random belt and bracers are tier 2, so I win. Any gain in stats that tier 2 gets, I get too with my rank 13 stuff. Hunters I respect have compared the gear in quality to strikers. That would be a large part of where I get my info from. The only thing that the Warlord set is missing that DS gets is the final set bonus. I can live with that with better stats :P

And we come full circle to the foundation of reading ... comprehension.

SET vs set the pvp set sits right between tiers 1 and 2. As I've said, I understand the PvP set is a 6 piece and one can add any random bracer or belt to put the pvp set over the top ... but STAT wise, it sits between 1 and 2.

Please comprehend before you type more drivel.


You moan about me being acidic when you start this little spin-off discussion with "
HWL has never meant you know how to PvP, think about it a while and try again." Who are you again, Lycain?

Excuse me, this coming from a career forum troll? I could care less if you're "acidic" ... we call it being a bitch or an ass ... take your pick. I didn't hop on my defensive leg with the acid, that was you. If you don't like being called on it, well, shut the fuck up.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Too Funny.
This from the person who would never sign up to raids, turn up late for raids and then bitch about not getting an invite quick enough on the grounds that he was an officer.

I'm not entirely sure where you get your information from, but I have a far better raid attendance than you ever did. I signed up for raids and would announce when I couldn't make it. I also made myself available for raids I didn't sign up for when real life events made a raid that night possible. And to my knowledge ... I can't remember complaining about not getting into a raid where I should have by being a guild officer ... I'd check your facts and sources before you get into further troll mode.


I never liked raiding that much. Apart from the very early MC runs which were at 9am server, the majority of runs were just too late for me.
I got bored of healing in raids very early, but continued to bring Sade to heal because thats what the guild needed.

Umm .... most of your toons were a rarity in any guild raid. Yet for someone who doesn't like to raid, you sure do raid the hell out of instances with BBC.


During my absence from raiding, the guild did BWL all the way up to Nef, with the only first time kill I was present for being Vael. I dont think they missed me that much ;) Nice of you to think so highly of me though.

The guild did in fact make huge strides without you ... even the nights where we needed another kiter or druid and you wouldn't leave the BGs. Never thought that highly of you anyway ... not very productive.


Technically you are correct. I have no interest in farming rep for anywhere now, as I have done the equivalent for PvP.
The time investment is similar, with one fucking huge difference.
If you are farming AD rep or whatever, you can do it when you like. You can do a little bit here or there and choose when to grind. Shit, for someo fo them, you just need to raid, you get the rep clearing MC or AQ or whatever. No extra effort involved. HOWEVER, if you are grinding rep for PVP you have no choice from when to grind. You have to do it all day every day. Or you de-rank. It's a fucking drain...and I did it when it was made a damn sight easier. I pity those that did it before the pvp nerf.

So is it similar time-wise to grinding rep? Sure. Is it the same as grinding rep? No way. Not even close.

No matter how you look at it, it's a time investment, not a skill investment. If you wish to look at it any other way ... you're delusional.

[Axhinde]

Excuse me, this coming from a career forum troll? I could care less if you're "acidic" ... we call it being a bitch or an ass ... take your pick. I didn't hop on my defensive leg with the acid, that was you. If you don't like being called on it, well, shut the fuck up.

For me, this comment was golden. 10/10

[Nieninque]

And we come full circle to the foundation of reading ... comprehension.

SET vs set the pvp set sits right between tiers 1 and 2. As I've said, I understand the PvP set is a 6 piece and one can add any random bracer or belt to put the pvp set over the top ... but STAT wise, it sits between 1 and 2.

You're the only person who keeps saying this.
Stat-wise, the PvP set = strikers.
Unless youre Kagg.

I'm not entirely sure where you get your information from, but I have a far better raid attendance than you ever did. I signed up for raids and would announce when I couldn't make it. I also made myself available for raids I didn't sign up for when real life events made a raid that night possible. And to my knowledge ... I can't remember complaining about not getting into a raid where I should have by being a guild officer ... I'd check your facts and sources before you get into further troll mode.

Yeah you're right. I shouldnt go repeating the things the raid leaders said when you demanded a place in the raid after having not signed up. /shrug

And as for Raid attendance. In the early MC raids, my attendance was way better than yours. There was also the complete absence of my taking any tranq shots from Lucifron and then logging, meaning that the raid was short a tranq for Magmadar. Unlike yourself. ;)


Umm .... most of your toons were a rarity in any guild raid. Yet for someone who doesn't like to raid, you sure do raid the hell out of instances with BBC.

Not sure what to say about this.
Firstly, it's kinda sweet that you are checking up on my raid attendance with BbC ("must....not....let....her....win..."), but I would say that my raid attendance there is pretty similar to when I was raiding with HoR any interest.
It may be a little higher, but I guess I would put that down to the absence of people like yourself in BbC meaning that the raids went seamlessly and without whinging in the main.


The guild did in fact make huge strides without you ... even the nights where we needed another kiter or druid and you wouldn't leave the BGs. Never thought that highly of you anyway ... not very productive.

I was asked a grand total of once, I think, to leave BGs and help the raid when it was really screwed, and on that occasion I took Sade. I was never asked to take Saia to BWL with HoR and as a result she never went. Not sure where you are getting this info from.


No matter how you look at it, it's a time investment, not a skill investment. If you wish to look at it any other way ... you're delusional.

I didnt say that you could only reach HWL through skill. You only have to look at the likes of Soutalgon or Truecarnage to see that the honour grind is a war of attrition. It is possible for an untalented person to hit rank 14 as the aforementioned duo have shown.

If someone has some skill though, it makes it a damn sight easier.
Easier to get honour, easier to get into/begin groups.

I dont think I am any more than an average hunter. I do, however, speak often with the better than average hunters and solicit their views, which have far greater bearing on my opinions that those of your good self.

You saying something over and over doesnt make it true. And you condemning anyone who has achieved something off their own back, rather than leeching their way to a few epics, is laughable.

[StrayRogue]

Tsa, unless you're living in a none eastern time zone you need to shut the fuck up about raid attendance. It's hardly easy for none USers to do 5 hour raids when they themselves start close to midnight, ESPECIALLY if that person has a career/family/school.

[Sean of the Thread]

New epic feral druid chest o' pwnnn.


http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/Japgross/Newdruidepicdrop1-2.jpg

[AnticorRifling]

Holy shit that's hot. I can't decide what instance I'm going to grind for a feral chest....Nothing really great before the leather chest that drops off of Nef.

[Nieninque]

There is a good feral chest that drops off Ebonroc or one of the drakes in BWL.
Cant remember what it is called but it always drops for us

[Skirmisher]

Obviously whichever character I am playing would win.

Yeesh...next subject.

[DeV]

Obviously whichever character I am playing would win.

Yeesh...next subject.No comment. :)

[Tsa`ah]

You're the only person who keeps saying this.
Stat-wise, the PvP set = strikers.
Unless youre Kagg.

Ok ... you're comparing sets designed for 2 completely different things and failing to comprehend anything presented to you ... cudos for your extended education. I hope you're not paying for it.


Yeah you're right. I shouldnt go repeating the things the raid leaders said when you demanded a place in the raid after having not signed up. /shrug

There exists only 1 time I demanded a spot in a raid, and that was after I was removed from a late starting raid after stating I would be afk for 10 minutes. I came back in 8 and was no longer in the raid ... so much for that theory eh?


And as for Raid attendance. In the early MC raids, my attendance was way better than yours. There was also the complete absence of my taking any tranq shots from Lucifron and then logging, meaning that the raid was short a tranq for Magmadar. Unlike yourself. ;)

Ever watch the 80's GI Joe cartoons? If you did, well considering who I'm responding to it's not likely, you may remember the little catch phrase at the end of the show ... knowing is half the battle.

Your early raid attendance wasn't much better than mine ... and I was doing some very heavy traveling at the time. As far as the tranq shot incident ... wow your memory must suck. Let's see, 20 minute waits between trash mobs, we get to Luci and have an hour wait after the first wipe in order for some locks to get soul shards. We take down Luci and what happens? Another multi hour break. Considering we were several hours into MC and only 1 boss down, and I literally came home from a road trip and logged onto an MC raid ... you can probably go fuck off. I didn't log off, I fell asleep at the fucking keyboard.


Not sure what to say about this.
Firstly, it's kinda sweet that you are checking up on my raid attendance with BbC ("must....not....let....her....win..."), but I would say that my raid attendance there is pretty similar to when I was raiding with HoR any interest.

Don't flatter yourself, my lists haven't changed since the days of TBF. My first action when logging on is to check my list and see if I'm needed. However, your BBC attendance out distances your HoR attendances by a huge measure. I can see why ... it's easier to ride tail coats than it is to actually do something on your own merit.


It may be a little higher, but I guess I would put that down to the absence of people like yourself in BbC meaning that the raids went seamlessly and without whinging in the main.

Personally, I didn't care about getting into BBC rather than sticking with the people I started playing the game with. I can see why you would rather raid with BBC ... no one calls you on your bullshit and you really don't have to put forth that much effort.


I was asked a grand total of once, I think, to leave BGs and help the raid when it was really screwed, and on that occasion I took Sade. I was never asked to take Saia to BWL with HoR and as a result she never went. Not sure where you are getting this info from.

Ish, now you don't make sense. We were short on druids nearly every raid in the later stages, this was common knowledge ... you chose to BG and ignore the guild well before then.



I dont think I am any more than an average hunter. I do, however, speak often with the better than average hunters and solicit their views, which have far greater bearing on my opinions that those of your good self.

Fair enough considering the number of 60s you have and they're barely mediocre less the equipment.


You saying something over and over doesnt make it true. And you condemning anyone who has achieved something off their own back, rather than leeching their way to a few epics, is laughable.

The only thing you have achieved off of your own back (time), and that of the groups your ground with, would be the PvP set. The fact is, when it came down to it ... you weren't there. You ran for higher ground when the possibility of ease was removed from your horizon.


Tsa, unless you're living in a none eastern time zone you need to shut the fuck up about raid attendance. It's hardly easy for none USers to do 5 hour raids when they themselves start close to midnight, ESPECIALLY if that person has a career/family/school.

Stay ... unless you are or were ever a member of TBF or the Hounds ... it would probably be best to shut the fuck up.

She's been on plenty of BBC raids that started later than any Hound raid ... perhaps if you would bother to read you may have understood that.

Then again ....

[Nieninque]

Ok ... you're comparing sets designed for 2 completely different things and failing to comprehend anything presented to you

That;s because you are not presenting anything other than saying "NO U R RONG".

I will repost the comparisons in the important hunter stats from those sets, so you can look at them again.


============
Overall Agility
=============

cryptstalker:205
Rank 12/13: 195
striker's: 183
dragonstalker:165
gianstalker: 151



============
Overall Stamina
=============

Rank 12/13: 164
cryptstalker:149
striker's: 135
dragonstalker:106
gianstalker: 101

==============
Overall + crit
=============

cryptstalker:6
Rank 12/13: 4
striker's: 4
dragonstalker:4
gianstalker: 3

==============
Overall + hit
=============

cryptstalker:3
gianstalker: 3
Rank 12/13: 2
dragonstalker:2
striker's: 0

OK, so looking at these, Rank 13 gear has more agility than all sets bar tier 3. More Stamina than all sets. The same +crit as tier 2 and strikers, 2 less than tier 3. The same +hit as tier two, and one less than tier 3 and tier 1.

Now assuming, I also use DS bracers and belt, which I do, my rank 13 gear owns your tier 1 and 2 gear.

[Tsa`ah]

That;s because you are not presenting anything other than saying "NO U R RONG".

I will repost the comparisons in the important hunter stats from those sets, so you can look at them again.

(a bunch of unchecked shit that makes you look stupid)

OK, so looking at these, Rank 13 gear has more agility than all sets bar tier 3. More Stamina than all sets. The same +crit as tier 2 and strikers, 2 less than tier 3. The same +hit as tier two, and one less than tier 3 and tier 1.

Now assuming, I also use DS bracers and belt, which I do, my rank 13 gear owns your tier 1 and 2 gear.


Use a calculator and check your references.

As an example, I'll post the stats from the WoW armor set page and include the SG set.

GS PvP DS SG CS
189 195 208 161 285 agi
128 164 134 114 188 sta
52 59 96 64 82 int
40 0 57 38 0 spir
2427 2485 2773 2141 3186 arm
4 4 5 3 7 % crit
3 2 2 0 5 % hit
0 0 0 42 0 magic effect



Please note that "Rank 13 gear has more agility than all sets bar tier 3" is just plain wrong. It has 6 more agi than the GS set and 9 less than the DS set.

It has the same crit % as the GS set ...that's it.

More stam than all sets but the CS set.

2 more on % to hit than the SG, same as the DS, 1 less than GS, 3 less than the CS.

Do you want me to go on? I could but about the only thing you got right was the bit about stam .... sort of.

The added bracers and belt would indeed put the total stats of the epic pvp set over the top. That's sort of like saying "I could beat you if I had N20" ... it is still lame in this debate however.

[HarmNone]

Can we get back to topic, please?

[HarmNone]

I've removed some off-topic posts, and edited off-topic garbage out of others. If you want to fight amongst yourselves, please do it elsewhere.

[Nieninque]

Use a calculator and check your references.

As an example, I'll post the stats from the WoW armor set page and include the SG set.

GS PvP DS SG CS
189 195 208 161 285 agi
128 164 134 114 188 sta
52 59 96 64 82 int
40 0 57 38 0 spir
2427 2485 2773 2141 3186 arm
4 4 5 3 7 % crit
3 2 2 0 5 % hit
0 0 0 42 0 magic effect



Please note that "Rank 13 gear has more agility than all sets bar tier 3" is not just plain wrong. It has 6 more agi than the GS set and 9 less than the DS set.

It has the same crit % as the GS set ...that's it.

Mot stam than all sets but the CS set.

2 more on % to hit than the SG, same as the DS, 1 less than GS, 3 less than the CS.

Do you want me to go on? I could but about the only thing you got right was the bit about stam .... sort of.

The added bracers and belt would indeed put the total stats of the epic pvp set over the top. That's sort of like saying "I could beat you if I had N20" ... it is still lame in this debate however.

How is it lame I have the epic PvP set AND the DS bracers and belt.
HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT FOR YOU TO GET INTO YOUR HEAD?
My gear > yours.

The end.

[Tsa`ah]

How is it lame I have the epic PvP set AND the DS bracers and belt.
HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT FOR YOU TO GET INTO YOUR HEAD?
My gear > yours.

The end.

I got that ... please read, re-read, and then read again until you understand (that should shut you up for a good week considering).

The information you posted and claims you made were completely inaccurate.

As far as gear is concerned ... well at least you have an e-peen to stroke eh?

[Nieninque]

How is the information I posted wrong, dumbass?
Dont just say it is wrong. Explain it.
I really dont understand your fucked up reasoning.

6 pieces of all sets puts rank 13 gear above DS and on a par with strikers. If you add the two other pieces of DS to the 6 we are comparing, then yes, the stats of that 8 piece are better than the PvP 6 piece...oh shit...but you can the bracers and belt from DS to the PvP set and pwn the DS.

Which is what I said in the beginning.

[Tsa`ah]

How is the information I posted wrong, dumbass?
Dont just say it is wrong. Explain it.
I really dont understand your fucked up reasoning.

6 pieces of all sets puts rank 13 gear above DS and on a par with strikers. If you add the two other pieces of DS to the 6 we are comparing, then yes, the stats of that 8 piece are better than the PvP 6 piece...oh shit...but you can the bracers and belt from DS to the PvP set and pwn the DS.

Which is what I said in the beginning.

Debating with you is about like debating with a petrified piece of dogshit, and that's insulting petrified dogshit everywhere.

What did I say about reading until you understood?

DOH! I forgot about the dogshit part already, forgive me.

You want to remove and add pieces to "equal them out" so to speak. It doesn't work like that. I'm talking about a set, not specific pieces from a set

When you remove pieces from a set, it is no longer a set.

Now, let me put this in another analogy you just may possibly get.

There are 3 tea sets in a shop. All 3 sets have the platter and service, 2 of the sets have 5 cups and saucer and 1 has 4. One of the 5 cup sets will hold a total of 50 ounces, the other will hold 75 ounces. Both will serve 5 at a time. The 4 piece set will hold a total of 52 ounces and will only serve 4 at a time.

Dumb bitch walks into the shop and looks over a customer's should who is considering the smaller of the 5 piece sets and says "The 4 piece has a greater volume than either 5 piece".

Customer says "You're math is retarded".

Dumb bitch says "OMGURDUMBEPEENBIGSTROKEOMGOMG, if you take away 1 cup from either 5 piece set, the 4 piece holds more".

Customer replies "If you stop eating paint chips and drinking bleach some of your retardation may go away, but for now you just go away".

Dumb bitch retorts "I can add any cup I want to the 4 piece and make it better than either 5 piece you're looking at, and the best part is that I don't have to buy it ... I just hang out with some people I just met until they get it for me ... does my e-peen look bigger to you?"

Customer performs a civil service to all British tax payers and lobotomizes the stupid bitch.

Or, we can go back to the engine analogy. You don't remove 2 pistons when comparing a v-8 to a v-6, and like wise you don't add 2 pistons to a straight 4 when comparing it to a slant 6.

It's called grasping for straw.

[Nieninque]

OK Kaggers, you win.
You know all.
You are never wrong.

[HarmNone]

Remain on topic and try to be, at least, civil.

[Sean of the Thread]

My mage will pwn all in PVP hands down. Horde run shrieking in fear of infection however before most battles go down.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/Japgross/pvppwn.jpg

[Alfster]

Harmnone is the ugliest gnome ever