Armor Ranks

[fallenSaint]

I know its been posted before but with the search function a bit wack hoping I won't get too much slack for asking again...

Anyhow anyone have a list of the different armor ranks needed for the different AsG's RT, Maneuvers, Hindrances?

[Sylvan Dreams]

>psinet lookup armor
You focus your mind and search for "armor" on the PsiNet Library.

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Article "Hindrance" [AID #240]

Armor Ranks to Train off Hindrance
ASG RT MnS MjS/C MnE MjE/W R S Em B P Max
1 Clothing/No Armor 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2 Robes 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
5 Light Leather 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
6 Full Leather 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
7 Reinforced Leather 8 0 0 0 6 0 2 0 0 0 4
8 Double Leather 8 0 0 0 15 0 6 0 6 0 6
9 Leather Breastplate 13 10 15 15 27 10 20 15 10 8 16
10 Cuirboulli Leather 18 15 20 20 35 15 27 20 10 13 20
11 Studded Leather 23 20 27 27 70 20 50 27 10 18 24
12 Brigandine Armor 30 27 35 35 130 27 110 35 35 23 28
13 Chain Mail 40 35 50 50 210 35 210 50 50 30 40
14 Double Chain 60 50 70 70 290 50 250 70 50 40 45
15 Augmented Chain 60 70 110 90 390 70 330 110 50 60 55
16 Chain Hauberk 80 110 170 130 490 110 410 190 190 80 60
17 Metal Breastplate 80 210 390 210 590 310 470 390 310 100 90
18 Aug. Breastplate 100 230 450 250 690 370 550 450 310 120 92
19 Half Plate 120 250 530 290 790 430 670 530 310 140 94
20 Full Plate 140 290 790 330 890 490 850 790 890 160 96

-=Table Legend=-
ASG Armor Sub-Group MjE Major Elemental Circle Em Empath Base Circle
RT Mod Roundtime Modifier C Cleric Base Circle B Bard Base Circle
MnS Minor Spirit Circle W Wizard Base Circle P Paladin Base Circle
MjS Major Spirit Circle R Ranger Base Circle
MnE Minor Elemental Circle S Sorcerer Base Circle
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You'll have a better time viewing it using a fixed font.

[fallenSaint]

Appreciate that, not a big fan of Psi Net myself but it does have its good points. Stupid question but does the RT Ranks cover any Maneuver Hindrance as well?

[Daniel]

No


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[Czeska]

www.nilandia.com

Look under combat, I believe.

[fallenSaint]

Well then I suppose my question falls under the www.googleityoumoron.com, I feel somewhat ashamed now. Thanks all for the info.

[Latrinsorm]

Training the RT requirement will help mitigate *some* maneuver hindrance, but it will not minimize it. Some people believe that the extra ranks for maneuver hindrance are entirely superfluous, but the GM we got the manhind information from is *extremely* reliable, so I'm going with him.

[mgoddess]

Bumping this thread up, as it seems appropriate to ask the question here instead of in a new thread...

How much does one need to train in Armor use to use MBP + a helmet? 80 ranks, or 120, or somewhere in the middle?

[Kuyuk]

so a rogue with 80 in armor is fine for mbp, and shouldnt worry about more, correct?


K.

[Kitsun]

Helm on top of MBP should bump the sucker up to fullplate. So 130 or 140 depending on who you believe.

[mgoddess]

Helm on top of MBP should bump the sucker up to fullplate. So 130 or 140 depending on who you believe.

Ugh. I was afraid of that... Boo!

[Latrinsorm]

It's not a question of belief. It is a matter of fact that there are physical penalties that are not fully trained until 20 Armor Skill per Second of RT. It happens to be the case that players cannot see any penalties when comparing 20*RT and 20*RT-10, but this doesn't mean they don't exist.

In short, you are not fully trained physically for full plate (or MBP + helm) until 140 ranks. This is not something that can be rationally challenged. You can choose to ignore the hidden penalties you will have at 130 ranks, of course.

[OoK]

In short, you are not fully trained physically for full plate until 140 ranks. This is not something that can be rationally challenged. You can choose to ignore the hidden penalties you will have at 130 ranks, of course.

Correct. You are not fully trained physically for full plate until 140 ranks.

However, your DS, Cman Maneuver Mod, and Roundtime (basically, everything you can actually see in numbers) is exactly the same between 140 ranks and 130 ranks.

So, are those last 10 ranks of armor use (100 ptp for a rogue) worth whatever penalty you are getting to unseen equations.

-OoK