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Ilvane
10-18-2003, 12:21 PM
So I haven't been playing much lately..I came in and a really close and old friend of Ilvane's is there. I say hello, and she ignores me.

She then starts to say things like..

Kudra says, "there u go"

or

Kudra asks, "u want raising here then?"

It was depressing me, and making me upset to watch, because I knew the character wouldn't do something like that. I know it was out of character to do this, but I whispered to her..

You quietly whisper to Kudra, "At least say you, instead of u, it's embarassing to Kudra."

I then walked away. I got a thought back, confirming what I had thought..

[Private] Angelly: "'im useing her and will talk how i like thank YOU"

How sad..:(

I'm depressed, and I really do wonder why I even play anymore, when so many people just sell out.

-A

Edaarin
10-18-2003, 12:25 PM
Yeah, the worst are the high level people that get passed around a lot...

Anyone remember the person who got Jestine around July-August? Some of the stupidest shit I've seen in awhile.

Xcalibur
10-18-2003, 12:26 PM
$$$$$$

gotta hate that damn $ (or boredom, if it was his/her reason)

theotherjohn
10-18-2003, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by Ilvane

You quietly whisper to Kudra, "At least say you, instead of u, it's embarassing to Kudra."

-A

See that is where I think you are wrong. Kudra doesnt give a shit. If Kudra did there would not be mulitiple operaters.

Ilvane
10-18-2003, 12:33 PM
She wasn't always that way, that I know of. I am thinking at this point, she must have been sold or something. I don't know.

All I know is it is really depressing. Maybe other people expect it, or don't care, but I do.

-A

Parkbandit
10-18-2003, 12:38 PM
I used to get upset about that... was one of my biggest pet peeves...

Dissipate and Zhagen were the first of my friends to do it... and it irritated the hell out of me. It happens so frequently in just about every type of game like this now that it's not worth getting upset over.

Just highlight the new souls from skyblue to red and steal from them everytime you can... sometimes stealing a mage rechargable gem from one of them makes everything seem to be even :smug:

HarmNone
10-18-2003, 12:48 PM
I hear you, Ilvane. It always bothered me, too. It is one of the reasons I left. It just hurt too much for one of my characters to run into someone she had not seen in awhile, only to find that they had suffered some kind of terrible accident that left them unrecognizable to her.

I really am sorry about Kudra, but it does sound as though she knows what is going on, since the player you ran into said "I am 'using' her". ::sigh::

HarmNone understands how you feel

The Cat In The Hat
10-18-2003, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by Edaarin
Yeah, the worst are the high level people that get passed around a lot...

Anyone remember the person who got Jestine around July-August? Some of the stupidest shit I've seen in awhile.

I dont know the old Jestine but the one I've met recently is a tool

Cat

Solkern
10-18-2003, 01:05 PM
Yeah I hate lost characters, I hate when I see an old friend, and it's like hey!, they turn around and say i'm not who you think i am. Depresses me greatly, I remember when Zanagan got sold, the new guy who owned him, had not one damn idea what the hell to do, I saw Zanagan die like 10 times a day. I'm like what the fuck?? pisses me off

StrayRogue
10-18-2003, 01:08 PM
I hate this kind of shit. One extra reason GS is going down the pan. Isn't account swapping illegal?

Solkern
10-18-2003, 01:11 PM
Honestly, who knows, simu knows it done all the damn time, yet they do nothing to stop it.

10-18-2003, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by StrayRogue
I hate this kind of shit. One extra reason GS is going down the pan. Isn't account swapping illegal?

as always $$$ talks it is kind of like a bribe... let me sell my character and i will give you 15$ ::hands simu the money::

Xcalibur
10-18-2003, 01:12 PM
it takes so much time and effort to transfer characters, that 15$ is really cheap, you know...


:rolleyes:

HarmNone
10-18-2003, 03:31 PM
I feel the same, Daina. When I quit, I just left. No Swan Song. Just gone. In my mind, I always imagined that my characters had simply wandered off, seeking adventure in the wilds of Elanthia, as was their wont, and never returned. To have done otherwise would have been unthinkable to me.

HarmNone

IcyPoison
10-18-2003, 03:57 PM
You people complaining are silly. Worry about yourselves. Its none of your damn business what anyone else does with their character or account. Nobody cares, Simutronics doesn't care. If you don't like it, cancel your account. But bitching over and over about it accomplishes nothing.

StrayRogue
10-18-2003, 04:00 PM
10 to your 1 IceyPoison is an MA and have bought or sold an account before. Pathetic really. If you can't hunt or get far without either, you are fucking retarded. GS is an easy game for the most part. As for selling, you obviously have little respect for the game or RP environment and can be considered as OOC as the transaction itself.

IcyPoison
10-18-2003, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by StrayRogue
10 to your 1 IceyPoison is an MA and have bought or sold an account before. Pathetic really. If you can't hunt or get far without either, you are fucking retarded. GS is an easy game for the most part. As for selling, you obviously have little respect for the game or RP environment and can be considered as OOC as the transaction itself.

I do MA. I have bought/sold characters and accounts. I enjoy playing multiple characters, its the only thing that makes this game not boring. Oh and I don't RP. I enjoy the mechanics gemstone has to offer. Don't like it? Not my problem.

StrayRogue
10-18-2003, 04:04 PM
No its not my problem you are fucking tool. Not mine at all. Don't RP in an RP game. Fucking loser.

IcyPoison
10-18-2003, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Lady Daina
Who's bitching? Nowhere did I say people did not have the right to do as they choose with their accounts. All I said is I find it heartbreaking to have a friend suddenly not remember you in game. No attempt is made to RP it out, they just say "I'm not the same (insert name here)."

I agree with this statement, I as well would be disappointed to find out a good friend was sold.

IcyPoison
10-18-2003, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by StrayRogue
No its not my problem you are fucking tool. Not mine at all. Don't RP in an RP game. Fucking loser.

Cry me a river, build me a bridge and get the fuck over it, LOSER.

Obviously the people who make the game don't care, so there is nothing you can do about it. Why waste your time?

StrayRogue
10-18-2003, 04:07 PM
Fucking idiot. Why play an RP game to not RP? Why use more than one account to hunt? Are you actually disabled or something? Its not that hard you know.

JustMe
10-18-2003, 04:09 PM
IcyPoison is Icyion, the idiot that comes in here posting half logs, lying, wanting pity because someone harrassed him or called a GM on him. Then 20 minutes later the truth comes out and he looks like a dumbass when people find out that he wasn't the victim in the whole thing. He's an idiot and not worth worrying about.

StrayRogue
10-18-2003, 04:11 PM
Thanks for that JustMe. Nice to know another idiots fucking handle.

Myrianna
10-18-2003, 04:18 PM
Anyone else find it odd, that the one admitting to buying and selling characters... agrees it would be sad to find out one of their friends was sold?

IcyPoison
10-18-2003, 04:21 PM
Icyion is being sold.

[Edited on 10-18-2003 by IcyPoison]

IcyPoison
10-18-2003, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by StrayRogueWhy use more than one account to hunt? Are you actually disabled or something? Its not that hard you know.

Who said it was hard? Its just a hell of a lot easier to manipulate a situaton to my advantage with multiple accounts.

IcyPoison
10-18-2003, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by JustMe
IcyPoison is Icyion, the idiot that comes in here posting half logs, lying, wanting pity because someone harrassed him or called a GM on him. Then 20 minutes later the truth comes out and he looks like a dumbass when people find out that he wasn't the victim in the whole thing. He's an idiot and not worth worrying about.

Thanks Gizzelle... no wait.. Isalya.. no wait.. Korenthos.. oh wait.. How many accounts do you have actually? And you think you're any better? These people will jump down your MA throat just as quick as mine.

Rowi
10-18-2003, 04:27 PM
I have had many friends that sold out the arses! But i still miss them all in game. Outta game I try and stay in contact with them and tell them that the moron they sold to is a Mook.

"OLD FRIEND 137 TRAINS" [subdued]: "Anyone know where the note exchange is?"

WTF!! bahh, they should all be sold then deeded!

StrayRogue
10-18-2003, 04:28 PM
Manipulate situations to your advantage. Your the kind of spineless retards who deserve to die in this world. Fucking tool. You ruin this game.

JustMe
10-18-2003, 04:36 PM
Actually, I knew your name because of your Klaaser thread, would you like me to link you to it or do you remember directions on your own? :lol:

Edited to add: http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=1410

There you go, in case you get bored and need a little reading material. :moon:


[Edited on 10-18-2003 by JustMe]

Myrianna
10-18-2003, 04:43 PM
To manipulate people is one thing, to manipulate an entire situation by using other bodies is quite another. I can appreciate manipulation on the first level, it shows the ability to think, to read people, and to use that knowledge for self-advancement. But the second shows nothing except a cowardly way to reach what could be done easily with a bit more ... thought.

StrayRogue
10-18-2003, 04:44 PM
Exactly. Thanks for backing me up there Myrianna.

Reyek
10-19-2003, 09:30 AM
Angelly ::cough:: is Kudra's Real life Daughter ::cough:: :D

IcyPoison
10-19-2003, 02:40 PM
Yeah.. I'm soo bad.. I'm such an OOC scum.. Shows how much YOU know punk.. Someone upstairs likes how I play obviously.

With a sudden flash of insight, you realize you now understand more of what you have experienced.....

Ilvane
10-19-2003, 03:23 PM
Maybe she should tell her daughter to not act like an idiot though.;)

Just a thought! :lol:

-A

Methais
10-19-2003, 03:33 PM
<<Yeah.. I'm soo bad.. I'm such an OOC scum.. Shows how much YOU know punk.. Someone upstairs likes how I play obviously.

With a sudden flash of insight, you realize you now understand more of what you have experienced.....>>

Just because you get an RPA doesn't make you a good RPer. Just like being a Mentor doesn't mean you're smart and know what the hell you're talking about.

<<I do MA. I have bought/sold characters and accounts.>>

OMFG d00d u h4v3 n0 l33t $killz!!!!!!1!!1!!1

Snapp
10-19-2003, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by IcyPoison
Yeah.. I'm soo bad.. I'm such an OOC scum.. Shows how much YOU know punk.. Someone upstairs likes how I play obviously.

With a sudden flash of insight, you realize you now understand more of what you have experienced.....


To point out how much those mean as far as not being a snert.. I'd just like to add that Warclaidhm got an RPA.

Snapp
10-19-2003, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by Rowi
I have had many friends that sold out the arses! But i still miss them all in game. Outta game I try and stay in contact with them and tell them that the moron they sold to is a Mook.

"OLD FRIEND 137 TRAINS" [subdued]: "Anyone know where the note exchange is?"

WTF!! bahh, they should all be sold then deeded!


I've seen that too. I was hunting in Varunar a few weeks ago, and the empath that was sitting there was asking me how he/she healed scars & what herbs were what.. This empath is at least 40 trains, possibly older. It made me pretty sick when he whispered, "Sorry, havent adjusted to this character yet."

If you're going to buy a damn character, at least learn what spell does what... How fucking stupid is it when a highly trained character doesn't remember that an 11th train spell heals their scars.

edge
10-19-2003, 06:40 PM
Rowi! That was my old soul?!?!? LMAO!

<Manipulate situations to your advantage. Your the kind of spineless retards who deserve to die in this world. Fucking tool. You ruin this game. >

You know who the real fucking idiots and tools are IMO? The ones that pass on several thousands of dollars and just delete their accounts. Now that is fucking stupid. It's only a game. Money makes the world go around. If it was so truely bad. Simu would have done something about it. So this means it's ok with them. If you don't like it. Delete you characters and throw all that money down the drain and leave the game.

I know one person that sold his account to pay for his wedding. I think a wedding is more important than Gemstone or a few people that don't pay your bills, telling you what you should do. Right. STFU. If you are such a saint. Waste your own money and delete them. But hey, you don't want to waste your money.

We all know this goes on. If you don't like it. Leave. I didn't like the way things was headed. So I left to a much happier life. If Gemstone gets you so upset like it did me. You got a problem and need to leave.

edge
10-19-2003, 07:06 PM
Oh ya. I figured I had to speak and call people names to respond to that post. Had to speak the same language...heh

Rowi
10-19-2003, 08:49 PM
Since when you speak the same language, Edge?

Dont make me kick you in the arse again!

Yep, ya bum that was you about 4 people want to deed him cause he acts like a turnip farmer!

<I WANT THAT SCRIPT!> heh

Wezas
10-19-2003, 09:27 PM
Tayre is a tool.

That is all, nothing to see here folks.

IcyPoison
10-19-2003, 09:27 PM
Funny how StrayRogue shut up... I was looking for some more entertainment.

DCSL
10-19-2003, 10:21 PM
Hm... I don't know what I'd do if I were leaving that game. I can't stand the thought of Lysistrata in someone else's hands, doing things she shouldn't be doing. She's MINE.

On the other hand, I am a poor college student and money speaks to me. After pumping so much money into this game, I'd like a little of it back. I think I might compromise and delete all the characters 'cept locker characters and sell the account with misc. items and silvers so there'd be no Strata/Kuaike impersonators. The buyer would really be buying the Premium points, the silvers, and the items, and not the characters in my case. Sorry. I'm not immune to the siren song of money.

As for making a big production when I leave... I dunno, I don't think any of my characters would, although I'd have to have SOME kind of production for Strata at least. She's got her Nalfein poison ring (complete with various poisons) collection that she'd like to pass on to a deserving female Nalfein.

StrayRogue
10-19-2003, 10:52 PM
Hmmm, you want more you feckless whore? Any retard can get an RPA. Hell, they hand them out for scripting in rats. Its actually difficult to get them for actual RP these days.

GSTamral
10-19-2003, 11:29 PM
<<<
Anyone else find it odd, that the one admitting to buying and selling characters... agrees it would be sad to find out one of their friends was sold?
>>>

<<<<
Icyion is being sold.
>>>

The important word here is friend. If there are no friends, nobody is sad

IcyPoison
10-19-2003, 11:34 PM
I wasn't looking for sympathy you attention whore.

Don't you have someone to sue Tamral?

[Edited on 10-20-2003 by IcyPoison]

GSTamral
10-19-2003, 11:37 PM
just pointing out why nobody was sad to see you go, thats all. If you want to name call over it, by all means, it only illustrates the point better.

IcyPoison
10-20-2003, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by GSTamral
just pointing out why nobody was sad to see you go, thats all. If you want to name call over it, by all means, it only illustrates the point better.

Excuse me while I go sit in the closet and cry. I have better things to worry about than if someone is going to be sad to see my character leave.

/Sarcasm

edge
10-20-2003, 07:30 PM
STFU Rowi! Kill em if you don't like em. Hell, I was your friend and you would pick my pockets clean. So do the same to him. But whisper afterwards. Thanks for the gems Monkey like Vollendam use to do to me. Until I went on a killing spree of his gay pink ass. Then he got upset and reported me and said he will stop if I stop. What straight guys dresses in all pink? They don't. All his items was pink and he was a guy. Hell he was 70 trains over me when I owned him, but Drizzsdt was easier. I always thought him calling people Monkey was racist. Since he hated all straight guys.

IcyPoison
10-20-2003, 11:04 PM
I know str8 men who wear pink.. Maybe you're just not secure enough in your manhood?

AnticorRifling
10-20-2003, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by IcyPoison
I know str8 men who wear pink.. Maybe you're just not secure enough in your manhood?

I'm straight as it gets and I own pink, lavender, wine, and a myriad of other colors as far as dress shirts go. I don't own white because a white dress shirt is boring. It's all about making everything coordinate. My belt and shoes match, the buckle on my belt will match any other metal I'm wearing for the day (gold or silver) tie will bring the shirt and slacks together and basically I'm pimp so drop the thought that pink isn't for real men.

I've punched people while wearing my pink shirt. Fear it. :cool:

Methais
10-20-2003, 11:27 PM
You mean super pimp. Hugs to super pimp Anticor!

[Edited on 10-21-2003 by Methais]

Weedmage Princess
10-20-2003, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by edge
If it was so truely bad. Simu would have done something about it. So this means it's ok with them. If you don't like it. Delete you characters and throw all that money down the drain and leave the game.


I have to agree with Edge here.

Yes, I think it sucks when someone who you and/or your character was pretty tight with all of a sudden has no idea who you are. It sucks to watch a level 138 wizard die in GREY ORCS cause the person who bought said wizard has NO IDEA how to hunt. I know how all that feels. My character used to be pretty tight with Sigmundo, he disappeared for a bit then I saw him again...now mind you I had no clue he had been sold..so for the longest time I'd keep trying to talk to him and he'd ignore me...and I couldn't understand why. Then I found out he was sold. Yeah, it sucked. BUT like Edge said...Simu knows it happens, yet they do nothing. If they do nothing about it, then that means it's allowed. People have no right to harass the people who buy characters or anything else of the like, in my opinion. You have such a problem with bought characters, once you find out who they are, have nothing to do with them, or steal from them, or whatever..but...to stand there and treat them like they are "wrong" for buying a character. No. Take it up with Simutronics if you have that much of a problem with it. And watch how far you get...maybe a quarter of an inch...cause at the end of the day, it's all about the dollar bills, not about how you and I may feel about character sales or anything of the like.

And no I don't buy characters or anything of the like, so that's not the reason for my spiel, thanks.

Methais
10-21-2003, 12:05 AM
Here's my outlook on it:

I think buying characters is stupid. However, if I ever quit playing GS I'd sure as hell sell off all my shit, not "retire the character and keep his dignity" or however stupid bullshit these Hearthstone elite purist fags put it.

I mean if you're quitting the game, who gives a shit what people think about your (now sold) character?

StrayRogue
10-21-2003, 12:06 AM
You will give me your house right Methais? Come on, don't crush a guys feelings here...

Methais
10-21-2003, 12:39 AM
For a lot of money, sure. I've been offered up to 400m for it before ;)

Gan
10-21-2003, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by Methais
Here's my outlook on it:

I think buying characters is stupid. However, if I ever quit playing GS I'd sure as hell sell off all my shit, not "retire the character and keep his dignity" or however stupid bullshit these Hearthstone elite purist fags put it.

I mean if you're quitting the game, who gives a shit what people think about your (now sold) character?

My vote is for cashing in too. Hopefully there will still be a few rich suckers about that are willing to lay down some funds for my boys when I'm done...

cha-ching.

Ilvane
10-21-2003, 03:04 AM
I just couldn't sell my character. I wouldn't want anyone to have Ilvane and turn her into a power hunting jerk. It's just not acceptable to me. If that makes me a "Hearthstone elitist purist", so be it.

-A

P.S. I just wanted to say, I don't really care if someone sells thier character, I would just prefer to know. I guess it's just a matter of that. :D I personally would not do that, but you all have a right to do what you want.



[Edited on 10-21-2003 by Ilvane]

Methais
10-21-2003, 03:24 AM
Honestly though, if you're not ever going to play the game again or have anything to do with GS, why would you care enough to turn down hundreds (or thousands depending on the chaacter) of dollars over something you're never ever going to see/use again anyway?

[Edited on 10-21-2003 by Methais]

Edaarin
10-21-2003, 11:28 AM
Um, cash argument aside...I just couldn't reason throwing away the hundreds of hours (<--- that makes me sad) that I've invested into Edaarin. I'd pass him down or something if I didn't sell out.

3500000 exp, assume constant 35 exp absorption a minute...that's over 1600 hours, and that's being fried absorbing in a node 24/7. Throw in at least another 400 doing guild work.

Just seems like a waste.

Myshel
10-21-2003, 12:05 PM
When I got to the point of not being able to play very much anymore I gave my account with all my girls to my ig hubby. He could do what he wanted with her but decided he would rather have what little time I have now and kept the girls. That Myshel and Leila have some of the most unique alters in the lands, I know he could have gotten millions and millions of silvers for their stuff. When we both decide to stop playing I don't know what he will do with our things or characters, I left it up to him to decide. Right now we are happy playing and keeping company when we have time.
Its always been sad to me when a beloved character leaves or sells, but its the way of the lands now.
As for selling a character I'm not against it because lets face it, the money and time we put into our characters are enormous. I couldn't do it because like Dania I feel my girls are an extension of me. Its a personal choice. When I gave my girls to Ardwen I thought at the time I wouldn't be able to play at all anymore, and I thought perhaps he might want to find someone to take over his IG wife (which btw he found appalling that I would think that.. grin) I did find the time to play so I'm glad he didn't! If one day Ardwen decides to sell us thats his choice and I would be sad but not upset. Its his money.
Myshel

Wezas
10-21-2003, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by Myshel

::blah blah never play blah blah::
::blah blah girls blah blah::
::blah blah turned over to husband blah blah::



Perhaps he could make a tidy profit running a brothel. I know nothing about your girls, it's just a suggestion.

Disclaimer: No offense meant by the blahs, just wanted to give people an idea, but not repeat the entire post.

Myshel
10-21-2003, 12:19 PM
>>Perhaps he could make a tidy profit running a brothel. I know nothing about your girls, it's just a suggestion.
<<
>>Disclaimer: No offense meant by the blahs, just wanted to give people an idea, but not repeat the entire post. <<

Laughing.. I can't see Ardwen in a pimp outfit hangin at the bathhouse, but I'll mention it to him.

Myshel

[Edited on 10-21-2003 by Myshel]

Parkbandit
10-21-2003, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by Myshel
When I got to the point of not being able to play very much anymore I gave my account with all my girls to my ig hubby. He could do what he wanted with her but decided he would rather have what little time I have now and kept the girls. That Myshel and Leila have some of the most unique alters in the lands, I know he could have gotten millions and millions of silvers for their stuff. When we both decide to stop playing I don't know what he will do with our things or characters, I left it up to him to decide. Right now we are happy playing and keeping company when we have time.
Its always been sad to me when a beloved character leaves or sells, but its the way of the lands now.
As for selling a character I'm not against it because lets face it, the money and time we put into our characters are enormous. I couldn't do it because like Dania I feel my girls are an extension of me. Its a personal choice. When I gave my girls to Ardwen I thought at the time I wouldn't be able to play at all anymore, and I thought perhaps he might want to find someone to take over his IG wife (which btw he found appalling that I would think that.. grin) I did find the time to play so I'm glad he didn't! If one day Ardwen decides to sell us thats his choice and I would be sad but not upset. Its his money.
Myshel

So... what you are saying... is that all those times in the Silvergate Inn with Myshel and Falgrin... Myshel could have been controlled by Ardwen's character??

I'm feeling sick.

:smug:

Parkbandit
10-21-2003, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by Myshel
Laughing.. I can't see Ardwen in a pimp outfit hangin at the bathhouse, but I'll mention it to him.

Myshel


I could. ;)

Methais
10-21-2003, 10:02 PM
<<That's the way I see it, anyway. If you want to disagree, by all means. If you have to sink to the level of more namecalling and insults because we disagree, I say grow up.>>

Do yourself a favor and don't take things so personally. I wasn't directing anything at you. Maybe I worded it wrong, I dunno but I'm too lazy to word it right now :P

HarmNone
10-21-2003, 10:12 PM
I did not choose to sell my characters when I left. I just left. Perhaps it is because I really do not need the money. Perhaps it is because I was emotionally invested, to a degree, in a couple of those characters.

Mostly, I think it was because I did not want to cause problems for those who had known my characters. I could have taken the time to educate the buyer in their little nuances and their friendships. However, I could not know that the buyer would honor their social obligations or respect those who had befriended them.

I think, in a nutshell, the feelings I had for Elanthia as a whole made my decision for me. It is a magical land, full of love, and friendships, and camaraderie. The sold characters infringe on those things, in my view, and those are the things that mattered to me. :)

HarmNone could not have sold elves, hobbits, and humans. It would have been unseemly. ;)

Myshel
10-22-2003, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by Parkbandit
So... what you are saying... is that all those times in the Silvergate Inn with Myshel and Falgrin... Myshel could have been controlled by Ardwen's character??

I'm feeling sick.

:smug:

And I thought you two were platonic friends... :P

Dighn Darkbeam
10-22-2003, 12:21 AM
If I ever left I would step into an open void and quit.

Though Id make sure to be near a deserted town at an odd hour just incase I pop into TSQ.

Dighn will never be in the hands of another player.

Caramia
10-22-2003, 02:46 AM
I don't know who is running Blushes now, but could someone please give her cleric lessons, since my comments fall on deaf ears?

She tried to raise me once with parts missing and bleeders untended. Good thing another cleric had already linked to me. She tried to link too, not even watching what was going on.