Morons in the park

[SayGoodbye]

STOP FUCKING CASTING SANCTUARY.

Close your fucking containers, visit the fucking bank and stop being little bitches.

Jesus.

[Bobmuhthol]

Even though I'm not a rogue anymore, and don't really go to the park at all...

I agree.

[Stanley Burrell]

Can't you steal in a sanctuary from hiding now?

I remember the Wehnimer's park being sancted and my not being able steal from the open, but when I hid and snuck in, I could still lift stuff? :puzzled:

[Czeska]

Only place I sanct is in desgnated healing areas, and only if my empath's the only one there.. and is actually working. Not going to walk to the bank every 30 seconds and let people bleed out because some thief has a bug up their ass.

[Amber]

I've never sancted in the park, but personally, I like it when it is since folks can't fight.

[Fallen]

Heh. I sanct whenever I am forced to have silver on me in a crowd.

Don't worry, it will fall once I leave.

[Goldenranger]

Heh. I sanct whenever I am forced to have silver on me in a crowd.

Don't worry, it will fall once I leave.

Definitely understandable, at raffles and Gardenia Commons gotcha.

However, in the Park lately there has been an empath that parks her ass there and goes AFK except to cast a minor sanct. She doesn't script it either so one can't give her nerve damage by whispering. Incredibly frustrating.

[Latrinsorm]

Isn't a traditional defense of pickpockets that if the GMs didn't want it to be part of the game, it wouldn't be in the game?

[Alfster]

Pretty sure that's the defense of the retards who 24 hour sanct places

[Drakam]

I agree with the precautions that need to be taken. Never liked how some people throw up sancts without asking permission from other people. Though some thieves need to learn to control themselves. If you're stealing and someone is pointing you out constantly, go somewhere else to steal.

[Drew2]

If you're a Voln rogue/ranger, the problem is easily solved. Last I knew, stalking someone from hiding then fogging still took them with you.

[Sean of the Thread]

Only place I sanct is in desgnated healing areas, and only if my empath's the only one there.. and is actually working. Not going to walk to the bank every 30 seconds and let people bleed out because some thief has a bug up their ass.

I havn't the slightest clue who would pickpocket from a dear old empath such as yourself ::flutter:: truly shocking!

[Skirmisher]

I havn't the slightest clue who would pickpocket from a dear old empath such as yourself ::flutter:: truly shocking!


OMG, Czeska, read between the lines!

He really does know.

I can tell.

[Latrinsorm]

Never liked how some people throw up sancts without asking permission from other people.What kind of bass-ackwards mentality is this? Stealing from people without their (explicit) consent is ok, but preventing people from stealing without their (explicit) consent isn't?

[SayGoodbye]

What kind of bass-ackwards mentality is this? Stealing from people without their (explicit) consent is ok, but preventing people from stealing without their (explicit) consent isn't?

Preventing the 98% of NON THIEVES in the room from hiding (for wracking purposes, loss prevention what have you) is not OK.

[El Burro]

Boo Hoo

I learned this weekend you will get soaped for saying "Prick" however.

[Czeska]

Walking one room to wrack is not a big frigging deal.

[HarmNone]

Walking one room to wrack is not a big frigging deal.

Heh. No kidding! Not to mention that loss prevention isn't really necessary if the room is sancted....

[Wezas]

One thing I hated was if I asked someone to take a swing at me to check my defenses, the sanct always pwned that idea.

And the whole thieving thing, of course.

Though it was nice when I was thieving and I noticed a thief trying to thieve from me to be able to sanct as an empath.

[b0nk]

I hated when I was doing Gambit reps that require I be hidden. No one steals on teras but somone decided they needed to sanct at the statue

[Alfster]

No one steals on teras but somone decided they needed to sanct at the statue

Odd, my rogues headed that way soonish. I bet he'll find a thief or two

[Czeska]

Or die trying.

[SayGoodbye]

Walking one room to wrack is not a big frigging deal.

And protecting yourself (general) from thieves without subjecting the whole room to your (general) spell is really frigging easy.

[Czeska]

Also, some places need to be sancted in order to meditate.

[Alfster]

Or die trying.

More than likely, but that's half the fun

[ELO]

No one steals on teras

Is that right?

[Stanley Burrell]

If you're a Voln rogue/ranger, the problem is easily solved. Last I knew, stalking someone from hiding then fogging still took them with you.

You have to unhide via a non-GO-able direction first, but yeah.


Gardenia Commons

If you steal in FWI, keep silver in the FWI bank (Durr.)

It's pretty clockwork, but not doing such can lead to some very, very unfortunate and suck ass situations I would imagine.

[Snapp]

You have to unhide via a non-GO-able direction first, but yeah.
I prefer to lean on something myself. As long as you don't use the unhide verb (takes you out of their group), you're good.

[Methais]

Walking one room to wrack is not a big frigging deal.

Neither is walking 2 rooms over to the bank and depositing your coins and closing containers.

[Sean of the Thread]

Neither is walking 2 rooms over to the bank and depositing your coins and closing containers.

Double True.

[Latrinsorm]

Neither is walking 2 rooms over to the bank and depositing your coins and closing containers.And if someone had made a thread entitled "Morons in the park" with the content "STOP <expletive> STEALING IN THE PARK" that would be a very pithy remark.

[Fission]

I think it's funny when thieves that tell folks to suck it up about getting pickpocketed cry when someone sancts. Guess following their own advice is a bit much.

[SayGoodbye]

I think it's funny when thieves that tell folks to suck it up about getting pickpocketed cry when someone sancts. Guess following their own advice is a bit much.

I think it's funny when people make assumptions.

[Numbers]

This is why 213 is one of the most irritating spells in the game.

You've got people who think it sucks, and you've got people who think it's just fine, and neither are willing to listen to the other side, because both sides have valid points of view.

[Sean of the Thread]

I always thought it shines the best in the field.. rescues.. etc. Nothing pisses me off more when my fucking spirit timer is approaching and I can't find a fucking room to hide in quick enough.

I can't believe that anyone ever envisioned it by making people the "Park Police".

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

There are pros and there are cons to Minor Sanctuary, and yes, we know that those who steal hate it a lot and those who dislike being stolen from love it the most.

You're never going to get people to stop casting it in very crowded areas. Just imagine for a second a place in a country where stealing is very rampant, I'll use Mexico for this example because I know people who've been stolen from there. You're in a huge crowd at a market or something, you have to be on point and on your guard every second for the slightest odd touch. If you had the ability to cast a spell and get rid of the threat of having your shit taken, you would. That's the way some GS people see it. Maybe it pisses you off, but it's just as viable a way to stop thievery as it is for thieves to be able to steal.

My other suggestion.. is to go somewhere else for the duration of the sanctuary. Since there isn't much you can do about it.

[zhelas]

I would never depend on minor sancting the room but for some folks it works. I have seen folks killed for sancting the room or trying to sanct the room. Having played a healer I am sure that some of the silvers he recieved were from his own pockets. If I get picked clean, oh well it is my own damn fault. Being a pure I learned to adjust. Just make sure you visit the bank, keep you containers closed plain and simple. Oh except keep the one container open which full of cursed hollow gems, jaws traps and poison needles. Not to mention if you are a sorcerer, get your demon to guard your pockets.

If you wish to pick someones pocket all of the above are nuisances are part of the trade. And being a victim of a pickpocket can easily be avoided without having to use minor sanctuary.

[Alfster]

never compare gemstone to the real world, it doesn't make sense

[Fallen]

The only time I go to the dais is when I am having boxes picked. I will have coins in my pocket, along with having to lower my defenses by putting my shield away, and be opening containers. Rather than trying to have the boxes opened, but harvesting them later, I sanct while I am having the work done.

Otherwise, close all your containers, deposit your silvers, and let the thieves clean out the AFKers.

[Alfster]

sancts only bother me when they're put up by someones second account

that's also when i bring in the suicide box

[SayGoodbye]

Hypothetical situation.

Ten people in the park. One thief, one stupid empath, eight others with closed containers, no silvers, traps on them. In the matter of one minute out of those eight people you've got a warrior who wants someone to give him a swing, a rogue who wants to hide for gambits, a ranger who's RP involves staying in the shadows often, A couple of COLers who might cast guards, colors or blurs but need to hide and wrack quickly first. The other three are just minding their own business.

Now there's two ways this scenario could go. A) The empath doesn't sanct and business goes about as usual. OR B) The empath imposes their spell over the entire room full of people because they're too stupid to protect themselves otherwise.

If the spell made a little sanctuary around the empath and their group only I'd be all for it, by all means protect yourself that way.

But it doesn't it affects the whole room and it's rude.

In this case:

Thief vs empath = 1 victim (easily avoided)

Empath vs Room = 9 victims

That's pretty much all I'm gonna say on this subject. I still believe casting sanctuary is being a pussy.

[Axhinde]

My wizard was a die-hard sanct hater. As a player who enjoyed playing a grumpy wizard, it was frustrating at times, but also afforded some great opportunities to RP just how grumpy he would get in a sanct. To return the annoyance favor, he would just have his familiar follow the sancter for an hour or so.

I rather like watching all the bum fights in the park.

[zhelas]

Otherwise, close all your containers, deposit your silvers, and let the thieves clean out the AFKers.

:yeahthat:

[Latrinsorm]

I think it's funny when people make assumptions.Like people who assume the only reason to sanct the park is to stop thieving?
you've got a warrior who wants someone to give him a swing,No real warrior wants a DS check.
a rogue who wants to hide for gambits, a ranger who's RP involves staying in the shadows often, A couple of COLers who might cast guards, colors or blurs but need to hide and wrack quickly first.So go south, hide, wrack or sneak in.
Empath vs Room = 9 victimsObserve how name-calling is stupid: I believe people who think sanct victimizes them are being pussies. Pussy.

Observe how rational argument allows for gainful dialogue: You have only examined one possible motive for sancting. There are several others, two of which you've already mentioned for the sanctees and one that's been mentioned already in the thread.

[Czeska]

My wizard was a die-hard sanct hater. As a player who enjoyed playing a grumpy wizard, it was frustrating at times, but also afforded some great opportunities to RP just how grumpy he would get in a sanct. To return the annoyance favor, he would just have his familiar follow the sancter for an hour or so.

I rather like watching all the bum fights in the park.

>prep 204
cast

>laugh at silly wizard's familiar

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

never compare gemstone to the real world, it doesn't make sense

Agreed that usually it doesn't make sense..

I still stand by saying that until the thieves stop complaining about thief haters and what have you because "GMs put it there for a reason" there's also a reason that GMs made the sanct spells.

Myself, the only time I cast it is at Festivals, when people with sticky fingers begin to really annoy the hell out of me. At other areas, I tend to be more careful, but still. It's frustrating to watch some poor young empath get cleaned out by a thief because the empath is like 6 trains and doesn't know about how to prevent theft. I've ran into that and told them how to prevent it, but I also sancted the room for a bit so he could get used to closing the containers/getting up to drop off silvers/watch. I'm sure it pissed people off, but whatever.

[Sean of the Thread]

>>there's also a reason that GMs made the sanct spells. <<

Like I said before.. I doubt the envisioned making every fucking empath the ROOM POLICE across the lands! It has its place in rescues/invasions etc.

[Caramia]

Preventing the 98% of NON THIEVES in the room from hiding (for wracking purposes, loss prevention what have you) is not OK.

Whoever accused of sancters of being lazy needs to apply the same to the above -- go to the next room to wrack for crying out loud, if there's a sanct. It's not like there's only one place in town you can do that sign.

[Sean of the Thread]

Whoever accused of sancters of being lazy needs to apply the same to the above -- go to the next room to wrack for crying out loud, if there's a sanct. It's not like there's only one place in town you can do that sign.


Yeah if only it was that easy. So many fucking sancts. At anyrate killing sanct whores is fun so keep up the good police work!

[Kainen]

I think it's funny when people who steal tell others to suck it up when they get stolen from.. then cry about it when someone sancts so they cant steal. As far as sanct not being made to prevent stealing.. well by the same token I some how doubt the park was made for thieves to have a place to steal.

People who get stolen from should stop whining because it's preventable.
People who steal in the park should stop whining when it's sancted.

DS checks and all the other reasons to be hidden can be taken care of elsewhere.. or like someone said hide in another room and sneak in.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

>>there's also a reason that GMs made the sanct spells. <<

Like I said before.. I doubt the envisioned making every fucking empath the ROOM POLICE across the lands! It has its place in rescues/invasions etc.
And I doubt that GMs find it great for game play when obnoxious people take advantage of a few second slip-up at a festival where you have to drag around a ton of silver to enter raffles, or that it's great when thieves steal from level 5 people who are new to GS and don't know how to stop it.

There's two sides to every coin. Yes.. Sanctuary Room Police are annoying, but so are the tons of other people who can't do their annoying stuff because of the sanct, like scroll the screen with repetitions or steal from people.

To say EVERY empath is a room sancting "police person" is also a gross over statement. Yeah some Empaths are pretty retarded, but every profession has it's own share of retards/stereotypes that just aren't true. I've actually encountered more pissed off Clerics casting sanct to spite someone just because they can ward off high stuff. So meh, whatever.

We can complain about this or that all we like, but chances are... it's never going to change. Gotta roll with the punches.

[Sean of the Thread]

lol you guys are funny.

9 out of 10 dentist have approved the fact that 9 out of 10 sanct whores are empaths.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

lol you guys are funny.

9 out of 10 dentist have approved the fact that 9 out of 10 sanct whores are empaths.


That's wording it differently than before when you basically said all empaths are sanct whores. I still disagree, as like I said before, I've seen primarily clerics do it, especially just to be annoying. It's not worth it to me to argue about anyway, who does it more doesn't matter somuch as that it does happen, that's that.

[Sean of the Thread]

You're lying thru your fucking teeth if you say you've only PRIMARILY seen clerics do it.

Not to mention that most clerics are cool peeps and most empaths are douchebags with the exception of 5 that I could list but won't because I don't want to hurt any pussy puffs feelings.

[Drew]

Are you kidding me, more clerics sanct than empaths? Every whiny sancter I know is an empath, I can't think of a single cleric I know who abuses it.

[Czeska]

I pissed off a few rogues in EN by sancting the Dais once. But under those circumstances, I have no regrets. There was ONE empath (me), so going off every 2 minutes to put coin in the bank was unreasonable. People were being stolen from, by 2 thieves that were camped out. I was asked in whispers by at least 2 people to sanct.

There are other times, though, when I've sat and watched with amusement while people clean out the room. In the park, in the crypt, etc.

And for the record.. I have a rogue, who steals, so I have seen both sides of the coin.

[Asha]

There are other times, though, when I've sat and watched with amusement while people clean out the room. In the park, in the crypt, etc.
:lol: Don't lie. Your character's blind!

[Czeska]

HEY, I didn't say what I was watching.

Fine: I've sat and watched with amusement while people who were cleaning out the room get killed by Shimmerain :)

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

You're lying thru your fucking teeth if you say you've only PRIMARILY seen clerics do it.

Not to mention that most clerics are cool peeps and most empaths are douchebags with the exception of 5 that I could list but won't because I don't want to hurt any pussy puffs feelings.


Are you kidding me, more clerics sanct than empaths? Every whiny sancter I know is an empath, I can't think of a single cleric I know who abuses it.

In response to both of you, my comment was that I have experienced more clerics sancting to be obnoxious than I have empaths. But the difference is that I didn't make a broad blanket statement and say all clerics are like those that I've encountered. Plenty of people are guilty of it. Disagree with me all you like, but it's NOT just everyone of ONE profession.

[Asha]

It's obviously a favourite among a profession who sit and are given gems and coins all day till they have to use adrenal surge to stand. Not making a sweeping statement to regard all empaths as fat assed-coin whoring- sanct police, but it does make sense.
:heart: Chica, Cylla and Mitherien :heart:

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

It's obviously a favourite among a profession who sit and are given gems and coins all day till they have to use adrenal surge to stand. Not making a sweeping statement to regard all empaths as fat assed-coin whoring- sanct police, but it does make sense.
:heart: Chica, Cylla and Mitherien :heart:

It makes sense.. but you hit the nail on the head. I dislike the blanket statement.

-- Player of a non fat assed-coin whoring-sanct police empath

[Czeska]

http://www.forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=12834&page=193

No sancting :)

[Tea & Strumpets]

Observe how rational argument allows for gainful dialogue: You have only examined one possible motive for sancting. There are several others, two of which you've already mentioned for the sanctees and one that's been mentioned already in the thread.

I don't really care what the motive is for the sanctuary. If you are going to cast area affect spells, there will sometimes be consequences. The argument that it's a "non-violent" area effect spell is wrong, because I've been slept and bound in sanctuaries countless times, and because of the sanctuary I'm powerless to attack back.

I also don't like one person deciding that they don't want to see fighting, and enforcing their will on the entire room.

[Latrinsorm]

I don't really care what the motive is for the sanctuary.That's your prerogative. Someone who refuses to examine all the possible motives cannot be allowed to make statements as if there is only one possible motive.
I also don't like one person deciding that they don't want to see fighting, and enforcing their will on the entire room.Conversely, the sancter might not want to see one ubersnert impose eir will on the entire room. Not being able to attack is a lot less detrimental than not being able to do anything because you're dead.

[Czeska]

I'm ok with the "making the thief dead" option, Eric.

[Latrinsorm]

I meant the thief or some other jobber killing eir victims, actually. The situation seems to be people upset with a character who can't kill the thief, so ey resort to sancting. The last sentence was meant to be from the perspective of the bystander.

[Jolena]

why is it all the 'th' 's are gone from your words? It's odd. 'eir' instead of 'their' and 'ey' instead of 'they'

[Latrinsorm]

I got tired of writing "he or she" and "him or her" all the time, so I found out about these things called "Spivak pronouns". They're gender-neutral and singular, and they're formed/pronounced by taking [they/their/them] and chopping off the "th". Easy to remember, easy to use!

He or she is ---> Ey is
To him or her ---> To em

[Czeska]

Wow. English major's nightmare right there.

[Tea & Strumpets]

That's your prerogative. Someone who refuses to examine all the possible motives cannot be allowed to make statements as if there is only one possible motive.

I'm was saying that I don't care what the motive was, because the sancter has just cast an area effect spell. Whether they did it because Drizzsdt was harassing lvl 5 lowbies, or because they wanted to taunt a higher level player without risk of repercussions...is irrelevant. Assuming I'm an innocent bystander, I've just had them cast an area affect spell that restricts my actions.

Much like people get killed for casting quake that knocks you down for 15 seconds, there's a risk of getting killed when you cast a sanct that restricts people's actions for 5-30 minutes. At least the empaths, clerics, and mages can still cast attack spells and defend themselves (bind/sleep).


Conversely, the sancter might not want to see one ubersnert impose eir will on the entire room. Not being able to attack is a lot less detrimental than not being able to do anything because you're dead

So ubersnert is the bad guy for bullying one character, but the sancter imposing their will on the entire room is a great guy?

Anyway, just my point of view. That whole line about sanctuary being a peaceful spell is a crock of shit.

[CrystalTears]

Sometimes I think Eric just likes to play devil's advocate, basically for everything, since he seems to never agree with the majority on so many topics. :D

I only had a problem with the sanct because it affected the entire room. I agree with whomever said that if it was a group spell, it wouldn't be a problem. It's affecting everyone in the room, however. The reasons why it was cast doesn't really matter, it's a selfish spell to cast in a room with other people who don't want it up.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Sometimes I think Eric just likes to play devil's advocate, basically for everything, since he seems to never agree with the majority on so many topics. :D


Well, I think there is probably a time and place for the spell to be cast. I just don't think there's a time and place for the spell to be cast when the caster can say "It's a peaceful spell and you are a snert if I suffer any repercussions for enforcing my will on the entire room!"

[Latrinsorm]

So ubersnert is the bad guy for bullying one character, but the sancter imposing their will on the entire room is a great guy?No, the point was that "one person imposing eir will on the room is bad" can be an argument for or against sancting.
since he seems to never agree with the majority on so many topics.I like helping people. :)

[Drew]

So ubersnert is the bad guy for bullying one character, but the sancter imposing their will on the entire room is a great guy?

Anyway, just my point of view. That whole line about sanctuary being a peaceful spell is a crock of shit.



You know, I used to have a weapon that could kill people in a sanctuary, paticularly useful for those that cast sanctuary. It had a name: "The Equalizer". I wish I hadn't sold it.

[Tea & Strumpets]

No, the point was that "one person imposing eir will on the room is bad" can be an argument for or against sancting.I like helping people. :)

That's not what you said. You were justifying imposing your will an entire room because 1 person was bullying another person (not that you'd have any idea why the bullying was going on 9/10). I think you are trying some kind of Chewbacca defense, it just doesn't make sense.

If you'd said, someone was casting 435 in the park and you sancted, then you would have 2 similar situations with 1 person casting an area effect spell that affects the entire room.

Anyway, I don't care when or where you cast it, as long as you realize you are casting an area affect spell that some people will object to, just like people object to being quaked, e-waved, or any other area effect spell. Just don't cry about it if people kill you for it, because you started it.

[Nieninque]

lol@eric

[Latrinsorm]

You were justifying imposing your will an entire room because 1 person was bullying another person First, none of my characters sanct the park, so I'll thank you to keep this in the hypothetical. Where the bully stops is up to caprice; that is, it's entirely plausible for em to work eir way through each character in the room. In any event, ey are imposing eir will upon the room just as a sancter does. The bully not actually attacking everyone is exactly analogous to the sanct not being functionally noticeable to everyone. The difference is that the sanct has no deleterious after-effects, whereas being dead/robbed has some (though not much).
lol@ericYou don't like that name? :(