425 vs Redux

[Kitsun]

Alright, my rogue has an oddball training path. Currently he's in full plate with like 18 spell ranks.

Should I cut back to 414 and 101 and throw the rest into AS/MIU OR should I go for 425? I suppose I don't really need the extra AS, but it'd put my AS at really nifty numbers. Is my redux taking an incredible beating because of these spells?

I was actually considering using post-cap points to work my way up to 120 too.

[Hulkein]

I have a magical rogue too... Mind posting your level and training so I can see what you're doing?

If I were you, I'd stop at 414/103 then put the rest in phyicals.

Here is mine, thinking about tweaking it when I get to a high enough level to be fully trained in hauberk.

(at level 43), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 130 35
Shield Use.........................| 145 45
Combat Maneuvers...................| 167 67
Edged Weapons......................| 190 90
Ambush.............................| 190 90
Physical Fitness...................| 155 55
Dodging............................| 190 90
Harness Power......................| 70 15
Stalking and Hiding................| 190 90
Perception.........................| 145 45
Climbing...........................| 78 17
Swimming...........................| 78 17
Pickpocketing......................| 190 90

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 14
Training Points: 20 Phy 0 Mnt (384 Phy converted to Mnt)

[Kitsun]

(at level 92), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 240 140
Ranged Weapons.....................| 288 188
Ambush.............................| 288 188
Physical Fitness...................| 217 117
Dodging............................| 288 188
Harness Power......................| 90 20
Disarming Traps....................| 382 282
Picking Locks......................| 382 282
Stalking and Hiding................| 194 94
Perception.........................| 288 188
Climbing...........................| 150 50
Swimming...........................| 150 50

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 17

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 1
Training Points: 222 Phy 218 Mnt


I went more HP rather than AS/MIU because while it was more expensive, my rogue doesn't bother with trinkets. More mana means I can keep my lores up when picking and don't have to watch for my signs.

Up until OTF, torso chain did me well. I was fully trained in hiding though. The chain really didn't cut it behind the barrier where things kept clipping 30-40 HP off a shot so I fixskilled away the hiding to 1x and dragged in some spells and fullplate.

[Bobmuhthol]

At 92, you can have 4 free spells without redux. With 425, you'd have 21 spells counting against you. It's impossible to have redux with 2x spells. Many 1x characters have exceptional redux. It won't hurt you *that* badly.

Shay had up to 407, level 64, didn't train intensively in physical skills, and still had 50% redux. You should be fine.

[Mobius1]

Yeah, 425 will hardly do jack to your redux. But why the hell are you in fullplate? You should drop down to hauberk so you can ewave.

[Kitsun]

Thanks for the spells vs redux advise. Post-cap I'll be runnng my ass to 120 and 425.

When I first hunted the ducts in torso chain, my ass got beat to all hell. This was likely a number of factors including I couldn't isolate single creatures because there were like five groups down there all the time. But I fixskilled to MBP, loved it, then did a point dump into fullplate.

Way down the road I'll probably get more armor ranks and see if I can cast in that.

[Mobius1]

How's your Physical Fitness? Damage is never much of a problem for me, and I've been wearing double chain, with good redux.

But ewave is sooo useful to me, cause I can take on more than one critter without getting hit once.

Also, once you get more spell ranks, you can hunt with higher DS, which means you'll take even less damage.

[Latrinsorm]

MnE hindrance cannot be trained to the minimum. I don't know the formula for exactly how much more you'll get at 300 ranks, but it'll be more than 22%.

MnS can be trained down to 20% failure rate at 290 ranks, but I can't think of any 100s you'd want to cast in combat anyway besides 108.

[Mobius1]

And a rogue can only get 200 ranks, so it's even worse.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
MnE hindrance cannot be trained to the minimum. I don't know the formula for exactly how much more you'll get at 300 ranks, but it'll be more than 22%.

MnS can be trained down to 20% failure rate at 290 ranks, but I can't think of any 100s you'd want to cast in combat anyway besides 108.


117.



You could probably train MnE to minimum in MBP (not sure, haven't looked at the numbers) which might be a good compromise.

[Sean of the Thread]

I'd say if your goal is 425/120 then do it. To me the 414 rogues are just plain dumb.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Drew
117.Yeah I can see that.

MBP is 210 for each circle.

[Atlanteax]

I got 202 armor ranks (the max for a rogue) and I deal with 24% hindrance, which is acceptable.

I currently know 120 and 402.

Am 2x in CM, Armor, Dodge, and PT. Going to spend the MTs on going all the way to 430 (will take a long time), and the PTs on bringing up shields to 2x.

After I get 430, then it'll be 3x-ing Dodge.

[Latrinsorm]

Is that in MBP, Atlanteax?

[Atlanteax]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Is that in MBP, Atlanteax?

Yes.

At the last Simucon, when Warden was talking about the three new hunting areas, and the one involving 130-ish critters...

... I asked if they were going to consider raising the lev cap to like 105 or so (which made some sense with the new higher-lev areas)

Was not going to happen.

.

Need to be 104 to be able to get the 210 ranks required for 16% hindrance. But because *each* rank of Armor currently counts towards reducing hindrance, having 202 does enough to reduce it from 32% (what it would had been under the old rules) to 24%.

Failing 1 of every 4 casts is no big deal for a Rogue.

Take off Armor to do defensive spells in town (unnecessary if in Sancted room) and do all the offensive spells, or utility (such as 108-ing hunting partners) with a 76% success rate.

Works for me.

[Sean of the Thread]

<<Failing 1 of every 4 casts is no big deal for a Rogue. >>

Yeah because they have so much mana to spare.

[Atlanteax]

Originally posted by Xyelin

Originally posted by Atlanteax
Failing 1 of every 4 casts is no big deal for a Rogue.

Yeah because they have so much mana to spare.

We also don't have "Whine" as a Guild skill. :smug:

[Sean of the Thread]

Are you kidding me... rogues were the biggest whiners for years.

You dog looks hungry why don't you feed him your bad tie.

[Laccon]

Could just do hauberk, its 130 ranks of armor to get the MnE down to the minium hinderance for it. You shouldn't be getting hit to hard in hauberk either with all your spells up. Or get some crit padded hauberk even.