Police Officer Unappreciation Thread.

[Stunseed]

I'm driving my son back from his friend's house this afternoon. A cop does a U-turn and gets behind me. At this point, the speed limit is 55, which I am doing slightly less. A quarter mile later, the speed limit drops to 45 miles per hour. I am in the left lane, a car going 50-ish is in the right, and the cop is slowing gaining on the car in the right lane. I accelerate to 56 mph to get past the car going 50-ish, and move into the slow ( right ) lane. I am then pulled over for allowing the cop to pass us both.

Being nice just cost me a day's worth of work, of $155.50.

Fuck cops.

[Ebondale]

NWA says, "Fuck tha police!"

[Back]

Uh, thats po-lice muthafucka.

Man, I don't understand. Was it a speeding ticket?

Don't know what city or state you are in, but my worst ever experiences with cops was in LA.

[Ebondale]

Fairfax County, VA has shitty cops.

I've personally witnessed cops tailgate drivers and increase their speed (forcing the driver to increase their own speed) and when the driver exceeds the speedlimit the cops flip their lights on and ticket them.

I hate cops.

[Artha]

I got pulled over one time for going 40 in a 25. Mr. Cop tailgated me and I didn't see the lights on his car :(

No ticket though, yay4police!

[Hulkein]

Too bad you don't have FOP stuff, bwahahaha!

PS: http://www.popmatters.com/music/interviews/images/ice-cube-050128.jpg

[Jennaen]

...the speed limit drops to 45 miles per hour... I accelerate to 56 mph ...and move into the slow ( right ) lane. I am then pulled over for allowing the cop to pass us both.


Kinda reminds me of people that get upset when they get in an accident in an intersection because they moved out into the intersection to let an official/emergency vehicle through. Emergency vehicles will drive on the wrong side of the road, on the sidewalk, grass... whatever it takes, if they need to get through in that much of a hurry. Trying to 'help' them by moving your vehicle, more often than not actually impedes them. Hence, driving laws state that you should stop for an emergency vehicles.

My point being.. if you wanted to let him through, slowing down and letting him pass would have been the better option, rather than breaking the speed limit, however good your intentions were. It doesn't sound from your description that he had toplights or siren on.. why did you feel compelled to get out of his way?

Anyway.. I'm sorry you got a costly ticket. That always sucks, no matter the reason.

[Back]

Too bad you don't have FOP stuff, bwahahaha!

Fraternal Order of Police? So I'm not the only one who thought having one of those stickers would get you some leniency.

[Daniel]

Kinda reminds me of people that get upset when they get in an accident in an intersection because they moved out into the intersection to let an official/emergency vehicle through. Emergency vehicles will drive on the wrong side of the road, on the sidewalk, grass... whatever it takes, if they need to get through in that much of a hurry. Trying to 'help' them by moving your vehicle, more often than not actually impedes them. Hence, driving laws state that you should stop for an emergency vehicles.

My point being.. if you wanted to let him through, slowing down and letting him pass would have been the better option, rather than breaking the speed limit, however good your intentions were. It doesn't sound from your description that he had toplights or siren on.. why did you feel compelled to get out of his way?

Anyway.. I'm sorry you got a costly ticket. That always sucks, no matter the reason.


Please Stfu

[Jennaen]

Please Stfu

Kiss my lily white arse. :)

[Ebondale]

Quickly speeding up to get out of the way of a police officer that doesn't look like they are in a hurry could look like you were trying to avoid them. For all the cop knew you were driving a stolen car, driving on a suspended license, or any number of other things. They probably pulled you over for the small infraction because they were looking for something bigger.

[Stunseed]

< For all the cop knew you were driving a stolen car, driving on a suspended license, or any number of other things. They probably pulled you over for the small infraction because they were looking for something bigger. >

A suspended license I could understand, but with my 12 year old son in the passenger seat? I think it was simply bogus, and I guess I'm glad I get to pay this fuck's salary. I explained my actions to the officer, in a calm manner, but to no avail. Ah well.

[Ebondale]

Don't get me wrong. I firmly stand by my 'fuck the police' stance.

I'm merely presenting possible scenarios that could be going through the cop's mind as he pulled you over for something that was not only a waste of your time but a waste of his as well. Cops aren't smart, though. If they were smart then they would be FBI or ATF. ;)

[Hulkein]

Fraternal Order of Police? So I'm not the only one who thought having one of those stickers would get you some leniency.

I have an FOP shield above my inspection stickers (2005, gotta get a new one) and some FOP cards filled out for me by my cousin who is a state trooper.

I don't know for sure if that's why I either don't get ticketed or just get warnings with no fines for parking illegally (I do it kind of often), but I'm pretty sure it's the reason compared to how I used to get ticketed pre-sticker.

Haven't been pulled over for anything serious enough to pull out the card, just once for making an illegal turn. I didn't think it was worth using it for that but still only got a warning. Maybe the shield helped, I dunno.

[Ebondale]

Exactly what is the FOP? Some kind of charity you make donations to for the families of cops killed in the line of duty?

[Stunseed]

Yes. I have a plat sticker ( highest donation ), I just hadn't put it on the Jeep yet.

[Hulkein]

Yeah, they do some fundraising, but it started and still is mainly a type of union for cops.

The one I have isn't from donations, just from family who are cops. I'll start donating though once I actually have money with a full-time job, heh.

[Ebondale]

Yes. I have a plat sticker ( highest donation ), I just hadn't put it on the Jeep yet.

Oh man, ain't that a bitch? :(

[Stunseed]

I got it....yesterday.

[peam]

I'll throw out a 'Fuck Tha Police' too.

Pulled over yesterday by a motorcycle cop.

Approaches the van.

"Do you know what the speed limit is and how fast you were going?"

"Um.. 65.. 70ish."

"It's 55 and you approached me doing 74."

"Ok."

He proceeds to take my shit back to the car and come back with the ticket.

"Here's your ticket. 75 in a 55. Reckless driving."

"WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!"

I proceed to inform him that he originally stated I was going 74. He then showed me his sweet laser gun that had a speed of 75 on it.

Not so much I care about speeding tickets. I kind of think of them as a speeding tax, but to pull that ol' bait and switch on me was fucked up. Not to mention it was a company van.

I think I'm going to pull the ol' speedometer trick. If that won't work, my boss is getting a letter from a funeral home stating that I was responding to an emergency call.

In closing, that cop was an asshole.

[Warriorbird]

Only sticker that actually makes a difference is blue line ones.

My most recent ticket was a stupid 8 mph one too.

[Wezas]

Peam, the more I think about it, I'm thinking the cop tagged you at 75, and was going to cut you a break and just give you speeding (to do so would require him to write down 74, out of Wreckless range), but maybe he sensed a bit of attitude or something and gave you the actual speed you were going.

[Sean of the Thread]

Peam, the more I think about it, I'm thinking the cop tagged you at 75, and was going to cut you a break and just give you speeding (to do so would require him to write down 74, out of Wreckless range), but maybe he sensed a bit of attitude or something and gave you the actual speed you were going.


Regardless that sucka broke the LAW! And my impression is he had an attitude. Maybe I got that impression because when I asked him if he was all Yes Sir/No Sir he responded "fuck that shit" and "I went off on him".

[xtc]

They tried that Fraternal Order of the Police sticker for donations bullshit here but it didn't fly. There were many complaints of preferential treatment because of the stickers so they were forced to stop giving them out. Some cops are cool, some are assholes. Up here knowing your rights goes a long way.

The tailgating thing is an old trick don't fall for it. Unless a cop has his lights on I make no attempt to get out of his/her way. I do make sure I am observing the letter of the law.

[peam]

As if ANYONE would uphold their status of ass-kissery after he pulled that switcheroo. Plus, I've learned that once the ticket has been written, it's not going to go away, so why would I bother showing him respect he hasn't earned?



Regardless that sucka broke the LAW! And my impression is he had an attitude. Maybe I got that impression because when I asked him if he was all Yes Sir/No Sir he responded "fuck that shit" and "I went off on him".

[Sean of the Thread]

They tried that Fraternal Order of the Police sticker for donations bullshit here but it didn't fly. There were many complaints of preferential treatment because of the stickers so they were forced to stop giving them out. Some cops are cool, some are assholes. Up here knowing your rights goes a long way.

The tailgating thing is an old trick don't fall for it. Unless a cop has his lights on I make no attempt to get out of his/her way. I do make sure I am observing the letter of the law.

Man I'm sure there are both sides of the spectrum but for the most part cops in Toronto are fascist assholes.

[xtc]

Man I'm sure there are both sides of the spectrum but for the most part cops in Toronto are fascist assholes.

Wow, my experiences with Toronto cops has always been better than with NY cops or Cali cops. I don't think I have ever had a run in with Fla cops to compare. Yeah we have some facists but what force doesn't.

[Brattt8525]

As if ANYONE would uphold their status of ass-kissery after he pulled that switcheroo. Plus, I've learned that once the ticket has been written, it's not going to go away, so why would I bother showing him respect he hasn't earned?

Who was the one saying ummm ya officer I was going 65-70ish? I think that is a rather large window you tossed at him.

As far as your respect comment someone going 19-20 miles OVER the speed limit shouldn't be requiring the cop to earn your respect.

[peam]

Have you ever driven on an interstate highway in or around a major city?


Who was the one saying ummm ya officer I was going 65-70ish? I think that is a rather large window you tossed at him.

As far as your respect comment someone going 19-20 miles OVER the speed limit shouldn't be requiring the cop to earn your respect.

[Brattt8525]

Have you ever driven on an interstate highway in or around a major city?

Yes I drive many major highways seeing as I live in Dallas. I do 5 over the speed limit which has never garnered me a ticket. If you want to speed that is fine but don't get the fuck cops attitude because you get caught how often compared to the amount you <collective> choose to speed.

[Artha]

80 on 95 ftw.

[Wezas]

Yes I drive many major highways seeing as I live in Dallas. I do 5 over the speed limit which has never garnered me a ticket. If you want to speed that is fine but don't get the fuck cops attitude because you get caught how often compared to the amount you <collective> choose to speed.

No offense, but you'd be run off the road if you do under 10 miles over the limit on any interstates here. I'd say the average is just under 70 in a 55. And that's just flowing with traffic.

[Latrinsorm]

I had people passing me on the right when I was doing 65 in a 55 in the middle lane of I87 (possibly I84) today. I've only been to the South once, but it was *way* worse than that.

[Brattt8525]

No offense, but you'd be run off the road if you do under 10 miles over the limit on any interstates here. I'd say the average is just under 70 in a 55. And that's just flowing with traffic.

Actually here in the metroplex there are too many accidents to get going that fast! This area has got to be the worst for traffic jams, normally you know when the highways are going to be backed up but not in Dallas unless you want to dirve in the middle of the night that is.

[SpunGirl]

I had a friend who was pulled over for driving 5mph under in Southern California. The cop told her she was dangerous and if she couldn't keep up, to take surface streets. He was right.

Everyone that has DRIVEN has a story about how a cop was rude to them at one time or another. I love how people who get a ticket or are pulled over are like "omg fuck cops what a bunch of shitheads." I know plenty of cops who are not shitheads. Like any profession, there are great ones and moronic ones. Having no less than seven family members and five friends that are police officers, I take exception to characterizing the entire bunch of them as idiots because someone was ticketed, either fairly or unfairly.

-K

[DeV]

No offense, but you'd be run off the road if you do under 10 miles over the limit on any interstates here. I'd say the average is just under 70 in a 55. And that's just flowing with traffic.Same in my state and that's nothing compared to states with posted speed limits of 60 and above.

[Artha]

I think they should eliminate speed limits all together and introduce minimum speeds. Then they wouldn't be able to ticket people, though, so it'll never happen :(

[Moist Happenings]

I'm driving my son back from his friend's house this afternoon. A cop does a U-turn and gets behind me. At this point, the speed limit is 55, which I am doing slightly less. A quarter mile later, the speed limit drops to 45 miles per hour. I am in the left lane, a car going 50-ish is in the right, and the cop is slowing gaining on the car in the right lane. I accelerate to 56 mph to get past the car going 50-ish, and move into the slow ( right ) lane. I am then pulled over for allowing the cop to pass us both.

Being nice just cost me a day's worth of work, of $155.50.

Fuck cops.

God forbid you do anything but drive 5 miles under the limit while sitting directly next to the car in the other lane doing exactly the same like everybody else in this state.

Florida cops can suck my nuts.

[Moist Happenings]

I think they should eliminate speed limits all together and introduce minimum speeds. Then they wouldn't be able to ticket people, though, so it'll never happen :(

It's a nice thought, and I think that the majority of people would be able to handle it(okay maybe half..maybe), but the truth is, if we pass laws to give fewer tickets, taxes will go up because the main reason these days FOR tickets is not to police the roads and have everyone drive safely. It's to make money.

Speed traps, for instance. I've known a cop to sit in one spot for 8 hours where the speed limit changes from 45 to 35, and stop anyone going at least 5 miles an hour over the limit at that point, whether they're slowing down or not.

There's nothing unsafe about decelerating at a gradual rate. In fact, it's probably more hazardous to slam on the breaks as soon as you see the sign saying that you're entering town.

Also, most police departments(in jersey, anyhow) will deny up and down that there are any sort of ticket "quotas" to be met.

My father was a traffic cop for 23 years, and on his word, that's a downright lie.

So if every driver in Jersey was safe, and following the law to the best of their ability, the police departments would still make their very best effort to issue every single ticket that they're required to.

Cops suck.

[xtc]

I had a friend who was pulled over for driving 5mph under in Southern California. The cop told her she was dangerous and if she couldn't keep up, to take surface streets. He was right.

Everyone that has DRIVEN has a story about how a cop was rude to them at one time or another. I love how people who get a ticket or are pulled over are like "omg fuck cops what a bunch of shitheads." I know plenty of cops who are not shitheads. Like any profession, there are great ones and moronic ones. Having no less than seven family members and five friends that are police officers, I take exception to characterizing the entire bunch of them as idiots because someone was ticketed, either fairly or unfairly.

-K

It isn't just the ticket, the law needs to be exercised with discretion, if you bust the balls of your average citizen on a daily basis, it is no wonder they aren't stepping forward when you need them most. Robert Peel understood this, respect from the public is very important. Respect doesn't come from the end of a baton stick either.

Most of the Police I have come across are pricks. If I have broken the law, issue me a ticket in an orderly and professional fashion. Screaming and using profanity doesn't garner respect. My main problem is the abuse of power by cops. I have many friends who are lawyers and I meet them at the court house on occasion for a coffee. I have heard cops sitting down planning their perjury in cases when they lacked probable cause for their searches and didn't have a warrant. It is sickening. In Toronto we had cops working off gambling debts, owed to the mob, by collecting protection money from legitimate businesses for the mob. The same cops also ran plate numbers for the mob of undercover cops which ruined an entire sting operation and put an undercover cops life in jeopardy. Another time there was a ring of cops who hassled prostitutes, and threaten to run them in, if they didn't get freebees. Funny enough it was the transvestite prostitutes the cops liked the most. Sometimes it is the small things that piss me off, like when they put on the sirens, to run a red light just because they don't want to wait.

If the cops want respect they need to improve. We need to change the way we handle policing, hiring meatheads who barely got through high school and paying them $70K per year needs to end.

[Alfster]

If the cops want respect they need to improve. We need to change the way we handle policing, hiring meatheads who barely got through high school and paying them $70K per year needs to end.

You're a cop?

[Warriorbird]

Isn't that like 20 grand a year in US dollars?

:whistles:

[Ebondale]

If the cops want respect they need to improve. We need to change the way we handle policing, hiring meatheads who barely got through high school and paying them $70K per year needs to end.

If the cops were more educated then they would be FBI Agents. I don't know if there is any better way of screening police officers than the systems that are currently in place. Maybe a more in-depth psyche screening.

[Moist Happenings]

Actually, the cop screening process, at least up north, has gotten a lot better in the last 30 years. My father became a cop right out of high school. No experience required. Now you need to get all sorts of certifications and degrees and pass all manner of tests and such.

[Hulkein]

Believe it or not, there are good cops who don't want to be in the FBI...

[crazymage]

Everyone bitches about the police until they need them.

[Alfster]

BLANKET STATEMENT

[Latrinsorm]

Now you need to get all sorts of certifications and degrees and pass all manner of tests and such.Are you a fascist pig? (circle one)
a) yes
b) no
c) the duodenem!

edit:p.s.: I <3 police, and I pray for the day we don't need them anymore.

[Moist Happenings]

Are you a fascist pig? (circle one)
a) yes
b) no
c) the duodenem!

edit:p.s.: I <3 police, and I pray for the day we don't need them anymore.

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[Sean of the Thread]

Wow, my experiences with Toronto cops has always been better than with NY cops or Cali cops. I don't think I have ever had a run in with Fla cops to compare. Yeah we have some facists but what force doesn't.


I've visited Toronto 20+ times over a relatively short period of time and have had multiple collisions with extreme asshole cops. I wasn't trying to start a Toronto vs FL cop debate as that wasn't the point. I lived in Rochester for most of my life and thus my experiences in Canada.

Anyways one particular instance out of the 5 or so really sticks out in my memory. We usually stayed in the Royal York and would walk around the area.. this cop was literally busting on some guy for parking in front of the train station. By busting I mean he was hitting him and pushing him around. I just stood in disbelief and watched from accross the street. He then noticed me and my fiance and started yelling "Quit GAWKING START WALKING!!" while pointing a stick of some sort at us.

We didn't move far down the road when another dick came up to us and started to bust our balls for the earlier instance and was interested in "How much drugs are carrying on your person".. anyways..

That must have been one/two of the facists on that trip.

[Alfster]

We didn't move far down the road when another dick came up to us and started to bust our balls for the earlier instance and was interested in "How much drugs are carrying on your person".. anyways..
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Probably the worst question I've ever had the misfortune of answering honestly.

[xtc]

You're a cop?

You didn't even approach funny. Mr. what is a blackberry.

[xtc]

I've visited Toronto 20+ times over a relatively short period of time and have had multiple collisions with extreme asshole cops. I wasn't trying to start a Toronto vs FL cop debate as that wasn't the point. I lived in Rochester for most of my life and thus my experiences in Canada.

Anyways one particular instance out of the 5 or so really sticks out in my memory. We usually stayed in the Royal York and would walk around the area.. this cop was literally busting on some guy for parking in front of the train station. By busting I mean he was hitting him and pushing him around. I just stood in disbelief and watched from accross the street. He then noticed me and my fiance and started yelling "Quit GAWKING START WALKING!!" while pointing a stick of some sort at us.

We didn't move far down the road when another dick came up to us and started to bust our balls for the earlier instance and was interested in "How much drugs are carrying on your person".. anyways..

That must have been one/two of the facists on that trip.

I wasn't trying to start a debate either. I simply mentioned FLA cops because I guessed that is what you would be accustom to and I assumed it would be the standard that you would compare other cops to, as I compare other forces to the Toronto cops.

They still beat the crap out of people up here, they just do it more discreetly and out of the public eye. What you witnessed certainly speaks to arrogance and corruption in the Toronto police force. I can't say I have seen a cop beat someone, for nothing, in public as you did. Certainly we have had our problems up here as one of my posts detailed.

[Marl]

Me and cops have a simple relationship. They pull me over, give me a ticket, I pay it and go about my buisness. Worst one was a 90+ in a 45 which got dropped to a lower rate of speed so I wouldnt go to jail but, it still pushed me up to 24 points in a state where you can only get 15 before they take your lisence for a few days (until you take a driving class), and shove a bunch of money towards them. In most times cops are trying to do their job....Yea they are annoying when they start searching and pulling over for lane changes etc. but they are needed. As for the $70k a year they make....that is only in large cities with high crime rates in my city which is a suburb of Atlanta the city and county cops start at $22.5k a year and that doesnt go up very fast. Also if ya drive the speed limit here you WILL get ran over or cause a wreck. Average speed limit = 60 Average speed(non rush hour) = 85 Study done by GaDOT on interstate speeds. I learned that in my driving class heh.

[SpunGirl]

Xtc, I'd really like to know what area of the US is paying patrol officers 70k/year. I agree all the instances you've cited of police corruption and dishonesty are disgusting. It's too bad that you hear about those things more often than the everyday good deeds that public servants do - but that's the way the news works.

I stand by what I said before - this blanket "fuck the cops" attitude is bullshit. As far as them being uneducated, that's the fault of the particular department they work for. Flagstaff PD requires anyone applying for a promotion of Lieutenant to have a Bachelor's, and anyone who wants to be a Captain or higher has to have a Master's. My father, who retired as a Deputy Chief just the other week, has a Master in Criminal Science. He also attended hundreds of trainings throughout his career, including the FBI National Academy (this is something special they do as education for cops, if you've never heard of it, it's an awesome program, and you have to be invited to attend).

To be honest, I'm really surprised at how shortsighted some people can be about police work in general. No, they don't gain anything from harassing Joe Schmo citizen, but not all of them DO that. And as far as the assertion that traffic/speed control isn't a worthy pursuit of time, please tell that to someone whose entire family has been wasted on I-40 or I-15 by some shithead going 110 and smashing into their car.

-K

[Latrinsorm]

To be honest, I'm really surprised at how shortsighted some people can be about police work in general.Oh yah wlel FUK COPS LOL!!

p.s.: :heart:

[Divinity]

Cops in Oregon BLOW. Seriously.

Ok, so I was walking out of the mall into the parking lot to get to my car. It wasn't like I was in the middle of the road or anything like that, I walk behind the parked cars on the side. Most people do. Anyways.. this chick starts backing up right into me. I try to move out of the way and she's going faster and hits me, I was stunned more than anything. I've never been hit by a car before, and stupid me no thinking, my first reaction was pushing the car. Heh.

So yeah, I fall over and I crawl out of the way, get up and run over to the driver side window. I start banging on it and she rolls it partially down and I'm screaming, "You just fucking hit me! Are you even WATCHING your rear view mirror?!" She's like, "I'm sorry? What do you want me to do?!" Then she speeds off. Not even seeing if I'm okay or anything. I was too stunned that I didn't get her license plate number or anything.

So I go back into the mall and tell my friend what happened. She calls mall security and they tell her I have to go over there. So I go over there and they give me their card of whatever after I tell them what happened and the description of the vehicle.

So I call the Hillsboro police who tell me to call the Tigard police since that's where the mall technically is. So I do that, and I tell the operator what happened. She tells me that there is nothing they can do since I didn't get the license plate # and gives me a policy number to give to my insurance company. I'm thinking.. "Wtf.."

So I call back and speak with another operator. I tell her what happened and I'm like, "Do you usually let people just get hit by a car and there's NOTHING you can do about it?" Apparently the operator before her wasn't paying attention or something and put that a car hit my car. *Stares* So she opens the call, puts what happened and has a police officer call me.

So the police officer gets ahold of me and asks me what I want him to do. I tell him that the mall security has video of it happening and the license plate number. He's like, "I guess I can do that, but then what do you want me to do after that? You weren't hurt, she apologized." I'm at home at this point and I just sit down after going back and forth in an argument with this officer about his job, what I believe is expected of him and his lack of interest in the whole thing.

So in the end, the policeman never called me back. I don't even know if he bothered to go to mall security to get the video tape with the evidence on there. Apparently the mall is private property, or so says this policeman that I argued with for over an hour. I was so frustrated by the end of it. Aren't we suppost to go to the police when someone breaks the law?

Whelp, if you ever want to kill someone, just run them over in a mall parking lot.

[Merji]

Kinda reminds me of people that get upset when they get in an accident in an intersection because they moved out into the intersection to let an official/emergency vehicle through. Emergency vehicles will drive on the wrong side of the road, on the sidewalk, grass... whatever it takes, if they need to get through in that much of a hurry. Trying to 'help' them by moving your vehicle, more often than not actually impedes them. Hence, driving laws state that you should stop for an emergency vehicles.

My point being.. if you wanted to let him through, slowing down and letting him pass would have been the better option, rather than breaking the speed limit, however good your intentions were. It doesn't sound from your description that he had toplights or siren on.. why did you feel compelled to get out of his way?

Anyway.. I'm sorry you got a costly ticket. That always sucks, no matter the reason.


Tickets always stink! Being though that my husband is a Policeman, I have a hard time saying..Screw all Cops. Screw some cops ..sure. Oh, and of course I'll screw mine when I get a chance:yes:

However I am in agreement with Jenna here, most cops don't give anyone a ticket..who wasn't breaking the law.

Merji's Muse

[SpunGirl]

Oh yah wlel FUK COPS LOL!!

p.s.: :heart:

::shrugs::

Yeah, I've seen a whole community torn apart because a good cop who was doing his job was killed by some piece of filth kid who thought it would be funny. I held hands with his widow at the funeral and hugged his two year old son. I cried again with his widow when she found out she was five weeks pregnant after the funeral.

I watched my Dad cry because of the loss of his officer, and most people will say that watching their fathers cry just sucks all on its own. The additude that all cops are teh sux and that they should all be disrespected because some of them suck needs to go. I get that you're trying to lighten it up, but to me it's just not funny. I've got 12 friends and family members who put 110% into their jobs to be GOOD cops, and to see them all labeled as fuckers because a few of them suck is shitty.

-K

PS I've got a cousin (adopted) whose grandmother was raped by an American soldier in Vietnam. All Armed Services personnel who fought in Vietnam are filthy bastards, rapists and pigs. OMG PPS I hope no one here has a decent relative that fought in that war.

[CrystalTears]

Hey, my soon-to-be father-in-law fought in Vietnam! He's the sweetest man ever! :)

I can understand being frustrated with the cops for giving tickets, but I never understood the mentality of blaming the cops and insulting them for giving tickets out for breaking the law. Hey, you broke the law, pay for it and quick laying blame on the guy who is just doing his job. Sure there are jerks out there, but there are jerks in every line of work.

"OMG I went 20 miles over the speed limit and he gave me a ticket! What an asshole! I should fight this!" Fight what? You fucked up and got caught. Pay your dues and quit being a nancy about it.

By the way, you may not respect the men in the uniforms, but respect the position they are in, and the fact that they hold the nightstick, the gun and the tickets that can make your life insufferable. Say yes sir, no sir, do what they tell you, be nice and THEN afterwards fight back if they were in the wrong. Being a dick to a cop is just stupid.

[Stunseed]

< However I am in agreement with Jenna here, most cops don't give anyone a ticket..who wasn't breaking the law. >

If I were to have been speeding at a constant basis, I would have no arguement to this idea. I accelerated as to allow a police officer to pass, often times I consider this a polite action to those who hold some sort of authority over the common man. To me, this ticket is akin to being held for contempt of court because I say "Yes, your Honor" to a judge when he wasn't seated yet. I call bullshit to the idea, and yes I lose according to law, and I've already paid this police officer's bills for a day, because there is no sense in me going to court over it.

[Warriorbird]

I thought he meant Toronto cops, in which case 70 grand is like 35 grand.

[xtc]

Xtc, I'd really like to know what area of the US is paying patrol officers 70k/year. I agree all the instances you've cited of police corruption and dishonesty are disgusting. It's too bad that you hear about those things more often than the everyday good deeds that public servants do - but that's the way the news works.

I stand by what I said before - this blanket "fuck the cops" attitude is bullshit. As far as them being uneducated, that's the fault of the particular department they work for. Flagstaff PD requires anyone applying for a promotion of Lieutenant to have a Bachelor's, and anyone who wants to be a Captain or higher has to have a Master's. My father, who retired as a Deputy Chief just the other week, has a Master in Criminal Science. He also attended hundreds of trainings throughout his career, including the FBI National Academy (this is something special they do as education for cops, if you've never heard of it, it's an awesome program, and you have to be invited to attend).

To be honest, I'm really surprised at how shortsighted some people can be about police work in general. No, they don't gain anything from harassing Joe Schmo citizen, but not all of them DO that. And as far as the assertion that traffic/speed control isn't a worthy pursuit of time, please tell that to someone whose entire family has been wasted on I-40 or I-15 by some shithead going 110 and smashing into their car.

-K


Toronto Police pays a 1st Class Constable $70k per year. Qualifications needed Grade 12 to become a cop and 3 years experience to become a first class constable. I can't think of many professions that give you the kind of power that a cop has with only a grade 12 education required.

I haven't met many police officers who have a Bachelor's degree never mind a Master's. Your father is unique, however Flagstaff only requires a High School diploma and to pass their test to be hired as a cop.

Regarding speed to bust some for doing a few kilometres or miles over the speed limit is b.s. The important thing is the flow of traffic, if they are going around the speed of the flow of traffic than there isn't a problem. The University of Toronto has done extensive studies on speed and concluded that speed doesn't cause accidents but disparities in speed do i.e. if someone is going 80 km and someone else on the same road is going 120km. University of Toronto has made many recommendations to our Government to increase the speed limit on provincial highways. The cops are always against it claiming "speed kills", of course we know from the extensive studies this is b.s. The cops want to be able to hand out their tickets and the Government, who asked for the studies to start with, never raise the speed limit so they can make money off the tickets.

My problem is that many/most parking/speeding tickets are based on increasing municipal and provincial revenues not on traffic management and public safety. Many communities couldn't survive without the revenue tickets bring because the local bureaucrats don't know how to manage a dollar.

Every other day there is a story in the paper about corrupt cops. The head of the Police Union in Toronto was accused of beating the crap out of some poor guy. He avoided all criminal prosecution, denied ever being at the scene of the accident, yet settled a civil suit in the case. The settlement contained a gag clause preventing the parties from discussing the amount of the settlement or the evidence. Well thanks to some well placed contacts I know the facts. He settled the case for $250, 000 and his DNA was found on the victim and at the scene of the beating. The victim's blood was found on the cop's clothes. Yet no criminal prosecution. So your father maybe the exception but in my book the lot are crooked at least in Toronto.

[Satira]

Did you actually look up Flagstaff police entry requirements just for this post?

PS What part of "just retired as Deputy Chief" is confusing to you?

[xtc]

I thought he meant Toronto cops, in which case 70 grand is like 35 grand.

Around 61 Grand at today's rates.

[Warriorbird]

I say...Blame Canada!

:P

[Sean]

Apparently you missed Rowi's I can shut down the universe dock workers union lecture XTC. HE HAS THE POWER.

Honestly most of the times I've been stopped i never got a ticket or I got a ticket so downgraded it wasn't worth complaining about. When I got my speeding ticket over new years (my 1st) I honestly wasn't upset. I speed enough that when I finally got stoppd for it I was just like.. well I knew it would happen eventually and I enjoyed the rest of my new years.

[xtc]

Did you actually look up Flagstaff police entry requirements just for this post?

Slow day today. I had to leave work early because I had some workman coming by my house today to do some work.

[xtc]

I say...Blame Canada!

:P

You're looking to become Pat Robertson's or Pat Buchannan's speech writer aren't you?

[SpunGirl]

No. He retired two weeks ago because my mother was just hired as their new communcations director:) The job will probably go to Brent Cooper, who is the next Deputy Chief in line. Flagstaff has a strong Community Policing policy in place, and I don't think the residents would enjoy seeing someone brought in from the outside.

-K

[SpunGirl]

PS I'm getting slightly irritated that the point is being ignored. Maybe the original poster can answer this - what part of "some cops suck" equates to "fuck cops, fuck all cops," or "all cops suck?"

Retarded.

-K

[Stunseed]

I guess original poster would be me. I pay my taxes like any other American, and I have the right to voice my opinion. In this case, if you would like, I'd rather say some Florida cops suck, as to not rile you.

< PS I'm getting slightly irritated that the point is being ignored. >

The title of this thread is of an unappreciation. Perhaps if you wanted, you could make an appreciation thread and point all the gumdrop goody things that have occured with police officers.

< Retarded. >

Yes, my speeding ticket for having a genuine respect for the law is retarded.

[SpunGirl]

I guess original poster would be me. I pay my taxes like any other American, and I have the right to voice my opinion. In this case, if you would like, I'd rather say some Florida cops suck, as to not rile you.


That's the crux of it. Too bad you were treated unfairly by one, don't shit on all of them.

The rest of your post was ignored.

-K

[Stunseed]

Of course you'd ignore the part where I responded directly to your post. You asked for me to respond, so it only makes sense that your "General Statement Infraction" be the only thing you pay attention to. So hey, we'll do it again, just for fun!

< PS I'm getting slightly irritated that the point is being ignored. >

The point of this entire thread is the fact I gave respect to a person of the law, and whether or not other people agree with my generalized statement, you seem to not comprehend that I was shit on for that respect, and no less in front of my 12 year old son for showing an officer of the law some respect.

Let alone do I pay taxes to keep government agencies like the law enforcement in business, but I donate my own money to see them taken care of, like I would be taken care of myself. When they asked for my donation, did I ask them for my amp and 12's and CD player some punks stole out of my Jeep back? No, but maybe next year I will, since being nice and respectful does absolutely fucking nothing for me.

[Skirmisher]

The point of this entire thread is the fact I gave respect to a person of the law, and whether or not other people agree with my generalized statement, you seem to not comprehend that I was shit on for that respect, and no less in front of my 12 year old son for showing an officer of the law some respect.

You recieved a ticket.

I have no doubt you thought you were doing the right thing by trying to get out of his way but it's still only a ticket.

Dragging you out of the car, tazering you and then beating you about the head and shoulders would be shitting all over you in front of your son.

This is just a ticket though.

If you feel it is unjustified go to court and fight it, but I do not quite follow where the intense level of anger being conveyed is coming from.

[Jolena]

I think perhaps it stems from having this entire thing done in front of Casey, who is 12 and saw James being ticketed. It may not seem like a big deal to most, but we kind of take things like that more seriously I guess. It's embarassing and doesn't present the image that we want to with the kids.

[SpunGirl]

Stunseed, not once have I argued about the validity or non-validity of your ticket. Go back and read what I've had to say in this thread. My big objection is to the blanket stereotyping of ALL COPS because people have had bad experiences with INDIVIDUAL COPS. That's all that I ask, and I've posted several examples to back up my request. BFD.

Since you wanted to get into it, however, let's talk about FOP. They're a private organization, and many cops do not belong. Thinking that will get you "special" or even "above the norm" treatment is dumb, because all citizens deserve the same treatment with regards to officers. Doesn't always happen, but in theory that's the way it should be. Next time FOP calls you asking for a donation, ask THEM what percentage of your donation goes directly into the hands of the company that is paid to make the calls in the first place.

If you really feel that you have a complaint (and you clearly do), then DO SOMETHING about it. Sergeants and COs have no way of knowing that their officers are behaving like bastards unless they HEAR ABOUT IT. What a novel idea! Write a carefully worded letter to the Community Relations Dept. of the Department this cop was from. Maybe nothing will happen, but it's certainly more likely to garner results than this thread. Of course you have the right to speak your mind, but who ELSE might benefit from hearing about this situation?

Finally, I'm sure you understand that life doesn't always go how you would like it to. That itself can be a valuable lesson to your son, AS WELL AS teaching him how to constructively deal with a situation where you feel you've been wronged.

-K

[Brattt8525]

>>I can't think of many professions that give you the kind of power that a cop has with only a grade 12 education required.<<<

My cousin is a LT in St Cathrines Ontario and he had to have more then just a 12th grade education to GET on the force to begin with. I am not sure how many college credits he had to have but he had to have a certain amount.

[peam]

Get off the fucking cross.

No one's saying that all cops are bad/assholes/douchebags/bad Americans.

Stunseed got a ticket that he felt wasn't justified, so he posted a rant about it.

End of story.

[peam]

Here's a listing from the city of Richmond VA looking for police officer recruits:

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The City of Richmond Police is seeking highly qualified candidates who want a career in law enforcement. Successful candidates will join a “High Performance” police agency which is dedicated to making Richmond a World Class City.

Requirements include a high school diploma or GED. Candidates must be a U.S. citizen, possess a valid driver’s license, be at least 21 years of age, pass a written examination and physical agility screening test.
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No college is needed to become a police officer here, and as far as I know, the same can be said for most cities across the nation.

[SpunGirl]

No one's saying that all cops are bad/assholes/douchebags/bad Americans.






Fuck cops.




I hate cops.




Florida cops can suck my nuts.

Seems like a shitty characterization to me, and that's just the first page. Of course, all moderators on this board are uneducated moronic drains on society, if one judges them all simply by your presence! Yes, I object to blanket characterizations. Reading comprehension skills would be a good first step for you.

-K

[peam]

Reading comprehension, indeed.

If you'll read the rest of what was written in those posts, instead of taking just those clips, it's easy to tell that those were words written in the passion of the moment.

I'd wager that neither of those three posters look upon every police officer with contempt. Yet, it's probably easy for them to recollect an incidence with a police officer that invokes the feeling of disdain towards the profession.

Edit - I don't know what your personal vendetta against me is, but please feel free to direct any attacks my way via U2U rather than spouting slanderous garbage throughout viable threads.

[SpunGirl]

Actually, I read Stunseed's ENTIRE first post with interest. His last statement, "fuck cops," left me kind of bewildered. Why cops? Why not, "fuck that cop?"

Sure, heat of the moment, whateva. I'm not about to dissect someone's words to guess that they meant ONLY that person. The kind of attitude that holds disdain for an entire profession over the bad eggs is sad and unecessary.

Even more lamentable is the fact that Stun is annoyed about how his son sees this whole thing, IF he said the same kinds of things to him that he's posted here. That's the same thing as being robbed by a black guy and telling your kid, "all those black fuckers are a bunch of criminals." Knowing how those two care about their kids I can't imagine he said "fuck cops" in the car, but not everyone would be so careful.

How are kids supposed to reconcile the contradiction of an angry ticketed parent saying "fuck the cops" and the same parent telling them "call the cops" when something is wrong? That's just another reason this attitude is bullshit, and that's all I've been saying.

EDIT! Really, it was just an example, and you should have been able to tell that I said it in the heat of the moment. Much like your "fuck yourself kthx" which you so wisely chose to edit. Doh!

-K

[peam]

I seriously doubt that he, or any other responsible parent, would spout such rhetoric in front of their children.

This place is a venting area for many people, and in this case, I'm positive that's the way in which he was utilizing the boards.

[Moist Happenings]

The only police officer I look upon with contempt is my own father, and that's simply because my family gets much harsher judgement than the rest of the world in my eyes.

I'll give you one thing. Stereotyping and generalizations bother me greatly, and I probably could have worded it better. My thinking at the time of writing, however, was something along the lines of: "This is an internet forum. I'm going to throw grammar and proper wording to the wind, because i'm about to leave for work, and don't have time to put that much thought into things."

With that said, the one thing that bothers me more than stereotyping in this particular incident is tunnel vision. It seems to me that you read three quotes, and then regurgitated them with a blatant disregard for the rest of the content contained within the aforementioned posts. That's caused my opinion of you to drop a few points.

That's my two cents.

[SpunGirl]

Tunnel vision? I'm asking you to broaden your scope of who the good and bad guys are. If you say "fuck that cop," you're talking about the cop that pissed you off. If you say "fuck the cops, " you're talking about my family and my friends, who certainly don't deserve that kind of filth. The fact that you clarified your statement is good, the fact that you don't seem to get why it bothers me is sad. I don't know what kind of man your father is, but seeing my dad every single night for 18+ years after working his ass off trying to do the right thing tends to make me believe the best. And there's certainly nothing wrong with THAT - or with sharing MY reality regarding cops. This is the internet, so make all the blanket statements you want. I have, in the past. But don't get your panties all in a bunch when you're challenged on them.

-K

[Moist Happenings]

Like I said, my wording may have been poor at the time. On the same note though, in your response, you didn't ask for any sort of clarification. You did just what you're complaining about in that you lumped three quotes together and made a broad generalization about everyone posting in this thread. Not only that, but instead of seeking more information, you immediately went on the attack and insulted me.

I understand why it bothers you, but you also have to understand that simply because I didn't articulate my sentence to your liking doesn't give you the right to stereotype, or insult me. I could get mad at street signs that say "Slow children at play" that suggest that all the children that live on the street near that sign are retarded, but instead I can see past that and realize that "Slow, children at play" was what was meant. I reached this conclusion using common sense.

[SpunGirl]

I'm sorry, in what way did I insult you? I don't like the things you said, I don't think that's the same as saying "you're a piece of shit." And I'm sure anything I said that you fould insulting could be interpreted differently, so please don't attack me and tell me I have tunnel vision before asking for clarification. OMG! Kthx.

-K

[AnticorRifling]

I had several things written in response to post #83 but I've erased them for fear of hurting feelings. So many things that are so wrong on so many levels come to mind.

You're, in my opinion, are convoluted and need to step of your moral high horse. You can't seriously believe that what someone posts on a message board is the same thing(s) that they say in front of their kids. Take off your blinders and separate the internet from reality.

OMG he said fuck on the internet he R bad parent!!1one way to link that together inspector.

[Moist Happenings]

Reading comprehension skills would be a good first step for you.
-K

That's not an insult?

[SpunGirl]

That's not an insult?


That was directed at peam, not "everyone posting in this thread." I apologize that I did not articulate it to your liking, but wtg on the clarification and assumption thing.

-K

[SpunGirl]

OMG he said fuck on the internet he R bad parent!!1one way to link that together inspector.

Please read that I said I can't imagine he WOULD do that, but that I find the thought of that sentiment expressed around kids to be dangerous.

-K

[AnticorRifling]

I know who it was directed at, and it wasn't me, that doesn't negate me having an opinion. GG thinking everyone else can't post. It's still an insult even if it's not directed at whoever called it as being such.

-edit for engrish

[Moist Happenings]

I guess that means that you should understand now how words written in this forum can be misconstrued in some way shape or form. It's difficult not to take your posts as attacks though, when they're rife with sarcastic comments.

[SpunGirl]

Then I guess I should be doubly insulted at peam's "put down the cross" comment.

OMG I suck so hard for defending something I believe in against people who throw around words they don't ACTUALLY mean.

-K

[AnticorRifling]

OMG I suck so hard at defending something I believe in against people who throw around words they don't ACTUALLY mean.

-K


Fixed.


Try defending it properly. OMG helps your arguement...no really.

[Moist Happenings]

I've only got one thing left to say.

I hate anyone who opposed Hitler's nazi regime.

[Ebondale]

Fascist.

[Jolena]

I still can't believe this thread went to this level. It was a general statement, yes. But I can assure you that he did not say those things he said on these boards to our 12 year old, and I'm certainly glad that you wouldn't think that was the case. However, in the future you might want to make sure that there are no implications otherwise because that was quite the tricky comment you made.

As to the purpose of the thread, I don't think he expected to get anything done about that ticket by coming here to post. So, while I think that your advice as to what to do to fix it is solid and meant in a pleasant manner, it's not really relevent to why he posted in the first place. We both know the proper channels to take when dealing with tickets. This board can be just a venting ground for frustrations that we each feel about various things. I would wager that was his intentions all along.

That being said, damn. Can't we all just get along?! <insert my old crying smiley here. I MISS THE SMILEYS DAMNIT>

[Drew]

I haven't read the whole thread so this isn't in response to any paticular post but I've had many negative experiences with cops. I used to get pulled over ALL the time by myself or in conjuction with my friends because of the crime of driving a fast looking car at the speed limit (try to find the statue that says that is illegal). In the past 8 years I've gotten about 15 tickets and NEVER ONCE a speeding ticket. Why? Because speeding tickets are empirical and you can't just make up some bullshit careless driving ticket to fufill your quota and make the required amount of money for the station. One paticular time that sticks in my mind is when a friend of mine was visiting from Germany when I got pulled over for "reckless driving". The cop called EIGHT other cars and he stood there and cursed and screamed at me for thirty minutes. I was going 20 miles an hour but I was young, it was late at night and I had a car that looked fast. The cop car had a video camera in it and I filed a formal complaint (which they spent forever trying to convince me not to make formal) and then after getting the bueracratic run-around for months they finally informed me that the camera had a 'malfunction' and the tape was unrecoverable. Then they said it was my word against the cop. Well I had another person in the car let's call him. "He has to come in person." He's back in Germany. You delayed this 6 months so there is no chance he would still be here. "Tough luck."


I have two friends who are cops, but they basically confirm that 95% of cops are the way I see them. Cops are the kids who were trod upon in high school and love to hold the little amount of power they have now over other people's heads.

[Warriorbird]

:shrugs: I know people who've been pulled for "driving while black." While I hardly condemn all police officers I can certainly understand why some portion of the people of the country would. Sure, there's a lot of good cops in the world (my wife works with a number of conscientious decent people) but there's also a steady percentage that are into abuses of power... I daresay a larger percentage of people who do such things than most other professions.

[Daniel]

Did you actually look up Flagstaff police entry requirements just for this post?

PS What part of "just retired as Deputy Chief" is confusing to you?

No way someone call you on your bullshit!! ASSHOLE

[xtc]

No way someone call you on your bullshit!! ASSHOLE

huh?

[Hulkein]

He's making fun of Satira for trying to break your stones for doing research and calling someone on their bullshit.

[SpunGirl]

I don't think xtc was calling anyone on "bullshit." I stated requirements to advance, not apply. Learning to read rules.

-K

[Satira]

I'm pretty sure Daniel wasn't making fun of me. He was reiterating the awesomeness of the original post. The end.

[Skirmisher]

As if anyone would say Coley isn't awesome...

Pfft..

[SpunGirl]

Coley = teh pwnz. (Crazy Delicious House Feature Alterer)

-K

[Satira]

ROFL. HEEHAW

[Jolena]

I think people are just taking this whole thing too personally.

[Daniel]

I don't think xtc was calling anyone on "bullshit." I stated requirements to advance, not apply. Learning to read rules.

-K

Learning to argue is even better. Why the fuck would anyone care about what it takes to be a LT when we're talking about being pulled over and being given a bullshit ticket.

You purposefully tried to misrepresent the situation so that it appeared that the average police office needed a degree of some sort which is hardly the case.

P.s. I don't know who said what initially, but of course I didn't mean to imply that coley is not le shyt.