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Ilvane
12-26-2005, 07:21 PM
MONTREAL, Quebec (Reuters) -- On a recent night out on the town, Michel and Chantal Delbecchi left their suburban Montreal home and drove to the L'Orage Club in the city's east end, where they had sex with a couple they had never met before.

The Delbecchis, husband and wife since 1978, are "echangistes," French for "swingers," who for the past 21 years have been visiting clubs such as L'Orage (Thunderstorm) to have consensual sex in a group with one or more other people.

For future outings, they will no longer have to fear police will raid the club and arrest them for being in a "bawdy house," a place where prostitution or acts of public indecency take place.

In a landmark decision Wednesday, the Supreme Court of Canada lifted a ban on swingers' clubs, ruling that group sex among consenting adults is neither prostitution nor a threat to society.

The ruling sparked outrage, largely in English-speaking parts of Canada, where critics said it would erode limits on indecency or obscenity, encourage prostitution and even contribute to the corruption of minors.

In the mainly French-speaking and predominantly Catholic province of Quebec, however, the decision caused barely a ripple of adverse reaction. Newspaper editorialists fumed in Toronto but largely yawned in Montreal.

Swingers across Canada cheered the ruling, especially those in Quebec, where adherents go to clubs not only to meet others like them but also to have sex on the premises.

"It might make it easier for others interested in swinging to take the next step and visit a club," said Michel, 48, huddled next to Chantal, 43, on a sofa at the dimly lit L'Orage.

Michel, who works at an outlet of warehouse retailer Costco, and Chantal, on leave from her job at a school bus operator, said most swingers are not comfortable in the public spotlight.

"We have a few friends who were afraid to come out to a club because they were worried about how a raid might affect their work or family situation," said Chantal.

For L'Orage club owner Jean-Paul Labaye, the ruling is vindication after a seven-year court battle that began with a 1998 police raid in which he and 40 of his patrons were arrested for being in a bawdy house.

"Everyone was shocked that we would be treated like bandits," Labaye said. "I vowed to defend myself and their cause if that was their desire and that is what I did."

Labaye, a portly and jovial 46-year-old native of France, said swingers celebrated the Supreme Court victory with a late-night party at L'Orage.

In an interview the next day at the club, Labaye apologized for not being able to show a reporter and photographer the upstairs rooms where groups have sex because the housekeeping service had not yet cleaned them.

The club is housed in an elegant but aging two-story house on a busy street. The ground floor has mismatched sofas and chairs, scant lighting and framed photographs on the walls depicting scenes of mild sexual bondage.

The club has no license to sell alcoholic beverages but sports a small bar that offers coffee and caffeine-loaded soft drinks.

Labaye said he hopes a group of Florida investors will help him move into swankier digs, which in addition to the requisite private rooms will have something resembling a refined cigar lounge.

Club rules will be the same -- no illicit drugs or alcohol abuse, and when it comes to propositions for sex, a reply of no means no.

In the meantime, the swinger soirees will continue at L'Orage and at least two dozen similar clubs in Quebec, including one in Gatineau, just opposite the Ottawa River from the imposing stone hulk of the Supreme Court building.

Labaye and the Delbecchis, who have three adult sons, are preparing for important changes in their personal lives.

Labaye plans to marry his girlfriend in Paris in May.

As for Michel and Chantal, a 25-year-old woman has become their mutual lover, and all three plan to move in together early next year. Despite that new relationship, the Delbecchis expect to continue exchanging sex partners in Quebec clubs.

Said Michel: "At the club, we have sex with people. At home, we make love."

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Terminator X
12-26-2005, 07:27 PM
Wait, that's illegal? :?:

SpunGirl
12-26-2005, 07:32 PM
I don't see why people are all upset about it. People should be able to bone who they want to bone, and if there's a house facilitating it, who cares? As long as everyone is an adult and is consenting.

Places like that aren't illegal in the US, are they? I know of two swinger's clubs in Vegas that are described similarly to the one above.

-K

Ilvane
12-26-2005, 07:37 PM
It's amusing that people get upset after the fact. I mean, if they are not paying for the sex, it's not illegal, right? That people got arrested for it in the first place is pretty sad..heh.

-A

Toxicvixen
12-27-2005, 03:31 AM
People can be too uptight. Swinging ain't my bag, but who freaking cares what other people choose to do? Go Swingers!

Jayvn
12-27-2005, 04:17 AM
Said Michel: "At the club, we have sex with people. At home, we make love."

hehe that made me giggle a little

Jazuela
12-27-2005, 07:12 AM
There's a place in my state sort of like that. Has a BDSM theme. I'm not sure how it works, exactly, whether you have to be a member to get in or whatever. But they have the main floor with "exhibitions" and there's a basement for other things. Private rooms maybe? I really don't know, I've only driven past it and know where it is. Point being, it's definitely not illegal here in Connecticut, though I imagine it's probably tightly regulated.

Snapp
12-27-2005, 08:16 AM
Whatever floats your boat. :shrug:

Skeeter
12-27-2005, 10:37 AM
As long as it isn't next to MY house.

CrystalTears
12-27-2005, 10:45 AM
Because they might drop by and have sex in your living room? :lol:

Atlanteax
12-27-2005, 10:50 AM
Well, guess we can rest assured that the (diabolically evil) ACLU will fight such a ban in the US.

:shrug:

DeV
12-27-2005, 10:55 AM
lol. Banning that particular lifestyle won't stop it in the least.

Sean of the Thread
12-27-2005, 11:57 AM
Canada.. leading the world at being just north of the United States.

(and pwning swingers)

Augie
12-27-2005, 12:31 PM
I know that type of club is not banned in Florida either. A friend of mine is a DJ at a club in Miami that pretty much seems like that one described in the article.

:shrug: I don't see what the big deal is. As long as it makes you happy, go for it.

TheEschaton
12-27-2005, 01:22 PM
Insert necessary "Swingers" quote here:

You're so money, man, and you don't even fucking know it. It's like you're a bear, a big bear, with these claws, and these teeth, and she's a little bunny, and you're batting the bunny around, just playing, thinking, "How'm I gonna kill this bunny?"...how're you gonna kill this bunny, with the fucking claws, and the fuckin' teeth!?!?

-TheE-

ElanthianSiren
12-27-2005, 02:09 PM
They have them in Seattle and Portland, as well as California. I think, in the states, swinging and bdsm clubs are a west coast thing.

Also, I found interesting that they brought up the no drugs/alcohol policy of the club, as if it was contrary to a portion of the lifestyle indicated. Abstinance from mind altering substances is actually pretty common in bdsm circles, as fetishists tend to view substance abuse, even for a good time, as a lapse in control. What are common are sugar packets, and occasionally, caffeine.

:shrug: whatever does it for you.

-M

xtc
01-11-2006, 03:45 PM
I think it is a non-story as very few charges were ever pressed against owners of swingers houses. Operating a common bawdy house is usually reserved for houses that run prostitutes out of them. Also I think the AP has it wrong when they saw English Canada was outraged by the decision. I saw close to no coverage about this in Canadian media, however US media seemed to make a big deal about it.

Sean of the Thread
01-11-2006, 03:55 PM
xtc always blinded by the powerhouse that is the Canadien politka machine!

noob

radamanthys
01-11-2006, 06:15 PM
you probably have to pay to get in... hence the idea of prostitution.

hell... oral and anal sex (relatively) just became legal in most of the US, and it's still illegal for military personel to participate in such acts.

umm... americans are tight-assed. It happens. Outrage is our greatest export.

Sean of the Thread
01-11-2006, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by radamanthys


hell... oral and anal sex (relatively) just became legal in most of the US



Did I miss that memo?

SpunGirl
01-11-2006, 07:33 PM
Arizona finally repealed a bunch of "archaic" sex laws in (I think) 2003, including a ban against oral and anal sex, plus a ban against cohabitating with someone you're not married to.

It's still illegal in Coconino County to have more than twelve women living in one household, or it's considered a "house of ill repute."

-K

radamanthys
01-11-2006, 08:02 PM
Sodomy- oral and anal sex. Was banned for a long time.

Still illegal in the Uniform Code of Military Justice or whatever.

newbee
01-11-2006, 09:52 PM
Is montreal not in ontario?

HarmNone
01-11-2006, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by newbee
Is montreal not in ontario?

I'd think you could answer that question yourself, since you're from Ontario. :rolleyes:

Or......are you? Hmmmm....

[Edited on 1-12-2006 by HarmNone]

xtc
01-12-2006, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by newbee
Is montreal not in ontario?

Montreal is in Quebec which is largely a French speaking province of Canada. For the most part Quebec is less repressed than the rest of English Canada as it was settled by the French.

However I assume that Harmnone has detected that your IP comes from Ontario which means you knew the answer to your question.

ElanthianSiren
01-12-2006, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by radamanthys

umm... americans are tight-assed. It happens. Outrage is our greatest export.

Sig

-M

newbee
01-16-2006, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by xtc

Originally posted by newbee
Is montreal not in ontario?

Montreal is in Quebec which is largely a French speaking province of Canada. For the most part Quebec is less repressed than the rest of English Canada as it was settled by the French.

However I assume that Harmnone has detected that your IP comes from Ontario which means you knew the answer to your question.

no