Keep Jesus outta my game!

[Vixen]

Okay, I grew up religious, so dont get me wrong, I am not anti-god or whatever, I just dont want it in my game. And yes I could move from TC and not have to hear it. But I am in TC frequently. And this chick says she is going to be doing this all month. Even AFTER I whispered to her OOC that this is not the appropriate forum for it.

Morngaine sings:

"Seems to easy to call you savior
not close enough to call you lord
so..."

Morngaine sings:

"Seems to easy to call you savior
not close enough to call you lord
so..."

(and goes on and on.. and is currently STILL going on)

And because I grew up fairly religious, I recognize the lyrics of fairly well known songs in christian circles..

So why in the hell is she still here

[CrystalTears]

Cause no one cares enough to stop her, probably.

That's just annoying. I have nothing against being religious, the game is just not the place to proclaim it.

[Vixen]

Just the second I posted this, she finally got pulled away.

[Asha]

I just missed that didn't I?
That is terrible.

Reminds me of that bitch telling the story of Jesus, that Christmas.

[Czeska]

Pulled away as in a GM grabbing her, yanking her up, and making her STFU?

[Brattt8525]

How about Thrakmas?

[Czeska]

Thrakmas is a weak attempt at bringing Christmas IC.

[Nieninque]

I'd have given her a religious arrow to the eye, just for you Minxie ;)

[Vixen]

She dissapeared so I am hoping one of the powers that be smacked her around some.

And thank you! An arrow would have been quite the thing for the at least 15 to 20 minutes she was standing there singing

[Czeska]

210 is your friend.

[Latrinsorm]

As any reference becomes more veiled, the GMs are less likely to pick up on it for obvious reasons. Just report and let them know what's going on. Whispering almost never helps.

And honestly, I don't recognize that song and I'm one of the musicians at Church. It could be a Protestant-only one I guess, but from what I've seen Christian music of any denomination can be pretty much used in any.

In conclusion, Thrakmas is close to if not the stupidest term ever coined in human history.

[Czeska]

Not to mention she used TO when she should've used TOO.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Czeska
Thrakmas is a weak attempt at bringing Christmas IC.

I agree it can be annoying as it is an EXTREMELY poorly mock up of the celebration at the time of Christmas, however as long as they keep Christianity itself out of it it does not grate on me quite so much.

[Trinitis]

I hate it when people do stuff in my name.

:argue:

[xtc]

I grew up going to a Protestant Church, specifically the Anglican church and I don't recognise the song at all.

[B2]

If I report stuff like that, I usually get a send that's something like:

Those words and that accent aren't necessarily OOC. They could be said anywhere. You don't know that the character isn't making that up. Thanks for the heads up, though.

...

There were three people quoting Napolean Dynamite for a full fifteen minutes in the Small Park the other day. Nothing.

I was at a cathedral wedding where they did the wedding scene from a Princess Bride. (You know...Mawwaige is what bwings up together today!") I was told it was perfectly fine.

Infinity, a GM-run merchant, recited the opening lines to Days of our Lives at Ebon Gate when his hourglass ran out. That's perfectly fine?!

If I hear "Thanks for the heads up, though" one more time, I think I might cry. They don't mean it! Stop saying it! Hateful lying GMs.

Just like I want pentagrams out of my game. We don't need pagan symbols when Gemstone has its own religions. Thanks.

- Arkans

[SpunGirl]

I agree with the pentagram thing. From what I understand, pentacles and pentagrams have different connotations, neither one relating to anything in Elanthia. "A five-pointed star inscribed within a circle" would be OK with me, though.

And Thrakmas... bleh. Is there even a history doc somewhere with a halfhearted attempt to explain WHY we celebrate Thrakmas or why in the heck it's called that?

-K

[Fission]

And Thrakmas... bleh. Is there even a history doc somewhere with a halfhearted attempt to explain WHY we celebrate Thrakmas or why in the heck it's called that?

Of course there is, it's just buried really well. Also with it are the explanations for the turkey invasions on Thanksgiving, the leprechaun invasion on St. Pat's Day, etc., etc.

[Leetahkin]

I think said singer in the first post here was sitting there a few months ago singing non-stop. People were complaining all over town. I even went to TC to witness it, whispered to her to shut up. No response. I put in an assist, but she "came to" before my assist was answered. So I canceled it and forgot about it.

But I agree, some things should be left out of GS.

[Augie]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
And Thrakmas... bleh. Is there even a history doc somewhere with a halfhearted attempt to explain WHY we celebrate Thrakmas or why in the heck it's called that?

-K

I am pretty sure that was something that dates back quite some time, probably before I started playing. I think it was a way of the players sharing something in game that allows them to celebrate with their characters.

Now during December 20 - 25 we have the Feast of the Immortals, which is the in character in game celebration of that time.

Heh I think that anyone who has one of those cuddly Thrakmas bears should take it and burn it and throw it in the well.

[Unique]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
I agree with the pentagram thing. From what I understand, pentacles and pentagrams have different connotations, neither one relating to anything in Elanthia. "A five-pointed star inscribed within a circle" would be OK with me, though.

And Thrakmas... bleh. Is there even a history doc somewhere with a halfhearted attempt to explain WHY we celebrate Thrakmas or why in the heck it's called that?

-K

Pentacles are IC because...

http://www.play.net/gs4/info/tomes/elven_history/crests.asp

They are the crest of House Faendryl.

Done.

Unique.

[fallenSaint]

Pentacle / Pentagram is defined as a 5 pointed star which is the Faendryl crest, just so happens most people relate it to its symbol we have here in the ‘ol Real World local.

Thrakmas is well ... /sigh

And she probably got pulled for the nuisance of non-stop singing that was bothering others rather than the lyrics themselves. The terms aren’t inherently OOC to anyone who doesn't know it off hand.

I don’t see anything wrong with random one liners that are technically OOC from GM’s and other players, more or less a inside joke. I do for some reason have a problem with the crown of thorns that is floating about in game somewhere … I guess it all boils down to ones Personal Taste when it comes to RP?

[Edited on 12-6-2005 by fallenSaint]

[The Ponzzz]

Thrakmas was brought about when the Landing was the ONLY town one could visit and due to the Thrak inn, Thrak kinda became the mascot of GS at that time.

There is nothing official of any sort other than OOC GMs bringing it up to make it survive. It is part of the history of the game when OOC comments weren't dealt with harshly, and those GMs do not want to see it die out, because it is, in fact, part of GS's history...

[Sean of the Thread]

Did she get pulled for bad grammar?

[The Ponzzz]

Finally, Chuck and Vin together again!

[Latrinsorm]

Pentagrams can just as easily be a symbol for Jesus, but I think the idea of a five-pointed star is commonplace enough for it to be allowable IG.

[Vixen]

Heh I didnt figure it would be recognizeable to most people. But that was just one of the songs she was singing. They varied. Some were vague and she could have been singing about anything. And thats annoying... but fine. The ones about "you dying to save me from my sin" were the ones that were bugging me
In any case the song in question was love song for a savior by Jars of Clay.
And I only whispered to her after time had passed and no one had responded to my report. In any case she got poofed, and hopefully she can sing to her heart's content, and leave that stuff out.

[Ebondale]

You want religous in GS?

I used to have (when I played) an altered hat that was "a crown of twisted thorns coated in a thin layer of blood".

Simutronics cares about money. Not God.

I'm starting a cult and the symbol for it will be a cross with a crucified guy. Who's in?

- Arkans

[Ebondale]

Dude SWEET. I'm SO in!

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Arkans
I'm starting a cult and the symbol for it will be a cross with a crucified guy. Who's in?:lol:

You handled the situation as well as can be expected, Vixen.

[SpunGirl]

I remember a year or two ago, someone made a post in the Religion folder on the mains about "the One True God." Basically, this person was asking if having a character that preached the gospel of this "one true god" and h8eraded on all the other arkati was a valid RP choice.

People laughed at him.

-K

[Viridian]

Originally posted by Arkans
Just like I want pentagrams out of my game. We don't need pagan symbols when Gemstone has its own religions. Thanks.

- Arkans

The pentagram is the symbol of the faendryl house isn't is?

That isn't exactly religious, though I can see how people would take it's ooc meaning and perceive it that way.

[Unique]

Originally posted by Viridian

That isn't exactly religious, though I can see how people would take it's ooc meaning and perceive it that way.


In the simu history docs it mentions the pentagram as a symbol of demon summoning, the reason for its adoption by House Faendryl.

Unique

[Ebondale]

Originally posted by Arkans
Just like I want pentagrams out of my game. We don't need pagan symbols when Gemstone has its own religions. Thanks.

- Arkans

I don't have a problem with that so much as I do with a cross or something of that nature. Pagan religions have a lot more to do with a fantasy roleplaying environment than a cross does. Besides, the Coven is some damn fine RP.

[Terminator X]

Things in GemStone are as they are. There's no point in trying to change what won't.

I have seen plain "a holy symbol"s to which I assume are some kind of cross-bearing reference.

That being said, just following what would be my own personal interpretation, I can pretty much tag any label onto whatever it is that I wish to view as some sort of hardcore out-of-character religious ideology being manifested in GemStone; a holy symbol, cross, plus-sign, etc. are as plausible to be assumed as literary references straight from christian dogma as are attributing some fashion of strict Pagan theology to the simple shape of a mere pentagram.

That is all,

- The Termite

[Lady Shadow]

There were some crowns of thorns sold off the shelf at an EG 2 or 3 years ago, I want to say on a Mularos mannequin. In that context, I don't find them to be OOC. However, if someone were to try to RP 'Jesus' wearing one, that would be a different story.

[Nilandia]

Originally posted by Vixen
In any case the song in question was love song for a savior by Jars of Clay.

Yep, that's Jars of Clay. When I was listening to the "softer" Christian music, I listened to them all the time. I've since moved on to stuff I enjoy more, such as Demon Hunter, which I've got on now.

I can sympathize SOMEWHAT with the person. I remember WAY back when I first started (talking about 8 years ago) I was over hunting kobolds and I sang a line of dc Talk.

However, I realized later how stupid it was and thankfully, never did it again.

Gretchen

[Sean of the Thread]

<3 Baby Jesus.

[Apotheosis]

Originally posted by Lady Shadow
There were some crowns of thorns sold off the shelf at an EG 2 or 3 years ago, I want to say on a Mularos mannequin. In that context, I don't find them to be OOC. However, if someone were to try to RP 'Jesus' wearing one, that would be a different story.


I would laugh my ass off if someone RP'd jesus in game.

Seriously, wearing "Some brown sandals" and "white flowing robes"

[Apotheosis]

Originally posted by Yswithe

Originally posted by Lady Shadow
There were some crowns of thorns sold off the shelf at an EG 2 or 3 years ago, I want to say on a Mularos mannequin. In that context, I don't find them to be OOC. However, if someone were to try to RP 'Jesus' wearing one, that would be a different story.


I would laugh my ass off if someone RP'd jesus in game.

Seriously, wearing "Some brown sandals" and "white flowing robes"

The trick would be to not OVERTLY claim being jesus, etc.. and be as vague as possible. Just enough so people jump to their own conclusions (that's always fun).

[Ebondale]

They could call their character "Heyzeus"

Har har... Spanish pronounciation for Jesus. :)

[Drew]

I've never hid my faith, but if I'm talking about it, it's through whispers or other OOC means with players. I'm not going around whispering the good news.


Although, in the girls defense, people bastardize real earth songs all the time (Under Scotman's Kilt --> Under Dwarven Kilt) in Gemstone, I'm usually offended by it all but people seem to tolerate it, unfortunately.




Originally posted by Nilandia
I can sympathize SOMEWHAT with the person. I remember WAY back when I first started (talking about 8 years ago) I was over hunting kobolds and I sang a line of dc Talk.

Nilandia says, "I saw a man with a tat on his big fat belly, it wiggled around like marmalade jelly. It took me a while to catch what it said 'cause I had to match the rhythm of his belly to my head."

[Ebondale]

Nilandia says, "I saw a man with a tat on his big fat belly, it wiggled around like marmalade jelly. It took me a while to catch what it said 'cause I had to match the rhythm of his belly to my head."

*head explodes*

[Drew]

Note: the previously posted Nilandia log was not an actual log, maybe.

[Ebondale]

Maybe? Well was it or wasn't it? O_o

[Drew]

Who can be certain these days?

[Caiylania]

So true. :P hehe.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Ebondale
Pagan religions have a lot more to do with a fantasy roleplaying environment than a cross does.Are you saying all pagan religions are false here or what?
Originally posted by Spungirl
People laughed at him. They probably should have read the creation docs instead. There is only one God in Elanthia (or at best a duo like in Zoroastrianism). :)

[Jayvn]

You mean Jastev isn't the one true god?

[Latrinsorm]

Jastev is roughly the RL pantheon equivalent of string cheese.

[Viridian]

Originally posted by Unique

Originally posted by Viridian

That isn't exactly religious, though I can see how people would take it's ooc meaning and perceive it that way.



In the simu history docs it mentions the pentagram as a symbol of demon summoning, the reason for its adoption by House Faendryl.

Unique

Demon Summoning isn't religious. I meant that people would most likely think of the OOC connection to it, people who practice wicca and the like.

Personally I see nothing wrong with the symbol in-game.


[Edited on 12-7-2005 by Viridian]

[Edited on 12-7-2005 by Viridian]

[Ebondale]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Ebondale
Pagan religions have a lot more to do with a fantasy roleplaying environment than a cross does.Are you saying all pagan religions are false here or what?

Huh? That didn't make sense to me, maybe I'm missing something. :)

What I'm saying is that since GS religion revolves around polytheism (which *gasp* is Paganism) something like a pentacle makes a lot of sense for GS.

Unfortunately Spike the War Rat was never crucified or died for our sins. Crosses and crucifixes do not make sense in GS.

[Edited on 12-7-2005 by Ebondale]

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Ebondale
What I'm saying is that since GS religion revolves around polytheism Only if one considers the Arkati gods and for that matter the strongest beings in existence. I'm not a huge pagan guy or anything, but what about a pentagram is essentially polytheistic? Certainly there are monotheistic or even nontheistic pagan religions.
Pagan religions have a lot more to do with a fantasy roleplaying environment The reasoning behing my comment: Every OOC religion (or thing, for that matter) is equally OOC. Buddha has as little place in Elanthia as Jesus Christ. Therefore the only way for your comment to make sense in my head is if RL pagan religions are more fantastical (i.e. far-fetched/fake).
Crosses and crucifixes do not make sense in GS.While crucifixion is a pretty imaginative way to brutally torture someone to death, certainly two lines at right angles isn't particularly taxing on the imagination, wouldn't you say?

The pentacle makes no sense whatsoever. It is absolutely no different than representing something with a cross with a crucified man on it. Create something new, but don't think some things are okay and others are not.

- Arkans

[Czeska]

Without reading everything or getting into the ideology..

A pentagram is a geometric shape: A 5 pointed star.

A pentacle (pentagram in a circle) becomes a spiritual symbol.

[fallenSaint]

So much hate on the Faendryl.

[Adhara]

Originally posted by Czeska
Without reading everything or getting into the ideology..

A pentagram is a geometric shape: A 5 pointed star.

A pentacle (pentagram in a circle) becomes a spiritual symbol.

Actually there are many opinions on that. The dictionary seems to make no difference but most pagans/wiccans do. For some, the pentagram is the star alone which becomes a pentacle if enclosed in a circle. For others, a pentagram is the symbol of the star in the circle while a pentacle is any material object representing the pentagram. I'm sure there are other interpretations out there as well.

[CrystalTears]

pen·ta·cle Audio pronunciation of "pentacle" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pnt-kl)
n.

A five-pointed star, often held to have magical or mystical significance, formed by five straight lines connecting the vertices of a pentagon and enclosing another pentagon in the completed figure. Also called pentagram.

Heh. So much for definitions.

[Nilandia]

Originally posted by Drew
Nilandia says, "I saw a man with a tat on his big fat belly, it wiggled around like marmalade jelly. It took me a while to catch what it said 'cause I had to match the rhythm of his belly to my head."
:lol:

Right song, wrong line. It was sung, too. So... not a log.

Gretchen

[Apotheosis]

bit of trivia (apologize to sociologists out there)


german tribes around 50 B.C.E and 5 A.D. grouped together in clans called "pagus" hence the term pagans.

They were a very warlike culture, and were responsible for much of what we now refer to as Nordic Mythology.

[Nilandia]

Originally posted by Yswithe
bit of trivia (apologize to sociologists out there)


german tribes around 50 B.C.E and 5 A.D. grouped together in clans called "pagus" hence the term pagans.

They were a very warlike culture, and were responsible for much of what we now refer to as Nordic Mythology.
Huh. That's not the origin I've heard. I just looked it up on etymonline.com and here's what I get.



pagan
c.1375, from L.L. paganus "pagan," in classical L. "villager, rustic, civilian," from pagus "rural district," originally "district limited by markers," thus related to pangere "to fix, fasten," from PIE base *pag- "to fix" (see pact). Religious sense is often said to derive from conservative rural adherence to the old gods after the Christianization of Roman towns and cities; but the word in this sense predates that period in Church history, and it is more likely derived from the use of paganus in Roman military jargon for "civilian, incompetent soldier," which Christians (Tertullian, c.202; Augustine) picked up with the military imagery of the early Church (e.g. milites "soldier of Christ," etc.). Applied to modern pantheists and nature-worshippers from 1908. Paganism is attested from 1433.


In this case, it appears to derive from being "of the country" and holding to old polytheistic belief, and further back to a military reference.

Think you could share where you're getting yours?

Gretchen

[SpunGirl]

I've read similar things that Nilandia has, though I forget where. One related term is "heathen," which comes from a word meaning "one who dwells in the heath," aka villager, or people who were slower to discard the "old" ways. GODDAMN HEATHENS.

-K

[Fission]

Unfortunately Spike the War Rat was never crucified or died for our sins. Crosses and crucifixes do not make sense in GS.

Not saying they should rush to implement crosses or crucifixion, like they have with angels for example, but crucifixion existed as a method of punishment, torture and execution centuries before Christianity ever entered the scene. It's still practiced in modern times, and usually with little or nothing to do concerning Christianity in part or whole.

[Czeska]

Originally posted by AdharaThe dictionary seems to make no difference but most pagans/wiccans do.

Go figure :)

[Gigantuous]

Everyone knows Jesus...
The man who healed the lame...
But I'm Jesus' brother...
And Craig is my name.

Jesus is the prince of peace...
Jesus is the lamb...
Jesus is the son of God...
But Craig don't give a damn!


"Craig Christ" - Stephen Lynch

Next time you see someone singing about Haysoos, start belting that song back at them. :smilegrin: