Selling: Golvern-edged black ora claidhmore

[gsivrifu]

Here are the details on the item I am selling. Its a new style claidhmore.

You touch the crystal with one hand, your black ora claidhmore in the other hand.
Tiny sparks of brilliant golden light dance across your claidhmore. (magic item)
A silver nimbus glows for a moment around your claidhmore. (blessed/holy)
An orange beam shoots up from your claidhmore toward the ceiling. (6-10 bonus)
A low resonant note sounds, echoing through the room. (critically weighted)

Running down the length of the blade is a razor-sharp golvern edge that has been hammered and folded repeatedly to create fiery ripples that
shimmer when hit by light, betraying the deadliness of the blade with their beauty. The burnished quillions are forged from tempered golvern,
seperating the blade from a hilt of carved ebony dragons that twine about each other in what could be a lovers embrace or a fight for life.
Engraved in delicate script along the flat of the blade is the word, "Releaser."


You carefully examine the black ora claidhmore and determine that the weight is about 13 pounds.

Careful examination indicates the black ora claidhmore has a base strength of 75 and a base durability of 200. You also determine the current
integrity of the black ora claidhmore to be at 100.0%.

You carefully inspect your black ora claidhmore.

After a careful inspection you determine that a golvern-edged black ora claidhmore requires skill in twohanded weapons to use effectively.

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I currently have an offer at 18 million. The buyout price is 30 million. I will end bids on November 24th.

Feel free to contact me at smegmasaurus@hotmail.com or AIM me at GSIVRifu if you have any questions.

[Edited on 11-17-2005 by gsivrifu]

For the record, this weapon was originally lost by Axhinde. Unfortunately, I bought the item without knowing that it was lost. If you read the posts, you will know what I mean. Either way, contact me if you are interested still...

[Edited on 11-17-2005 by gsivrifu]

[Skirmisher]

OMG I want.

Someone buy this for me plz.

[Axhinde]

No comment.

Edit: Also, it was golvern-edged, but I suspect after everything that's happened with it somebody had to change it.

[Edited on 11-16-2005 by Axhinde]

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It's stolen.

[Skirmisher]

Oh..well then....nevermind.

[gsivrifu]

Its a lost weapon that was recovered and resold to me for a cheaper price. I no longer need it and I'm willing to get rid of it or return it to the owner at cost, but I'm not going to take a lost on it and return it either.

[Skirmisher]

That kind of information should be given up front or you risk losing any credibility.
:bye:

[Axhinde]

I'm not repaying for something I already bought, especially not that much. I am sorry if you do have to take a loss on it, at least you didn't lose as much on it as I did.

[gsivrifu]

Its already been preposted on the real GS forum. You can check there first if you wish. I didn't even know about this place until a friend told me about it.

[Skirmisher]

Cool, then take your butt there.

Trying to sell one of our own posters items is a pretty crappy thing to do. Not to mention not very bright.

[radamanthys]

Just give it back.

someone dropped siren scale on my lap the other day, and i'm giving it back.

'course I got called out on it. Yet again, so did you.

[Gan]

If it was a lost weapon due to normal game mechanics then its fair game for resale, may not be ethical - but last I checked unethical did not mean illegal.

If it was lost due to mechanics abuse then one would think the GM's would have intervened.


Edited to add: This is also a free forum, as long as you follow TOS. If this person wishes to sell something here, so be it. Not that I know this guy from 'adam'... but its pretty hypocritical of the folks on this board to bitch and whine about something like this when opinions regarding the right to sell, post, or participate here have been markedly different than whats been said in this thread.

[Edited on 11-16-2005 by Ganalon]

[gsivrifu]

I spent all the silvers I have earned since I started playing to buy it, so I cant afford to take the loss. I thought it was a great bargain, so I bought it. I can't just return the damn thing. I would if I could, but then I'd be broke.

[Skirmisher]

Well I didn't hear anyone say he was doing something illegal, just scuzzy.

[Axhinde]

It isn't illegal and he has the right to resell it. If indeed he was the one who bought it from who found it, then the initial shadyness falls on whoever sold it to him without letting him know it was "stolen". I'd even pay a mil if you gave me his name. :beer:

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by gsivrifu
I spent all the silvers I have earned since I started playing to buy it, so I cant afford to take the loss. I thought it was a great bargain, so I bought it. I can't just return the damn thing. I would if I could, but then I'd be broke.

So who did you buy it from?

[Fallen]

Tough breaks all around. Sorry to hear you were shafted, Axhinde.

[gsivrifu]

You can have the name for free. I bought it from some guy named Korliss. I think it was a temp account that someone used just to sell cause I haven't seen him since. I've seen him at the crypts a few times, but not since I bought the weapon.

[Axhinde]

That wouldn't surprise me. I knew he was trying to sell it under the radar, he had a "friend of a friend" named Loim find buyers on the downlow. At least that's what Loim himself told me. I'm over it, if I get it back then great, if not then I guess I learned an expensive lesson.

[gsivrifu]

I'm sorry man. If I was some rich slob, I would just give it back. But basically, this weapon is my entire life savings.

[hectomaner]

i think all the posts on this thread using the word 'stolen' need to be removed. it takes away from the sellers credibility, and is uneeded, especially since a. it was not stolen, and b. whatever happened wasn't on his end

[Skirmisher]

Like some newbie is going to have accumulated enough coin to have an item like that?

Just using your head a bit tells you the odds are that something is shady if you are buying an item like that from a crypt hunter.

[gsivrifu]

*Shrugs* I've seen plenty of "stacked" newbies, so I didn't really second guess it at all. With the way income works in this game, the rich are supremely rich while the average folks like me just get by on scraps from deals.

[DCSL]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
Like some newbie is going to have accumulated enough coin to have an item like that?

Just using your head a bit tells you the odds are that something is shady if you are buying an item like that from a crypt hunter.

Eh, I use a level 13 character to do most of my selling outside my actual player shop. Not because my dealings are shady, but because it's something most of my main characters wouldn't do themselves anyway. The lil' character acts like a front man for my collective.

[Skirmisher]

I guess thats just another reason why I don't buy things much except from people I know.

I would never trust some newbie with Uber gear. Sure they MAY be legit, but it's the most common way to try to "clean" stolen mechandise.

[hectomaner]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
I guess thats just another reason why I don't buy things much except from people I know.

I would never trust some newbie with Uber gear. Sure they MAY be legit, but it's the most common way to try to "clean" stolen mechandise.

no, the most common thing is its just something their main aquired, and they are selling. like DCSL said. i did it all the time too, mostly cus i stuck around illistim with my mains, and i'd sell stuff in landing, cus of more people and the amunet and what not.

[gsivrifu]

I don't buy much merchandise at all really. But from my experience, the only way to know someone besides hunting with them is to do business with them. Thats what I dislike most about buying/selling here. I've picked up supposedly 5x leather from a shop that was absolutely nothing just a few months ago.

[Gigantuous]

I don't mind the buying/selling process, because I try to get to know the person I'm dealing with a little beforehand, if possible.

I've yet to be burned, and I really hope it stays that way, or I'll be making a new thread flaming the shady seller and just whining and bitching a lot.

On topic: That is one of the best looking claids I've seen. Golvern-edged would be better than golvern-hilted, but still very nice.

[gsivrifu]

It is golven-edged actually. It was a typo on my part.

[Janarth]

Might as well typo "seperating" as well.

[Hakonne]

If you guys want to put a pool together to help Axhinde get his weapon back, I'll put in 5 mil. Perhaps the seller would be willing to come down a bit in order to help see the right thing done here. I hate seeing people lose their gear, and maybe this way no one gets hurt too badly.

Thank You,
Hak

[Hips]

I would put in 5 million as well.

[FinisWolf]

I would love to help, but well, I am greedy and broke, and Foehn's is like 23 days away, not that my silvers will be enough. I am really sorry you lost it Axhinde, and I am sorry that you bought the questionable item. :shrug: If its still up after Foehn's I will donate as well (saying I have silver left).

Sorry...

Finis

[Hips]

I'm going to Foehn's. :shrug:

[The Ponzzz]

Well, I'll donate 50% of my playershop earnings from 1am today EST till Saturday at midnight. I don't have much to offer due to being a merchant whore at EG. But I have some good items to offer.

http://www.playershops.com/Dhask
http://www.playershops.com/Darloon
http://www.playershops.com/Sorhn

[Hakonne]

5 from me, 5 from Michiko, unknown from Dhask; seems we might be getting close...

If the original poster could let us know if he's willing to help out a bit, that'd be a kindness.

Thank You,
Hak

[Skirmisher]

Five million is four million more than I have! :(

But It's a very nice idea and wonderful sentiments behind it.

Good luck! :up:

[Unique]

Originally posted by Hakonne
5 from me, 5 from Michiko, unknown from Dhask; seems we might be getting close...


All three of you have won my eternal respect. I would offer to help.. but eh... Sproink killed me at EG because I didn't have enough in my account to pay for an alter.

Unique.

[Drew]

Count me in for 5 million too, and I'm going to Foehn's Promise. So we are basically two million short, I'm sure Axhinde will cover that.

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by GS3 Michiko
I'm going to Foehn's. :shrug:

You are very likely MUCH wealthier then I IG. And I have my eyes set high (likely too high). And it seems this item (or sounds like) was lost a very long time ago, I am willing to help, but it does not sound like he has been hurting without it.

Finis

[FinisWolf]

Ok, 2 million left, I will kick in the 2M if Axhinde does not have it.

Finis

[Hakonne]

Thanks Finis.

So, just waiting on word from the seller.

Let's git'er done,
Hak

[Drew]

Originally posted by FinisWolf
And it seems this item (or sounds like) was lost a very long time ago, I am willing to help, but it does not sound like he has been hurting without it.

Finis


A few months or so.

[Skirmisher]

If he doesn't need it, you all can still always buy it and give it to me.

:smilegrin:

[DCSL]

This is great of you guys. I could only hope for such a response if I should lose my precious eahnor pike. You guys are wonderful people.

[Hakonne]

Originally posted by DCSL
This is great of you guys. I could only hope for such a response if I should lose my precious eahnor pike. You guys are wonderful people.

Indeed I would Dex, you've been a friend for many years now.

Skirmisher, I am afraid I dont know you by that name. But I tend to help people from time to time. After all, why have money if you can't do something useful with it? I have what I need, anything else is being greedy in my opinion.

Hak

[Skirmisher]

I really was just kidding. :lol2:

[The Ponzzz]

Eh, I know how it feels... So yea, I don't have alot to help with, but I will help where I can...

[FinisWolf]

Hak, front me the silvers to get me a deed on Foehn's. :duck: j/k I don't borrow silvers, but I seem to know how to laon them, and never get it back. :thumbsdown:

Finis

[RunR31]

I think that is crap but hey.. I had a friend who asked him for a cloak to get a clasp put on it.. he stole his cloak straight up now that is some shady shit.. guy had it coming to him if you ask me.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I can cover the 2 mill if Ax doesnt have it. I won't be around until after Sunday though

[AnticorRifling]

I think I've got 2m left it's yours if you need it.

[FinisWolf]

Yea, we are 4M over, and who the hell is Runr31 talking about?

Finis

[Caiylania]

That is really awesome of you guys! Hope the seller goes for it!

[Kitsun]

Originally posted by RunR31
I think that is crap but hey.. I had a friend who asked him for a cloak to get a clasp put on it.. he stole his cloak straight up now that is some shady shit.. guy had it coming to him if you ask me.

ROFL

Wasn't that Peam?

[Jolena]

I can donate the 2 million Hak and no need for Axhinde to pay it back. He's been one of my closest friends for a while so I would be happy to help.

[Brattt8525]

If needed I can toss in 5 million, U2U me if you are short.

[Gan]

I've got a few mil I can add to it as well; however, it appears I'm a little late in the offer seeing as we're already over the price needed for re-purchasing. Add me to the list anyways. I'm not attending any of the pay merchants, but my shop is doing well with my enchanting projects and I'm in the process of acquiring a 2nd shop with a partner to start up a chain.

I'm curious, how was this claid 'lost' to begin with? I must have missed this story or it happened before I joined the PC.

[Jolena]

Axhinde purchased the claid when he returned to GS and spent all of his account on it. He was testing it and showing it to me on AIM and when he went to go put it up and head back into the gates, he typo'd and dropped it instead of sheathing it. He types put claid in (container) rather than sheath or stow. Anyhow, he got to his locker and was going to put it up and realized that he dropped it, so he went back out the gates. Time lapse was probably 2-3 minutes. It was gone and someone had picked it up. That person wouldn't return it and coersed Loim into finding buyers for him on the downlow because it was, as the finder coined it, "stolen". Since then it's been a very long process of several of us trying to find out more information for Ax on who actually found it, as Loim and anyone else involved refused to give up the name of the person who found it originally.

No, it's not stolen. No, the GM's won't do anything. Yes, we realize that. BUT it doesn't change the fact that it's shady and that Axhinde offered to pay 3 million to the finder on the spot to return it without any reprecussions or anything else coming from it by him or anyone else. Some people just care about their profit I guess.

[AnticorRifling]

Gimme the name of the fuckass that took it to begin with. I can eat a 30 day ban for character griefing with no problems. That'd be worth a few hour return to GS.

[Jolena]

We've tried unsucessfully for months to find out the name of the original person who found the claid, actually. Several folks including Stunseed offered to make that guy wish he had taken up the offer in the first place, but it wasn't possible without a name. Everyone involved that is doing the work for the finder is being very close-mouthed.

[AnticorRifling]

If it's ever found my offer stands. I'll beat him like I caught him breaking into my house.

[Gan]

What happened is no worse than me putting a suit of rolaren armor into a backpack on the ground versus putting it in my backpack. I did it, walked off, came back in time to see Ooey pick up the backpack, and haul ass to Illistim when I asked him if I could have it back. I understood that I made the initial mistake and yet I wonder if the backpack was placed there with the intent of capitalizing on someone's mistake. Either way though, I learned through this incident that it was due to my mistake that the armor was lost.

Yes, it was a mistake, yes it happenes to everyone (for those who will admit to such a thing). The thing is, the claid was rightfully free of ownership when it was found. I recently dropped a shield on the dais. I ran to the bank, came back, and was about to pick it back up upon realizing that it was not in my harness when someone invisible picked it up 'poof!'. Yes I whined and RP'd it up great (it was only a 6x rolaren tower) and replaceable but I did not want to take the loss in inventory investment anyways. I never went OOC, asked around for a few folks to help me find it, and eventually it 'appeared' back on the ground on the dais. The thing is I never had the expectation that it should be returned to me, just the hope that it would be.

This doesnt count the numerous blades that I've either dropped by mistake or lost to being disarmed and being unable to recover it. I donated a veniom hilted fal to Solhaven Valley when I rang out almost dead and did not realize a coyote had disarmed my blade by biting my hand off. Went through the GM process and never got it back due to it being lost to normal circumstances.

Yes it sucks, but the 'finder' of the claid was under no obligation to return the weapon even with all of the 'mob' attempts at influencing him to do otherwise. I know many folks who would have resold it and enjoyed the investment windfall as one would normally have done within the normal tendancies of their character. Others would have returned it without asking, or would have required a ransom or finders fee. All options being voluntary and within the TOS of the game.

On the flip side, I've been involved in numerous hunts in the Tower and OTF for lost weapons and shields and have helped return them to their rightful owners (Michiko should remember the blade I gave her to return to Syberus? that was lost and he had to leave before it could be recovered) and many others, and conversely have had help in recovering a shield that was lost upon a death there. All because of the good nature of those who hunt in that area.

I guess what I find the most disturbing is that folks are so quick to condemn someone for doing a deed that is within the allowable limits of the game and yet questionable as to what they would do if they faced the same delimma as a finder of a dropped weapon of immense value. Kind of like stumbling upon a duffle bag full of benjamins and no one is around to see you pick it up. Even integrity and honor has its price when you get down to it. Some just have a higher price than others.

Anyways, sorry for the rant. My offer to assist in the replacement fund still stands if you need coin.

[Edited on 11-17-2005 by Ganalon]

[Unique]

Originally posted by Ganalon
Yes it sucks, but the 'finder' of the claid was under no obligation to return the weapon even with all of the 'mob' attempts at influencing him to do otherwise. I know many folks who would have resold it and enjoyed the investment windfall as one would normally have done within the normal tendancies of their character. Others would have returned it without asking, or would have required a ransom or finders fee. All options being voluntary and within the TOS of the game.
[Edited on 11-17-2005 by Ganalon] \

You're absolutely right, but in my opinion anyone who would keep a "stolen" item deserves whatever comes. Roleplaying some difficulty in the return is fine and roleplaying a ransom is fine. Keeping the item outright is also marginally fine.

Passing it off anonymously to others to pawn is a bit much.

For those of you concerned about who originally found it, don't be. Those associating with the finder are just as guilty if they know the circumstances.

Unique

[Jolena]

I don't think that neither Axhinde nor anyone else helping him to try to find the blade when it happened ever once thought that the finder was 'obligated' to return it. And I might add, everything was handled through IG circumstances and so it was indeed RP'd out. Axhinde I'm sure understood that it was his fault as he told me and others several times during the entire ordeal that he was at fault for typoing and dropping it, so that's a moot point as well.

As to whether or not the people who are willing to help him get the claid back by whatever means necessary, I think it's a bit disconcerting that you would even question whether or not we would do the same in the reverse situation, Ganalon. I know for myself, and Stunseed as well, neither of us would ever keep a weapon/shield/backpack whatever that we found on the ground. We would ask around and try our best to return it to the owner. I obviously can't speak for anyone else involved, or even Axhinde as this situation might have indeed turned him a bit sour towards showing kindness to others in his situation.

However, that being said, you are definitely right. As I stated earlier, it is not stolen and we realize that the finder is within his rights to do whatever he wishes with the claid. What I won't say though, is that it is not shady, because it IS shady in my opinion. Doesn't mean it's against policy or against a RP, but it IS shady. Just like many other things that occur in both RL and IG, I don't have to agree with it but I definitely believe its their right to do so should they wish to.

[Asha]

It wasn't stolen in any way Unique.
Not even 'stolen'.

[Kitsun]

I would've torn Loim apart and counted him as someone that was in on the deal and taking a piece of the action. Cough up the blade, a name or be prepared to start a new character.

[Sylvan Dreams]

Originally posted by Ganalon
I understood that I made the initial mistake and yet I wonder if the backpack was placed there with the intent of capitalizing on someone's mistake.

[Edited on 11-17-2005 by Ganalon]

That actually was/is done a lot. I've gotten into a situation where a person lost their weapon like that and thought that I had it since I had an identical copy of it (it was an off-the-shelf weapon.. so there were dozens of copies of it).

[AnticorRifling]

Ahh I thought this was from a bad sale not a drop. If that's the case I'll still loan what I can if needed. However the person who picked it up isn't really at fault, although not selling it as himself is kind of spineless.

[Unique]

Originally posted by Drayal
It wasn't stolen in any way Unique.
Not even 'stolen'.

I used "stolen" in quotes because others had already used the term.

It's within policy to keep an item on the ground even if it was dropped unintentionally. As I said previously, however, anyone who keeps such an item deserves whatever comes their way in terms of angry players, bad karma, genital herpes, or whatever. Again, selling such an item is within policy, but doing so in a clearly disreputable way (i.e. keeping the finder anonymous) begs whatever may come.

Unique.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Sylvan Dreams

Originally posted by Ganalon
I understood that I made the initial mistake and yet I wonder if the backpack was placed there with the intent of capitalizing on someone's mistake.

[Edited on 11-17-2005 by Ganalon]

That actually was/is done a lot. I've gotten into a situation where a person lost their weapon like that and thought that I had it since I had an identical copy of it (it was an off-the-shelf weapon.. so there were dozens of copies of it).


Rest assured that isn't the case with this paticular weapon.

[The Ponzzz]

Well... Now we wait on the seller... If this isn't to show an awesome community, I don't know what does. Even though I haven't sold anything, hahahaha. Hopefully he'll be willing to do this transaction.

So, I think everyone should give what they are willing to donate to Hakonne and allow him to hold the coins for the claid, anyone disagree?

[Axhinde]

Oh wow. All this is a bit much to take in. Never in a lifetime would I have thought everyone would be that kind. I feel so loved :lol:. It really isn't all that necessary though, despite how much I would enjoy having it back. I'd hate for other people to go out of their way just because I had a horrendus brain fart at 2am, in my worst day of Gemstone ever.

I'm not too sure what to say about the idea of the pool though. I wouldn't feel right about it without the urge to pay everyone back. I sure as hell wouldn't deny any insisting however. :D In all seriousness, I dont think I could stomach paying for something I already payed a bundle for, especially so long after it occurred.

I do feel I've taken this lesson as well as I could have. I may have whined a bit to a few people in game, but that was out of cursing myself for a total lack of thought. Selling the claid after it was found is not technically shady, but it isn't technically the right thing to do either, regardless of Simu policy. Doing some crazy "We need a TD kickoff return to win and we have 6 seconds to do it in" amazing lateral that wasn't a lateral handing off the weapon, then yes I do feel that it was spineless. Regardless, I fucked up and this is what happens.

So again, thank you everybody who offered to put up silvers for it.

[Gan]

Now that everyone knows what happened, its mostly agreed upon that the seller here is not at fault for attempting to recoup expenses paid for the weapon upon initial purchase. As it was within the right of the 'finder' to sell said weapon after finding it on the ground.

Whats admirable is that folks here on the PC are willing to invest in helping Axhinde repurchase it, its a win win situation for both Axhinde and the current seller.

[Hips]

Originally posted by FinisWolf

Originally posted by GS3 Michiko
I'm going to Foehn's. :shrug:

You are very likely MUCH wealthier then I IG. And I have my eyes set high (likely too high). And it seems this item (or sounds like) was lost a very long time ago, I am willing to help, but it does not sound like he has been hurting without it.

Finis

Michiko has approximately 10 million to her name right now, so I doubt it.

[Hips]

Originally posted by Ganalon
(Michiko should remember the blade I gave her to return to Syberus? that was lost and he had to leave before it could be recovered)

Truthfully, I have no idea what you're talking about since Michiko doesn't exactly get along with Syberus because of Leloo.

[Gan]

Oh snap, it was Leloo. My bad.

I'm shitty with names.

[Jolena]

Originally posted by Ganalon
Now that everyone knows what happened, its mostly agreed upon that the seller here is not at fault for attempting to recoup expenses paid for the weapon upon initial purchase. As it was within the right of the 'finder' to sell said weapon after finding it on the ground.

Just curious, but who was saying that the current seller was at fault for attempting to recoup expenses paid for the weapon?

[The Ponzzz]

Donate silvers for Axhinde's protection!

[Gan]

Originally posted by Jolena

Originally posted by Ganalon
Now that everyone knows what happened, its mostly agreed upon that the seller here is not at fault for attempting to recoup expenses paid for the weapon upon initial purchase. As it was within the right of the 'finder' to sell said weapon after finding it on the ground.

Just curious, but who was saying that the current seller was at fault for attempting to recoup expenses paid for the weapon?

I think that impression was given in the first page of posts...


Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
It's stolen.


Originally posted by Skirmisher
Cool, then take your butt there.

Trying to sell one of our own posters items is a pretty crappy thing to do. Not to mention not very bright.

[Jolena]

Aha. I guess I didn't read that much into it. However I do see your point. Some folks still maintain that it is a 'stolen' weapon however, although i don't believe it to be stolen. Just a shady deal on the original finder's part in my opinion. The current owner however is being very fair and I'm happy that he's willing to sell it back to Axhinde at his own base costs.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Jolena
Just curious, but who was saying that the current seller was at fault for attempting to recoup expenses paid for the weapon?

I did.

I also stand by it though I seem to be in the minority on that. I would never buy an item from a throwaway character unless I know for sure the person behind it and trusted them. If people disagree with me that's fine but I stand by opinion.

In the end though the GM's are also at fault here in my opnion and I will explain why.

IF they say it was droped and so is not a mechanics problem but a player issue then he should be allowed to go on a serious vendetta to reclaim a rather large investment. If that means killing the person last known to have had it over and over until another name pops up then so be it until the initial finder is discovered.
I mean this is like finding ten million dollars in the street, anyone with a brain would know that SOMEONE is going to come looking for this money.

Now the problem with that is if someone made a completely throwaway character to fence the item then there is little chance of finding them. That IS a mechanics problem as you cannot just make a person in real life to sell such an item and then have them disappear into the ether.

Knowing this, the GM's should have simply taken the item from the "finder" and returned it to Axhinde, or tagged it in a way to be able to follow its trail as to me, the creation of a throwaway character to fence an item they knew to be in contention falls squarely under mechanics abuse.

[gsivrifu]

Wow. The camraderie here is amazing. I just wish I knew about this place alot sooner, then all this mess wouldn't have happened.

But anyways, I had every intention to sell the claidhmore back to Axhinde at cost, but when he didn't respond to me, I did take a bid from someone.

The bid was for 18 million. I don't want to tell that bidder a straight up no since he did sell items to put up a bid, so I feel like I should give him a shot for it. He initially offered coins and trade, and I said I was really only looking for coins back, so he sold his trades.

To make a long story short, I think I will close the bids to you guys at the board and that one bidder. I don't think he has any intention to bid higher, but I want to give both sides the option. Does this sound fair?

[Gan]

Saw your post on the official boards: (see below). With the wording you have put into the sale, I think the 'other' bidder will understand if you pull his bid and sell it back to Axhinde. Any efforts to elevate the 'at cost' statement you put into your first sale post would considerably diminish any credibility you have gained thus far in this endeavor.

Original post:
golvern-hilted black ora claidhmore · on 11/15/2005 6:42:34 PM 1031


Reply

I recently bought a black ora claidhmore for a pretty good deal, but I found out afterward that it was a lost weapon. I was planning on reselling it anyways, but I am willing to sell it back to the original owner at cost. If the old owner wants to buy it back, feel free to contact me and verify by telling me what the weapon has for a show. I don't know where it was originally lost, so thats the only means for me to verify it.

Otherwise, assuming I don't hear from the original owner and for those who are interested in this weapon, it is a +10 claidhmore, new style, sanctified and has a show. It has a base strength of 75 and a base durability at 200. Integrity at 100%. It weights 13 pounds.

MB: 18 Million. BO: 25 Million.

Please send bids to rifu@spamhole.com or AIM me at GSIVRifu.

[Alfster]

Originally posted by gsivrifu
Its a lost weapon that was recovered and resold to me for a cheaper price. I no longer need it and I'm willing to get rid of it or return it to the owner at cost, but I'm not going to take a lost on it and return it either. [/quote]




Originally posted by gsivrifu
But anyways, I had every intention to sell the claidhmore back to Axhinde at cost, but when he didn't respond to me, I did take a bid from someone.


methinks maybe Axhinde was busy, and I also have a feeling you saw a higher bid and decided not to do the right thing.

Ax I'll throw in like 500k, I think that's what I got left.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The whole thing seems shady to me. Sometimes you should just man up and do the right thing.

Oh well.

[Alfster]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
The whole thing seems shady to me. Sometimes you should just man up and do the right thing.

Oh well.

Agreed, I'm fairly certain the seller isn't telling even half the truth in this situation.

[gsivrifu]

I got his email the same morning that I posted it! I even replied and told him I'm just looking for what I paid for it and I got no response. Afterwards, I posted the claidh here and he responded right away with a no comment. I took a bid about an hour later, way before everyone started pooling in. Thats the truth. Take it for whats it worth. ughhhhh.

I can definately see why someone would create an alt alias to sell now. Look at all the trouble I'm going through to try to make things as fair as what *I* think is right for both parties? I feel like I'm getting fleeced even though I'm a victim as well. I said before, I had the intention to sell it back from the beginning! Its just that the bidder sold stuff in order to bid for it even though he knew from a previous post that it was a lost item. And for the record, everyone knows that this weapon is a lost item, but that has not stop people from sending me bids via AIM and email. I have had some other pretty good offers from other players that I have turned down just to keep it to two parties, the people on this board and that one bidder.

[Gan]

The best way not to get fleeced is to sell the item at cost back to the original owner. You get your money back, Axhinde gets the claild back. And life as we know it goes on.

[Alfster]

Originally posted by Ganalon
The best way not to get fleeced is to sell the item at cost back to the original owner. You get your money back, Axhinde gets the claild back. And life as we know it goes on.

I don't think as of yet, he's dicussed how much he actually paid for the item.

He says he got a good deal, 18m to me is not a good deal on anyweapon.

#don't mind me, I can't spellllllllllll

[Edited on 11-17-2005 by Alfster]

[gsivrifu]

And ignore the person who sold his great shalk great sword and 5x blessable two hander to bid on the item?

[gsivrifu]

I paid 16 for it.

I saw it being sold at Ardwen's shop for 29 million before, so thats why I thought it was a good deal.

[Edited on 11-17-2005 by gsivrifu]

[Gan]

I think that person who sold his gear would understand, since you posted in your initial sale posting that you would sell it back to the original owner unless he did not contact your or did not wish to buy it back... something like that.

I'm betting that he's not delivered it yet, or can pick those items back up at cost. Hell, invite him here and let him read this thread and see if he still wants to buy it, or chime in at least.

[Jolena]

I'm going to be blunt here. You offered it to him at cost which is according to you, 16 million. As of right now, with three people offering 5 million each PLUS my two million, that is 17 million. Considering that is STILL a profit of 1 million on an item that you don't want anyhow, I would think that if you were serious about letting the original owner have back his weapon without gouging him, you would take the 17 million and feel good about the transaction. Asking him or anyone else on these boards to up their bid/donation to outbid the other person is just bad business in my opinion. The offer still stands. 17 million for the claid so that it can go back to its owner and you make a million profit PLUS get back what you paid for it.

[Ardwen]

Heh never ever go by the prices on the signs in my shop, I stick stuff in there with inflated prices and no information so people come talk to me about the items.


Ardwen

[gsivrifu]

I am waiting for that one other bidder to come online so I can talk to him about it. If its okay, then fine, 17mil it is.

[Warriorbird]

For the record, Eiderfleur and her boyfriend/IG spouse? (I forget his name unfortunately) returned a similarly enchanted claidh and a katana to me once upon a time after I did something stupid with Stormfront mechanics. The onus certainly isn't on the person to give such an item back but it also certainly isn't on them to keep it. I'm sorry you had to deal with this, Axhinde.

[Stunseed]

< I am waiting for that one other bidder to come online so I can talk to him about it. If its okay, then fine, 17mil it is. >

Forgive my opinion, but I'm thinking your "other bidder" is you peddling that weapon, and checking with your friend to see if you can't milk out a little more for it. Do the right thing, and honor your offer.

[Kitsun]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
For the record, Eiderfleur and her boyfriend/IG spouse? (I forget his name unfortunately) returned a similarly enchanted claidh and a katana to me once upon a time after I did something stupid with Stormfront mechanics. The onus certainly isn't on the person to give such an item back but it also certainly isn't on them to keep it. I'm sorry you had to deal with this, Axhinde.

Whoever made that godforsaken drag and drop work to ditch items onto the ground should be slapped.

Almost lost my damn water cannon when I was just playing with the FE.

[Hakonne]

Wow,

Since electrons are free, I'll take the time to post a thought here.

The sort of kindness and comaraderie evinced in this thread is exactly why I play GS.

Really a gratifying thing to return home (the hotel I live in when I am on the east coast) to after a shite day.

Ok, gushy stuff over: Whenever we're ready, let's get it together, and get the man's weapon back so we can all go back to being pissed off at each other.

Out here,
Hak

[Warriorbird]

Whoever made that godforsaken drag and drop work to ditch items onto the ground should be slapped.
-Kitsun

Ha ha ha! Yep! You guessed how I did it. Sorry about your water cannon.

Hopefully this charitable claidhmore transaction can go through smoothly and quickly.

[Hakonne]

Alrighty then,
Taking a break from getting my ass handed to me in this invasion. I coughed up the 17 mil for the claid. Those who wanted to help out, give Axhinde your coins. Ax, come see me please.

Thank You,
Hak

[Axhinde]

I'm in EN right now and don't have enough time to make it back. If you feel ok with it, I trust Stunseed implicitly so you can feel safe giving the silvers to him. If not, that is fine too. I won't be around for a few days though just to let everyone know, I have finals next week and I need to do some hardcore cram sessions.

[Hakonne]

Originally posted by Axhinde
I'm in EN right now and don't have enough time to make it back. If you feel ok with it, I trust Stunseed implicitly so you can feel safe giving the silvers to him. If not, that is fine too. I won't be around for a few days though just to let everyone know, I have finals next week and I need to do some hardcore cram sessions.

Works for me, Stun's no ripoff artist.

So folks, sounds like you can give donations to me or Stunseed. When we're good, Stun can have the claid to give to Ax if all that's agreeable to Stun.

Hak

[FinisWolf]

Where you at Hak? I will still put in the 2 I said I would commit, seeing as I was first to say I would do the last 2M.

If you all want to spread this out amoungst yourselves so as not to take as large of a hit, that would be really cool for those that are donating with fewer silvers.

Finis

[FinisWolf]

O, I guess we are still waiting to hear from Mr. Seller to see if the 17M is confirmed ok between him and his other bidder.

Finis

[Jolena]

I think Hak already bought the claid, at least that is what I got from it. And we'll still donate our two million as well.

[Hakonne]

Yep, sorry if i was unclear in a previous post. I bought it from the fellow right when the invasion started.

Hak

Edit to answer Finis: In WL, can meet on FWI too.

[Edited on 11-18-2005 by Hakonne]

[FinisWolf]

Hak, if you have AIM, I can meet you on IFW in a matter of minutes from your IM.

AIM: Finiswolf
MSN & Yahoo: whitewolf027

Finis

[FinisWolf]

I put Finis at the GC. I will wait.

Finis

[Hakonne]

Met Finis on IFW. Thanks Finis for your 2 mil.

Hak

[FinisWolf]

Welcome.

Finis

[Drew]

Got my 5 million to Hakonne as well.

[Hakonne]

Update:

Finis: 2 mil
Drew: 5 mil

Thank you,
Hak

[TheEschaton]

Doing some crazy "We need a TD kickoff return to win and we have 6 seconds to do it in" amazing lateral that wasn't a lateral handing off the weapon, then yes I do feel that it was spineless. Regardless, I fucked up and this is what happens.

I hate the fucking Titans.

And if you still need 5m or so, let me know.

-TheE-, diehard Bills fan

[Hakonne]

Originally posted by TheEschaton

Doing some crazy "We need a TD kickoff return to win and we have 6 seconds to do it in" amazing lateral that wasn't a lateral handing off the weapon, then yes I do feel that it was spineless. Regardless, I fucked up and this is what happens.

I hate the fucking Titans.

And if you still need 5m or so, let me know.

-TheE-, diehard Bills fan


Currently 12 mil raised/pledged. The goal is 17. My suggestion would be donate about 2-3 mil, and when they're all in the 5 mil'ers will get some refund.

Hak

[StrayRogue]

I'll pitch in a mil too.

[Brattt8525]

I am in Teras but have access to FW if you can meet me there I will put in the 5 million I said I would. U2U me and the weapon will be finished being paid for and when Ax comes back he will finally get his weapon back.

[Hakonne]

ok, u2u sent to Bratt, Stray, if you'd like to find me with your 1 mil, that'd be great.

Ax, please let me know where to meet you or your designee with your claid.

Lesson learned from this:

Lots of good folk who dislike injustice on these boards.


Regards,
Hak

[Gan]

Let me know if you need any more. I've got some I can donate and have IFW access to shuffle it to you.

[Brattt8525]

In FW come find me ? Thanks

[Hakonne]

Update:

Collected:
Finis: 2 mil
Drew: 5 mil
Bratt: 3 mil
Ganalon: 2 mil
Stray: 1 mil
Hak: 5 mil


Pledged:

Jolena: ?
Michiko: 5 mil
May have missed some folks here...



Almost done. Donations beyond the 17 mil will fund partial refunds to the high-dollar donators, so that everyone will have given in the neighborhood of 3 mil or so. I'm not the Red Cross...no need to hang on to "extra" money.

We're 1 mil over, currently. So Drew'll get that one back.

Thank you,
Hak

Edit: Moved Ganalon from pledged to collected.

Edit 2: Added Michiko to the pledged list.

Edit 3: Moved Stray from pledged to collected.


Side Note: 1337 views when I looked to edit this post the first time...coincidence? You be the judge.

[Edited on 11-19-2005 by Hakonne]

[Edited on 11-19-2005 by Hakonne]

[Edited on 11-19-2005 by Hakonne]

[Hakonne]

Ax,

Time to pick up your claid.

Hak

[Stunseed]

Hakonne, I'm at work right now, and thanks to OD's Firewall, I can't get into GS. I'll be home about 3pm or so, I can get it from you then.

[DeV]

Wow, what an awesome gesture. I'm only sorry I didn't read this thread sooner.

Ax sold me one of the best alters I've had in game to date. Glad to know you got your claid back.

[Hakonne]

Stun,

No worries, look me up when you get home. If I'm not about, I should show up in short order.

DeV,

So share the alter with us.

Good is fun sometimes,
Hak

Oh, and yeah, BAD is fun all the time.

[Hips]

I won't be able to get in game until tonight around 9 PM or so, so I can get the money to you then if that's okay.

[Stunseed]

I had to go get a haircut, because I looked like a hippie. I'm around now until prolly the AM'ish.

[Jolena]

And we're donating 2 million, Hakonne. Stunseed can give it to you when he picks up the claid.

[Brattt8525]

From what he posted as far as collected donations it equaled 18 million, so why are you posting your donating 2 million when it has already been paid for?

[Stunseed]

< why are you posting your donating 2 million when it has already been paid for? >

So the people who donated more can get some returned to them for the generous nature.

[Brattt8525]

Ahh well Hak don't give me anything back I tried to give you 5 million and you only took 3.

[Hakonne]

Originally posted by Brattt8525
Ahh well Hak don't give me anything back I tried to give you 5 million and you only took 3.

Yep,

For proper recognition purposes, Bratt offered 5 mil, but rather than have to chase her down to return 2-3 of it, I talked her into only givin 3, since I forecasted there'd be some refunds. There're quite a few good-hearted folk here on PC.

I'm very glad a moment's inspiration has resulted in strengthening the sense of community. It's one of the main draws of GS for me. Clearly it is for others as well.

Thank You,
Hak

[Hakonne]

Update:

Collected:
Finis: 2 mil
Drew: 5 mil (2 refunded)
Bratt: 3 mil
Ganalon: 2 mil
Stray: 1 mil
Jolena/Stunseed: 2 mil
Michiko: 2 mil
Hak: 5 mil (2 refunded)

If my math is right, this leaves 1 more mil to be refunded barring any more donations.

Pledged:

The E: 5 mil
May have missed some folks here...


Claid's been delivered to Stun (thanks for making the run!)

Almost done. Donations beyond the 17 mil will fund partial refunds to the high-dollar donators, so that everyone will have given in the neighborhood of 3 mil or so. I'm not the Red Cross...no need to hang on to "extra" money.



Thank you,
Hak

[Edited on 11-20-2005 by Hakonne]

[Stunseed]

I'll be creating a Selling : a black ora claidhmore thread here in a few minutes.

/jkjkjk

It's in good hands, and I won't disarm it and leave it on the ground, like Axhinde did my wizard's blade.

[Axhinde]

Doh!