Naginatas are updated.

[radamanthys]

Naginatas are having their base updated. They will be losing their natural +20 attack strength bonus. Instead a +20 bonus will be added to the AvD of the weapons.

Is this a good thing for Naginata owners, or a bad thing?

[Kembal]

My guess is that it's a good thing. All those people with vultite naginatas that weren't getting the special +20 bonus before now can get that +20 AvD bonus by converting them.

[fallenSaint]

I thought it would be a great thing as well, just as soon as someone gives my vult naginata a goddamn +20 again!

[FinisWolf]

I was speaking with Hak about this yesturday, and trying to decide if it is a good thing or not. I am still undecided. Hak did make the point that now you can take your naginata to 10X and essentially have the equivelent of a 14X weapon. This sounds very overpowering, so I see them nerfing the AvD. Just a guess and specualtion.

:shrug:

Finis

[fallenSaint]

I was speaking with Hak about this yesturday, and trying to decide if it is a good thing or not. I am still undecided. Hak did make the point that now you can take your naginata to 10X and essentially have the equivelent of a 14X weapon. This sounds very overpowering, so I see them nerfing the AvD. Just a guess and specualtion.

:shrug:

Finis

Or make them un-enchantable.

[Latrinsorm]

My guess is that it's a good thing. All those people with vultite naginatas that weren't getting the special +20 bonus before now can get that +20 AvD bonus by converting them.Converting is -20 AS and +20 AvD for every naginata. Vultite naginatas, when converted, will be 0x and +20 AvD over a halberd. Thus, they are *still* identical AS/AvD wise with 0x halberds, and probably *still* can't be e-bladed.

All in all, not a very clever change. Magic metal naginatas have always been a mistake, and not fixing them when given the opportunity is pretty sloppy. This is not even getting into the SCORES of ACTUAL issues people wanted resolved that were not deemed worthy of coding time.

[Augie]

I think that this will be a good change. I have a bard who uses naginatas and I would rather have the +20 AS by enchanting one AND have a +20 AvD

[Latrinsorm]

Why wouldn't you use a sonic weapon with a bard? I can't think of any reason besides being overwhelmingly a caster.

[FinisWolf]

Or make them un-enchantable.

True. Good point.

On another note, I could have swore that the cool thing about nag's was that they were "natural" 4X, and e-blade-able? Making them effectively 8X with flares.

On Augie's point, I could see where getting it back to 4X by enchanting would be good, but I really think there is a nerf in store, or like Fallen said, not allowing them to be enchantable, so get to enchanting now, before they nerf it!

Finis

[Latrinsorm]

I could have swore that the cool thing about nag's was that they were "natural" 4X, and e-blade-able? Making them effectively 8X with flares.That's exactly what they just changed. "[Naginatas] will be losing their natural +20 attack strength bonus. Instead a +20 bonus will be added to the AvD of the weapons." Tykel-backroom naginatas are still effectively 8x with flares when ebladed, they just have half of that 8x in AvD.

[fallenSaint]

On another side note my vultite naginata is now -4x .... I think this whole conversion thing may have gone just a weeeee bit wonky.

[Artha]

Now you just lose out on DS. Yay relatively pointless nerfings.

[FinisWolf]

Good stuff!

... um, I am really beginning to think ... NOT!

Finis

[Latrinsorm]

On another side note my vultite naginata is now -4x .... I think this whole conversion thing may have gone just a weeeee bit wonky.There was a bug where converted weapons got double AS penalties. Coase is working on it, so it's as good as fixed, but you should still probably post about it on the officials and/or assist/report.

[Warriorbird]

Halberds are now...COMPLETELY pointless.

[AnticorRifling]

Not a fan of this change. You're taking a weapon that cost me 2k that I could make 8x with flares and now it's probably going to be 0x with a +20 avd....no thanks. I'd rather have the enchant + flare via eblade. Now if they can still be ebladed and the magic metal ones can now be ebladed then sure I'm all for it but I don't see that happening.

What happens to my natural 6x blessable naginata? Is it now going to be a 2x blessable because that's bullshit. What about my godendag, my ora and my vultite, etc, etc, etc?

[Latrinsorm]

Not a fan of this change. You're taking a weapon that cost me 2k that I could make 8x with flares and now it's probably going to be 0x with a +20 avd....no thanks. I'd rather have the enchant + flare via eblade. Now if they can still be ebladed and the magic metal ones can now be ebladed then sure I'm all for it but I don't see that happening.

What happens to my natural 6x blessable naginata? Is it now going to be a 2x blessable because that's bullshit. What about my godendag, my ora and my vultite, etc, etc, etc?All naginatas have the same end result in stance o. The backroom naginatas, when e-bladed, will be 4x with flares and +20 AvD. That's not the issue. The issue is it was always stupid to have magic metal naginatas without the natural +20, this fix does *nothing* to address that, and this fix doesn't address any issue anyone has ever had.

To answer your line of questions: they will all receive -20 AS and +20 AvD. I don't know how you managed to get a natural 6x weapon, but the announcement was very specific.

[fallenSaint]

During the naginata conversion last week, we became aware of the fact that several shops had been selling magic metal naginatas without their default +20 bonus. As a result of this, naginatas made of out magical metals (such as vultite, ora, etc.) that were purchased before the conversion may have enchantments that are significantly less than what was intended. If you believe that your naginata does not have an enchantment that matches what it should be getting from its material base, please ASSIST to have it fixed.

Coase

This message was originally posted in Hunting and Combat, Two Handed Combat. To discuss the above follow the link below.

http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=102&category=4&topic=8&message=1250

And to answer the information about Anticors, it was the one exception to the rule where it was ora base and had the natural Naginata on top of that. I suppose it was probably the only one plucked off a creature as such.

Anyhow with Coase' explanation there that sounds as if Magic Metals are no longer ignored in Naginata base.

[AnticorRifling]

It was a creature found. It's 6x blessable but it won't hold an eblade.

[Tromp]

What will happen to a +40 enchantment recently bard sung naginata?

Will it lose enchantment?

[Latrinsorm]

we became aware of the fact that several shops had been selling magic metal naginatas without their default +20 bonus.There aren't enough periods in the world to describe the ridiculousness of this statement.
What will happen to a +40 enchantment recently bard sung naginata? If you convert it, it will be a +20 ET true (or "newstyle") naginata, which means its AvD will be 20 higher than a halberd, which means on any endroll you'll still have +40 as compared to a 0x halberd.