Anyone planning on selling their premium points?

[LordBacl]

yep

[Terminator X]

4500?

[Terminator X]

Wow. Didn't even see that, heh. K!

[FinisWolf]

That's only 3 months shy of 4 years. Lets see, @ $40.00 a month, thats ... $1,800.00. Theres a price for you. ~snicker~

Finis

[ElanthianSiren]

I actually thought of selling mine -- I have 8,900, but people simply don't want to pay anything that would make it worth my time. You are talking in + 100 million silver range, depending on the item and how much a person could resell it for. Don't expect anyone to give them to you cheaply; premium points carry a long-term and very tangible cost.

-M

[Vixen]

I had 8500 but I used some so I am looking at 6700 left now or something like that

[Chastittee]

Alright, I obviously havent been reading my news items. How do we know how many points we have?

[radamanthys]

That's the only way to get armor padded these days, isnt it?

*mutters*

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Chastittee
Alright, I obviously havent been reading my news items. How do we know how many points we have?

prem start

[Chastittee]

Thanks!

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by radamanthys
That's the only way to get armor padded these days, isnt it?

*mutters*

The last padder I remember was when GS ran that Juggernaut outside the west gate in Icemule, and I'm not sure how long ago that was. I wouldn't say it's the ONLY way, but it is one of the most reliable/stastically plausable ways if you're attached to your current armor.

-M
(all of my character's combat gear dates 1998 or earlier, so obviously, I fall in the above category).

[Czeska]

Has it been said when we'll be able to use these ? Stupid Lighthouse.

[Jolena]

Anyone got a link as to what everything will cost for premium points? I'd appreciate it please!

[Askip]

I have not done pricing research yet, but I am giving it some thought.

What is the price difference between my plain 8x armor and 8x HCP (or VHCP, whatever the system allows) ?

That might give a good indicator of the value of whatever it costs - 6000 points?

I might have mine taken to 9x before adding the padding, I know I do not have points to go to 10x padded.

:D

[Hips]

Total premium points available: 4400

Any clue how much it would take to add flares on an 8x weapon?

[Skirmisher]

10100 available points last I checked here.

Yeah, I too will be quite interested in seeing what kind of market this stimulates.

[Askip]

Here are some figures from Krakii, multiply the result by 100:

Pre-Scripted item 3
Alter scroll 6
Autoscripter 6
Titles* 12
EZscript 18
Lighten/Deepen 6
Typeahead 9
Enhancive: level 1 or 2 18
Enhancive: level 3 or 4 24
Flare [+00 to +20] 5+ (X/2) [5 to 15]
Flare [+21 to +50] 15+ (X-20) [16 to 45]
Enchant [+X to +X+5] X+5, minimum 5
Enchant flare 10+ X+5
Enchant script 10+ X+5
Enchant weighted (Y) 2*Y + X+5
Enchant claidhmore 40+ 2*(X+5)
Padding (Y) [+X] 2*Y + X


.

Where "X" is the current Enchant, "X+5" is the ending Enchant, and "Y" is the player-extrapolated rating chart:

Lightly 1-2
Fairly 3-4
Somewhat 5-6
Decent 7-8
Heavy 9-11
Very Heavy 12-14
Exceptional 15-19
Masterful 20-24
Incredible 25+

I do not think anything stronger than Heavy will be allowed.

:D

[Askip]

Krakii built the above chart using this post from Khaladon:

Premium Points (complete) · on 9/3/2005 2:41:07 PM 2633


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Item

Pre-Scripted item - 3

Alter scroll - 6

Autoscripter - 6

Titles - 12

***This is a planned feature and not available at this time.

EZscript - 18

Lighten/Deepen - 6

Typeahead - 9

Enhansive ? level 1 or 2 - 18

Enhasnsive ? level 3 or 4 - 24

Flare - Variable

For items up to +20, a point cost equal to the 5 + (Enchant/2). Round all answers up.

For items over +20, a cost of 15 + (Enchant ? 20). Adding flares to a 6x weapon would cost 25 points. For a 10x weapon the cost would be 45 points.

Enchant - Variable

For this enchant service, the item?s enchant is increased by 5. The cost should be equal to the new Plus of the item. If the item has flares or special scripting, add 10 to the cost. If the item has padding/weighting, add (2 x level of padding/weighting) to the cost.

Retaining blessability is 5 additional points.

Exception: For claidhmores, the cost is (40 + 2x) the new Plus. Only new style claidhmores can be modified with Premium Points.

Examples: Taking a normal weapon from 4x to 5x would cost 25 points. Taking a normal steel claidhmore from 0x to 1x would cost 50 points. Taking a flaring 9x weapon to 10x would cost 60 points.

Padding - Variable

This one needs two modifiers: one for enchant, one for the amount of padding being added.

The cost is (2x Special) + Plus.

Example: So for 4x leathers with heavy critical padding, the cost is 20 + 20 = 40 points.

So, if you want to spend it, you can spend 70 points for 10x padded armor? (5.75 years of points).

The limit on padding is the assessment which is rated heavy.

~K

:D

[LordBacl]

Well, I knew it was a longshot, but I was curious if anyone was willing to sell them and at what price.

[Drew]

Originally posted by LordBacl
Well, I knew it was a longshot, but I was curious if anyone was willing to sell them and at what price.


Oh there will be plenty of points for sale. There are so many long term premium accounts out there. Since this can only make HCP armour, which won't sell for more than the points will sell for, I think a lot of people will opting to sell their points.

[AnticorRifling]

You can always buy a padded set and have it made into whatever armor you like. That's how I got my 4x VHCP LBP.

[radamanthys]

i'd be so down to get my 6x swcp fulls further padded. Either that or try to find a new set.

Anyone have some nicer crit padded fulls? :-D

A 10x runestaff would be l33t, as well.

[Drew]

Originally posted by radamanthys
i'd be so down to get my 6x swcp fulls further padded. Either that or try to find a new set.

Anyone have some nicer crit padded fulls? :-D

A 10x runestaff would be l33t, as well.


Have a new set made, it costs the same to get heavy padding done on blank armour then on already padded armour. Don't worry though, the price of heavily padded and less armour is going to fall through the floor.

[AnticorRifling]

Why you say that Drew?

[Drew]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
Why you say that Drew?


Literally thousands of people with the points available to make heavily padded armour...


less demand

+

more supply


= lower cost*



*Gemstone inflation adjusted.

[Lookkin]

I'm stepping into this late, but is there official documenation regarding the points. I have 1200.. I guess that will get me a waffle maker huh?

Lookkin

[Terminator X]

SGM Khal's post:

http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=102&category=1&topic=1&message= 1227

Older asp about benefits:

http://www.play.net/gs4/premium/premiumplus.asp

[Lookkin]

Thanks Termite!

[TheEschaton]

14700 points, 1800 used

spread out over all my accounts, no account with more than 6600 though.


Sometimes I look at my bills for GS and it makes me cry.


And then I remember the days when AOL was pay by the hour and my bills were 10 times higher on a per month basis.

-TheE-

[Fallen]

Something to consider, guys. It is less costly point wise to get a High enchant set of armor padded than it is to get a currently padded set of armor enchanted.

Get your hands on some 7x armor and have padding on it. That is the best bang for your buck. The only reason to have enchants added to your armor is if you are already at or above the HEAVY armor padding level and wish to continue to upgrade your armor.

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by Fallen
Something to consider, guys. It is less costly point wise to get a High enchant set of armor padded than it is to get a currently padded set of armor enchanted.

Get your hands on some 7x armor and have padding on it. That is the best bang for your buck. The only reason to have enchants added to your armor is if you are already at or above the HEAVY armor padding level and wish to continue to upgrade your armor.

Very good but obvious suggestion. Don't help the NUBLEts !!! We people with common sense need the angle we deserve.

[fallenSaint]

Anyone ever come up with a price quote on what a selling factor on these points would angle?

[Drew]

Originally posted by fallenSaint
Anyone ever come up with a price quote on what a selling factor on these points would angle?


I bought 5500 points for 16 million.

[Gan]

Sweet.

If thats the case, I would be willing to pick up a handful of points in order to get my 7x mbp crit padded to heavy. I've got some but not enough at this rate. And it will take me 2 years I believe to get the remainder.

[Sean of the Thread]

One of my accounts I sold a HCP premie point purchase for just a tad bit more.

[LordBacl]

oh

[Terminator X]

As a side note, does anyone know if points that are used for a stat and/or skill enhancing item being crafted, if those particular bonuses can be extended beyond the initial individual who gets the scroll-work done?

[FinisWolf]

Again in English TerminatorX, I really didn't understand your question. I do suggest the premie folder on the officials, they are discussing enhancers there now.

Finis

[Edited on 12-1-2005 by FinisWolf]

[Fission]

I think he's asking if someone gets an enhancer, if it could be used by a different character and/or account.

[LordBacl]

I love how everyone is using this thread as the Premium Points FAQ, but no one is using it to sell me their freaking points.

[nocturnix]

QUESTION: Can you give your alter scrolls to other players, i.e. can you just sell alter scrolls?

[hectomaner]

Originally posted by LordBacl
I love how everyone is using this thread as the Premium Points FAQ, but no one is using it to sell me their freaking points.

i got 1500 i can sell, not as many as you need but its some.

[Jolena]

Enhancers are attuned to the person who gets them, as long as they haven't changed it recently due to the new system. I don't forsee that happening however.

As to scrolls, no you don't hand it to someone else. They give you the item, you have it done for them, they get their item. Normally the person 'buying' said alteration, pays half up front and half after the exchange. Some people require it all upfront however.

[nocturnix]

Is there a price these normally sell for? And can you use them to alter weapons/armor?

[Stunseed]

2.5 to 3 million.

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by nocturnix
Is there a price these normally sell for? And can you use them to alter weapons/armor?

What Stun said, and yes.

Finis

[Kriterian]

Originally posted by nocturnix
QUESTION: Can you give your alter scrolls to other players, i.e. can you just sell alter scrolls?

No. When you go into the light house you have to have the item you wanted altered in one hand and grab a scroll with the other. That ties the alter scroll to the item, and it can't be used on some thing else.

Atleast that's what I got from the sign on the table.

[beef]

Bacl, how much are you offering for 4500 premium points?

[LordBacl]

I really don't know how much someone would want for them. I suppose they'd name their price, and if I could afford it and it wasn't an insane quote, I'd do it.

[Sean of the Thread]

I sold 5100 for 20 million which I regret . I still have 4500 left if anyone is interested.

[beef]

Xyelin, do you regret it because you think 5100 are worth more than 20m? Or, because the 5100 were on the same account as the 4500 that you have left - i.e. you regret not having 9600 available?

I'm trying to figure out the value of the pts too. Based on the going rate for alter scrolls (SP said 2.5-3m) we could say 2.5 per every 600 pts. Based on that 5100 would go for 21.25 million.

I'm not sure if that's the right way to look at it though. You'd think that the value of pts should actually increase per unit (600 in this case) as the total amount gets higher. The value of the types of services that you can get spikes as you reach the higher pt totals. If you take the 5100 example, that equals 8.5 alterations. You could also have (someone correct me here, I'm still trying to figure out the pts to service chart) heavy crit/damage padding added to 5x, maybe 6x armor. Would you guys trade 8.5 alterations for a set of 5x or 6x heavily padded armor?

[Terminator X]

The value is however much Skirmisher sells me her premium points for :yes:

[FinisWolf]

I think I heard that for 5500, you can go to HP on 7X. If that helps Beef.

Finis

[TheEschaton]

I'm still trying to figure out how I have 6600 points left on an account (after using 600!), some couple thousand points more, on an account that has been premium less time than my other one (though open longer).

Are there other things that can earn you points? Like being a Lorekeeper?

And if anyone wants to make a reasonable offer on those 6600 points, feel free. I'll be in Buffalo for all of December, so I should be able to get it done.

-TheE-

[Fission]

Are there other things that can earn you points? Like being a Lorekeeper?

Being a Lorekeeper doesn't.

Nothing does, except handing over more cash to Simu.

[FinisWolf]

If you had partial premie months, they converted to a full premie month for their kick off is my understanding.

Finis

[GSLeloo]

What are premium points...

[fallenSaint]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
What are premium points...

HEH ...

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
What are premium points...

roffle

[Jolena]

Check the website Leloo. They converted yearly benefits into Premium Points. 100 points for each month, with the extras costing points now instead of just having a year of premium time. There's a list on the officials etc. Or you could just type Premium 10, 12 and 13 I think it is.

[GSLeloo]

:( I'm sorry I haven't played in forever!!

[Dwarven Empath]

Total premium points available: 8200

I will be selling these soon. Keep a lookout for further posts.

It will be for either cash, or in game coins.

Thanks.

MattD.

[Askip]

With 7x HCP armor selling in the 30-40 million range, I would be hard pressed to sell 5500 points for much less.

Or has the market already gone way down?

:D

[Drew]

Originally posted by Askip
With 7x HCP armor selling in the 30-40 million range, I would be hard pressed to sell 5500 points for much less.

Or has the market already gone way down?

:D



It's down.

[LordBacl]

Points purchased! And while I would love to buy another 5000 to make my robe a full 10x, I am now officially out of silver.

[radamanthys]

Someone should make a 10x runestaff. There's what? 2 in the lands? Probably would be worth the investment.

Getting my 6x swcp fulls done up to 7x hcp would be beautiful, though. And my 6x runestaff up to 7 would be quite nice as well. Here's hoping I win the lottery.

There's so many good OHE's and heavier armors out there, though. Seems like buying a nice one (or set) would be cheaper than spending the points.

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by radamanthys
Someone should make a 10x runestaff. There's what? 2 in the lands? Probably would be worth the investment.

Getting my 6x swcp fulls done up to 7x hcp would be beautiful, though. And my 6x runestaff up to 7 would be quite nice as well. Here's hoping I win the lottery.

There's so many good OHE's and heavier armors out there, though. Seems like buying a nice one (or set) would be cheaper than spending the points.

Not worth it. Anything over 5x is a waste.

[Vimp]

So what'd be a ball park figure for my 8000 pts?

[LordBacl]

>>>So what'd be a ball park figure for my 8000 pts?<<<

I'd say 21-25 million, depending on you and depending on the buyer, would be fair. I paid 12 million for my 4500.

[radamanthys]

So a 7x armor taken from 0 to 11 (in crit padding) would be: 3500+2200= 5700 points?

Padding a 10x armor would be 5000+2200=7200 points?

To get something from 7x to 10x would be 4000+4500+5000= 13500 points?

from 0x to 10x would be... 5+10+15+20+25+30+40+45+50=24000 points?

7x padded, then enchanted to 10x would be... 13500+(3500+2200)= 19200 points?

but brought to 10x then padded would be... 13500+ (5000+2200)=20700 points?

That's expensive, heh.

20m per 8000 points or so...

Getting a set of 7x armor fully padded would cost ~15m
Whereas a set of 7x hcp fulls would cost me like 50m, and take 3 years to find?

Seems like a good deal to me. Maybe I should start selling my stuff... like my raffle robes from Ebon's.

Unless I'm way off, then I blame it entirely on having finals coming up, and having my nose in teh books.

[radamanthys]

Were those numbers right?

[Sean of the Thread]

No

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Xyelin
No

Then give the right numbers darnit!

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by Xyelin
No

Then give the right numbers darnit!

No

[Skirmisher]

h8 u

[radamanthys]

I just want to know if it costs 5700 points to get something fully padded, basically. I would be in the market for that. Most would.

6x HCP fulls seem to be selling for 20-25m. I have a set that are 6x swcp that could be brought to hcp, if necessary. However, buying 7x (for about 6m) and getting it altered and padded would be cheaper by alot for poor ol' me.

I'm wondering if I should start selling my stuff from EG so I can go about affording it. I think my auctioned, feature-concealing robes might sell for a bunch these days, as well as a few other things I obtained.

[Jolena]

How much would you be selling those robes for anyhow? I know a certain wizardess who would really LOVE those. :whistle:

[Asha]

If they're dye-able ( the robes ) becouse they're bound to look shit.
Howmuch would ya sell em fer?

[radamanthys]

Firnaya shows you some dusky silver robes, which she is holding in her right hand. The elegant robes are crafted of heavy brocaded silk in a shimmering, dusky silver hue. Wide bands of a darker twilight grey trim the hem and the edges of the deeply cowled hood. The sleeves bear the same twilight grey trim, encircled with a series of small scarlet pentacles. Attaching the robe at the collar, a silver button bears an etching of a crenellated tower worked in scarlet lacquer. You also notice a small enchanter's glyph.

I'm not sure what they'd sell for, since they were a raffled item and all.
I've heard lotsa different probables, though. From 5m and up. Considering how poor I am (only like 5m in the bank, seems like I should start selling stuff, (plus the fact that I have 0 locker space!)

[Vixen]

I have 6800 points lying around, and I have no idea what to do with them. I could get something padded or whatever I guess. But I've never cared much about that kinda stuff.

[Drew]

I don't know if the formatting will be preserved:

Pre-Scripted 300
Alter Scroll 600
Autoscripter 600
Titles 1200
Ezscript 1800
Lighten/Deepen 600
Typeahead 900
Enhancive level 1 or 2 1800
Enhancive level 3 or 4 2400

Flare Adding
Flare 0x 500+(0/2)*100=500
Flare 1x 500+(5/2)*100=750
Flare 2x 500+(10/2)*100=1000
Flare 3x 500+(15/2)*100=1250
Flare 4x 500+(20/2)*100=1500
Flare 5x 1500+(25-20)*100=2000
Flare 6x 1500+(30-20)*100=2500
Flare 7x 1500+(35-20)*100=3000
Flare 8x 1500+(40-20)*100=3500
Flare 9x 1500+(45-20)*100=4000
Flare 10x 1500+(50-20)*100=4500

Enchant Scripted item from x to x
Enchant Script 0x-1x 1000+0+500=1500
Enchant Script 1x-2x 1000+500+500=2000
Enchant Script 2x-3x 1000+1000+500=2500
Enchant Script 3x-4x 1000+1500+500=3000
Enchant Script 4x-5x 1000+2000+500=3500
Enchant Script 5x-6x 1000+2500+500=4000
Enchant Script 6x-7x 1000+3000+500=4500
Enchant Script 7x-8x 1000+3500+500=5000
Enchant Script 8x-9x 1000+4000+500=5500
Enchant Script 9x-10x 1000+4500+500=6000

Enchant Claidhmore
Enchant 0x-1x 4000+1000=5000
Enchant 1x-2x 4000+2000=6000
Enchant 2x-3x 4000+3000=7000
Enchant 3x-4x 4000+4000=8000
Enchant 4x-5x 4000+5000=9000
Enchant 5x-6x 4000+6000=10000
Enchant 6x-7x 4000+7000=11000
Enchant 7x-8x 4000+8000=12000
Enchant 8x-9x 4000+9000=13000
Enchant 9x-10x 4000+10000=14000

Add Padding
Pad 0x Armor 2x10+0*100=2000
Pad 1x Armor 2x10+5*100=2500
Pad 2x Armor 2x10+10*100=3000
Pad 3x Armor 2x10+15*100=3500
Pad 4x Armor 2x10+20*100=4000
Pad 5x Armor 2x10+25*100=4500
Pad 6x Armor 2x10+30*100=5000
Pad 7x Armor 2x10+35*100=5500
Pad 8x Armor 2x10+40*100=6000
Pad 9x Armor 2x10+45*100=6500
Pad 10x Armor 2x10+50*100=7000

Enchant Costs
Enchant 0x-1x 0+500=500
Enchant 1x-2x 500+500=1000
Enchant 2x-3x 1000+500=1500
Enchant 3x-4x 1500+500=2000
Enchant 4x-5x 2000+500=2500
Enchant 5x-6x 2500+500=3000
Enchant 6x-7x 3000+500=3500
Enchant 7x-8x 3500+500=4000
Enchant 8x-9x 4000+500=4500
Enchant 9x-10x 4500+500=5000

Enchant Flared item from x to x
Enchant Flare 0x-1x 1000+0+500=1500
Enchant Flare 1x-2x 1000+500+500=2000
Enchant Flare 2x-3x 1000+1000+500=2500
Enchant Flare 3x-4x 1000+1500+500=3000
Enchant Flare 4x-5x 1000+2000+500=3500
Enchant Flare 5x-6x 1000+2500+500=4000
Enchant Flare 6x-7x 1000+3000+500=4500
Enchant Flare 7x-8x 1000+3500+500=5000
Enchant Flare 8x-9x 1000+4000+500=5500
Enchant Flare 9x-10x 1000+4500+500=6000

[radamanthys]

awesome, thanks for doing that

[Farquar]

They left out the "enchant weighted item" table.

[TheEschaton]

yes, enchant weighted/padded item table! Ugh, that's what I need.


Though I think I'll pad my 8x brig up to HCP. That might be fun.

But I want to know how much to ET my 4x VHCP chain up to something higher.

-TheE-