Olympic Mauling of Italy

[Skirmisher]

Yeesh, I have to wonder what it is making the Canadian Womens Hockey Team keep pressing on the clearly outclassed Italian team.

The score was 15 - 0 and they just scored again making it sixteen to nothing.

The Italians have something like 6 players under the age of 18, have like 5 womens teams in the entire country and are just no threat whatsoever so why grind them into nothing and embarass them like that?

Heck at 9 - 0 they could have pulled back some and still made their superiority obvious, but they have scored more goals in the third period than the first or second.

That is difficult to justify to me.

[Brattt8525]

Just because you outclass the other team is no reason to have to limit yourself and not score as much as possible. To do anything less then what they are doing would be silly, are you really saying let the other team off easy and don't score so much?

[Drew]

It's called class.

[CrystalTears]

...

We're talking about sports right? The Olympics?

Skirm, you've lost your mind. :D

[Drew]

In college football they generally pull out the starters in the third or fourth quarter of a huge blowout.

[Latrinsorm]

It's harder to ease off in hockey than in for instance football or basketball, but 16 goals is just too much.

[Wezas]

Redskins coach a while back again was blamed for running up the score when it was 45-0 or so in a pre-season game.

Drew is correct though. In that case the more classy move to do would be to put in your backup players to give them some ice time and to make sure you don't hurt your starters by showing off.

[Sean of the Thread]

Plain and simple they are doing what they are trained to do. It is the other teams job to train enough to stop them. Don't forget that the Candians hated Mussolini AND they have a distaste for brick oven pizza!

[Sean of the Thread]

In college football they generally pull out the starters in the third or fourth quarter of a huge blowout.


Unless "they" = Steve Spurrier AKA BALL COACH11!

[Latrinsorm]

Drew is correct though. In that case the more classy move to do would be to put in your backup players to give them some ice time and to make sure you don't hurt your starters by showing off.Hockey works by cycling through all the players anyway.

[Skirmisher]

Just because you outclass the other team is no reason to have to limit yourself and not score as much as possible. To do anything less then what they are doing would be silly, are you really saying let the other team off easy and don't score so much?

6-0 or 8-0 would have been a severe trouncing. It would have shown that the other team never had a chance without a needless SEVEN more goals being scored in the third period while holding Italy to zero shots on goal is all.

It IS in fact called class and while I know the Canadian Team has it, they did not display it much this day in my eyes when after delivering such a whipping the response to questions about the score recieved this kind of response.
""We expected Italy to be weak but we're not going to apologize for winning," Wickenheiser said."

Yeesh, kick them around for three periods and not even be able to sow some sportsmanship and give them credit for trying but to instead call them weak.

it just does not seem to ring true to the spirit of the games as I see it.

[Numbers]

Canadians have a thing with hockey...

In fact, it's their ONLY thing, since the country's not known for anything else except syrup and snow.

[Latrinsorm]

Ahem.

WickenHEISER? More like WickenHOSER!!!!

That is all.

[Tisket]

Seems most olympians have trained for years for what might possibly be a one shot opportunity to shine. Can't blame them for wanting to do just that.

[Numbers]

Eh, after rethinking it, I can't begrudge Canada too much for what they did.

Remember the original Dream Team in '92 Barcelona? They didn't exactly hold back that much, either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Team_(basketball)#Results_at_the_1992_Olympi cs_in_Barcelona

Of course, hockey is very different from basketball. A 5 to 10 point lead in hockey is practically insurmountable, so they probably could have slowed down a bit and focused more on defense.

[Skirmisher]

I guess I would differ on what it means "to shine" then.

[Tisket]

I guess I would differ on what it means "to shine" then.

I suppose if this were a regular game they could be accused of overdoing it. I just can't find it in me to blame them for wanting to do their absolute best regardless of the scoreboard however. Olympics don't come around often for the individual players is all. I also doubt the other team would slow down if they were the winning team...

[Alfster]

Hockey works by cycling through all the players anyway.


That was my first thought as well.

Backups play all the time in hockey

[Ebondale]

Just because you outclass the other team is no reason to have to limit yourself and not score as much as possible. To do anything less then what they are doing would be silly, are you really saying let the other team off easy and don't score so much?

I agree.

These athletes are there to represent their countries. If this were back in say... 1984... and it was the USA hockey team against the USSR hockey team... do you think that either team would have slowed their pace down if they scored 16 unanswered goals against the other team?

Of course not. Its the Olympics! :) If you can make your team and your country look amazing then go for it, you've been training your entire life for it.

[Skirmisher]

It's called dumping the puck at least some of the time instead of chasing full steam and forechecking all the time.

I may not have been on a real team, but i enjoyed playing sports enough in high school to play on an intramural team or two and am well aware there are plenty of ways to just ease up a bit beyond just playing more of the less offensive minded lines.

I acknowledge that this is a huge moment for many of these athletes but I stil lament the loss of the sportsmanship in the zeal to not only win but to crush the opponent.

[Ebondale]

The Olympics are different than any other sports competitions out there save for maybe the World Cup. The fans that are there are there to cheer for their countries, not for the teams. The teams are there to represent their countries.

Professional sports is all about money. If you can blow out an away team at home then go for it. The fans love to see their team stomp the competition on their home turf. The fans pay to see their team and they'd like to see their team win.

The athletes in the Olympics may get endorsements and things like that but by and large the Olympics aren't about money the same way that professional sports are. Just win. Win at all costs. Represent your country and make them look as good as you possibly can.

[AnticorRifling]

I'd blame Italy for wasting everyone's time by putting a team in that can't compete.

[Skirmisher]

I'd blame Italy for wasting everyone's time by putting a team in that can't compete.

It's their first time and they are trying to use this as a launching board to move them forward so as to have a better team next time. It is a young team, both figuratively and literally.

Everyone has to start somewhere.

And if I could take a moment to clarify, I'm not meaning to sound as if I am attacking Canada or their team as a whole but to say that though they played with tremendous skill I wish they had tempered their enthusiasm a bit in consideration of an obviously outclassed opponent.

[Brattt8525]

To the comment of class that is just laughable at best. The teams are there to win not babysit and handfeed a team who can't compete against them.

This is for your country, you do the best you can and hold nothing back in the process. I really for the life of me am amazed at anyone who thinks Canada should "hold" back for the poor team who can't measure up. I could care less if this is a starting point for them, how about the Canadian team who has devoted all the time etc to be as good as they are? It is insane to ask them to tone it down for the poor mucks who can't score.

[Ebondale]

And really. They're Canadians. They win hockey games by default. :)

*ducks!*

[AnticorRifling]

While I'm all for winning and beating the shit out of an opponent I can see the side of the argument that most are taking in this situation. The idea here is to win and win big sure, however it's not so important as to crush the spirit of the other team. In war hell yes grind them to dust, in sports trounce them solidly and call it good.

Sadly this is more than just a game, I wouldn't be suprised to see some sort of political reprocussion from destroying another country's team like that. It might be minor, it might be subtle but I can bet not showing alittle kindess in that situation will not be forgotten.

[Back]

What channel is it on?

[AnticorRifling]

White Entertainment Television

[Back]

Bullshit. There is an Ethiopian in the long-distance run.

[Back]

Damn. No SNL tonight. ::crie::

[Ebondale]

Bullshit. There is an Ethiopian in the long-distance run.

OMFG its fixed!!12three

[Latrinsorm]

To the comment of class that is just laughable at best. What a horrible thing to say when we're talking about the (f'in) Olympics.

[Alfster]

It's their first time and they are trying to use this as a launching board to move them forward so as to have a better team next time. It is a young team, both figuratively and literally.

Everyone has to start somewhere.


Heh, I don't think it's possible for them to have a worse team.

[Skirmisher]

Heh, I don't think it's possible for them to have a worse team.

You know very little.

[Sean of the Thread]

Canadians have a thing with hockey...

In fact, it's their ONLY thing, since the country's not known for anything else except syrup and snow.

They're are known for leading the world in being just north of teh US border...duh.

[Alfster]

You know very little.


I'm sorry, you're correct. Being beaten 16-0 shows that they're a struggling team that's just lacking at one position...right?

....But it's not their fault for sucking ballsack!!!!!!!! It's those damn Canadiens for beating them soooo bad!!!

How about, next time...they put a team that can compete and maybe they wont be stomped so badly. Or, they should have entered this team in the special olympics, but then again, it would be embarassing to lose to the retards.

[DeV]

Being beaten 16-0 sucks hardcore. I think it will push the younger, but still talented, Italians to work even harder for the next Winter Olympics. Yeah, they got blew the fuck out, but they'll get over it. As an athlete myself, I'd have to say they had some kind of idea they were going to be outmatched from the get go. They had to have studied the Canadians style of play long before meeting them on the ice that day. Either way its a lesson learned. The Canadians didn't show "sportsmanship" because they didn't feel they had to. They're sending a message to the other teams in a way and its intimidating. I actually like that shit. Why hold back? Politics shouldn't come into it at any point except the representation of one's country.

True sportsmanship should be displayed with the ability to shake hands with the other team, and walk away a winner or loser, knowing you gave 110% either way.

[Alfster]

Being beaten 16-0 sucks hardcore. I think it will push the younger, but still talented, Italians to work even harder for the next Winter Olympics. Yeah, they got blew the fuck out, but they'll get over it. As an athlete myself, I'd have to say they had some kind of idea they were going to be outmatched from the get go. They had to have studied the Canadians style of play long before meeting them on the ice that day. Either way its a lesson learned. The Canadians didn't show "sportsmanship" because they didn't feel they had to. They're sending a message to the other teams in a way and its intimidating. I actually like that shit. Why hold back? Politics shouldn't come into it at any point except the representation of one's country.

True sportsmanship should be displayed with the ability to shake hands with the other team, and walk away a winner or loser, knowing you gave 110% either way.

Agreed

[firegirl]

Does it not count towards the point tally towards the end of how many goals you get? Should they really calm down on their playing? The italians knew their team was not even gonna touch rankings and it was their first attempt at Hockey. In a few years, they will get stronger most likely, they just broke into the field of hockey this year.

Canada's team this year is pretty damn good this year. Look at the Can/Russia game.. 7-0 so far with 15 mins to go. They are playin tough and doing a good job.

..and at least they are bullying other teams other than the italians.

[Solkern]

pfft, NOTHING WRONG with running up the score, Shit, if i was there i'd do it too

part of the game

Show the rest of the world you aren't to be fucked with

[Skirmisher]

pfft, NOTHING WRONG with running up the score, Shit, if i was there i'd do it too

part of the game

Show the rest of the world you aren't to be fucked with


Yah...if you were there you could sure try.

You're not though mr tough guy.

[Skirmisher]

Being beaten 16-0 sucks hardcore. I think it will push the younger, but still talented, Italians to work even harder for the next Winter Olympics. Yeah, they got blew the fuck out, but they'll get over it. As an athlete myself, I'd have to say they had some kind of idea they were going to be outmatched from the get go. They had to have studied the Canadians style of play long before meeting them on the ice that day. Either way its a lesson learned. The Canadians didn't show "sportsmanship" because they didn't feel they had to. They're sending a message to the other teams in a way and its intimidating. I actually like that shit. Why hold back? Politics shouldn't come into it at any point except the representation of one's country.

True sportsmanship should be displayed with the ability to shake hands with the other team, and walk away a winner or loser, knowing you gave 110% either way.

I never said politics enetereed into it and agree it has no place.

I disagree about sportsmanship only needing to be displayed by shaking hands at the end and knowing you tried your best.

I see sportsmanship as more.

I see it as not calling the team, that spent the last three periods getting its ass kicked and still trying at least, weak afterwards.

I would hope the player that made that statement has had time to reconsider and make a different kind of statement instead or the only one looking weak in my eyes is her.

If however the goal differential does come into play as some sort of tiebreaker I will have to admit the running up of the score is understandable.

[Solkern]

Pfft, I play Football, and we run up the score all the time, why not, it's suppose to be fun, and last time i remember, scoring IS fun
Who the hell cares about the other team, I sure as hell don't They are suppose to be th ebest of the best from there country. obvisouly Canada is trying to tell them they need to practice more, or just do what the US does, and get people from other countries

[Skirmisher]

Pfft, I play Football, and we run up the score all the time, why not, it's suppose to be fun, and last time i remember, scoring IS fun
Who the hell cares about the other team, I sure as hell don't They are suppose to be th ebest of the best from there country. obvisouly Canada is trying to tell them they need to practice more, or just do what the US does, and get people from other countries


And that is unfortunate.

Not shocking but still unfortunate.

[Solkern]

What I ment by that, During the game, you don't care about the other team, you care about winning and making your country look good.

[Ebondale]

In case anyone wasn't watching the cross-country skiing event...

There was a crash right at the start of the race and a bunch of people got tangled up including the defending champion from the past Olympics. His team mates got to the front of the pack and slowed the pace of the event so that their team mate and former champion companion could get back to the front and he actually passed 70 skiiers on the way to the front and they let him.

Quite a display of sportsmanship...

[Ebondale]

Update: The defending champion came back to win a Silver medal after crashing in the beginning and being in last place. Good race!

[Alfster]

I see it as not calling the team, that spent the last three periods getting its ass kicked and still trying at least, weak afterwards.


I agree, we should have said "Italy's team is strong, and they came up just a tad bit short"

[Solkern]

I agree, we should have said "Italy's team is strong, and they came up just a tad bit short"


tad short my ass looks more like a football score then a hokcey score

ITALY GOT WTFPWNED

[Alfster]

tad short my ass looks more like a football score then a hokcey score

ITALY GOT WTFPWNED

haha, i know. Skirm has a sandy vag over it though.

[Solkern]

PFFT, GET THE SAND OUT OF YOUR TWAT, AND LAUGH WITH THE REST OF US

[Skirmisher]

tad short my ass looks more like a football score then a hokcey score

ITALY GOT WTFPWNED

Still stuck in fifth grade level humor..lamentable but I guess even you at the low end of the bell curve are needed to keep it valid.

on topic I will say that i read some more of the after game interview where the player whose quote I read regarding italy being weak gave some much more appropriate statements. Read this as being not anything like Solken would say. Seeing the more full version of the interview made it seem nowhere near as offensive as so i must remove that point of criticism.

[Sean of the Thread]

WTF do you want them to do??? Just pass the puck around forever until the clock stops?

[Skirmisher]

WTF do you want them to do??? Just pass the puck around forever until the clock stops?

Wow...that's exactly what I said.

Boy you're good.

[Solkern]

LAWL, Skirm is funny! LEMOW

Resulting to personal insults basedon diffrent views on a subject

TSK TSK TSK

Tis you be the one that needs to grow up and relize people have the right to post That of thier own opinions, but no need to start insulting.

[Ebondale]

Don't you think that passing the puck around like that would be even more insulting? Thats like saying, "We could be kicking your ass right now but we're just going to play around with you instead."

[Solkern]

Don't you think that passing the puck around like that would be even more insulting? Thats like saying, "We could be kicking your ass right now but we're just going to play around with you instead."


I'd rather get my ass totally kicked, then to be toyed with, and even MORE insulted that way
Being toyed with, That's saying in even more profound ways, that your team sucks.

Sorry Ebondale, had to edit it, didn't sound right when i first Typed it :P

[Ebondale]

I'd rather get my ass totally kicked, then to be toyed with, and insulted more that way.

So would I.

[Skirmisher]

LAWL, Skirm is funny! LEMOW

Resulting to personal insults basedon diffrent views on a subject

TSK TSK TSK

Tis you be the one that needs to grow up and relize people have the right to post That of thier own opinions, but no need to start insulting.


I assume you are either joking or suffer from short term memory loss as only a few posts before these were aimed at me.


PFFT, GET THE SAND OUT OF YOUR TWAT, AND LAUGH WITH THE REST OF US


haha, i know. Skirm has a sandy vag over it though.

[Alfster]

I wasn't insulting you, just pointing out that it may be time to change your rag.




GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ITALY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Solkern]

No, i am not joking, and I don't suffer from short term memeory lost, We are making an assumition, based on your presvious post, that you are EXTREMLY upset over this, which you shouldnt be, So we offered some reasonable explaination based on your previous posts, As your post was an insult directed towards me, which was uncalled for, and unneeded, as you know nothing about me, or my personal life. SO keep it out of your post

[Skirmisher]

I wasn't insulting you, just pointing out that it may be time to change your rag.

I wasn't insulting you either but simply expresing sympathy for your anemic sense of humor and it's lack of originality.

My condolences.

[Alfster]

There is nothing humerous about a serious medical condition such as "Sandy Vagina". God damnit, this is a serious problem that causes bitchiness. Please, for us, wash that twat.

[Solkern]

Moving along

[Skirmisher]

...(insert a painfull and spelling error laden attempt to actually legitimize a stupid post)....... SO keep it out of your post
To which I retort:

No.

[Solkern]

Sorry, I dont really care about Perfect spelling on a Forums, It's not the TOP of my list of things to do.

I honestly laugh at people like you, WHo pride themselves on insulting people online, and make jokes about the spelling errors they made..

let me guess skrim, after or while you post on the forums, you probally jump on msn, or Aim, and start telling all your "friends" about how you wtfpwned this guy on the forums.

Hold on, i'm still laughing anyways

Your cute very cute, Skrim pls refer to my picture in my sig, as I now direct it towards you

[Skirmisher]

Sorry, I dont really care about Perfect spelling on a Forums, It's not the TOP of my list of things to do.

I honestly laugh at people like you, WHo pride themselves on insulting people online, and make jokes about the spelling errors they made..

Your cute very cute, Skrim pls refer to my picture in my sig, as I now direct it towards you

While there may be some on these boards with whom I would be wary about entering a war of words, you are not one of them.

You try to get cute and go for the cheap laugh and when i turn it around on you you cry.

You lose.

[Solkern]

While there may be some on these boards with whom I would be wary about entering a war of words, you are not one of them.

You try to get cute and go for the cheap laugh and when i turn it around on you you cry.

You lose.


Cry? LEMOW

Why would I cry or a waste of time like yourself?
SKRIm have you forgotten? these are "online" forums, I can care less about you, or your online excuses to make yourself hold your head up in the morning, after your last post, I really do feel sorry for you, you must RELALY pride yourself on these forums

[Latrinsorm]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sportsmanship

2. Conduct and attitude considered as befitting participants in sports, especially fair play, courtesy, striving spirit, and grace in losing.

Solkern, they left out "run up the score 'cuz it makes me feel good", can you believe it?

As a helpful hint, spelling Skirmisher's handle "Skrim" doesn't exactly put you in the highest intellectual company.

[Solkern]

Like i stated before, I dont give two shits about spelling on forums, I dont care about it, as long as i get my point accross is all i care about.
Sorry I don't go over my every post to correct every single spelling error i made

[Skirmisher]

Ouch! You got me with that one.

You RELALY did.

[Sean of the Thread]

let me guess skrim, after or while you post on the forums, you probally jump on msn, or Aim, and start telling all your "friends" about how you wtfpwned this guy on the forums.



XXX Skirmisher (9:49:38 PM):fuckin wtfpwned solkern on the PC forums!!

[Solkern]

lol

[TheEschaton]

I was gonna respond to this post, but then was distracted by fire girl's avatar.

Oh yeah, hockey rules. And I agree - if someone just passes it around in an attempt to kill time, I'd be more insulted. When you're bad in hockey, it's kinda HARD not to be scored on.

We have the Olympics here on satellite TV. I have a Norwegian neighbor, she's like in some sort of heaven, or something, while everyone else is like WTF is this shit?

-TheE-

[Tisket]

Wow, way to demonstrate (unsuccessfully) playground tag team bullying tactics Solkern and Alfster...wtf, are you like 12 years old?

[Carl Spackler]

Based on time constraints I haven't read this whole thread, but heres my take on it:

1) This is the olympics, its not like the canadians had 'less skilled' players to put in.

2) Skating a 45 second shift in hockey is hard as hell, and when you're only dressing 18 skaters, 12 forwards and 6 defenseman, its tough to just play your two less skilled lines.

3) The Italians were purely outmatched, the canadians were killing a penalty and it looked as if they were on the power play. The only reason the Italians are fielding a womens team is because they are the host country.

[Hulkein]

these are "online" forums, I can care less about you

That means you care... I think you were going for 'I couldn't care less.'

Either way, your non-stop crying seems to tell me that you do care, so don't bother changing it.

[Solkern]

I honestly don't know one person that would rather toyed with and fucked with, then severly beaten.

if it's sportsmanship you want, they did do sportsman ship, like carl said, Canadians don't have any less skilled players they are ALL insanely good
and they all will give it there all

I see nothing wrong with what canada did. they came to the olympics to make a statement, and thats what they did.

[Solkern]

That means you care... I think you were going for 'I couldn't care less.'

Either way, your non-stop crying seems to tell me that you do care, so don't bother changing it.


I post here what a few days every three months?

I hardly care.

[xtc]

Plain and simple they are doing what they are trained to do. It is the other teams job to train enough to stop them. Don't forget that the Candians hated Mussolini AND they have a distaste for brick oven pizza!


lol interesting idea, but as usual clearly wrong. Many Italian Canadians still talk about how Mussolini made the trains run on time. I don't think we hated Mussolini anymore than any of the other Allies. We love brick oven pizza.

However I got that your post was an attempt at humour.

[Solkern]

Italy got mauled by sweden 11-0

is it just me or is this a trend agaisnt italy?

[DeV]

I see it as not calling the team, that spent the last three periods getting its ass kicked and still trying at least, weak afterwards.You're right, that isn't showing any semblance of sportsmanship. That's just being a cocky ass after the fact... unnecessary.


I would hope the player that made that statement has had time to reconsider and make a different kind of statement instead or the only one looking weak in my eyes is her.Agreed.


If however the goal differential does come into play as some sort of tiebreaker I will have to admit the running up of the score is understandable.I never hold back on the field. And no fierce competitor ever would. This is the Olympics we're talking about and that is "the" place to shine if any. Making a statement that a team you beat is weak is a fucked up thing to do so I'm in total agreeance with you about that. The only point of contention was with regard to them running up the score. I have no problem with them doing something like that because they didn't come that far to hold back anything.

[Alfster]

Wow, way to demonstrate (unsuccessfully) playground tag team bullying tactics Solkern and Alfster...wtf, are you like 12 years old?

Notice, he posted after me. It was more of follow the leader.

[xtc]

I think a lot of the other countries have a long way to come in woman's hockey. Hockey is a funny game and sometimes you call loose 3 goals quickly however it is unlikely you will loose 15 goals. At the last Olympics before the Gold Medal game it was rumoured that the US women's hockey team used the Canadian flag to wipe their feet. This enraged the Canadian Women's team and they dominated the game to win the Gold Medal. Since that flag incident last Olympics I think the Canadian girls have taken a no mercy stance to all their games. The American team denied desecrating the Canadian flag. If both these teams get past the semi-finals, as they are predicted to do, they will meet again to play for the Gold. It should be a good game, there is no love lost between these two teams

[Buckwheet]

Has nothing to do with sportsmanship.

It has to do with how the Olympics give points.

In the event of a tie it goes to number of goals scored so far in the tourney.

So in the game where the US was loosing 3-2 at the start of the third, everyone was saying..all they have to do is tie the game so it goes to number of goals scored, and since the US has more then the other team they get the points.

Thats why they don't quit, because if they did, then another opponent could decide not to and drill a team 16-0 and then tie them and win.

Blame the rules, not the players.

I wanted to add this snipet:

"In Olympic competition, the number of goals a team scores, versus the number scored against them, is part of the formula which decides the final standings."

That is from the director of womens olympic hockey.

[Krendeli]

IIf both these teams get past the semi-finals, as they are predicted to do, they will meet again to play for the Gold.

And we got waxed by the...Swedes. No gold for you!