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Liberi Fatali
12-03-2005, 02:29 PM
Philly Toddler Brings Crack to Daycare
PHILADELPHIA (AP) - A 2-year-old boy was removed from his family and his mother could face charges after the child handed his daycare teacher two packets of crack cocaine, and a search of his jacket pocket turned up nine more, police said.
The boy's mother was taken in for questioning when she came to pick him up at the end of the day Friday. Police said she could be charged with endangering the welfare of children.
The toddler talked about the drugs, but it wasn't clear how much he understood. According to police, he said he took the packets off a table at home.
``I don't consider any 2-year-old really having a clear sense of what they had in their possession,'' said Capt. John Darby of the Special Victims Unit.
A police search of the home, where the boy lives with his mother, 5-year-old sister and at least one other adult, yielded a pound of marijuana and a small amount of crack cocaine, Darby said.
The toddler and his sister were placed with the city family-services unit.
Edited to add: Not to pose a racist question, but what do you suppose the odds are that this child (as well as the family) were not caucasian? It does not give any names, so one cannot tell.
[Edited on 12-3-2005 by Thus Spoke Zarathustra]
SpunGirl
12-03-2005, 03:04 PM
I don't see that it really matters what race/nationality the parents are. They are stupid assholes who should be h8eraded on regardless.
I realize crack is something easily found in underpriviledged "ghetto" areas populated by minorities, but it's also an alternative to meth for a lot of white trash pieces of shit.
-K
Latrinsorm
12-03-2005, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Thus Spoke Zarathustra
Not to pose a racist questionGenerally when you say this you're supposed to NOT ask an unbelievably racist question afterwards.
Kainen
12-03-2005, 03:09 PM
I agree with what Spungirl said. Race has NOTHING to do with this at all.. them being shitty parents does.
ElanthianSiren
12-03-2005, 03:14 PM
Insane, and it depends on which part of Philly is under discussion if you're trying to do general demographics. The article doesn't say, so we can't assume.
My mom used to run therapy groups for a lot of these kids for PA Child and Welfare. The entire situation is just sad.
-M
Liberi Fatali
12-03-2005, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Generally when you say this you're supposed to NOT ask an unbelievably racist question afterwards.
I just found it odd how they left out the names. I'm not blatantly saying that the family in question is non-caucasian, I was merely asking what the general consensus thought.
SayGoodbye
12-03-2005, 03:53 PM
Funny, I read the article and never thought once "OMG, this is clearly a non-caucasion family." Must just be you thinking that.
ElanthianSiren
12-03-2005, 04:04 PM
Odds are not bigoted, so he did not ask a bigotted question. They are statistics. The City is so diverse and amazing, honestly any background could be in question here. The odds themselves simply depend on the area of discussion demographically, which was not given beyond the city.
For Philly:
White persons, percent, 45.0%
Black or African American persons 43.2%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons 0.3%
Asian persons 4.5%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander 0.0%
Persons reporting some other race, percen 4.8%
Persons reporting two or more races, 2.2%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin 8.5%
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/42/4260000.html
The odds of them being Non white are then 55%.
-M
edited for clarity
[Edited on Sat, December rd, 2005 by ElanthianSiren]
Skirmisher
12-03-2005, 04:20 PM
Siren, you know i love you but one thing I have learned is that odds and statistics in general can be anything that someone twists them into being. Holocaust revisionists and other lovely people like David Duke love to spout some statistic to try to bolster their particular cases.
If you take issue with them they will then proclaim how "Numbers don't lie!". Well true enough, , people taking those numbers and wrapping them in something to make them look totally different while still trying to claim the inherent power of those numbers do the lying.
And yes Latrinsorm, I find that manner of posing a question very similar to the ever painful "I don't mean to be rude but..." which almost inevitably does in fact turn out to be a rude question.
Warriorbird
12-03-2005, 04:27 PM
I don't mean to be rude...but fuck that question.
;)
Given the number of white people who cook meth with children in the house...I don't think it has that much of a point. The issue is parental stupidity.
Originally posted by Warriorbird
I don't mean to be rude...but fuck that question.
;)
Given the number of white people who cook meth with children in the house...I don't think it has that much of a point. The issue is parental stupidity.
Certainly an equal percentage number to the number of black people who deal crack, right?
Warriorbird
12-03-2005, 04:33 PM
You'd be suprised. The meth/Oxy revolution has taken trailer world like a storm. I wouldn't go so far as to call it "equal" but there's certainly a fair amount of it going on. More black people may deal cocaine, but I wouldn't be so optimistic about the percentages of people who take illegal drugs in general.
[Edited on 12-3-2005 by Warriorbird]
Originally posted by Warriorbird
You'd be suprised. The meth/Oxy revolution has taken trailer world like a storm.
No doubt, it's a scourge to be certain. On the other hand I don't find the guys question to be a racist affront. Saying that someone caught in Philly dealing crack is likely to be non-white is not very shocking.
ElanthianSiren
12-03-2005, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by Skirmisher
Siren, you know i love you but one thing I have learned is that odds and statistics in general can be anything that someone twists them into being. Holocaust revisionists and other lovely people like David Duke love to spout some statistic to try to bolster their particular cases.
Absolutely, I was trying to point out the pitfalls of asking such a question, perhaps with an intent or even without, in a city as diverse as Philadelphia. As you saw, the ratio of whites to non-whites is nearly 1:1.
:heart: Philly.
-M
Skeeter
12-03-2005, 06:33 PM
Better question would be what's the chances that CPS will give the kids back to the parents.
I'd say 90%
Leetahkin
12-03-2005, 06:40 PM
That's sad; it's not a way for children to be brought up. Those parents should lose custody indefinitely. At the very least until the parent(s) go through a drug treatment center and undergo constant drug testing for a few years.
Idiot parents abound in all colors (unfortunately).
I think they were Eskimos! (based on that stat list)
Shinook and Kirima Oogrooq were arrested when their son...
By the way, how could you tell the race by name? I know lots of black people with my real name. Other groups you could probably tell, but for some reason I just felt you were talking about blacks.
Vesi
[Edited on 12-4-2005 by Vesi]
Snapp
12-03-2005, 07:25 PM
That's a handy site, ES. Learned a lot of stuff about my state.
As for the topic, those parents should never get those children back. I don't see what race has to do with it though.
Bobmuhthol
12-03-2005, 08:04 PM
I say they're all 100% black.
Terminator X
12-03-2005, 08:10 PM
Amount of importance based on whether the toddler was black, white, yellow or red - 0%
AbnInfamy
12-04-2005, 01:50 AM
I just instantly assumed the persons were black. I don't think it was because it was drug related, just the drug itself.
Crack, I picture blacks, Meth, I picture whites and hispanics, pulling out packets of ecstacy, heroin, LSD or a fifth of jack, I'd have assumed it was a white child.
From my experience certain cultures or areas just like different drugs better.
Didn't necessarily see it as a racist question, I think it took some balls to ask something not so politcally correct when we pussy-foot around any hot topic (besides how much we may or may not hate Bush)
Originally posted by Terminator X
Amount of importance based on whether the toddler was black, white, yellow or red - 0%
Exactly. That's why I picked Eskimos. (just to be sarcastic) The parents are idiots.
Vesi
Latrinsorm
12-04-2005, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by AbnInfamy
we pussy-foot around any hot topicYou clearly haven't been here very long.
Caiylania
12-05-2005, 07:32 AM
They should be charged with child endangermend and utter stupidity. and serve min 10 years. Harsh... but... wtf.
Bastard
12-06-2005, 03:28 PM
Crackhead in Philly... probably black. Just like if you said meth junkie in Phoenix, I'd assume you were talking about some piece of white trash. You say crack, I think ghetto. You say speed, I think trailer park. That's not racism, that's just reality.
Not that it really matters either way. Stupidity isn't picky when it comes to race.
There are tons of white crack addicts.
When I saw the title of this thread, I thought of Stewie from Family guy.
Hulkein
12-06-2005, 04:02 PM
When I read the word 'Philadelphia' followed by the word 'crackhead,' 'crack dealer,' or any other variation, I picture a black family.
This is why I'm glad the Jerry Springer is still on air.
hectomaner
12-06-2005, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by SpunGirl
I realize crack is something easily found in underpriviledged "ghetto" areas populated by minorities, but it's also an alternative to meth for a lot of white trash pieces of shit.
-K
crack is EXTREMELY prominent in high class white society too
also, i know 11 people that did (as far as 3 years ago) sell crack cocaine in philly.
9 were white, 1 asian, 1 black
[Edited on 12-6-2005 by hectomaner]
Bobmuhthol
12-06-2005, 05:00 PM
On any given day, if you ask me what the worst drug ever is, I'd say crack.
What a fucking waste of cocaine. :(
It's creepy on how correct Bob is in the above post.
But.. crack seems to be mostly a lower end drug from what I've experienced. Strangly enough, I've known more white crackheads than black ones, but then again, I never went into black communities to score drugs really.
- Arkans
Originally posted by hectomaner
Originally posted by SpunGirl
I realize crack is something easily found in underpriviledged "ghetto" areas populated by minorities, but it's also an alternative to meth for a lot of white trash pieces of shit.
-K
crack is EXTREMELY prominent in high class white society too ^ True. Cocaine is the "white man's crack" so to speak. So while it is definitely prevalent in certain black areas, it's close cousin is getting along equally well in some facets of upper class society.
hectomaner
12-06-2005, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by DeV
Originally posted by hectomaner
Originally posted by SpunGirl
I realize crack is something easily found in underpriviledged "ghetto" areas populated by minorities, but it's also an alternative to meth for a lot of white trash pieces of shit.
-K
crack is EXTREMELY prominent in high class white society too ^ True. Cocaine is the "white man's crack" so to speak. So while it is definitely prevalent in certain black areas, it's close cousin is getting along equally well in some facets of upper class society.
when i said crack, i meant just that. crack. NOT cocaine. crack.
Making crack from cocaine is ridiculously easy if you know anything at all about drugs. You really are talking about both when discussing crack at least.
- Arkans
Bobmuhthol
12-06-2005, 05:06 PM
<<So while it is definitely prevalent in certain black areas, it's close cousin is getting along equally well in some facets of upper class society.>>
Cocaine is far from a "close cousin" to crack. Crack is the fucking idiot's cocaine. It's far more unhealthy and far less pure. Who the fuck wants to smoke cocaine, water, and baking soda when they can just get the benefits of fucking cocaine?!?
The high is more intense from smoking crack and some people are just drawn to that. There is no "rush" when snorting coke.
- Arkans
hectomaner
12-06-2005, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<So while it is definitely prevalent in certain black areas, it's close cousin is getting along equally well in some facets of upper class society.>>
Cocaine is far from a "close cousin" to crack. Crack is the fucking idiot's cocaine. It's far more unhealthy and far less pure. Who the fuck wants to smoke cocaine, water, and baking soda when they can just get the benefits of fucking cocaine?!?
because crack high > cocaine high
I disgaree. I fucking hate smoking crack. It makes me jones like a fiend shortly after and you go through it way too fast, though I see why people do like it. Matter of opinion as to what is better or not.
- Arkans
Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Cocaine is far from a "close cousin" to crack. That's what I consider it. And mainly because of the smoked vs. non-smoked characteristics and the fact that one can be derived from the other.
Who the fuck wants to smoke cocaine, water, and baking soda when they can just get the benefits of fucking cocaine?!? I don't know but not me. That's for sure.
hectomaner
12-06-2005, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by DeV
Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Cocaine is far from a "close cousin" to crack. That's what I consider it. And mainly because of the smoked vs. non-smoked characteristics and the fact that one can be derived from the other.
Who the fuck wants to smoke cocaine, water, and baking soda when they can just get the benefits of fucking cocaine?!? I don't know but not me. That's for sure.
ahh, so you stick to the powder then?
Dang, it's that obvious.
But seriously, hell no. No hard drugs for me. Marijuana is as far as I'll ever go, save prescription drugs, if necessary.
Artha
12-06-2005, 05:24 PM
Who the fuck wants to smoke cocaine, water, and baking soda when they can just get the benefits of fucking cocaine?!?
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5623/992/320/tyrone_biggums.jpg
[i]Originally posted by hectomanercrack is EXTREMELY prominent in high class white society too
[Edited on 12-6-2005 by hectomaner]
Crack is prominent in high class white society? In 10 or so years of volunteering at detox/rehab facilities I have only met one high class white addict.
Bobmuhthol
12-06-2005, 10:28 PM
How many high class anyones do you see in rehab?
My guess is it's a very low number, but that doesn't mean that there aren't people doing drugs. They simply aren't in rehab.
Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
How many high class anyones do you see in rehab?
My guess is it's a very low number, but that doesn't mean that there aren't people doing drugs. They simply aren't in rehab.
Your right your average rehab clinic isn't filled with Doctors and Lawyers, Engineers and Accountants. Certainly not some of the Sally Ann ones I would volunteered at. I have done some volunteering at Homewood Clinic in Guelph. Betty Ford Clinic was modelled after Homewood. Homewood is a private hospital with an upscale clientele. Homewood has an arboretum, a bowling alley that looks the White House one, a Jacuzzi, and table service for all meals.
I have also been out on the town with business clients who like a few party favours but crack was never one of them.
I am not saying that affluent white professionals don’t do drugs, just not crack. White people do crack but most of them live in trailers.
[Edited on 12-7-2005 by xtc]
Latrinsorm
12-07-2005, 08:57 AM
Well the poor black people I hung out with didn't do crack either, so I guess no poor black people do crack, right xtc?
Warriorbird
12-07-2005, 11:48 AM
Crack is prominent in high class white society? In 10 or so years of volunteering at detox/rehab facilities I have only met one high class white addict.
Once again. Those people don't go to the sort of detox centers that require volunteers. They stay far fucking away. Trust me on this one.
CrystalTears
12-07-2005, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by Warriorbird
Crack is prominent in high class white society? In 10 or so years of volunteering at detox/rehab facilities I have only met one high class white addict.
Once again. Those people don't go to the sort of detox centers that require volunteers. They stay far fucking away. Trust me on this one.
QFT :thumbsup:
Brattt8525
12-07-2005, 11:51 AM
The most sobering point of all of this is not what color the family is but what damage and heartache would have been caused had that little child and the other kids gotten into the crack and consumed it.
Originally posted by Warriorbird
Crack is prominent in high class white society? In 10 or so years of volunteering at detox/rehab facilities I have only met one high class white addict.
Once again. Those people don't go to the sort of detox centers that require volunteers. They stay far fucking away. Trust me on this one. And I'm not sure how many high class rehab centers are actively seeking or accepting volunteers anyway. That would sort of defeat the purpose of a rich addict actually paying for the best help money can buy.
Skirmisher
12-07-2005, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by DeV
And I'm not sure how many high class rehab centers are actively seeking or accepting volunteers anyway. That would sort of defeat the purpose of a rich addict actually paying for the best help money can buy.
That and silence.
Leetahkin
12-07-2005, 12:47 PM
Mother Accused of Putting Infant in Dryer (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177914,00.html)
Warriorbird
12-07-2005, 01:34 PM
Man. All this stuff makes me thankful for having good parents.
Skirmisher
12-07-2005, 02:30 PM
Needle worthy indeed.
Yeah, it's true about the detox.
If I had went that route and let my familiy in on things I would have been sent to the best money could have provided. No way in hell would I go to any place that even somewhat considered volunteers.
- Arkans
Originally posted by Warriorbird
Crack is prominent in high class white society? In 10 or so years of volunteering at detox/rehab facilities I have only met one high class white addict.
Once again. Those people don't go to the sort of detox centers that require volunteers. They stay far fucking away. Trust me on this one.
Homewood is an upscale treatment centre. Betty Ford was modelled after it. My volunteering there was more because I know Dr. Graham Cunningham who is the Head Physician of the alcohol and drug treatment program at Homewood. I had to sign a confidentiality agreement. My duties were simply to drive their patients/clients to AA and NA meetings in the evenings. It was a quite a few years ago but once again I didn't see a single crack addict, lots of coke heads but no crack addicts. I am not saying they don't exist but they are rare.
Interesting enough today I spent the day at Women's College Hospital with a friend whose wife was getting a tumour removed today. He runs a social agency which has an outpatient drug/alcohol treatment program. We were discussing the treatment field today and because of this thread, I asked him how many high class crack addicts he has seen in 15 years of running his agency. His answer was very few and they weren't high class by the time they reached him. He is a lawyer by trade, so he has a diverse clientele including lawyers.
Again I am sure they exist, just not in large numbers.
Warriorbird
12-07-2005, 06:08 PM
It was a quite a few years ago
Killer Kitten
12-07-2005, 06:15 PM
Of course, strangers butting their heads into people's business should also be shot.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163844,00.html
These people lost custody of their children for months and were falsely imprisoned because some idiot at the photo booth misinterpreted a tender moment between father and child.
Caiylania
12-07-2005, 06:27 PM
That is beyond retarded. Poor parents and kids :(
Kainen
12-07-2005, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by Killer Kitten
Of course, strangers butting their heads into people's business should also be shot.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163844,00.html
These people lost custody of their children for months and were falsely imprisoned because some idiot at the photo booth misinterpreted a tender moment between father and child.
I disagree. While this incident sucks for the family there are times when things reported by strangers save the lives of children. Unfortunately stuff like this is bound to happen.
Snapp
12-07-2005, 06:47 PM
I feel like there has to be more to the story then that. I don't see how a father kissing his newborn on the belly button can be mistaken for sexual assault.
Bobmuhthol
12-07-2005, 07:07 PM
<<I don't see how a father kissing his newborn on the belly button can be mistaken for sexual assault.>>
Expert: says that's exactly what happened.
Minimum wage photo developer in a drug store: agrees with you.
I say the expert winz. This is also a really good reason not to take film pictures.
Originally posted by Warriorbird
It was a quite a few years ago
Absolutely true but you failed to quote the part about how I spent yesterday with a friend who runs an outpatient treatment program that caters to many lawyers and he has seen very few "high class" crack addicts.
<<I say the expert winz. This is also a really good reason not to take film pictures.>>
lol.
Warriorbird
12-09-2005, 07:22 AM
an outpatient treatment program that caters to many lawyers and he has seen very few "high class" crack addicts.
Typically, if a rich person's going to use crack, they're generally not a professional type. Using crack when you're loaded is more a rebellious, "I'm so bad." type of statement. The two extremely wealthy people I know that used (one older, one younger)...one was in school, the other was a trophy wife.
Again, my experience is limited to knowing a couple people. With that said, I know a couple people.
[Edited on 12-9-2005 by Warriorbird]
Originally posted by xtc
Originally posted by Warriorbird
It was a quite a few years ago
Absolutely true but you failed to quote the part about how I spent yesterday with a friend who runs an outpatient treatment program that caters to many lawyers and he has seen very few "high class" crack addicts. I'm glad your friend doesn't know many lawyers who smoke crack in his line of work. As a whole, their vices are known to be very different in nature. Alcoholism, cocaine, etc... I'm thinking there aren't many who smoke herion either, for that matter. Out of sight does not necessarily equate to out of mind in these scenarios though. It happens, and not the staggering numbers seen coming out of lower income areas, but poor people aren't the only ones keeping the crack trade alive and very well.
Leetahkin
03-30-2006, 12:53 PM
Mom takes cash for son's abuse (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189665,00.html)
NEW PORT RICHEY, Fla. — A mother confronted a neighbor who allegedly raped her 7-year-old son and threatened to call police, but reportedly accepted $600 to let the man molest her son again, Florida authorities said.
The 30-year-old unemployed mother was charged Tuesday with capital sexual battery and child abuse. The neighbor, Nicholas Quiles, 48, has been charged with capital sexual battery. Both are being held without bail. It couldn't immediately be determined Thursday if they had lawyers.
The sexual assaults happened the first two weeks of February, Lt. Jeffrey Harrington said.
The boy told his 11-year-old sister that Quiles did "bad things to him," detectives said. An anonymous tip led investigators to the neighbor and mother.
"There are definitely oddities to this case," Harrington said. "I hope we never have to investigate anything like this again."
Apathy
03-30-2006, 01:26 PM
next time make your own thread instead of bumping one almost 4 months old ty.
Leetahkin
03-30-2006, 01:32 PM
People complain when new threads are started anew when an older one should have been used.
People complain when old threads are bumped to avoid starting new ones.
:shrug:
Duly noted you're the latter, but won't change what I do :)
Skirmisher
03-30-2006, 01:42 PM
Another parent who deserves to be killed.
That poor poor child. To be betrayed so.
How very depressing.
And completely on topic so ignore Apathy's complaint in this particular case.
Myshel
03-30-2006, 03:40 PM
I don't mean to be rude...but fuck that question.
;)
Given the number of white people who cook meth with children in the house...I don't think it has that much of a point. The issue is parental stupidity.
Oprah did a whole hour on the meth epidemic and every single one of them was white. soccer moms some living in 1/2 million $ homes, and one of the dealers said he mostly dealt with upper income families, lawyers, doctors, ect.
Skeeter
03-30-2006, 04:27 PM
well fuck, if it was on Oprah it must be true. She would never lie to her legions of sheep.
Jolena
03-30-2006, 04:29 PM
While I agree that Oprah does some pretty commercialized things, I find that more often than not, the stories she reports on have a great deal of truth to them. :shrug:
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