Need some advice.

[Shalla]

If you're a hiring manager and just interviewed 2 wonderful, and equally qualified applicants for a job, One has a car, One does not drive and rely on public transportation but open to moving closer to work. Who would you hire?

In all honesty, I think not having a car is a weakness, but I can't say that having a car is 100% reliable because there is always traffic. People are still late even with a car.

There is just something about commuting that I'm awkward about. Jamus said that people who rely on public transportation is always prompt. Which is true. I hate hate hate taking public transportation though, and I don't want that to influence my judgement or to be the reason for not giving someone a job because it's not fair. I can relate to someone who does not have a car. But when I didn't have a car, for some reason I've always had someone else driving me to anywhere I go. I have only considered once or twice to take public transportation and it's for very personal if not important reasons.

le sigh :(

Any point of views?

[Miss X]

I'd hire the one with a car because they are likely to be more flexible with working hours and generally more useful. I also don't like to use/rely on public transport myself, which would influence my choice.

[Sean of the Thread]

I'd say its a non issue. Find some other hiring "DECIDER" (lol) to base your decision on.

[Latrinsorm]

Definitely don't not hire the one person because you don't like public transportation. That just doesn't make a lick of sense.

[Wezas]

I'd say car too. For the reasons Vic mentioned plus I'm not sure if the employee will look to the company to cover part of their public transportation costs (they do here with discounted metro cards, etc).

Plus being able to come in if a holiday needs to be worked or some other time when busses/metro may not run would be helpful.

Also if any travel might involved in the job it would be alot quicker to use a car.

[Shalla]

Definitely don't not hire the one person because you don't like public transportation. That just doesn't make a lick of sense.

huh?

[Sean of the Thread]

He's saying you're retarded and shallow for basing your decision on ones mode of transportation.

I simply said since you stated "I hate hate hate taking public transportation though, and I don't want that to influence my judgement or to be the reason for not giving someone a job because it's not fair." you should base your judgement on something else because "I don't want that to influence my judgement"

[Shalla]

I'd say car too. For the reasons Vic mentioned plus I'm not sure if the employee will look to the company to cover part of their public transportation costs (they do here with discounted metro cards, etc). metro cards will be covered by the company. The position however is entry level and won't provide a car.



Plus being able to come in if a holiday needs to be worked or some other time when busses/metro may not run would be helpful. Actually, for the head office workers, holiday is a holiday so they're not required to come in unlike some companies.


Also if any travel might involved in the job it would be alot quicker to use a car.

Actually, I will be doing most of the travelling. The only thing she need to do out of the office, I suppose is to buy lunch and coffee.

[Sean of the Thread]

I think you've answered your own call for advice.

[CrystalTears]

If there is traffic, chances are it will happen to both the public transportation and those with their own vehicle. Many companies put on the application if they have reliable transportation (i.e. their own car).

I'm not sure what kind of business you're in, as to whether there are frequent schedule changes, or needing to work holidays, or if being late to the job is going to be a major issue. If that's the case, then hire the one with the car. If it won't ever change, being late is not a serious problem, and won't be required to work late hours, give the guy with the public transportation a chance.

[Shalla]

He's saying you're retarded and shallow for basing your decision on ones mode of transportation.

I simply said since "I hate hate hate taking public transportation though, and I don't want that to influence my judgement or to be the reason for not giving someone a job because it's not fair." you should base your judgement on something else because "I don't want that to influence my judgement"

My asking for advice and refusal to allow this to influence my judgement would suggest otherwise. Or did he miss that?

[Sean of the Thread]

Car pooling would be out to I guess?

[Shalla]

If there is traffic, chances are it will happen to both the public transportation and those with their own vehicle. Many companies put on the application if they have reliable transportation (i.e. their own car).

I'm not sure what kind of business you're in, as to whether there are frequent schedule changes, or needing to work holidays, or if being late to the job is going to be a major issue. If that's the case, then hire the one with the car. If it won't ever change, being late is not a serious problem, and won't be required to work late hours, give the guy with the public transportation a chance.

Thanks, Good advice. That is what I'm trying to do, to give the one with the public transportation a chance because in all honesty? I have asked alot of people and majority told me to hire the one with the car. I am concerned with her method of transportation, but I find myself wanting to hire her and defending her.

Having a car is an advantage but not necessarily mean that the person is reliable. I find that the carless person's commitment to move, and to wake up early to commute to a job is admirable. I would consider that a more reliable person.

[Sean of the Thread]

When I had to decide on hiring people I'd always feel more comfortable with hiring the person with a car. Turns out the people I hired that used public trans were less likely to be late. I'm saying it can go both ways.. and given the circumstances you described public transportation should work fine.

[Warriorbird]

I'd decide based on other grounds unless the position requires emergency situation/snow access.

If they make it to work on time they make it to work on time.

[Kefka]

Unless travel is required, mode of transport is a silly reason to base a decision on. Chose who makes better eye candy. :D

[Wezas]

While I agree w/ Kefka, you said they need to run out for coffee, etc.

Which, unless there's a coffee place right next door, might be an issue with a non-car person.

[Gan]

I'd say do a little background work and see, if you can get it, remarks from previous employers of both employees on attendance and punctuality. That will give you historical information on both of their modes of transportation and their motivation in using it to get to work promptly and reliably.

I've had applicants who were close but not close enough to use mode of transportation as a deciding factor in hiring. That would be my challenge as the hiring manager to dig deeper.

[Shalla]

Actually, the one with a car is a guy. It's hilarious because my job is like jeniffer aniston's in friends. She was in the same situation whether to hire the good looking guy or the qualified girl. Not that I would do what she has done, fortunately I don't have to go through that test. For the other applicant, even though he's good looking. is too boyish looking and not my type.

[Alfster]

You have to be the worst person in charge of hiring i've ever heard of.

[Shalla]

I'd say do a little background work and see, if you can get it, remarks from previous employers of both employees on attendance and punctuality. That will give you historical information on both of their modes of transportation and their motivation in using it to get to work promptly and reliably.

I've had applicants who were close but not close enough to use mode of transportation as a deciding factor in hiring. That would be my challenge as the hiring manager to dig deeper.

It's the 2nd interview. I think motivation wise, I'm going for the girl. From my impression, she really needs the job. I think one of the biggest factor to me hiring this girl is her motivation and commitment to the job. If she really needs it, therefore she will do anything to keep it and will do everything to succeed.


While I agree w/ Kefka, you said they need to run out for coffee, etc. We do have associate lounge/caffeteria, complete with coffee makers and vending machines. Some people in my department just prefer this coffee shop Tim Horton's not far from the building.. They send their assistants to buy them. They sort of take turns each day to who's assistant to send.

[Sean of the Thread]

While I agree w/ Kefka, you said they need to run out for coffee, etc.

Which, unless there's a coffee place right next door, might be an issue with a non-car person.

I'd say any office with a coffee counter installed is a shit hole.

[CrystalTears]

I'd say any office with a coffee counter installed is a shit hole.

WTF.

[Shalla]

You have to be the worst person in charge of hiring i've ever heard of. Maybe. but I'm also new to this job. I'm not in charge of over-all hiring of the company. I'm just in charge of hiring my assistant. I could give it to human resources to do, but I want to do the hiring myself because I want to work with someone I can get along with.

[Sean of the Thread]

It's the 2nd interview. I think motivation wise, I'm going for the girl. From my impression, she really needs the job. I think one of the biggest factor to me hiring this girl is her motivation and commitment to the job. If she really needs it, therefore she will do anything to keep it.

We do have associate lounge/caffeteria, complete with coffee makers and vending machines. Some people in my department just prefer this coffee shop Tim Horton's not far from the building.. They send their assistants to buy them. They sort of take turns each day to who's assistant to send.


WTF needs a job more??? You're not running a soup kitchen! Bill Lumbergh would pose the question "Is this good for the company??"


I was actually declined a job once because I didn't have a family to support. =/

[Sean of the Thread]

WTF.

You're saying your customer rep call center DOESN'T have a coffee machine?

If so it's a shit hole and you need to find another job. Hell even the GOV'MENT provided *EDIT* someone I know with leaky coffee cups and machine.

[CrystalTears]

That's not what you said.

[Shalla]

WTF needs a job more??? You're not running a soup kitchen! Bill Lumbergh would pose the question "Is this good for the company??"
I was actually declined a job once because I didn't have a family to support. =/

They're both good for the company for they are both equally qualified. The only difference is their method of transportation. It's small thing yes, but do you suggest any other deciding factor?

[Stanley Burrell]

Any point of views?

Yeah.

If you're in the boondocks, then the guy without the F-150 has some serious issues.

Otherwise, if you... or more like I... are commuting to work within a close distance in most NYC boroughs (or their prototypical metropolis equivalent) then it would be kind of weird to even question one's method of transportation.

I use my car exclusively to do grocery or appliance shopping within a very immediate radius of… Myself. That's it. If I can help it, I'll usually tolerate extreme weather conditions on foot to obtain said shopping items rather than maneuver around traffic in my P.O.S. automobile.

That being said... If transportation is the end all of your decision into hiring only one of these two fine young individuals, then as your internet-only attorney of some sort, I advise you, teh Shalla, to make your final decision based strictly upon location.

Also,


for some reason I've always had someone else driving me

World being a safer place = True.

[dez]

Unless the want add said "car a must" or "car a plus" transportation should not be an issue. I couldnt afford a car for the longest time so I had to bus it.
I worked OT so I could get the car and wouldnt have to use PT.

[Sean of the Thread]

That's not what you said.


Oh they must put your coffee machine, cups, creamer, stirrers on the floor where you work then. C'mon at least a fold out table?

[Gan]

I have several larger hospital clients who have taken to putting Starbucks or related coffee franchises in the corner of their lobbies. The money people are willing to spend on coffee is sick, especially in a 24 hour major hospital.

Investing in coffee to put into public gathering places is a good business decision if the product is reputable.

[Sean of the Thread]

Especially in a hospital. Hell they bank on vending machines alone. I wonder if they'll put another Starbucks on the the other corner of the lobby.

[Shalla]

The Ad did not say Car a must. because in all honesty, it's not an issue. Usually, someone is always more qualified but this time there's 2 and how ironic that something that is not a requirement is the deciding factor.

[Sean of the Thread]

Only because you made it the deciding factor I think? Somebody must have stood out in one thing or another? Give them situationals .. that usually will shine one over the other. Flip a coin! Base it on who came first.

I've based my decision on someone not bringing a writing implement to the interview before. If someone has to ask me for a pen in an interview .. the interview might as well be over.

I liked the motivation factor you stated. Why not go with that?

[Leetahkin]

Did either send a Thank You card after the interviews?
That could be a deciding factor if one did and not the other.

I also think there should be another deciding factor than mode of transportation if it's not a requirement for the job.

[Alfster]

The Ad did not say Car a must. because in all honesty, it's not an issue. Usually, someone is always more qualified but this time there's 2 and how ironic that something that is not a requirement is the deciding factor.

If it's not an issue then why the hell would you use it as a deciding factor?

[CrystalTears]

For the last fucking time...


I'd say any office with a coffee counter installed is a shit hole.

That seems to imply that if it has a coffee station that it's a shithole. I was willing to accept that you just fucked your sentence up, but since you want to be a smartass, learn to preview first.

[Shalla]

If it's not an issue then why the hell would you use it as a deciding factor?

Did you not read the initial post, or what we've been talking about?

[Back]

You may try to consider which one you feel more comfortable with, or click with better, to make your decision as you will be working closely with this person on a daily basis for years to come.

As to the transportation issue, it really isn’t an issue. Not everyone uses public transportation out of necessity. Wall Street would be shut down if they didn’t hire people who used the subway to get to work.

Trying to decide who needs the job more is a slippery slope. Hard to qualify with any precision. At this point, doesn’t everyone pretty much need a job?

Now for the brilliant suggestion of the week, free of charge. Propose your company set up a self-run espresso/gourmet coffee station at work. For a miniscule investment and maintenance cost, you will keep employees productive with free caffeinated drinks along with keeping them in the office more often.

[Alfster]

Did you not read the initial post, or what we've been talking about?

I read what you've been talking about, but it's not an issue.

That's the point, the way they get to work doesn't matter - don't use something that has no relevance to the job to decide who gets it.

Find something job related that you can base your decision on, not whether someone has a car or not.

[Apathy]

Have them fight to the death.

[SpunGirl]

What Apathy said.

-K

[Shalla]

They both have the credentials and have very similar experience. I wouldn't be asking advice if one person stood out. It just happens they both did, hence the dilemma. Obviously, if one person was better, I would've chosen him/her.

I could but didn't want to pry on their personal lives or ask more questions about it because it has nothing to do whether they will be able to do the job. Transportation, even though is not a BIG issue, is still part of the whole thing.

Needless to say both are single. The guy's education was paid for by his parents etc. and live with them. While the girl worked and sent herself to school and live alone.

[Alfster]

They both have the credentials and have very similar experience. I wouldn't be asking advice if one person stood out. It just happens they both did, hence the dilemma. Obviously, if one person was better, I would've chosen him/her.

I could but didn't want to pry on their personal lives or ask more questions about it because it has nothing to do whether they will be able to do the job. Transportation, even though is not a BIG issue, is still part of the whole thing.


As long as they can both make it to work then it's not an issue at all, as they wont be needing their vehicles for anything that is work related.



Needless to say both are single. The guy's education was paid for by his parents etc. and live with them. While the girl worked and sent herself to school and live alone.

This has nothing to do with how they will do their job. It's something that shouldn't be looked at when you're making a decision to hire.

Or, at the very least, if you are using something like this to make the decision, don't tell anyone.

#edited out of curiosity, how the fuck did you get that last information out of them without asking them an illegal question?

[Latrinsorm]

My asking for advice and refusal to allow this to influence my judgement would suggest otherwise. Or did he miss that?You actually said you didn't *want* it to influence your judgment and sounded like you were on the fence about it, hence asking for advice.
it's not an issue.Then don't decide based on it. You'd be best off not even referring to them as "the guy with the car" or whatever, to keep it out of your mind.
I was actually declined a job once because I didn't have a family to support.Didn't you tell them you're practically putting Jack Daniels Jr. through college!?

[Leetahkin]

Maybe you should have left the hiring up to HR.
You seem to be honing in on aspects of each person that has nothing to do with the job.

Or at this point, go to HR and ask them for advice on choosing the best one, that you can't decide between the two. They could steer you in the right direction for making a decision.

[DeV]

Needless to say both are single. The guy's education was paid for by his parents etc. and live with them. While the girl worked and sent herself to school and live alone.That's about as personal as it gets.

You need to use other options to access their viability.

Committment and a strong ability to perform all duties required should be the primary factor in deciding who gets the job. Transportation should not come into play if it is not a requirement.

[Sean of the Thread]

For the last fucking time...



That seems to imply that if it has a coffee station that it's a shithole. I was willing to accept that you just fucked your sentence up, but since you want to be a smartass, learn to preview first.

Have you ever considered becoming a freelance professional proofreader? The median salary is around 36k.

[Sean of the Thread]

That's about as personal as it gets.

You need to use other options to access their viability.

Committment and a strong ability to perform all duties required should be the primary factor in deciding who gets the job. Transportation should not come into play if it is not a requirement.

I agree. As I said earlier I was told point blank he was going to hire another candidate over me because I had no family and no mortage. Transportation seems like a bullshit thing to fret over.

[CrystalTears]

At least I'd still be working.

[Sean of the Thread]

At least I'd still be working.

Is that to imply I don't work?

[Shalla]

Is that to imply I don't work?

I think she's thinking more on the positive side of things.

but you're off topic.

Anyways, I'm hiring the girl.

I was concerned about her method of transportation but I realized that even when majority of people were telling me to hire the one with the car, including myself. It was over-shadowed by the girl's motivation in life, responsibility, perseverance and sending herself to school. Including willingness to arrange her life to better accomodate the job. I'm sure, once she gets this job. She will be getting a car.

[Wezas]

Anyways, I'm hiring the girl.

Because the guy isn't your type or because she needs it more?

[Shalla]

If the guy was my type. The more reason I won't hire him. Conflict of interest.

but I'd make sure to forward his resume to another department.

[Sean of the Thread]

Anyways, I'm hiring the girl.

I was concerned about her method of transportation but I realized that even when majority of people were telling me to hire the one with the car, including myself. It was over-shadowed by the girl's motivation in life, responsibility, perseverance and sending herself to school. Including willingness to arrange her life to better accomodate the job. I'm sure, once she gets this job. She will be getting a car.


Ahh this stupid fucking thread can die in peace now. Next time don't be such a dumbass.

[Shalla]

If you're such an advocate of getting rid of stupidity Xyelin, You should set an example and kill yourself.

[Sean of the Thread]

Not fatally I hope.

[Skeeter]

It was a stupid thread. you should've never considered transportation as the deciding factor, since it had no bearing on the job. That would be like using, hair length or sexual experience.

Sounds like you made the right decision in the end. But leave the hiring to people who are qualified in the future.

[Sean of the Thread]

Skeeter for Prez.

[Wezas]

Skeet for every man, woman, and .... you f'n sicko.

[Shalla]

I am stupid for even considering it. My concern wasn't an issue initially, until I asked advice about it and people had different point of views. Hire the one with the car, hire the carless. I want to give the job to someone with confidence that it is the right person. My concern was a small issue that got blown out of proportion because I asked too many people about it. Fortunately, the advice that really stood out like Jamus, ct's etc. are the ones that reflected how I truly feel regarding this matter.

[Sean of the Thread]

I am stupid for even considering it.


Double True.

[Shalla]

Gloating is also a sign of poor upbringing.

[Sean of the Thread]

Gloating is also a sign of poor upbringing.


This thread is a sign of poor management material.

[Alfster]

Gloating is also a sign of poor upbringing.

It's also a sign of winning

[Shalla]

I'm a fast learner.

[Shalla]

It's also a sign of winning

If you're in the 3rd grade. Congratulations Winner!

[Leetahkin]

If there's a next time, sit in on the interview with HR leading it. That way you'll hear the answers, and learn how to conduct an interview in the future.

I found your last sentence totally inappropriate too "I'm sure, once she gets this job. She will be getting a car." (well, should have been one sentence, but you made it two). It's not your business at a employer if they are going to get a car or not, as long as they are qualified for the job and it's not a requirement. I really hope you don't throw that in her face in a nice way after she starts work. I'd get aggravated real fast if my employer was fixated on me not having a car and trying to convince me to get one.

[Skeeter]

Vote the Skeeter / Xyelin ticket in 08

A stripper in every pot

[Shalla]

I'm not like that.

[CrystalTears]

Good grief. Can the insults and bickering end now that she's found resolution with this?

And I didn't take that last sentence with such force like you did. Just figured she was speculating that the girl will get a car. Whatever. Who fucking cares? I doubt she's going to tell her "go get a car now".

She may have come here looking for advice but you're assuming that she can't speak to her employees with tact just because she has to be on the defensive with this crowd. You guys can really be ruthless sometimes.

[Sean of the Thread]

If there's a next time, sit in on the interview with HR leading it. That way you'll hear the answers, and learn how to conduct an interview in the future.

I found your last sentence totally inappropriate too "I'm sure, once she gets this job. She will be getting a car." (well, should have been one sentence, but you made it two). It's not your business at a employer if they are going to get a car or not, as long as they are qualified for the job and it's not a requirement. I really hope you don't throw that in her face in a nice way after she starts work. I'd get aggravated real fast if my employer was fixated on me not having a car and trying to convince me to get one.


It's their perogative what they base hiring on as long as it meets EEOC. (private business)

Leave the adult threads alone and go back to figuring out if you should trade in your car with negative equity when you can't even pay your fucking mortage.

[Alfster]

If you're in the 3rd grade. Congratulations Winner!


GOOD ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, you've sounded retarded from the start of this thread all the way through, let it die!

[Latrinsorm]

Who fucking cares?The carless woman's boss does. She almost didn't get hired because she didn't have a car, what makes you think she'll have job security without one?
you're assuming that she can't speak to her employees with tact I don't remember anyone saying Shalla was tactless.

[Jazuela]

If -all- other criteria were equal among the two candidates, I'd pick the one who relies on public transportation. Why? Because he (she?) said he was willing to move closer to work. Guy with a car who doesn't live close to work gets a flat tire. He's gonna be late, *especially* if he doesn't live on a bus route. If you're lucky, he'll get there before lunch. Guy living close to the office doesn't -have- to rely on public transportation at all. He can walk, or ride a bicycle, or even rollerskate if he's into that kind of thing.

Being close enough to work that you can walk if needed > having only your own vehicle to rely on, during rush-hour traffic.