Pure Empath Hunting

[Renian]

So, I want to start having Tiad hunt, as it's a bit annoying to have to rely on others for your experience. The problem is that his mana and his CS lacks for killing a large amount of things, even with Sign of Wracking.

So, the question really is...at what level can an average empath reliably hunt?

EDIT: I should probably mention that he's going to hunt purely by casting.

[Edited on 11-27-2005 by Renian]

[StrayRogue]

I personally think anyone that believe paladins to be "teh uber" is incapable of hunting an empath.

[The Cat In The Hat]

Originally posted by Renian
So, I want to start having Tiad hunt, as it's a bit annoying to have to rely on others for your experience. The problem is that his mana and his CS lacks for killing a large amount of things, even with Sign of Wracking.

So, the question really is...at what level can an average empath reliably hunt?

EDIT: I should probably mention that he's going to hunt purely by casting.

[Edited on 11-27-2005 by Renian]

Empaths can hunt relaibly at level 0 - 100... Never had a problem with mine and I have a level 100 caster and a level 21 OHE user.


As far as my caster this is what I did. She's an excellent skinner on top of having a 480 CS in the empath circle.

Just make sure you watch your magic ranks per training and dont let them drop below 9, 12 is the max benifit of the stave DS bonus.

Armor Use..........................| 6 ranks if you only want to wear leather
Physical Fitness...................| 24 ranks if you only want to max out HP
Arcane Symbols.....................| 1x
Magic Item Use.....................| 1x
Spell Aiming.......................| 2x
Harness Power......................| 2x
Spirit Mana Control................| 1x
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| .5x
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| I have 61 ranks and do fine
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| .5x
Survival...........................| 1x
Perception.........................| 10
Climbing...........................| 30
Swimming...........................| 30
First Aid..........................| 3x
Trading............................| 1x

Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| .5x

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| .5x

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 1.5x

[Jolena]

I have a empath that is level 37 and she hunts. However, I did train her in brawling for the DS benefits. She very rarely swings a thing and doesn't have to have her weapon out at all. She normally just shatters everything that she hunt. The brawling allows her to have decent DS though. I should also mention she is trained to use a shield if she wants but has enough magical ranks to just use a runestaff is she wanted as well. I love the diversity she has. Much props to Chica for my training plan with her. :heart:

[Renian]

Empaths can hunt relaibly at level 0 - 100... Never had a problem with mine and I have a level 100 caster and a level 21 OHE user.

What were you hunting at about level 14 with your caster? Also, were you able to get fried? That's my real difficulty.


I personally think anyone that believe paladins to be "teh uber" is incapable of hunting an empath.

They're pretty broken from what I hear. Then again, that's just what I hear, and that's really all I'm going off of.

[Edited on 11-27-2005 by Renian]

[StrayRogue]

How are you hunting? Spells or with a weapon?

[Renian]

...

EDIT: I should probably mention that he's going to hunt purely by casting.

[StrayRogue]

...

Are you a staff user or brawl/shielder who casts?

[Renian]

Staff.

[Drew2]

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat

Armor Use..........................| 6 ranks if you only want to wear leather
Physical Fitness...................| 24 ranks if you only want to max out HP
Arcane Symbols.....................| 1x
Magic Item Use.....................| 1x
Spell Aiming.......................| 2x
Harness Power......................| 2x
Spirit Mana Control................| 1x
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| .5x
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| I have 61 ranks and do fine
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| .5x
Survival...........................| 1x
Perception.........................| 10
Climbing...........................| 30
Swimming...........................| 30
First Aid..........................| 3x
Trading............................| 1x

Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| .5x

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| .5x

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 1.5x

That would be a supurb plan if it wasn't complete crap.

[B2]

Just play around until you find something that works with your hunting style.

Bone shatter works much better against niirsha than crazed zombies, and better against wood wights than rotting woodsmen. If you approach them knowing that, your mana goes much farther.

My THW empath hunted the Weald by shattering niirsha, and doing a 111/sword combo with the zombies. If she didn't fry off one head of mana, I wracked and just went after niirsha, or or sucked it up and shattered the zombies.

My pure empath was struggling with krolvin (miserably) until I tried vereri one day. She never had a problem frying in vereri, which responded much better to shatter. Now she doesn't have a problem frying off zombies, though, but she gets the third flare much more often than my swinger.

But for either healer, if I time something wrong, they will most likely die. I try not to get too cocky.

[Czeska]

A lot of healers find it easier to hunt with a blade til title or so. It's just easier than running out of mana.

Also, I never bothered with survival, I'm a bit over 2x FA at this point, and it's very rare I miss a skin. I'd rather have extra tp's than the increase in skin value.

Plus, I have 35 armor ranks and wear brig. Saves my ass over and over.

[StrayRogue]

I'd personally use wands until I had the mana to be able to fry from pure spell casting.

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I personally think anyone that believe paladins to be "teh uber" is incapable of hunting an empath.

I do both, so :raspberry: LOL.

Finis

[StrayRogue]

Hunting a character without MA's is a whole different ballgame.

[FinisWolf]

My 43 empath does great, the 46 empath the house has rocks, and the 46 empath I sold did great.

NONE of them were really mana dependent until about train 35ish (using wracking). Before that, there just was not enough mana.

As already pointed out, wands are a great help. Though as soon as 3 of the 4 of these empaths hit 40, they were converted to be built for one thing only, and thats boneshatter.

Finis

[The Cat In The Hat]

Originally posted by Tayre

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat

Armor Use..........................| 6 ranks if you only want to wear leather
Physical Fitness...................| 24 ranks if you only want to max out HP
Arcane Symbols.....................| 1x
Magic Item Use.....................| 1x
Spell Aiming.......................| 2x
Harness Power......................| 2x
Spirit Mana Control................| 1x
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| .5x
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| I have 61 ranks and do fine
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| .5x
Survival...........................| 1x
Perception.........................| 10
Climbing...........................| 30
Swimming...........................| 30
First Aid..........................| 3x
Trading............................| 1x

Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| .5x

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| .5x

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 1.5x

That would be a supurb plan if it wasn't complete crap.


And it's crap why? I managed to do it and yes, it is a good plan, thanks

[Jolena]

I will chime in here that although my empath is a brawl/shield user who casts, she did much better when hunting in group to save on the mana. Of course, I could always pull out the fist-scythe if I needed to and she kicked ass that way too, but if I wanted to purely hunt with shatter, I did need to be with others so she didn't have to kill it all by herself. :shrug:

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Hunting a character without MA's is a whole different ballgame.

All my empaths hunt on their own spells.

Finis

[FinisWolf]

I agree Jolena, hunting empaths at younger trains is ALOT easier when in groups.

Finis

[ElanthianSiren]

My empath has never had a problem hunting ten levels over her head. Granted, I don't play a lot anymore, so she is still in her 30s, but she can hunt Trali.

With a group, she can do Wyneb.

I use 111 a lot. Personally, I tend to avoid 1106. I'm not very fond of CS spells; though she is trained to use it, I still prefer bolt spells.

-M

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by FinisWolf

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Hunting a character without MA's is a whole different ballgame.

All my empaths hunt on their own spells.

Finis

So it was my imagination seeing you use Filswolf to spell them up?

[AnticorRifling]

I was building my empath for boneshatter, shield + brawl for open hand casting. That and skinning. 3x FA 1x survival 2x trade 100 inf and elf for sale bonus in Illistim.

I think he's like lvl 18 so if you want to skip the real early lvls I'd let you have him.

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by FinisWolf

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Hunting a character without MA's is a whole different ballgame.

All my empaths hunt on their own spells.

Finis

So it was my imagination seeing you use Filswolf to spell them up?

You have never seen Filswolf spellup "my" empaths. My Fiance'es empath are another story.

:grin:

Not to mention, anyone can get the spells that I do give my other chars.

Finis

[Miss X]

If you want your Empath to rock, you need to do two things:

Re roll as a Halfling (optional but strongly recommended!!)
Ask me for my training plan.

[Janarth]

I've had limited experience with casting empaths, but I've found their abilities fairly awe inspiring (with 1106 and 1110). Give them some armor training and some FBG and they are damn near unstoppable. The amount of killing a capped empath can inflict is downright scary; I've not been able to experience the mana shortage of younger paths, but those capped paths seem like they can run around OTF all day long killing and maiming to their heart's content.

[Gan]

If you're intent on staying runestaff/pure then I'd recommend using wands as a backup when you run out of mana. That should get you over the hump. You could use Chica's method (I do) and go brawl/shield and add voln fu to your arsenal and just go crazy hunting undead until you build up your mana supply and CS appropriately.

Another route is going shield/ohe during the younger years when mana and CS is an issue. Then fixskill back to runestaff when you hit your 30's and have the mana supply to use 111/1110/1106 as your primary means of attack.

My younger empath days were GS3 so I didnt have the luxury of having 1106/1110 to use. So I made my empath a giant and went the shield/ohe route. Hunting supplimenting with healing when needed helped keep his mind full fairly regularly.

[Nilandia]

My Plat empath converted to GS4 as level 7 and I put her into a runestaff immediately. 7-10, I had her running around in rats whacking them with her staff.

Since then, I've relied heavily on wands/scrolls/mana from friends. She doesn't hunt by choice, but she's 24 now and potentially devastating. I have no doubt she'd be great to hunt with if she decided to.

Gretchen

[Renian]

Thanks for your input everyone.

[Nilandia]

My current Empath's build at level 24. Currently working on building up her empath spells and telepathy.



Name: Nilandia Liserna Race: Sylvankind Profession: Empath (shown as: Botanist)
Gender: Female Age: 28 Expr: 703970 Level: 24
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 97 (23) ... 97 (23)
Constitution (CON): 41 (-4) ... 41 (-4)
Dexterity (DEX): 85 (27) ... 85 (27)
Agility (AGI): 44 (2) ... 44 (2)
Discipline (DIS): 75 (7) ... 75 (7)
Aura (AUR): 68 (14) ... 68 (14)
Logic (LOG): 79 (14) ... 79 (14)
Intuition (INT): 86 (18) ... 86 (18)
Wisdom (WIS): 92 (21) ... 97 (23)
Influence (INF): 100 (25) ... 105 (27)
Mana: 109 Silver: 400

Level 0 Stats for Nilandia, Sylvankind Empath

Strength (STR): 96
Constitution (CON): 21
Dexterity (DEX): 78
Agility (AGI): 23
Discipline (DIS): 67
Aura (AUR): 56
Logic (LOG): 68
Intuition (INT): 79
Wisdom (WIS): 80
Influence (INF): 92

Nilandia (at level 24), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Physical Fitness...................| 105 25
Arcane Symbols.....................| 105 25
Magic Item Use.....................| 150 50
Spell Aiming.......................| 150 50
Harness Power......................| 150 50
Mental Mana Control................| 105 25
Spirit Mana Control................| 105 25
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 105 25
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 96 22
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 15 3
Climbing...........................| 30 6
First Aid..........................| 175 75

Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| 11

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 16

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 25

Gretchen

[Nilandia]

An alternate build I have with Nilandia in Prime. Again, building up empath spells and telepathy. I went up the spirit circles for fogging spells.



Name: Nilandia Liserna Race: Sylvankind Profession: Empath (not shown)
Gender: Female Age: 49 Expr: 2329127 Level: 47
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 97 (23) ... 97 (23)
Constitution (CON): 52 (1) ... 52 (1)
Dexterity (DEX): 91 (30) ... 91 (30)
Agility (AGI): 55 (7) ... 55 (7)
Discipline (DIS): 84 (12) ... 84 (12)
Aura (AUR): 78 (19) ... 78 (19)
Logic (LOG): 84 (17) ... 84 (17)
Intuition (INT): 91 (20) ... 91 (20)
Wisdom (WIS): 99 (24) ... 99 (24)
Influence (INF): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Mana: 197 Silver: 0

Level 0 Stats for Nilandia, Sylvankind Empath

Strength (STR): 94
Constitution (CON): 21
Dexterity (DEX): 79
Agility (AGI): 23
Discipline (DIS): 70
Aura (AUR): 59
Logic (LOG): 65
Intuition (INT): 79
Wisdom (WIS): 80
Influence (INF): 90

Nilandia (at level 47), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Physical Fitness...................| 148 48
Arcane Symbols.....................| 196 96
Magic Item Use.....................| 196 96
Spell Aiming.......................| 196 96
Harness Power......................| 196 96
Spirit Mana Control................| 148 48
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 148 48
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 140 40
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 35 7
Climbing...........................| 70 15
Swimming...........................| 70 15
First Aid..........................| 244 144

Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| 25

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 30

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 42

Gretchen

[Nilandia]

One last build. My higher level empath. I'm pondering fiddling with his training, but I'm not sure how as yet. Maybe dumping some magic into armor.



Race: Sylvankind Profession: Empath
Gender: Male Age: 100 Expr: 5909077 Level: 84
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 97 (23) ... 97 (23)
Constitution (CON): 66 (8) ... 66 (8)
Dexterity (DEX): 94 (32) ... 94 (32)
Agility (AGI): 69 (14) ... 69 (14)
Discipline (DIS): 92 (16) ... 92 (16)
Aura (AUR): 89 (24) ... 89 (24)
Logic (LOG): 99 (24) ... 99 (24)
Intuition (INT): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Wisdom (WIS): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Influence (INF): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Mana: 347 Silver: 0

Level 0 Stats for XXXXXXXX, Sylvankind Empath

Strength (STR): 90
Constitution (CON): 21
Dexterity (DEX): 70
Agility (AGI): 21
Discipline (DIS): 67
Aura (AUR): 56
Logic (LOG): 68
Intuition (INT): 89
Wisdom (WIS): 86
Influence (INF): 92

XXXXXXXX (at level 84), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24
Arcane Symbols.....................| 270 170
Magic Item Use.....................| 270 170
Spell Aiming.......................| 270 170
Harness Power......................| 270 170
Elemental Mana Control.............| 102 24
Spirit Mana Control................| 185 85
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 185 85
Mental Lore - Divination...........| 50 10
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 150 50
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 105 25
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30
First Aid..........................| 355 255

Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| 25

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 60

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 85

Gretchen

[Czeska]

I've never regretted putting the points into armor. 35 ranks for brig and never looked back, thankyouverymuch.

Only problem I had is going to the Bowels of Thanatoph... with the brig still in my pack from casting guards off a scroll in the park the night before.

Yes, the "duh" factor was pretty high on that one. :oops:

[Miss X]

Yeah seriously.. Any Empath who hunts and doesnt wear brig is stupid.

[Jolena]

:lolwave: Guess I'm stupid then! My empath, who is 37 now, doesn't wear brig yet. It's a goal I have to put her into brig, but for now, no, she is not. :D

[Miss X]

Eeep, I mean when you CAN! I didn't have Chica in brig at 37! :heart:

[Czeska]

I didn't get into brig til maybe mid 40's. I wore padded doubles til then, and then pumped a ton of tp's into armor all at once. Just worked out.

I also didn't get tons of FA at younger age. The skins then weren't worth it to me, so I waited until they were, and I had things like armor, climb, swim, etc. all finished, then caught up on FA. It's nice, now that skins are worth picking up.

[Jolena]

I've actualy managed to single in climbing/swimming (alternating) with my empath and triple in first aid (for Shatter and skins purposes). I also single in manipulation but haven't put a single rank into any other lores. I just don't see the need to worry right now over making her healing RT lower but I'll probably dump some points into it much later on.

The other thing I'm doing with her is that I stopped mana control ranks in spiritual at 30 and am now singling in mana control elemental each train until I can get my max share percentage there as well. I do plan this next train however to dump some more points into armor for her so that she can get out of doubles soon.

[Mellie]

Originally posted by Miss X
Yeah seriously.. Any Empath who hunts and doesnt wear brig is stupid.

uhh my 84 train empath doesn't wear brig, she does just fine. Her DS is so high she rarely gets hit, so whereas I see the pluses to the points put into armor, I didn't need them. She wears padded doubles.

[Miss X]

Originally posted by Mellie

Originally posted by Miss X
Yeah seriously.. Any Empath who hunts and doesnt wear brig is stupid.

uhh my 84 train empath doesn't wear brig, she does just fine. Her DS is so high she rarely gets hit, so whereas I see the pluses to the points put into armor, I didn't need them. She wears padded doubles.


That's fine. Are you being picked up and dropped by War Griffins yet though? I'd say that to be very effective in OTF proper, you need brig.

[Mellie]

She was picked up by a Griffin a couple times, dropped and wasn't hurt. Obviously that's not going to be the norm I'm sure, but I haven't seen a reason to make a change yet.

[Miss X]

Oh Jolena, just FYI. I did some testing when we had all of those fix skills due to the ambush bug... I found no difference between being 3x first aid and being 2x first aid in terms of bone shatter. Mild difference with skinning but nothing significant.

I also tested 1x manip vx 0.8x manip and I noticed no difference there either. Was trying to optimise training. :)

[Jolena]

Originally posted by Miss X
Oh Jolena, just FYI. I did some testing when we had all of those fix skills due to the ambush bug... I found no difference between being 3x first aid and being 2x first aid in terms of bone shatter. Mild difference with skinning but nothing significant.

I also tested 1x manip vx 0.8x manip and I noticed no difference there either. Was trying to optimise training. :)

Woah, seriously? Hmmm..I might have to actually utilize a fix skills then and switch some stuff around so I can add more points into armor. Wheee!

[Miss X]

Yep, I mean I went from 303 to 202 ranks of first aid, and from 100 to 80 ranks of manipulation so the difference might be more dramatic at lower levels. I was able to raise my CS a bit with the extra points which was more useful. :)

[Jolena]

Welp, just tried that theory out and here's what the training looks like now. I'll post if something goes crazily wrong while hunting after lowering FA to 2x and Manipulation to .8x I didn't lose too many ranks of manipulation to be honest. It's my FA that I dropped a bunch in. However, I've usually got at least 80 points left over each train to play with so if I need to, I can bump it back up.

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 90 20
Shield Use.........................| 136 38
Brawling...........................| 136 38
Physical Fitness...................| 105 25
Arcane Symbols.....................| 86 19
Magic Item Use.....................| 86 19
Harness Power......................| 155 55
Elemental Mana Control.............| 40 8
Spirit Mana Control................| 120 30
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 122 31
Perception.........................| 102 24
Climbing...........................| 105 25
Swimming...........................| 62 13
First Aid..........................| 176 76

Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| 25

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 19

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 37

[Gan]

Thats an interesting note on the first aid Chica. I finally got Jaken back to 303 ranks. I'm still frustrated by the fact that griffen talons arent as valuable as they have been in the past. Have they been nerfed? Its almost to the point where I would reduce back to 202 FA and put the points in some lore, a few more ranks of CM and then spells.

My CS is 475, I'd like it to be above 480. I do love having the CM ranks though for avoiding a majority of the guild tricks of the scouts, jannisarys, and gremlocks. And I have noticed a difference in a reduction of hard rt from griffen screeches with more ranks of CM added.

I wish there was some hard research done on first aid and the effects it has on boneshatter. I know there's a significant difference in using an open hand vs. having something in both hands. I also have not tested more aggressive stances much because I have not noticed that big a difference when I follow up 1110 with 1106 while in offensive.

[Miss X]

From what I have read, first aid helps you get more insta-kills with bone shatter. Quite honestly, I don't notice getting significantly less of those with 202 ranks.

I have a 489CS now, Im using all my post cap TP's to build it up to 500 so I can hunt the 100+ hunting ground when it comes out. I don't have much of a problem with DS so I'd rather work on CS so I can wreck everything! ;)

[Czeska]

What CMs are you training in, Ganalon?

[FinisWolf]

Well, I am loving my CS. At my low-end train, 222 seems pretty nice. I am in fact utilizing some of Chica's plan, and do in fact plan on moving into brig by 60ish, however until then, I will sit where I am, and use a fixskills when I get there. Current ass-kicking plan:

(at level 43), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Shield Use.........................| 145 45
Physical Fitness...................| 105 25
Harness Power......................| 190 90
Spirit Mana Control................| 105 25
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 145 45
Perception.........................| 105 25
Climbing...........................| 105 25
Swimming...........................| 120 30
First Aid..........................| 235 135

Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| 25

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 40

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 49

I am very interested in what Jolena discovers with her empath, because to be able to drop to 2X FA would be a HUGE amount of TP's that I could invest in even more empath circle spell ranks, and perhaps move into brig faster.

Please keep us updated Jolena.

As an aside, you can clearly see my empath is NOT built for a rune staff, yet thats what he uses, and his self fully-spelled DS has never dropped below HIGH 400's in guarded. I never take him out of that stance as I have no need to, his mana is fairly high, and with being able to wrack twice (usually only need to once), he fries very easily.

Finis

[Czeska]

I can't imagine not having trans. lores. For healing RT.. and for 1110.

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by Czeska
I can't imagine not having trans. lores. For healing RT.. and for 1110.

I do my best NOT to heal. He is built to shatter, and shatter is exactly what he does. :-)

Finis

[Czeska]

"and for 1110"

[Gan]

Originally posted by Czeska
What CMs are you training in, Ganalon?

Since I'm brawling/shield its useless to train in weapon disarm so I'm currently studying dirt kick. I recommend weapon disarm if you're walking around OTF with a blade in your hand.

CM's available for empaths currently suck.

[Gan]

Originally posted by Miss X
From what I have read, first aid helps you get more insta-kills with bone shatter. Quite honestly, I don't notice getting significantly less of those with 202 ranks.

I have a 489CS now, Im using all my post cap TP's to build it up to 500 so I can hunt the 100+ hunting ground when it comes out. I don't have much of a problem with DS so I'd rather work on CS so I can wreck everything! ;)

Interesting. That might be something I would consider revising to get my CM to 25 ranks, add the Telepathy lore for the added 1110 cycles, and to help bring up my CS another 25 points to 500.

I'm still going to keep my healing rt to 0 (physical rt) because thats imperative to have when attempting to hunt after you've been hit.

[FinisWolf]

Lets say one dropped to 2X FA, how much telepathy does one need to drop to that zero RT? (If its also level based, let's say at 50/75/100)

Finis

[Gan]

Transformation drops the healing rt. I know at 100 you need 48 ranks.

[Jolena]

See, I chose not to worry about transformation ranks because right now I don't care how long it takes me to heal myself down. I don't normally heal while I'm hunting because I rarely get hit while I'm out there. I also do not utilize 1110 at all, so its pointless for me to worry about that either. However, as most other things I'm probably going to dump some points into it in the future just for shits and giggles.

And I'll post some results after I've hunted with her in EN for a bit having just 2x FA and .8x manipulation lores.

[FinisWolf]

Thanks for the info Ganalon.

Thanks Jolena.

Finis

[Czeska]

Originally posted by Jolena
I also do not utilize 1110 at all, so its pointless for me to worry about that either.

:TWITCHES VIOLENTLY:

[Gan]

1110 as a singularly effective hunting spell, I'm not hugely impressed with. I think if you have your telepathy lore up enough to have it cycle 4 times its a nice spell. However, the time between the cycles is a factor just to be standing there.

I've found that as I'm working a swarm, I can throw 1110 on one of the targets, bone shatter a few more, then throw in a 111 fire spirit to watch the splash jump to several of the remaining targets.

I suppose it all depends on your threat identification strategy and how you hunt.

[Czeska]

I have 20 ranks of telepathy, therefore 4 cycles total. It works great in swarms, cause while I'm firing at Stone Critter number 3, number one is still being blasted. I also like when the critter walks into another room and the next cycle hits, and it dies :)

Add to that the fact that some things are immune to shatter, and, for me, my bolt AS is high enough to allow me to hunt things with 1110 that I couldn't hit with my CS.

[heisagoalie]

how can your bolt AS only be "high enough"? My empath at 38 throws down a 286 AS bolt, and with 117 and madness, over 400! to me, thats teh freak nasty. doubling Spell aim with all the AS adders makes empaths way nastier than a wizard

[Czeska]

My empath's bolt AS is fine, thanks :) Was a general point.

[Killer Kitten]

I totally diversified my empath. 1x brawl, OHE and shield, 2x spell aim, Voln so I could use Fu.

She wasn't Elanthia's greatest anything, but she was good enough to hunt most areas solo and everywhere else with friends.

Since I only really enjoyed hunting when I was with friends it wasn't much of an issue for me. I haven't played in over a year, though, and have no idea what I'd do if I decided to play again.

Probably just die a lot. Stupid hands... heh.

[Jolena]

You channel at a kiramon worker.
You concentrate intently on a kiramon worker, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +177 - TD: +142 + CvA: +25 + d100: +56 == +116
Warding failed!
The kiramon worker shudders with sporadic convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop its body.
The kiramon worker is smashed for 39 points of damage!
... 25 points of damage!
Nice blow to chest!
The kiramon worker is stunned!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.


You channel at a kiramon worker.
You concentrate intently on a kiramon worker, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +177 - TD: +142 + CvA: +25 + d100: +90 == +150
Warding failed!
The kiramon worker shudders with sporadic convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop its body.
The kiramon worker is crushed for 64 points of damage!
... 35 points of damage!
Strong blow to back!
The kiramon worker is stunned!
... 25 points of damage!
Nice blow to neck!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.


You channel at a kiramon worker.
You concentrate intently on a kiramon worker, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +177 - TD: +142 + CvA: +25 + d100: +56 == +116
Warding failed!
The kiramon worker shudders with sporadic convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop its body.
The kiramon worker is smashed for 46 points of damage!
... 20 points of damage!
Blow to neck tears tissue.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.


You channel at a kiramon worker.
You concentrate intently on a kiramon worker, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +177 - TD: +142 + CvA: +25 + d100: +84 == +144
Warding failed!
The kiramon worker shudders with sporadic convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop its body.
The kiramon worker is crushed for 61 points of damage!
... 30 points of damage!
Good blow to right arm!
The kiramon worker is stunned!
... 35 points of damage!
Strong blow to abdomen!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.


You channel at a kiramon worker.
You concentrate intently on a kiramon worker, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +177 - TD: +142 + CvA: +25 + d100: +48 == +108
Warding failed!
The internal skeletal structure of a kiramon worker implodes inward upon itself, leaving behind no support for its body or life. The kiramon worker falls to the floor in a lifeless mass of flesh and fractured bones.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.


You channel at a kiramon worker.
You concentrate intently on a kiramon worker, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +177 - TD: +142 + CvA: +25 + d100: +99 == +159
Warding failed!
The kiramon worker shudders with severe convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop its body.
The kiramon worker is crushed for 65 points of damage!
... 35 points of damage!
Strong blow breaks neck!
The kiramon worker falls back into a heap and dies.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.


You channel at a kiramon defender.
You concentrate intently on a kiramon defender, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +177 - TD: +155 + CvA: +25 + d100: +69 == +116
Warding failed!
The kiramon defender shudders with sporadic convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop its body.
The kiramon defender is smashed for 39 points of damage!
... 25 points of damage!
Nice blow to right leg!
The kiramon defender is stunned!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.


You channel at a kiramon defender.
You concentrate intently on a kiramon defender, and a pulse of pearlescent energy ripples toward it!
CS: +177 - TD: +155 + CvA: +25 + d100: +80 == +127
Warding failed!
The kiramon defender shudders with sporadic convulsions as pearlescent ripples envelop its body.
The kiramon defender is smashed for 48 points of damage!
... 20 points of damage!
Blow connects right below right eye!
The kiramon defender is stunned!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

that's a few clips from a hunt I did in EN with her. She had quite a few more insta kills but I didnt see the need to post those too. I didn't really see any difference between the way she did damage before and how she does it now. :shrug:

[Dwarven Empath]

"If you want your Empath to rock, you need to do two things:

Re roll as a Halfling (optional but strongly recommended!!)
Ask me for my training plan. "

I know you mean't dwarf right?

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[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Ganalon

Originally posted by Czeska
What CMs are you training in, Ganalon?

Since I'm brawling/shield its useless to train in weapon disarm so I'm currently studying dirt kick. I recommend weapon disarm if you're walking around OTF with a blade in your hand.

CM's available for empaths currently suck.

And they always will. Feel lucky that you have access to any at all.

[Gan]

Equal rights for Empaths!

Equal rights for Empaths!

Equal rights for Empaths!

[FinisWolf]

Cool, thanks Jolena. I think I am sold. Dropping to 2x FA is going to give me oodles of points. YAY!

Finis