Holy Shit!

[Ylena]

1035 - Song of Tonis [TONISSONG]Duration: Song of Tonis lasts as long as the Bard is singing the song.

While singing this song, a Bard magically imparts all members of his or her party with additional speed, making all of their actions a bit quicker, and giving them an increased chance to dodge incoming attacks. Specifically, Song of Tonis increases the defensive equivalent of the group's Dodging skill by +20 ranks as well as adding a -1 second haste effect.

Training in Mental Lore, Telepathy will increase the dodge benefit of this song, and at certain thresholds, the haste effect will be increased. Dodging is increased from 1 Dodging rank at 1 rank of Telepathy Lore, with the maximum being 20 Dodging ranks at 100 ranks of Telepathy Lore. There is also a -1 second haste effect at 30 ranks, then again at 75 ranks.

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I sure didn't see that coming...damn! Nice, nice, nice spell. Time to do some major training adjustment, because I think 30 ranks of Telepathy Lore are in order...

[Parkbandit]

I need a bardess....

[Pallon]

Goddamn, I'm having to put off Unlock and Disarm for longer and longer in order to grab single-target 1030 and now this. Not bad.

[Back]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
I need a bardess....

Weed.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Backlash

Originally posted by Parkbandit
I need a bardess....

Weed.

Weed actually makes thinks slower for me... kinda like Slow I.

I need a bardess.:P

[Halfsilver]

I guess there should be at least ONE viable semi profession in GS4.

It sure as hell isn't Ranger.

-grays/d (bitter ranger)

[Soulpieced]

Soulpieced + 20 elemental: air lore + 30 mental lore: telepathy = God

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Ylena
1035 - Song of Tonis [TONISSONG]
::blah blah blah::
There is also a -1 second haste effect at 30 ranks, then again at 75 ranks.


Wonder if we'll start seeing more two-handed weapon or ambushing bards. Specially older ones.

[StrayRogue]

SP! Come hunt with me!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Thats great, now replace haste and mobiles with something thats permanent.

I think its great, but am wondering why I ever chose to be a mage.

[Chadj]

Maybe im just gonna move to pure bard-circle spell training... I want that song!

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Halfsilver
I guess there should be at least ONE viable semi profession in GS4.

It sure as hell isn't Ranger.

-grays/d (bitter ranger)

My ranger will be MUCH better off under GS4 than GS3.

Are you saying rangers are not viable in GS3?

Horseshit.

[StrayRogue]

My 2x spell, purification, slave second account bard is coming along well.

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
My 2x spell, purification, slave second account bard is coming along well.

I thought bards could only 1x spells?

[Scott]

They can double in GS4. It expensive, but you can.

[StrayRogue]

All semi's can double spells now.

[AnticorRifling]

Ahh, crazy. Thanks for the info.

[Halfsilver]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Halfsilver
I guess there should be at least ONE viable semi profession in GS4.

It sure as hell isn't Ranger.

-grays/d (bitter ranger)

My ranger will be MUCH better off under GS4 than GS3.

Are you saying rangers are not viable in GS3?

Horseshit.


I was exaggerating.
What I am saying is that they've nerfed every spell that rangers have gotten recently(AC), are supposed to get in GS4 (640), and have gotten in the past. (spike)

Although the news that AC's being able to come inside being based on affinity is somewhat of a relief for all the disappointments dished out to rangers lately.

Semi's have the greatest range of skills that are all but required to train in, and it seems that the ranger people just keep mediocre-izing (I made that up, but it works) every skill that we're going to get.
Our defense has gone down substantially, and so we are required to spend even MORE tps which we don't have in dodging and possibly shield use. A big part of being a ranger, in my eyes anyways, is hiding and stalking and ambushing has been nerfed. So what, it takes away the ambushee's chance to EBP...you'll still have to have a damned high endroll to get a crit, unless you have crit weighting. And don't get me started on 640. Is anyone even going to freaking train past 630? Now that AC's coming inside is affinity based and not spell rank based? I don't think so. I plan on dropping that spell circle the moment I hit 30 and switching to minor spirit.

So again, it's good that bards get an awesome addition to their already impressive arsenal of spells, while we get a stupid hedge wall in addition to our mediocre bag of tricks.

-grays/d (bitter ranger)

edited to add: You must not be a ranger, Parkbandit, because we are getting shafted. (grays, ranger of 9 years)

[Edited on 10-15-2003 by Halfsilver]

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Halfsilver
So again, it's good that bards get an awesome addition to their already impressive arsenal of spells, while we get a stupid hedge wall in addition to our mediocre bag of tricks.

-grays/d (bitter ranger)

edited to add: You must not be a ranger, Parkbandit, because we are getting shafted. (grays, ranger of 9 years)

[Edited on 10-15-2003 by Halfsilver]

Actually, I've played a ranger for about 3 years now... probably my 2nd favorite character to actually hunt due to his capabilities.

There's nothing wrong with the rangers and like I said, they will be even more viable once GS4 hits. They will be able to train in more skills than before and have the option of being more spell related or physical.

So, please don't even go there on how un-viable rangers are.. because it's nothing more than bs.

[Halfsilver]

Ok, did you read what I said?

I said yes, Rangers will be viable.

Let's go over it again.


640. a flat +20 to DS and an extra chance to block. OMFG that's so great! Especially for the 10 blank fucking spell ranks it takes to get it. And what's better, those ranks don't even provide a benefit!

AC. Can't bring into pretty much ANY undead hunting area. varunar, no. Monestary. no. broken lands. no. shadow valley. no. So WTF is the use of them? Just as rp'ing toys, if you ask me.

Spike sucks. That's pretty much a ranger's only offensive spell. Swarm and weed don't count. Used to be awesome, now is just lame. Not even worth the 16 mana it cost to cast.

Just seems like to me, that we're getting hosed in this deal.

-grays/d:thumbsdown:

[Edited on 10-15-2003 by Halfsilver]

[CrystalTears]

If they're so bad, why did you put up with it for so long? I just don't understand, with the different professions and races, that you choose and stick with one that you don't like for so many years. I don't understand the tenacity.

I suppose I wish that people who want their professions to have things that other professions have, would just PLAY those other professions instead. No one profession should allow you to do everything.

[Scott]

<<<640. a flat +20 to DS and an extra chance to block. OMFG that's so great! Especially for the 10 blank fucking spell ranks it takes to get it. And what's better, those ranks don't even provide a benefit!>>>

Kind of like walls? You know +100 DS for 1 minute? EVERYONE deals with it. A bunch of blank spells to get a spell like that.

<<<
AC. Can't bring into pretty much ANY undead hunting area. varunar, no. Monestary. no. broken lands. no. shadow valley. no. So WTF is the use of them? Just as rp'ing toys, if you ask me.>>>

I wish my other characters had AC.

<<<Spike sucks. That's pretty much a ranger's only offensive spell. Swarm and weed don't count. Used to be awesome, now is just lame. Not even worth the 16 mana it cost to cast. >>>

Spike doesn't suck. It's just where you use it. It's a very useful tool. Maybe you just don't know how/where to use it properly?

[Edited on 10-15-2003 by Gemstone101]

[Halfsilver]

It's not that I don't like what they've given us, CT.

The spells are based in great ideas.

I don't know if they are afraid to actually implement them as something useful or what. They announce great spells, roll'em out as something different and as something that totally sucks. Or in the case of Spike, "down tweak" it into uselessness.

Great looking spells. That's about it.

And as for trying another profession. I'm praying that they'll allow for professional reallocation. I want out of the mediocre-ized profession!

-grays/d

edited:

<<I wish my other characters had AC>>

I know, Sintik...AC's look good! but that's the extent of it. They are there pretty much for aesthetic purposes. I have yet to see a Ranger actually hunting with his AC.

<<Spike doesn't suck. It's just where you use it.>>

Compared to what spike USED to be, it sucks.

<<Kind of like walls? You know +100 DS for 1 minute? >>

And you can hardly compare a flat +20 to +100 which is definitely worth 10 extra spell ranks.

[Edited on 10-15-2003 by Halfsilver]

[CrystalTears]

Because heaven forbid you try it from scratch?

Then again, I'm one of those in the minority that would rather train them from the beginning so that I learn how to play them, not just throw myself into them in the middle. I know people just want uber characters and not care how they got there.

[Edited on 10/15/2003 by CrystalTears]

[Halfsilver]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Because heaven forbid you try it from scratch?
[Edited on 10/15/2003 by CrystalTears]

It's taken me this long to finally train a char up to 30. 9+ years. I don't feel like restarting. I'm sure I could get the feel for a bard or a rogue pretty quickly, as both include aspects of the Ranger prof.

-grays/d

[Scott]

<<I wish my other characters had AC>>

I know, Sintik...AC's look good! but that's the extent of it. They are there pretty much for aesthetic purposes. I have yet to see a Ranger actually hunting with his AC.

What do you want from them? I can't hunt with my familar without it getting killed. I mean I've seen lots of people hunt with their AC's, and they are great RP tools, they work great.


<<Spike doesn't suck. It's just where you use it.>>

Compared to what spike USED to be, it sucks.

How about major lightning, boil earth, DC? Come on, TONS of spells aren't what they use to be. Spike got changed, which it needed to be. It was WAY overpowered.

[/quote]<<Kind of like walls? You know +100 DS for 1 minute? >>

And you can hardly compare a flat +20 to +100 which is definitely worth 10 extra spell ranks.[/quote]

Are you kidding me? 1 minute? I'll trade you walls AND wizard shield for your spell. Walls and wizard shield aren't worth a damn anymore. Your spell is so much better them. You are right, there is no comparison, you're spell is 10 times as good.

[StrayRogue]

Spike wasn't meant to be what it was. Rangers were never meant to be able to hunt with a spell alone. It was always meant to be a facilitator to the ranger, which it is now.

Granted, AC is shit. Its meant to be a combat orientated spell, familiar isn't. The level of work one must put into one's AC to get it to do anything remotely decent is tremendous. And yeah, I've yet to see anyone above 100 bother with one.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Halfsilver
Ok, did you read what I said?

I said yes, Rangers will be viable.

Let's go over it again.


640. a flat +20 to DS and an extra chance to block. OMFG that's so great! Especially for the 10 blank fucking spell ranks it takes to get it. And what's better, those ranks don't even provide a benefit!

What is your point again? Are there any spell ranks between 130 and 150? And I know my rogue would LOVE to have +20 and extra opportunity to block.


AC. Can't bring into pretty much ANY undead hunting area. varunar, no. Monestary. no. broken lands. no. shadow valley. no. So WTF is the use of them? Just as rp'ing toys, if you ask me.

God forbid they bring in anything that is a roleplaying tool. Trust me, they are much more useful than familiars.


Spike sucks. That's pretty much a ranger's only offensive spell. Swarm and weed don't count. Used to be awesome, now is just lame. Not even worth the 16 mana it cost to cast.

Waa... I heard the same cries when boil earth was lowered... the same whines when fog now had a roundtime penalty added. Same moans from sorcerers when DC was neutered. Christ sakes, buckle up and handle a change.


Just seems like to me, that we're getting hosed in this deal.

You've yet to show how that is the case. So bards are getting a new spell song.. wow. Do you know how long it's been since their song circle was complete? Oh shit, that's right.. it still isn't.

Sorry... I have no sympathy for those who look to other professions and whine when they have a very viable profession of their own. Each profession is different. Because bards are getting a useful song doesn't make the rangers more or less viable than they were before.

[Halfsilver]

<<What is your point again? Are there any spell ranks between 130 and 150? And I know my rogue would LOVE to have +20 and extra opportunity to block. >>

At 630 you have two choices. Continue forward to 640 and train in 10 worthless spell ranks. OR switch to minor spirit, and train just 10 more than that AND get the benefits of the minor spirit circle! 120 = great spell. better than 640. Does that make sense?

Our 40th level spell does the same thing that our 13th level spell does. Actually, it does less. SC = +25 ds and td. AND it gets bonuses added to it for more spell ranks you have.

On the AC thing. Good rp'ing tool. Can't bring them anywhere that you would actually spend any substantial amount of time, though. Not hunting areas, anyways.
So. Useless as RP'ing tools, as well.

-grays/d

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

9 years you've been playing? How old were you when you started?

[Halfsilver]

What the hell does that have to do with what we're discussing here?

I'm 21, so figure it out.

-grays/d

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Nothing other than your claim of being a ranger for 9 years.

[Soulpieced]

Some people just don't know much about time Mage. If he "claims" to have been playing for 9 years, he has...

A) Been playing since 1994. In which Gemstone did not exist on AOL, Prodigy, or Compuserve. Meaning his parents had a GEnie account.

B) Was 12 years old, which is the equivalent of 7th grade.

C) Parents were paying for him to be on the Internet on a modem for 2-3 years (until Gemstone was available on AOL for free in December 1996) with a speed < 2800bps at a rate of around 5-10 dollars an hour during prime time hours.

[Soulpieced]

<---- Soulpieced has been playing since August 1996.

[Parkbandit]

Shit Soul.. I think we may have started at the exact same time.

December 1996 was when it went unlimited.. right?

[StrayRogue]

<-------- Is feared by Soulpieced.

[Soulpieced]

Correct Bandit. Debonaire (my warrior) was approximately level 5 when the second juggernaut came. Which was near the end of December. I rolled him up as soon as AOL stopped charging hourly.

[Soulpieced]

I also didn't mention in my post about Graysalin how that would have made him a "mid" ICE ager, yet I have never heard him name any references, or seen anything to lead me to believe he IS ICE age. Thus making his "claim" to have been playing for 9 years false.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I suppose thats what I was getting at...

[Xcalibur]

Here, we brag about the size of our penis, not from the time we LOST playing text-base game:rolleyes:

[theotherjohn]

Starting working at TRP B 278th ACR in August 16 1996. Watched my friend Bobby play his mage while we were suppose to be working.

I started Jan 04 1997 as soon as I found out the price went down.

The reason I bring that up. I can tell you the characters I am currently playing and they are all new. Character names give no indication of how long someone has been playing GS.

also anyone can to to brigattas website and read the Kulthea chronicles and say yeah I knew Kurt Bludletter etc

[Trinitis]

Well, my friend and I sat down and figured it out, we both started playing in 94. I was a freshman in HS, he was a Sophomore. And it WAS free on aol at that time, because we would not have been playing if it was not (that was also the time I was playing MPBT on aol as well, and it was also free.)

-Adredrin

[Zanagodly]

Gemstone might of been free on aol in 94, but aol didn't go unlimited until 1996, as I am also one of the "Unlimited AOL boomers," of Gemstone 3.

[Soulpieced]

we both started playing in 94. And it WAS free on aol at that time,

.

Gemstone III didn't even EXIST on AOL until fall 1995. Hence, you are also wrong.

http://elonka.com/SimuTimeline.html

[Halfsilver]

started playing in late 94. I was 12 at the time.

Yes, parents were paying for AOL at the time.

It was incredibly expensive. Charged by the hour.

I'm post IceAge, though...and have never claimed to be an Ice Ager.

You can argue this all you want, but it's the truth. ::shrug::

I still don't see how that pertains to the ranger spell issue, though

[CrystalTears]

Heh, shouldn't be an age issue OR a ranger spell issue. Should be discussing the BARD spell.

If you want to discuss ranger spells, go over to the ranger folder, pulease. ;)

[Edited on 10/16/2003 by CrystalTears]

[Halfsilver]

Hehe. true.

I think the issue has already been beaten into the ground, though.

I'm gonna pass on a new ranger spell thread.

[Makkah]

Song looks tight... but why the hell don't they just code 1025 already!??!?!?! 5 Years is a little much!



rht

[StrayRogue]

*cough* Demonic Summoning *cough*

[Myshel]

aarggggggh.. I just want the money back I spent playing (ie..addicted) when I had to pay aol. I can still remember the sticker shock of that $1k bill I got!

[Pallon]

1035 - Duration · on 10/17/2003 2:10:11 PM 18
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There was some confusion regarding the duration of 1035. Its actually one minute flat rather than a renewable song. Sorry for the mix up.

~ Kitrina

*puts on her sumo wrestler suit in preparation for a beating*

Crap, turns out it's just another in the line of GS4 "emergency" spells

[Soulpieced]

Chalk up another worthless one.

[Xcalibur]

Hahahahahahhahaa

What a really crap spell now, 1 minute, 35 mana:rolleyes:

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Hahahahahahhahaa

What a really crap spell now, 1 minute, 35 mana:rolleyes:

Yeah, I was almost tempted to train in minor spirit just to 130 and hit the empath circle hard. But you never know when you might need a quick boost from WOF.

So lets see we're now at...

Alkars - Now self cast
Opals - Now self cast
WOF - Now self cast (and crippled)
Living Rune - Hella difficult to steal
130 - Puts you in random parts of town

Man, I love tweaks

[Dighn Darkbeam]

Wow, they totally ruined that spell. Thats a shame. WOF 2

[Makkah]

Yup... sucks pretty much.


rht

[Trinitis]

man, If they don't want us to have such powerful spells..give us weaker ones that have use!

-Adredrin

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by LordAdredrin
>You reach into Falgrin's pockets and pull out 15 silvers.



:?::?::?::?::?:

What the hell? And he didn't outright kill you where you stood??

Damn.. I'm slacking.

Originally posted by theotherjohn
Starting working at TRP B 278th ACR in August 16 1996. Watched my friend Bobby play his mage while we were suppose to be working.

I started Jan 04 1997 as soon as I found out the price went down.

The reason I bring that up. I can tell you the characters I am currently playing and they are all new. Character names give no indication of how long someone has been playing GS.

also anyone can to to brigattas website and read the Kulthea chronicles and say yeah I knew Kurt Bludletter etc

Who was your buddy? I don't recognize the real name. I wanna say celtar cause he was in the Cav and brigatta for like ever, but i'm pretty sure he never played a mage.

Well i know its like 9 years too late Myshel, but you could tell AOL to cut off your bill at a certain dollar amount. Mine was like 60-70 bucks. So i'd play like a crack addicted freak for the first 2-3 days of the month then go through withdrawl. Dec 6. 1996 was like one of the biggest days in my life.

[Drew2]

I guess it takes Ranger over 2 months to process thoughts for threads.

No i'm just really bored and looking at threads.

[Soulpieced]

Damn non-bards posting in my folder.