Was archery tweaked?

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Since the release of GSIV, I've been hunting frost giants and titans, and it seems in the last few weeks their DS has gone up 20 - 30 points.

Also, I was able to take out titans in one shot to the eye about 90% of the time. As well as taking out a giants leg in two shots tops. I was just wondering what they changed any why.

[Soulpieced]

The main thing that changed was crit rank calculations. They used to be getting values higher than rank 9 which resulted in a LOT more death crits than you should have been getting.

But the short answer is yes something changed, no it wasn't directly related to archery, but general combat mechanics.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

The last two times I've been hunting has been extremely difficult. The DS pushdown from ambushing was helping me a lot, but now that their DS has been raised I'm doing piddly damage. It takes 4 - 5 shots to sever their leg even. And at 8 seconds a shot from hiding, it's not much fun.

[StrayRogue]

Giants are a very tough prey in GS4. They have lots of Hps and even nasty armor (I know the trolls in that area wear hauberk). Coupled with their ability to blast you with a bolt and smack you with a hard AS, they also are very good at detecting. Believe you me, you're not the only rogue up there having a tough time.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I was tearing through them at level 33 and 34, now suddenly they're a pain in the ass. I guess I'll browse around the official boards to see exactly what they changed and why it is effecting me so much.

[Halfsilver]

I can put bolts and arrows through the eye of any glacier denizen 85 percent of the time, without being revealed from hiding.

5 second rt for Bow. I was disappointed. I thought they'd be a little more difficult.

[Artha]

Why are you aiming for the leg?

They have eyes, you know.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Well, I wasn't critting the giants with the eyes a few levels ago, I wasn't getting high enough end rolls. So I'd have to knock them down first and THEN go for the eyes/neck. I haven't tried again yet, but my AS being 295 and their DS now around 225 my first shot from hiding, it ain't workin' well.

[Artha]

What type of bow are you using?

Also, if they aren't get your arrows e-bladed. It's much better.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I have a 4x longbow and master fletched e-bladed arrows.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Well, it was fun for about a month. I'll guess I'll just go back to never hunting like in GS3.

[Parkbandit]

Frost giants aren't the same as they were in GS3 and as such, they had a huge increase in their training level.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Frost giants aren't the same as they were in GS3 and as such, they had a huge increase in their training level.

Yeah, I know. I never said I was hunting them in GS3.

[Anebriated]

try out corpses TOJ, Elrodin started there at 28 and hasnt left... course i have been 34 for nearly a year now... They are really soft in the eyes and legs.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I don't think I should have to underhunt corpses, I'm level 35. Plus I don't hunt undead. It's just frustrating. Two levels ago, I was killing the titans in 1 or 2 shots. Now it's taking me 6 - 8 shots.

In GS3, being 3x picking/disarming left me a little undertrained in hunting skills. Now I'm fully trained in all of the hunting skills I need (2x ranged/ambush, 3x hiding/perc) and it is still difficult. Whatever they changed, I don't like it.

[Anebriated]

Oh, thought you were younger, hit up Kiramon. They are nice easy targets. They dont swarm so it gives you plenty of time to fire and stance.

Also, are you using the same techniques, ie. did you used to shoot from hiding but now shoot from open? did you switch from crossbow to bow?

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I was an edged user in GS3 who couldn't afford to train in CM.

As an archer, I try to shoot from hiding every time, which takes me 8 seconds with a longbow.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by ThisOtherKingdom
I was an edged user in GS3 who couldn't afford to train in CM.

As an archer, I try to shoot from hiding every time, which takes me 8 seconds with a longbow.

8 seconds?? Esh. You have something wrong there pal.

Granted, dwarves have a slightly lower roundtime, but it only takes him 3 from hiding.. 4 if aiming.. 5 if no strength on because he is not fully trained for his brig.

8 seconds? Esh.

[Anebriated]

well part of the problem could be training... what prof/race are you? were there any changes from when you were first hunting the glacier with archery compared to now, as in hunting styles?

Even as an elf i shoot a longbow from hiding in about 5 seconds

[CrystalTears]

My roundtime from hiding with her longbow is 7 seconds, and that's with my ranger being a halfling and without strength. With strength it's about 4 or 5 seconds and that's fine by me.

[Anebriated]

common misception is that as an archer you dont need strength. every +10 bonus in it gives you -1 rt. but that wouldnt be the reason that TOK is missing his shots. that could have to do with spells that have been cast(depending on his profession), the ranks of perception and ambush, and what type of weapon, ie a crossbow has a bonus to aiming naturally.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I'm a half-elf rogue, I use a longbow. An aimed shot from hiding takes me 8 seconds. Unaimed from the open takes 6 seconds.

(at level 35), your skill bonuses and ranks are:
Skill Name | Bonus Ranks Goals Time to Goal
Armor Use..........................| 120 30 30
Ranged Weapons.....................| 174 74 74
Ambush.............................| 174 74 74
Physical Fitness...................| 132 36 36
Dodging............................| 174 74 74
Harness Power......................| 5 1 1
Disarming Traps....................| 208 108 108
Picking Locks......................| 208 108 108
Stalking and Hiding................| 211 111 111
Perception.........................| 211 111 111
Climbing...........................| 25 5 5
Swimming...........................| 5 1 1
Pickpocketing......................| 174 74 74



Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 82 (16) ... 82 (16)
Constitution (CON): 63 (6) ... 63 (6)
Dexterity (DEX): 90 (25) ... 90 (25)
Agility (AGI): 97 (33) ... 97 (33)
Discipline (DIS): 63 (1) ... 63 (1)
Aura (AUR): 95 (22) ... 95 (22)
Logic (LOG): 74 (12) ... 74 (12)
Intuition (INT): 78 (14) ... 78 (14)
Wisdom (WIS): 75 (12) ... 75 (12)
Influence (INF): 68 (14) ... 68 (14)

[Anebriated]

Ok, skills dont look like they are the problem. Im guessing that something might have been tweaked with the giants, most likely something wasnt updated properly with the level conversion and they just now got to it which is what the DS boost might be. I still suggest Kiramon for someone of your train. If you use a crossbow they fall nicely.

[Vesi]

Your strength stat is most likely the reason you have such a high RT. What kind of armor are you in?

Elven rogue archer with a longbow. Five seconds open or don't stay hidden, six if I stay hidden and seven if I aim.

Vesi

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I'm in brig, which is what I'm trained for.

[Anebriated]

his shooting stats are correct, 7 sec rt base for a longbow -1 for ST bonus, so thats 6 base, from hiding aimed is 8. That is just as he said. But according to him the problem isnt the RT, its the way the arrows are hitting. His aiming has been off lately.

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Elrodin
his shooting stats are correct, 7 sec rt base for a longbow -1 for ST bonus, so thats 6 base, from hiding aimed is 8. That is just as he said. But according to him the problem isnt the RT, its the way the arrows are hitting. His aiming has been off lately.

Ok. Don't know why I was focusing on RT so much.

It takes my archer about four arrows to bring down a greater ice giant. They are one level above her. Normally she hunts undead so not really sure what it would have been before. She will sweep (if she can) and aim for the eye. Those normally take two arrows if she's lucky. Maybe giants are just harder overall?

Vesi

[Anebriated]

takes me 1-2 arrows for a corpse and 2 bolts tops for a kiramon. works well for me.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Alright, here's a little log of me hunting. It takes me 19 arrows to kill two frost giants and one titan. Notice how often I came out of hiding even though I'm 3x. Anyway, I was wondering if it is just my imagination that something is wrong, or if hunting is meant to be this way. Observe.




The cold winds begin to howl with relentless fury, chilling you to the bone!
>hide
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>
The titan sniffs around looking for something.
An arctic titan looks frustrated.
>stance off
You are now in an offensive stance.
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You are no longer hidden.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +271 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +60 = +116
... and hit for 5 points of damage!
Thrust catches chin.
Leaves an impression but no cut.

** As you hit, your arrow flares with a bolt of lightning! **
... 20 points of damage!
Heavy spark to right arm. Gonna hurt tomorrow.
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
Glancing shot. The wooden arrow flips over, landing behind a frost giant.
Roundtime: 7 sec.
>hide
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>aim l eye
The titan sniffs around looking for something.
An arctic titan looks frustrated.
>
You're now aiming at the left eye of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
A frost giant lumbers southeast, followed by a swirling snowstorm.
>
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>fire tit
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You are no longer hidden.
You fire a wooden arrow at an arctic titan!
AS: +295 vs DS: +204 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +68 = +186
... and hit for 47 points of damage!
Attack punctures the eye and connects with something really vital!
The arctic titan falls to the ground motionless.
The wooden arrow sticks in an arctic titan's left eye!
Roundtime: 7 sec.
>stance def
You are now in a defensive stance.
>unhide
But you are not hidden!
>search tit
You search the arctic titan.
It had a wooden arrow, some cuirbouilli leather, a reinforced shield, a handaxe.
It didn't carry any silver.
It had nothing else of value.
An arctic titan turns to dust.
You don't find anything useful.
>gather wooden arrow
You gather 2 wooden arrows into a bundle.
>put my arrow in my wood arrow in my quiver
You bundle some wooden arrows together.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>se
[Glatoph, Glacier]
The way to the east ends in an icy abyss. The chasm's bottom cannot be seen, and you move carefully away from the edge, hoping the wind will not shove you over and to your death. You also see a frost giant, a handaxe, some cuirbouilli leather and a deep chasm.
Obvious paths: southwest, west, northwest
>
A frost giant swings a war hammer at you!
You evade the attack!
>hide
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>aim head
You're now aiming at the head of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>stance off
You are now in an offensive stance.
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +232 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +37 = +132
... and hit for 15 points of damage!
Glancing strike to the head!
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
Lacking the force and angle to lodge in a frost giant, the wooden arrow simply falls.
Roundtime: 8 sec.
>
You do not feel drained anymore.

>l giant

You see a fairly typical frost giant.
It has minor bruises around its head and some minor cuts and bruises on its right arm.
It has a reinforced shield, some full leather (worn), a leather helm (worn) and a war hammer.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
...wait 3 seconds.
>fire giant
...wait 2 seconds.
>
A frost giant searches around nervously.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +230 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +83 = +180
... and hit for 34 points of damage!
Nice shot to the head gouges the frost giant's cheek!
The frost giant is stunned!
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
The wooden arrow ricochets away from a frost giant, landing nearby.
Roundtime: 8 sec.
>l giant

You see a fairly typical frost giant.
It has minor lacerations about its head and a possible mild concussion and some minor cuts and bruises on its right arm.
It is stunned.
It has a reinforced shield, some full leather (worn), a leather helm (worn) and a war hammer.
>aim l leg
You're now aiming at the left leg of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>
A frost giant throws her head back and howls, shaking off the stun!
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +226 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +15 = +116
... and hit for 10 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the left leg.
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
Bad angle. The wooden arrow fails to stick in a frost giant.
Roundtime: 8 sec.
>l giant
You see a fairly typical frost giant.
It has minor lacerations about its head and a possible mild concussion, some minor cuts and bruises on its right arm and some minor cuts and bruises on its left leg.
It has a reinforced shield, some full leather (worn), a leather helm (worn) and a war hammer.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +220 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +16 = +123
... and hit for 12 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the left leg.
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
Bad angle. The wooden arrow fails to stick in a frost giant.
Roundtime: 8 sec.
>l giant

You see a fairly typical frost giant.
It has minor lacerations about its head and a possible mild concussion, some minor cuts and bruises on its right arm and a fractured and bleeding left leg.
It has a reinforced shield, some full leather (worn), a leather helm (worn) and a war hammer.
>
A frost giant searches around nervously.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +218 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +70 = +179
... and hit for 39 points of damage!
Well aimed shot, punctures calf!
A frost giant falls to the ground grasping her mangled left leg!
The frost giant is stunned!
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
The wooden arrow sticks in a frost giant's left leg!
Roundtime: 8 sec.
A frost giant lumbers in, followed by a swirling snowstorm!
>aim l eye
You're now aiming at the left eye of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
A frost giant furrows her icy brow.

>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>fire other giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You are no longer hidden.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +169 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +17 = +175
... and hit for 39 points of damage!
Strike to temple! Saved by a thick skull!
The frost giant is stunned!
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
The wooden arrow sticks in a frost giant's head!
Roundtime: 7 sec.
>
An arctic titan lumbers into view.
>
A frost giant mutters an incantation.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
A frost giant throws her head back and howls, shaking off the stun!
>
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>stance def
You are now in a defensive stance.
>hide
A frost giant points an icy finger at you!
A frost giant hurls a freezing ball of pure cold at you!
AS: +207 vs DS: +300 with AvD: +39 + d100 roll: +15 = -39
A clean miss.
>
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>l
[Glatoph, Glacier]
The way to the east ends in an icy abyss. The chasm's bottom cannot be seen, and you move carefully away from the edge, hoping the wind will not shove you over and to your death. You also see an arctic titan, a frost giant, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a frost giant that is lying down, a handaxe, some cuirbouilli leather and a deep chasm.
Obvious paths: southwest, west, northwest
>aim r eye
>
The titan sniffs around looking for something.
An arctic titan looks frustrated.
>
You're now aiming at the right eye of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>stance off
A frost giant searches around nervously.
>
You are now in an offensive stance.
>fire other giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You are no longer hidden.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +155 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +93 = +265
... and hit for 84 points of damage!
Deft strike to abdomen penetrates several useful organs!
The frost giant is stunned!
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
The wooden arrow sticks in a frost giant's abdomen!
Roundtime: 7 sec.
>
The shrieking winds become suddenly violent. The temperature drops drastically, numbing your extremities in a heartbeat. You cannot see through the flying snow and ice, and it looks as though you may be in trouble!
>
A frost giant throws her head back and howls, shaking off the stun!
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>stance def
You are now in a defensive stance.
>hide
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>l
The titan sniffs around looking for something.
An arctic titan looks frustrated.
An arctic titan lumbers southwest.
>
[Glatoph, Glacier]
The way to the east ends in an icy abyss. The chasm's bottom cannot be seen, and you move carefully away from the edge, hoping the wind will not shove you over and to your death. You also see a frost giant, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a frost giant that is lying down, a handaxe, some cuirbouilli leather and a deep chasm.
Obvious paths: southwest, west, northwest
>aim l eye
You're now aiming at the left eye of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>l other giant

You see a fairly typical frost giant that is lying down.
It has severe head trauma and bleeding from its ears, some minor cuts and bruises on its right arm, a completely severed left leg and deep gashes and serious bleeding from its abdomen.
It has a wooden arrow (worn), a wooden arrow (worn), a wooden arrow (worn), a reinforced shield, some full leather (worn), a leather helm (worn) and a war hammer.
>aim l eye
You're now aiming at the left eye of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>stance off
A frost giant searches around nervously.
A frost giant discovers you in your hiding place!

A frost giant swings a war hammer at you!
AS: +244 vs DS: +390 with AvD: +26 + d100 roll: +91 = -29
A clean miss.
>
You are now in an offensive stance.
>fire other giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +155 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +59 = +231
... and hit for 73 points of damage!
Deft strike to the back cracks vertebrae!
The frost giant is stunned!
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
The wooden arrow sticks in a frost giant's back!
Roundtime: 7 sec.
>
A frost giant throws her head back and howls, shaking off the stun!
>aim r eye
You're now aiming at the right eye of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>fire other giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +155 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +94 = +266
... and hit for 79 points of damage!
Incredible shot to the eye penetrates deep into skull!
The frost giant cries out in cold agony one last time and dies.
The wooden arrow sticks in a frost giant's right eye!
Roundtime: 7 sec.
>
A frost giant swings a war hammer at you!
AS: +244 vs DS: +235 with AvD: +26 + d100 roll: +79 = +114
... and hits for 3 points of damage!
Thumped your chest.
>stance def
You are now in a defensive stance.
>search giant
You search the frost giant.
It had a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a reinforced shield, some full leather, a leather helm, a war hammer.
It had 127 silvers on it.
You gather the remaining 127 coins.
It had nothing else of value.
A frost giant melts away, leaving nothing behind.
You don't find anything useful.
>hide
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>aim head
You're now aiming at the head of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>l giant
A frost giant snatches up a reinforced shield!
>

You see a fairly typical frost giant.
It appears to be in good shape.
It has a reinforced shield, some full leather (worn), a leather helm (worn) and a war hammer.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>stance off
You are now in an offensive stance.
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You are no longer hidden.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +251 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +95 = +171
... and hit for 33 points of damage!
Beautiful head shot!
That ear will be missed!
The frost giant is stunned!

** As you hit, your arrow flares with a bolt of lightning! **
... 25 points of damage!
Visible wisps of electricity shoot up right leg. Youch!
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
The wooden arrow sticks in a frost giant's head!
Roundtime: 7 sec.
>l giant

You see a fairly typical frost giant.
It has minor lacerations about its head and a possible mild concussion and some minor cuts and bruises on its right leg.
It is stunned.
It has a wooden arrow (worn), a reinforced shield, some full leather (worn), a leather helm (worn) and a war hammer.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>
A frost giant throws his head back and howls, shaking off the stun!
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
The frost giant evades your missile!
The wooden arrow disappears into the local environs.
Roundtime: 7 sec.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
...wait 3 seconds.
>fire giant
...wait 2 seconds.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
fire giant
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +234 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +1 = +94
A clean miss.
The wooden arrow disappears into the local environs.
Roundtime: 7 sec.
>hide
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>
A frost giant searches around nervously.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +220 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +40 = +147
... and hit for 23 points of damage!
Nice shot to the head gouges the frost giant's cheek!
The frost giant is stunned!
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
Bad angle. The wooden arrow fails to stick in a frost giant.
Roundtime: 8 sec.
>l giant

You see a fairly typical frost giant.
It has severe head trauma and bleeding from its ears and some minor cuts and bruises on its right leg.
It is stunned.
It has a wooden arrow (worn), a reinforced shield, some full leather (worn), a leather helm (worn) and a war hammer.
>
Suddenly, the winds begin to gust. They whip around you screaming, relentless in their fury. Brought by their chill touch, waves of painful cold course throughout your body!
The blinding snow and howling wind drives you out of hiding.
>aim r leg
You're now aiming at the right leg of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>
get 1 arrow from my quiver
A frost giant throws his head back and howls, shaking off the stun!
>
You need a free hand to do that.
>hide
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire your vaalorn-inlaid longbow at a frost giant but the shot flies wide of the target!
The wooden arrow flies off to the west!
Roundtime: 8 sec.
>l
[Glatoph, Glacier]
The way to the east ends in an icy abyss. The chasm's bottom cannot be seen, and you move carefully away from the edge, hoping the wind will not shove you over and to your death. You also see a wooden arrow, a war hammer, a leather helm, some full leather, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a frost giant, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a handaxe, some cuirbouilli leather and a deep chasm.
Obvious paths: southwest, west, northwest
>aim r leg
You're now aiming at the right leg of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
A frost giant disgorges a large chunk of ice.
>
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +206 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +51 = +172
... and hit for 36 points of damage!
Well aimed shot, punctures calf!
The frost giant is stunned!
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
The wooden arrow sticks in a frost giant's right leg!
Roundtime: 8 sec.
>l giant

You see a fairly typical frost giant.
It has severe head trauma and bleeding from its ears and a fractured and bleeding right leg.
It is stunned.
It has a wooden arrow (worn), a wooden arrow (worn), a reinforced shield, some full leather (worn), a leather helm (worn) and a war hammer.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +202 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +22 = +147
... and hit for 24 points of damage!
Strike pierces thigh!
The frost giant is knocked to the ground!

** As you hit, your arrow flares with a bolt of lightning! **
... 20 points of damage!
Heavy spark to chest. Bet that hurts.
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
The wooden arrow is deflected to one side, sailing to the ground.
Roundtime: 8 sec.
>
A frost giant slowly works his way back into a standing position.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>fire giant
>
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You are no longer hidden.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +202 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +53 = +178
... and hit for 38 points of damage!
Well aimed shot, punctures calf!
The frost giant is stunned!
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
The wooden arrow sticks in a frost giant's right leg!
Roundtime: 7 sec.
>l giant

You see a fairly typical frost giant.
It has severe head trauma and bleeding from its ears, a fractured and bleeding right leg and some minor cuts and bruises on its chest.
It is stunned.
It has a wooden arrow (worn), a wooden arrow (worn), a wooden arrow (worn), a reinforced shield, some full leather (worn), a leather helm (worn) and a war hammer.
>
A frost giant throws his head back and howls, shaking off the stun!
>aim l eye
You're now aiming at the left eye of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>
A small whirlwind races through the area.
>l
[Glatoph, Glacier]
The way to the east ends in an icy abyss. The chasm's bottom cannot be seen, and you move carefully away from the edge, hoping the wind will not shove you over and to your death. You also see a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a frost giant, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow and a deep chasm.
Obvious paths: southwest, west, northwest
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +199 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +73 = +201
... and hit for 43 points of damage!
Surgical strike removes the frost giant's left eye!
The frost giant is stunned!

** As you hit, your arrow flares with a bolt of lightning! **
... 15 points of damage!
Mild electric jolt sends the frost giant into spasms.
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
The wooden arrow sticks in a frost giant's left eye!
Roundtime: 7 sec.
>aim neck
A frost giant throws his head back and howls, shaking off the stun!
>
You're now aiming at the neck of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>hide
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +199 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +68 = +196
... and hit for 56 points of damage!
Damaging strike to chest, several ribs shattered!
The frost giant is stunned!
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
The wooden arrow sticks in a frost giant's chest!
Roundtime: 8 sec.
>l giant

You see a fairly typical frost giant.
It has severe head trauma and bleeding from its ears, a fractured and bleeding right leg, deep lacerations across its chest, a blinded left eye and a strange case of muscle twitching.
It is stunned.
It has a wooden arrow (worn), a wooden arrow (worn), a wooden arrow (worn), a wooden arrow (worn), a wooden arrow (worn), a reinforced shield, some full leather (worn), a leather helm (worn) and a war hammer.
>
A frost giant throws his head back and howls, shaking off the stun!
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>fire gi
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You are no longer hidden.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +198 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +58 = +187
... and hit for 43 points of damage!
Neck skewered, sliding past the throat and spine! That looks painful.
The frost giant is stunned!
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
The wooden arrow sticks in a frost giant's neck!
Roundtime: 7 sec.
>l giant

You see a fairly typical frost giant.
It has severe head trauma and bleeding from its ears, snapped bones and serious bleeding from its neck, a fractured and bleeding right leg, deep lacerations across its chest, a blinded left eye and a strange case of muscle twitching.
It is stunned.
It has a wooden arrow (worn), a wooden arrow (worn), a wooden arrow (worn), a wooden arrow (worn), a wooden arrow (worn), a wooden arrow (worn), a reinforced shield, some full leather (worn), a leather helm (worn) and a war hammer.
>
Suddenly, the winds begin to gust. They whip around you screaming, relentless in their fury. Brought by their chill touch, waves of painful cold course throughout your body!
You shiver as the frigid wind seems to find every gap in your clothing.
... 3 points of damage!
You wince as the cold blast numbs your left arm
You have been injured by the gale!

>aim back
You're now aiming at the back of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
A frost giant throws his head back and howls, shaking off the stun!
>
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +198 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +2 = +131
... and hit for 15 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the left leg.
The scintillating silver light surrounding the arrow fades some.
The wooden arrow is deflected to one side, sailing to the ground.
Roundtime: 7 sec.
>hide
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>
A frost giant shivers violently a moment, spraying snow and ice everywhere.
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You are no longer hidden.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
The frost giant blocks your missile!
The wooden arrow disappears into the local environs.
Roundtime: 7 sec.
>hide
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>get 1 arrow from my quiver
You remove a single wooden arrow from a bundle of wooden arrows.
>aim r eye
You're now aiming at the right eye of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>fire giant
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You fire a wooden arrow at a frost giant!
AS: +295 vs DS: +200 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +57 = +184
... and hit for 32 points of damage!
Well aimed shot almost removes an eye!
The frost giant falls to the ground motionless.
Lacking the force and angle to lodge in a frost giant, the wooden arrow simply falls.
Roundtime: 8 sec.
>stance def
You are now in a defensive stance.
>unhide
You do not believe anyone noticed you slip out of hiding.
>search giant
You search the frost giant.
It had a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow, a reinforced shield, some full leather, a leather helm, a war hammer.
It had 19 silvers on it.
You gather the remaining 19 coins.
It had nothing else of value.
A frost giant melts away, leaving nothing behind.
You don't find anything useful.
>gather wooden arrow
You gather 19 wooden arrows into a bundle.

[Anebriated]

try Kiramon or Shan. They are a bit easier for archers it seems.

[Carl Spackler]

or use a crossbow

[Anebriated]

a crossbow in that situation is dangerous. I would suggest not using a crossbow if the creatures swarm with more than 1 or 2 in a room. Sometimes creatures are just very perceptive, most undead are, some living are. That is most likely why you kept being pulled from hiding. The aiming will come and go with accuracy, some days your on, some your off. Just have to learn to live with it. That has never changed since i started an archer that i can remember.

[Parkbandit]

Giants are.. giants and as such have tons of blood. Crits are completely random now and it looks as though you randomly got hosed.

At your level, I would be on Teras hunting in the village or kiromen... but that's me.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by ThisOtherKingdom
>fire tit
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You are no longer hidden.
You fire a wooden arrow at an arctic titan!
AS: +295 vs DS: +204 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +68 = +186
... and hit for 47 points of damage!
Attack punctures the eye and connects with something really vital!
The arctic titan falls to the ground motionless.
The wooden arrow sticks in an arctic titan's left eye!
Roundtime: 7 sec.

Anyone else wince when they saw that command?


>search tit


hehehe

[ThisOtherKingdom]

For the record, I am pro-tit.

[AnticorRifling]

I say find a different creature. Giants have too much blood to nickel and dime them to death. Like it was stated before. If you insist on staying on the glacier find someone attuned to fire to eblade for you.

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Wezas

Originally posted by ThisOtherKingdom
>fire tit
You nock a wooden arrow in your vaalorn-inlaid longbow.
You are no longer hidden.
You fire a wooden arrow at an arctic titan!
AS: +295 vs DS: +204 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +68 = +186
... and hit for 47 points of damage!
Attack punctures the eye and connects with something really vital!
The arctic titan falls to the ground motionless.
The wooden arrow sticks in an arctic titan's left eye!
Roundtime: 7 sec.

Anyone else wince when they saw that command?


>search tit


hehehe

Least I'm not the only one that's demented. I used to laugh to myself when I would hunt cockatrices. Skin and search were just the icing.

I was thinking about how much blood a giant had. Think I stopped counting at around 250 on your frost giant and it still wasn't dead. I know it can be frustrating.

Vesi