I'll be leaving PC now.......

[Notsosweet]

Ok people please take this very seriously :

My firewall caught a hacker today ..i also got their IP address .. i called my internet provider and they ran a full check .. someone is stealing IP addresses and Piggybacking off of them to post on these boards .

Please if you have a firewall check it .. run a virus scan .. and if you have been hacked you need to contact your internet provider ASAP.. The police are now involved in this ..My provider contacted them .. But if you have been hacked then you need to let them know..there is so much info on our computers.. I just wanted to warn you all .

[Souzy]

OK OK...let me edit because it happened to me too, LOL. But seriously, to flame me and Kniquee is one thing. But to try to hack and piggy back off our line is another. Then get caught to top it all off! I mean, did you not think we wouldn't catch you for using our IP's? But, hey...tough cookie on you, I'm sure the authorities will be knocking on your door pretty soon. Providers been contacted, your IP's have been traced, and your ass will be handed back to you. F*$# you very much.





[Edited on 10-7-2003 by Lalana]

[GSLeloo]

How do you check your firewall? I'm kind of computer illiterate.

[Notsosweet]

naww but he will be in jail i know that much

[Notsosweet]

Originally posted by Lalana
OK OK...let me edit because it happened to me too, LOL. But seriously, to flame me and Kniquee is one thing. But to try to hack and piggy back off our line is another. Then get caught to top it all off! I mean, would you not think we wouldn't catch you for using our IP's? But, hey...tough cookie on you, I'm sure the authorities will be knocking on your door pretty soon. Providers been contacted, your IP's have been traced, and your ass will be handed back to you. F*$# you very much.



[Edited on 10-7-2003 by Lalana]


yes he will be caught and then i intend on pressing full charges

[Souzy]

Originally posted by Notsosweet
[quote]yes he will be caught and then i intend on pressing full charges

Ditto my friend. :D

[Halfsilver]

Some firewall programs such as Blackice have a window where you can see the various attacks on your computer.

If you actually saw how many of these attacks actually occur every day on pretty much anyone's machine, you'd crap. I usually ignore them unless they break through my firewalls. In other words, most of these 'attacks' are harmless. Port probes and pings, most likely. IP's are easy to acquire, and don't require uber hacking skills to find.

I doubt that anyone would go through that much trouble to post on PC, but we do have some strange people that don't like us. Klaive...bob...etc.

-grays/d

[Notsosweet]

Originally posted by Halfsilver
Some firewall programs such as Blackice have a window where you can see the various attacks on your computer.

If you actually saw how many of these attacks actually occur every day on pretty much anyone's machine, you'd crap. I usually ignore them unless they break through my firewalls. In other words, most of these 'attacks' are harmless. Port probes and pings, most likely. IP's are easy to acquire, and don't require uber hacking skills to find.

I doubt that anyone would go through that much trouble to post on PC, but we do have some strange people that don't like us. Klaive...bob...etc.

-grays/d

Well i can tell you this.. I was told to unplug my modem and then my provider ran a check and YES in fact my IP was in use .. they of course couldnt tell me by who or where but they did take a report and contact the police. and it will be looked into.. stealing or piggybacking an IP is a Criminal offense and it will be handled. I was only attempting to tell all of you because I know all the stuff i have on my computer and i wouldnt want anyone to have it .

Also i am not pointing fingers at anyone.. they know who they are and the police will have a chat with them soon i am sure.

[Betheny]

That's beyond retarded.

I don't have a firewall on my computer. I use a router. I'm hoping they won't get past that.

If it's a virus or some sort of program like that they used, then you had to have downloaded it somewhere. Compare and see if you guys have downloaded from the same person recently.

[Bestatte]

First of all, if your firewall "caught" the hack, then you weren't hacked. The whole point of a firewall is to prevent hacking. If you -were- hacked, it means the hacker got past the firewall, which means the firewall failed to protect your computer.

I get no less than 200 hack attempts every single day. Most of them are UDP port probes, SQL, TCP, and various other port probes, with an occasional sub-seven probe.

All a probe is, is someone's computer looking to see if there's an open port in your computer, or if there's a virus installed on your computer that they can utilize for their own benefit.

Probes are nothing more than a peek at the OUTSIDE of your system. Once they get in, they're not probes, they're actual hacks.

If someone got into your computer, it's because you left a "door" open somewhere. Either through filesharing systems like Kazaa and other music services, or allowing cookies to be stored without your express permission, or opening a virus from e-mail that forces a door open that can be exploited.

This is why techies urge people to NOT use file sharing services, to disable file sharing on their systems, to refuse files to be sent via instant messaging services, to refuse popups on their browsers, to not open e-mail from people they don't know, to not open ANY files from anyone - not even family - unless you specifically asked for them to be sent.

If you didn't take these precautions, you invited someone in. I am sounding harsh intentionally. If it is a serious issue to you because you choose to keep confidential information stored on your hard drive, then you MUST take precautions. Having a firewall is only one step. Don't give something to hackers that they can exploit, and your firewall won't have to "catch" anyone in the first place.

[AnticorRifling]

I do this weird thing called living my life. I use IM, I share files, I d/l stuff. Why the hell would I have a pc w/ fast ass internet if not to enjoy it? People that live in fear crack me up. Just store your sensitive data on a stand alone or removable media and only use it when you need it. You get hacked who cares?! Just reload.

cc:\ format \q is your friend folks.

[Camri]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
I do this weird thing called living my life. I use IM, I share files, I d/l stuff. Why the hell would I have a pc w/ fast ass internet if not to enjoy it? People that live in fear crack me up. Just store your sensitive data on a stand alone or removable media and only use it when you need it. You get hacked who cares?! Just reload.

cc: format q is your friend folks.

I agree.

I have a firewall, and I have good anti virus software. If they get through that, then let them come. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

[Parkbandit]

Stop talking so techie Bestatte.. you're getting me all hot. ;)

[Bestatte]

Originally posted by Camri

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
I do this weird thing called living my life. I use IM, I share files, I d/l stuff. Why the hell would I have a pc w/ fast ass internet if not to enjoy it? People that live in fear crack me up. Just store your sensitive data on a stand alone or removable media and only use it when you need it. You get hacked who cares?! Just reload.

cc: format q is your friend folks.

I agree.

I have a firewall, and I have good anti virus software. If they get through that, then let them come. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

<shrug> Doesn't matter to me one way or another. But if you do get hacked as a result of not taking appropriate precautions, don't come crying here and screaming lawsuit.

Remember, hacking doesn't just mean someone "found" your computer. It means they got into your computer. And malicious hackers won't bother to do that, unless they intend to do something nasty with it. Such as, corrupt your hard drive. Irreversibly. In such a manner that you need to buy a whole new computer.

Or, steal your identity. Cookies contain bits and pieces of your identity on them. Passwords saved from websites contain your identity. Your computer registry (the regedit thingie) contains your identity. You wanna give hackers the go-ahead to get all that? Awesome. Have fun explaining to the credit card company or your mortagage company or your bank why someone, using your name, just applied for and received an enormous loan, and -you- are being held responsible for it, since it was done in your name.

Yes, these things -do- happen. And they happen to all sorts of people. Mostly though, they happen to people who don't take precautions.

So have fun, do what you like, but when something happens and I say "I toldja so," don't get pissed. It's your own doing.

[Camri]

Originally posted by Bestatte
<shrug> Doesn't matter to me one way or another. But if you do get hacked as a result of not taking appropriate precautions, don't come crying here and screaming lawsuit.

Remember, hacking doesn't just mean someone "found" your computer. It means they got into your computer. And malicious hackers won't bother to do that, unless they intend to do something nasty with it. Such as, corrupt your hard drive. Irreversibly. In such a manner that you need to buy a whole new computer.

Or, steal your identity. Cookies contain bits and pieces of your identity on them. Passwords saved from websites contain your identity. Your computer registry (the regedit thingie) contains your identity. You wanna give hackers the go-ahead to get all that? Awesome. Have fun explaining to the credit card company or your mortagage company or your bank why someone, using your name, just applied for and received an enormous loan, and -you- are being held responsible for it, since it was done in your name.

Yes, these things -do- happen. And they happen to all sorts of people. Mostly though, they happen to people who don't take precautions.

So have fun, do what you like, but when something happens and I say "I toldja so," don't get pissed. It's your own doing.

Even people who take super precautions can be hacked.

I don't have enough in my computer to worry about, and if they want my identity, I wish them luck. Their credit rating is probably better than mine to start with. If they can get an enormous loan in my name, I hope they'll tell me how they did it.

Like Anticor said. Some of us just live our lives, have fun, and hope for the best. If the best doesn't happen, we deal with it and move on.

At what point did I cry and scream lawsuit? I think I would be correct in saying I didn't.

A lawsuit or even an arrest for this kind of crime is most unlikely. Our judicial system is still not equipped to deal with internet crimes, and there aren't many solid laws that apply.

I might not be a computer expert, but I do know a little about law. I know enough that you wouldn't hear me threatening anything. I know better.

[Drew2]

Zone Alarm says:

277704 Intrusions have been blocked since install.
918 of those have been high-rated.

I got 6 more while writing this post.

[AnticorRifling]

I don't save cookies, I don't save passwords, I don't save any CC info on my computer, I will never have to explain to my credit card company that I got "hacked" and that regedit thingie is really easy to clean if you know how(I do) so again I'll just live my life and keep my important info on my removable media.

[imported_Kranar]

I've actually offered people money to hack my computer.

I have disabled my firewall for them to do so, I have opened up all file sharing services, and yet nothing has happened. And I was serious too, you know you stumble into conversations around campus on how easy it is to get hacked, and I just say fine... bring it on and I'll give you 40 bucks if you do.

It's mostly just talk and scare... come on... people like the thrill of being scared, the internet is this new mysterious thing that's incredibly powerful and it makes it ever so exciting to think that people are going to take your precious valuables away from you.

In reality though, unless you do something stupid, you can enjoy the internet to its fullest and then some, and never have to worry about a thing.

Life is best experienced when you just... well... relax.

[Tsa`ah]

Kind of hard to get critical info when it's not there.

[imported_Kranar]

Oh and just for kicks...

user77-197.chestnut.utoronto.ca

That's my static I.P. address. Please, I invite you all to hack your heart out. KaZaa is open 24/7, MSN, AIM are usually open, I have an FTP server running on port 21 and between 7-8 my MUD runs on port 31415.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Kranar
Oh and just for kicks...

user77-197.chestnut.utoronto.ca

That's my static I.P. address. Please, I invite you all to hack your heart out. KaZaa is open 24/7, MSN, AIM are usually open, I have an FTP server running on port 21 and between 7-8 my MUD runs on port 31415.

I'm kicking myself right now for dropping Computer Science as my major.

Son of a bitch.

[AnticorRifling]

Open port 81 and then talk to me.

[Soulpieced]

Kranar, quite a simple thing. In Gemstone, Ciston had offered in the past something like 10 million silvers to anyone to bring him a short sword based *fish spine sword*. Apparently there is also some school like harvard or psychological study that will give anyone who can prove they are psychic 1 million dollars. Nobody has ever completed it successfully.

[imported_Kranar]

Port 81 is open and is now being used for FTP.

[Notsosweet]

I am not trying to cross post , I posted about this on Klaive's boards also .. Im posting here because it is an issue that both boards should be aware of :

I just got a VERY amusing phone call it went something like this:

Kniquee : Hello ..
Man : BITCHHHH ! < laugh > You think you are so smart...
Kniquee: Um WTF are you talking about who is this ?
Man: GO F*** < Person > !!! not like he really wants you <the man hangs up on me>

I belive from the names that were used in this phone call that i did not post < for his privacy> this is the same person that hacked my IP .. Since this phone call i have recieved others , he is angry that i posted about my IP being hacked . Just wanting you all to know to be careful .

[AkMan]

Um. So someone hacked your ip, got your phone number and called you? Do I understand this correctly?

[Tendarian]

So umm has Kranar posted since he opened up port 81? Just curious.

[Notsosweet]

Originally posted by AkMan
Um. So someone hacked your ip, got your phone number and called you? Do I understand this correctly?

Well he didnt get my phone number from my IP ...I dont know how he got my number...but yes someone hacked my IP then when i posted about it on the boards he started to call me .. He isnt happy that i posted about this Even though i never mentioned any names

[AkMan]

How...did someone get your phone number? Please explain, this sounds alot fishy to me.

[CrystalTears]

How about you stop using the internet until your lawyer takes care of it? Staying online isn't helping, is it?

It's half light-hearted, half serious.

[AkMan]

Couldn't have that CT. It would solve problems.

[Notsosweet]

How about you take this seriously ? The person that is doing this is a poster on both boards .

[AkMan]

Sorry Kniquee, I'm having a hard time doing that at this point. The ip hack was fishy enough, but a phone call?

You never answered my question...how the hell did someone get your phone number? Is it listed? Is it on a profile on one of the boards? Have you given it to other GS people? Have you given it to Klaive?

[Notsosweet]

Originally posted by AkMan
Sorry Kniquee, I'm having a hard time doing that at this point. The ip hack was fishy enough, but a phone call?

You never answered my question...how the hell did someone get your phone number? Is it listed? Is it on a profile on one of the boards? Have you given it to other GS people? Have you given it to Klaive?


Try ...it was listed on information on my computer.. because he did breach my firewall

[CrystalTears]

These are the risks that come with being online and posting on message boards. Me saying to stay offline is not such a horrible thing.

You already seem to know who did it I'm sure or you wouldn't make a public display about this. Someone has it out for YOU not the board members in general, so perhaps you should deal with it privately instead of posting and exposing your IP even more.

[AkMan]

Oh. Your phone number is in your computer.

So ..... let me try to understand again since my simple brain cannot comprehend this.

Someone hacks your computer. They don't do this to get financial information from you. They don't use it to steal all your passwords, log on your GS character sell their shit and deed em. They don't use it to scam other people out of money remotely from your pc.

They hacked your ip to simply post under your name on a message board.....and get your phone number to call you? Eesh.

[Notsosweet]

Originally posted by AkMan
Oh. Your phone number is in your computer.

So ..... let me try to understand again since my simple brain cannot comprehend this.



They hacked your ip to simply post under your name on a message board.....and get your phone number to call you? Eesh.

yes that is what im saying .. Im not the only one this has happened to .. Im the only one to recieve calls but not the only one whos IP has been used to post with. Nobody knows what all has been taken from my computer , but Im assuming that my phone number was one of them .

[Edited on 10-8-2003 by Notsosweet]

[Camri]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
These are the risks that come with being online and posting on message boards. Me saying to stay offline is not such a horrible thing.

You already seem to know who did it I'm sure or you wouldn't make a public display about this. Someone has it out for YOU not the board members in general, so perhaps you should deal with it privately instead of posting and exposing your IP even more.

Not to defend Kniquee or anything, (I'm not into defending her much these days)
but I don't think this is just someone who has it in for HER. I've spoken with others who have had the same problems, minus the phone calls. All posters from here and Klaives boards.

Off the top of my head, I could guess who she's implying is doing this. He's a known hacker.

I bet I could make an accurate guess that Kranar is aware of this problem, and I bet he knows who it is too.

[CrystalTears]

I'm inclined to believe that all of this originated on the other boards, not here, since they like starting stuff up to antagonize people, especially the owner.

[AkMan]

Originally posted by Notsosweet

Originally posted by AkMan
Oh. Your phone number is in your computer.

So ..... let me try to understand again since my simple brain cannot comprehend this.



They hacked your ip to simply post under your name on a message board.....and get your phone number to call you? Eesh.

yes that is what im saying .. Im not the only one this has happened to .. Im the only one to recieve calls but not the only one whos IP has been used to post with.

Um. Sorry, but this is the first time I've heard of this and I've been a mod on these message boards for a long time.

I suppose they got your forums password when they hacked your computer, but left your ebay, paypal and GS password alone? Come on, from my point of view how does this sound?

[Camri]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I'm inclined to believe that all of this originated on the other boards, not here, since they like starting stuff up to antagonize people, especially the owner.

And I would be inclined to agree with you, but if this is the person I'm thinking of, she's right, he posts on both boards and people from both boards have been affected.

Maybe instead of trying to minimize the situation, or make a fool of the poster, you guys should just say thank you for the warning and becareful.

[Notsosweet]

Originally posted by AkMan

Originally posted by Notsosweet

Originally posted by AkMan
Oh. Your phone number is in your computer.

So ..... let me try to understand again since my simple brain cannot comprehend this.



They hacked your ip to simply post under your name on a message board.....and get your phone number to call you? Eesh.

yes that is what im saying .. Im not the only one this has happened to .. Im the only one to recieve calls but not the only one whos IP has been used to post with.

Um. Sorry, but this is the first time I've heard of this and I've been a mod on these message boards for a long time.

I suppose they got your forums password when they hacked your computer, but left your ebay, paypal and GS password alone? Come on, from my point of view how does this sound?

First of all i dont use Ebay ...second i dont have a paypal acct and third GS has already been changed ..

[CrystalTears]

Post with? You mean they've been posting as you? What proof do you have of that?

[Camri]

Kniquee,

Even if you notified Gs and the other places you may have passwords. Be sure to change all the PWs anyway.

[Tsa`ah]

Let me get this straight.

All of these "hack" victims are from Klaive's board. Correct?
Anyone from these boards been hacked in such a manner?

Now let's see who can keep up.

Lemme see... the only people can see IPs on this board are Kranar, CT, and mods.

On Klaive's board.... Well I'm pretty sure Klaive can see the IPs, maybe you mods.

Hmmmm.... What's 1+1 again?

Even if someone had your IP. There is much more to it than simply sending packets to YOUR PC. They would have to navigate the server YOUR PC is connected to.

I'm not going to beat around the bush. I don't buy it. It stinks of ploy.

[Notsosweet]

CT read your U2U

[CrystalTears]

It happened there, why are you bringing it here? Just because it happened in one message boards, doesn't mean it will happen everywhere. Unless you have the same password for both boards. And why do you have your password written on your computer? Do you have spyware on your computer?

This is just a big slice of swiss cheese info.

[Soulpieced]

Soulpieced is lost.

[StrayRogue]

Tsa, your post is pretty much right, unless Kiquee is chatting shit. Even if Klaive hasn't got anything to do with this, he probably hasn't taken some precaution or some such. If you are smart, you won't get hacked.

[Kurili]

I'm lost too, Soulpieced.

Acolyte Kurili

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Kurili
I'm lost too, Soulpieced.

Acolyte Kurili

It's the red hair.... does it everytime.

[Souzy]

Oh man oh man...this just gets better and better. Like Camri says, I'm not here to defend anyone, but prolly explain the situation a little better. I'm not having as much problems as poor Kniquee here.


Originally posted by AkMan
Oh. Your phone number is in your computer.

So ..... let me try to understand again since my simple brain cannot comprehend this.

Someone hacks your computer. They don't do this to get financial information from you. They don't use it to steal all your passwords, log on your GS character sell their shit and deed em. They don't use it to scam other people out of money remotely from your pc.

They hacked your ip to simply post under your name on a message board.....and get your phone number to call you? Eesh.

This person who's using our IP's is doing this just to annoy her and I. So yes, he has it in for her. As far as him taking his time out to call her. That's amazing. And no Klaive does not have her number and I doubt he'd even give someone's phone number out. He maybe an ass majority of the time, but because he get's along with Kniquee, he wouldn't do that to her. But, to get back on track...how else did he get her number? He couldn't have looked her up on www.switchboard.com, there's hundreds of Jane Doe's that live in California. This person is just making matters worse by calling her house and harrassing her. Some how your firewall slipped up Kniquee and as So and so said, you have to reformat your computer to get rid of that little bug that's infesting your computer. You don't neccessarily have to stop coming online all together. Just reformat and wipe everything out and start out new. Now why couldn't anyone just say that here, instead of jumping on her back? All she wanted to do was give you a warning, hence the title of this topic "WARNING!!!!"

I don't think that this person would dare try to use her CC numbers or dip his fingers in her bank account, because that's real jail time. And I'm sure he doesn't want to be Big Bubba's girlfriend. He's just doing this to annoy her.

What this person did with the IP's was mask our IP's. So when ever he posted either her IP or my IP would show up. So if he chose to do something severe on other sites and used one of our IP's, it would come back to bite us, not him. He did not log in as us or pose as us. He masked our IP's.


Originally posted by CrystalTears
It happened there, why are you bringing it here? Just because it happened in one message boards, doesn't mean it will happen everywhere. Unless you have the same password for both boards. And why do you have your password written on your computer? Do you have spyware on your computer?

This is just a big slice of swiss cheese info.

I'm confused on this one, because there's no where in Notsosweets posts that she mentions anything about saving passwords on her computer. What she did say was "First of all i dont use Ebay ...second i dont have a paypal acct and third GS has already been changed ."

As far as finding out that someone has been masking IP's. I found that out for myself, when I asked Kniquee to look at this person's IP for me, because I thought at that time he was attempting to hack through my computer. Then it turns out, he has been posting under my IP. He's known for trying to hack people, so I wanted to see if he was trying to hack me. So who knows if someone has been using someone elses IP over here? I doubt you guys have the time to look at every member's IP address and compare each and everyone. I just found out by mere coincedence. Like I said, the topic of this thread is "WARNING!!!". Her purpose was to give this forum a warning, it wasn't meant for people to ridicule her on what she was trying to tell you.

Edit heh :D

[Edited on 10-8-2003 by Lalana]

[Tsa`ah]

Masking an IP is possible from one Unix/linux system to another Unix/Linux. Last I heard, this was not possible with MS products due to how the Winsox is handled (if I tagged that name right).

A person could be using Linux at home and masking the IP to other Linux systems, but every non Linux platform the packet went through would show the actual IP, or just not pick it up period.

Masking doesn't work in this situation.

[CrystalTears]

She mentioned that someone was posting as her. The only way they could post as her was to get her password to log in as her.

I'm sorry but I along with others find the whole matter hokey and undefined, full of holes, and rather strange that this would be happening on his boards, you all seem to know who it is, and it's probably someone that hasn't been banned there. You would think hacking his moderators' IP and pissing him off would constitute a ban, no?

Oh and I didn't offer the advice about reformatting a hard drive because there are other less drastic alternatives. There is software to help with spyware and such.

[Edited on 10/8/2003 by CrystalTears]

[Souzy]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Masking an IP is possible from one Unix/linux system to another Unix/Linux. Last I heard, this was not possible with MS products due to how the Winsox is handled (if I tagged that name right).

A person could be using Linux at home and masking the IP to other Linux systems, but every non Linux platform the packet went through would show the actual IP, or just not pick it up period.

Masking doesn't work in this situation.

You're old school Tsa. Times a changin' :P

[Souzy]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
She mentioned that someone was posting as her. The only way they could post as her was to get her password to log in as her.

I'm sorry but I along with others find the whole matter hokey and undefined, full of holes, and rather strange that this would be happening on his boards, you all seem to know who it is, and it's probably someone that hasn't been banned there. You would think hacking his moderators' IP and pissing him off would constitute a ban, no?

Ahhh yes yes, we've asked, it's up to Darien if he wants to ban him. All this person did was flame on his board so far. As far as trying to "hack", which he failed immensely with me, it's up to Darien. I just find it amusing how this person chooses to kill time. It's not a big issue with me.

[Scott]

Although I find it amusing that everyone is jumping all over someone for giving a simple warning, I do have to agree with some things..... First off, getting someones Name, Address, Phone Number, etc. is very easy to do. I could pull up Klaive's info in about 5 seconds if I wanted. So it's really simple, if you are worried about your name, address, phone number, email etc. being out in the open, don't use the internet.....

As for a hacker of this forums. No offense to anyone but I don't think anyone on this forum is smart enough or knowledgeable enough to start hacking into peoples computers and stuff. Changing you IP address is a joke, a 4 year old can do it. I always found it amusing that some people use to freak out about Tandrek changing his IP/location... Browsers have help files on changing you IP address, it's not hard......

Lastly. The internet is full of people who can get your information. If someone knows what they are doing, they are going to get your info whether you have a firewall or whatever. Just don't store your bank account number or CC# on your computer and you should have nothing to worry about....

[Notsosweet]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Masking an IP is possible from one Unix/linux system to another Unix/Linux. Last I heard, this was not possible with MS products due to how the Winsox is handled (if I tagged that name right).

A person could be using Linux at home and masking the IP to other Linux systems, but every non Linux platform the packet went through would show the actual IP, or just not pick it up period.

Masking doesn't work in this situation.



ok then answer me this.... If this isnt possible like you say.. Then why when i logged out turned off everything and called my provider and they ran a check on the IP was it in use ??? ..if i wasnt logged on to anything and my connection had been disconnected ? It is possible that is why when i contacted my provider they involved the police.

[Scott]

<<<ok then answer me this.... If this isnt possible like you say.. Then why when i logged out turned off everything and called my provider and they ran a check on the IP was it in use ??? ..if i wasnt logged on to anything and my connection had been disconnected ? It is possible that is why when i contacted my provider they involved the police.>>>

What ISP do you use. Not the name but type? DSL, Cable, dial up.....

[Notsosweet]

cable

[Scott]

Ok, now when you say you turned everything off, Tell me EVERYTHING you did.....

[Parkbandit]

I think it's nothing more than a imaginative conspiracy theory used to gain attention. I know crap about computers.. but when Kranar says it's not happening.. I'm leaning that way.

His social and political views are tainted... but when it comes to computers and math.. I'm simply going to take his word for it.

[Souzy]

Originally posted by Gemstone101
Ok, now when you say you turned everything off, Tell me EVERYTHING you did.....

OMG...Big Daddy Sin up in da hizzouse!!! Kniquee I advise you to run, run as far as your puny legs will take you, he will eat you and spit you out. *runs and hides*

[Notsosweet]

Originally posted by Gemstone101
Ok, now when you say you turned everything off, Tell me EVERYTHING you did.....

I did what my provider told me to do ... i went and unplugged my ethernet wire and then unplugged my modem
and by that i mean, unplugged the power cord ... meaning unplugged the power cord from the modem and a few other things.. I dont remember what they were exactly since i am VERY computer Illiterate.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
I think it's nothing more than a imaginative conspiracy theory used to gain attention. I know crap about computers.. but when Kranar says it's not happening.. I'm leaning that way.

His social and political views are tainted... but when it comes to computers and math.. I'm simply going to take his word for it.

Totally agree.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Gemstone101
Although I find it amusing that everyone is jumping all over someone for giving a simple warning, I do have to agree with some things..... First off, getting someones Name, Address, Phone Number, etc. is very easy to do. I could pull up Klaive's info in about 5 seconds if I wanted. So it's really simple, if you are worried about your name, address, phone number, email etc. being out in the open, don't use the internet.....

As for a hacker of this forums. No offense to anyone but I don't think anyone on this forum is smart enough or knowledgeable enough to start hacking into peoples computers and stuff. Changing you IP address is a joke, a 4 year old can do it. I always found it amusing that some people use to freak out about Tandrek changing his IP/location... Browsers have help files on changing you IP address, it's not hard......

Lastly. The internet is full of people who can get your information. If someone knows what they are doing, they are going to get your info whether you have a firewall or whatever. Just don't store your bank account number or CC# on your computer and you should have nothing to worry about....

Well, you may as well prove it. Kranar posted his IP and open ports already. I'll send you my IP via U2U. Post whatever you find.

If you're feeling froggy, go post in one of my folders and change your IP from post to post.

[Scott]

Ok. Now you do realize that when you unplug all that info, you IP address changes. You don't have a static IP (always remains the same.) When you unplug your cable modem, your IP changes when you plug it back in and reconnect to the ISP (which can take 10 minutes sometimes.) You IP will change and it is free for someone else to use. So when you changed you IP, someone else could have easily taken over that IP so it looked to be connected. I think you've been a victim of "script reading stupidity" because most of the people you talk to are people who type in your question on a computer and up pops the answer. They have no idea apperently and it shows that they would say something as stupid as what they told you.

[AkMan]

I don't have cable modem anymore, not available where I live. But when I did, my ip address never changed. I remember because I had it on a sticky note on my monitor to give my friends when we'd hook up for online games. For a year, through numerous reformats and power outages my ip never changed when using cable modem.

[CrystalTears]

Not for cable and DSL it don't.

[Scott]

Originally posted by AkMan
I don't have cable modem anymore, not available where I live. But when I did, my ip address never changed. I remember because I had it on a sticky note on my monitor to give my friends when we'd hook up for online games. For a year, through numerous reformats and power outages my ip never changed when using cable modem.

That's strange, around here, my IP (and everyone elses) changes when you unplug the router/cable modem. That is suppose to happen in case you get a fault with you IP so you have the ability to change it if you have too.

[Notsosweet]

Originally posted by Gemstone101
Ok. Now you do realize that when you unplug all that info, you IP address changes. You don't have a static IP (always remains the same.) When you unplug your cable modem, your IP changes when you plug it back in and reconnect to the ISP (which can take 10 minutes sometimes.) You IP will change and it is free for someone else to use. So when you changed you IP, someone else could have easily taken over that IP so it looked to be connected. I think you've been a victim of "script reading stupidity" because most of the people you talk to are people who type in your question on a computer and up pops the answer. They have no idea apperently and it shows that they would say something as stupid as what they told you.

Ok its like this .. BEFORE i unpluged my provider ran some sort of trace and saw that my IP was being used not only by me but someone else as well .. they then had me talk to someone in their Fraud dept... Then i unpluged .. so then the provider reset my IP and half an hour later i was back and running .. i can understand that they read shit out of a book to shut someone up .. But in this case they reset it for me they told me so and when i got back on i went into to look and it was diffrent.. so thats all i know

[Scott]

It's possible for 2 IP's to match. It happens. That doesn't mean that someone is purposly doing it. Office networks have this problem more often then others because when you are on, your computer is assigned a new IP and sometimes they happen to match another. I'm not a huge network person that studies nothing but networks, but I do know about them. IP's matching happen sometimes. I don't know the whole story because I wasn't there, but rest assure that it's is VERY unlikely that it was intentional.

[GSLeloo]

Kniquee, next time someone hacks into your computer, don't tell anyone. In fact, if some virus was being kicked out by PC and you were the first one to get it and could save everyone else, don't tell them. They'll like you better that way.

[Notsosweet]

LOL Leloo .. naww its all good .. Ill keep being me and trying to be nice .. if they dont want me to warn them then maybe they wont read what i post ?

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Gemstone101

That's strange, around here, my IP (and everyone elses) changes when you unplug the router/cable modem. That is suppose to happen in case you get a fault with you IP so you have the ability to change it if you have too.

That's the way it works with my cable modem. You unplug the modem from the service for about 2 or 3 minutes and when plugged back in, it will reinitialize and gain a new IP address.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Kniquee, next time someone hacks into your computer, don't tell anyone. In fact, if some virus was being kicked out by PC and you were the first one to get it and could save everyone else, don't tell them. They'll like you better that way.

Firewall + virus protection = Keep it to yourself because I am already protected.

:bouncy:

[CrystalTears]

Well Notsosweet, I apologize for coming down on you. Perhaps the cross posting is what caught my eye initially and I just don't want to see that type of stuff here anymore. I got defensive with you when I shouldn't have. You brought up a concern and you had a right to.

I'll keep an eye out for anything acting funky. U2U me or the head honcho. ;)

[Edited on 10/8/2003 by CrystalTears]

[AkMan]

I'm with CT. Thanks for the heads up Kniq. I'm no computer wiz so maybe I shouldn't try to act like one.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Gemstone101

That's strange, around here, my IP (and everyone elses) changes when you unplug the router/cable modem. That is suppose to happen in case you get a fault with you IP so you have the ability to change it if you have too.

That's the way it works with my cable modem. You unplug the modem from the service for about 2 or 3 minutes and when plugged back in, it will reinitialize and gain a new IP address.

That's how they all should work. I've never heard of it being any different. If they didn't it causes a huge problem, which would be really stupid for them to do. I guess it's possible though since Gokkem (too bad, you are still gokkem whether you change your name or not! :lol: ) said his didn't.... I'm wondering though, do you remember the name of the company that you use for your cable modem?

[AkMan]

Well Sintik, I live in Alaska and it was GCI cable up here. Maybe it could be the type of network it's running on? I'm really not sure. My friend just got DSL .. when I talk to him tonight I'll ask him what happens when he disconnects his modem. I'd like to get to the bottom of this static ip thing.

[Notsosweet]

Originally posted by Gemstone101

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Gemstone101

That's strange, around here, my IP (and everyone elses) changes when you unplug the router/cable modem. That is suppose to happen in case you get a fault with you IP so you have the ability to change it if you have too.

That's the way it works with my cable modem. You unplug the modem from the service for about 2 or 3 minutes and when plugged back in, it will reinitialize and gain a new IP address.

That's how they all should work. I've never heard of it being any different. If they didn't it causes a huge problem, which would be really stupid for them to do. I guess it's possible though since Gokkem (too bad, you are still gokkem whether you change your name or not! :lol: ) said his didn't.... I'm wondering though, do you remember the name of the company that you use for your cable modem?

You mean who makes my modem ? well if thats what you ment then its a Surfboard cable modem by Motorola is that what you wanted :?: I told you im dumb when it comes to this stuff

[Edited on 10-8-2003 by Notsosweet]

[JustMe]

I have a cable modem and my IP doesn't change. It's been unplugged many times and always remains the same IP. It might all depend on who your ISP is.

Edited to Add: There's nothing important stored on my computer anyhow, no passwords, no bank account information, just some poetry and a few pictures. If you want to keep all your sacred information sacred, burn it onto a CD and *never* use your bank info on your computer, especially with an open modem that is always on.

[Edited on 10-8-2003 by JustMe]

[AkMan]

At this point, my best guess has got to be dependent on your ISP. I would venture a guess that newer technology changes your ip when you disconnect, while older technology is static. I only say this because we are last to get new technology usually here in Alaska.

[Scott]

This could be it. I live in Philadelphia so Everywhere around me there is a city close by so everything is up to date. I've never heard of a cable modem not changing IP's when you unplug them, but I do believe you. It just suprises me that they wouldn't have updated it. I'll look into a little more later when I have some time but thanks for telling me. If I ever have to work out west I won't sound like an idiot arguing with someone about that.

[imported_Kranar]

Time to clarify some things...

You can attempt to give yourself a static I.P. if you have cable, or heck, technically even dialup The chances of maintaining a static I.P. via dialup are greately reduced for obvious reasons (hundreds of connections disconnections and I.P. reassignments), but on cable it's certainly possible.

Under Windows you just click on Network Connections, select your network connection, click on Internet Protocol (TCP/IP), then select the "Use Following I.P. Address" and enter the I.P. address you wish to use.

If that I.P. address is available, and your ISP is within that I.P. range, then it's yours. I can go into a whole lecture on varying ISP's I.P. ranges, but essentially if you just love your I.P. address so much that you want to keep it, then enter your current I.P. address into the tab and your computer will automatically request for it when it logs onto the internet.

[imported_Kranar]

As for piggybacking off of someone elses I.P. address, the answer is simple:

Impossible.

You can not just hijack someones I.P. address and use it as your own while someone else is using it, and keep it after they've disconnected. I mean think of how absurd that notion is anyways, just logically.

Two people have the same I.P., person A is the real holder of the I.P., and person B is the supposed "hax0r". How on God's earth will a server know who to send information to? How would a server know that one packet of information is supposed to go to the hax0r, while another packet is supposed to go to the real individual?

The closest thing possible is proxying information through someone elses computer, but that requires that the proxied computer is active at all times. Once it shuts down, that's the end...

Anyhow, my stance on this is simple... fishy things are happening on Klaive's forums, DUH!! But they're not happening here. If on Klaive's forums there's some sort of I.P. mangle because the I.P. database has been screwed around with, then so be it. That problem doesn't happen here, never has, never will.

[Edited on 10-8-2003 by Kranar]

[Betheny]

I'm still not sure I really get it. What harm can someone do if they know your IP?

[Souzy]

Kranar lets have dinner and talk about binary numbers :D

01001100010001010101010001010011 010011010100100101001110010001110100110001000101 :thumbsup:

[Skirmisher]

Run Kranar, Lalana's after you .
The whole binary numbers thing is but a ruse! Don't fall for it!

[Souzy]

Dammit Skirm! You ruined my whole plot! I was luring him in with the whole binary numbers act. Ahhh well...on to plan B. I have good country music Kranar. I KNOW you can't resist country music, LOL.

[peam]

I'm going to have to perscribe Lalana and Kniquee to take two of these and call me in the morning:

http://www.funmdse.com/store/media/10101m.jpg

[Betheny]

Classic! LOL

[Souzy]

I'll slap you Peam. Don't even get on my case about BSing.

[Xcalibur]

:rolleyes:

[GSLeloo]

Why do you some of you have to keep being assholes? She stated her case and you keep picking at it. I know it's boring everywhere right now, but do you have to entertain yourselves by attacking her? Seriously, it's like she tries to warn you that a deadly virus is coming to kill you and instead of listening to what she's saying you pick at her "Maybe she made the virus. Maybe she's making it up. Maybe we should sit here till one of us dies and then maybe we'll pick more at it cause she's wrong and we have to make sure we say that."

[HarmNone]

If it were me, and I truly believed that my firewall had been breached, I would shut down, uninstall and reinstall my firewall and ensure that any information I wished to keep private was NOT stored on my computer. If I had any file-sharing capabilities installed, like KaZaa (or whatever they call it), I would seriously question whether I really needed it or not.

I would then get myself a stiff drink, ensure myself that having knowledge of my IP would not render me subject to all manner of nefarious probings, and return to whatever I was doing before I discovered this little breach in my security blanket. ;)

HarmNone, whose ZoneAlarm eats Alpo

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Why do you some of you have to keep being assholes? She stated her case and you keep picking at it. I know it's boring everywhere right now, but do you have to entertain yourselves by attacking her? Seriously, it's like she tries to warn you that a deadly virus is coming to kill you and instead of listening to what she's saying you pick at her "Maybe she made the virus. Maybe she's making it up. Maybe we should sit here till one of us dies and then maybe we'll pick more at it cause she's wrong and we have to make sure we say that."

i don't want to start anything... ok?

But point is, the hacker, was someone from HERE..

and she tried to... hmm, use that to make that person BANNED...

i'm sure now you understand :spin:

[Souzy]

This whole thing is making me sick. And she wasn't trying to ban anyone Xcalibur. She, like the title of this thread states, put out a "WARNING!!!"

And Sintik put out an example where you can some how, I don't know, but you can change the IP of your own posts, and use someone elses. And he displayed it in his Tsa thread. http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=1889

And with that, good night all. :D

[imported_Kranar]

What Sintik did has nothing to do with what's being discussed.

Tandrek did that way back, it's just using a proxy server. It's not even hacking or anything, it's perfectly legit.

[AkMan]

I don't think Sintik was using someone else's ip. He was merely using an unused, available ip. Kranar stated that 2 ip's can't be in use at the same time. I believe him.

[AkMan]

<doublepost>

[Edited on 10-9-2003 by AkMan]

[Ilvane]

Maybe everyone should take a deep breath, and relax. Get a firewall set up on your computer(Such as Zone Alarm which is free), and get things safe.

-A

[imported_Kranar]

<< He was merely using an unused, available ip. >>

Oh the story just gets complicated. That I.P. was in use, and Sintik did use it to post here. But, if that proxy server shut down, then Sintik would no longer have had that address.

Sintik didn't steal it, all that happened is that... I phone you AkMan, and then you phone Sintik on another phone, and then everything I tell you, you tell Sintik, and everything Sintik tells you, you tell me. You are now a proxy between the two of us. If you hang up, that's the end of the conversation. I can't STEAL or piggyback your phone line.

You can do the same thing with the internet, for example I was talking to Weedmage about how I would set up a proxy for her so she could play Gemstone from work. Her work has a firewall, so she can't access Gemstone's port, but I could open up a proxy connection on my computer so she could connect to me on an available port, I connect to Gemstone, and then she can play GS using me.

[Edited on 10-9-2003 by Kranar]

[Trinitis]

Well, I know for a fact around here the IP's on the local cable modems do NOT change when you reset, "power cycle" or what ever else. I dono if the ISP assigns our ISP's or what, but mine has been the same since my modem got installed, and my parrents has been the same since they got theres.

-Adredrin

[AkMan]

Thanks Kranar. I think I get it now.

[Betheny]

I don't care. What are they going to steal? Porn I stole, or music I stole?

LOL.

[Scott]

All I did to get that IP was google anonymous proxy server and then pull clicked on one and picked an ANONYMOUS one, not a transparent one. Then saying you are using Internet Explorer, go to the bar at the top, go to tools-Internet options.....

Then go to connections, then LAN settings. Then use proxy for your LAN. Type in the number listed and then the port. Click ok and there you go. However I wouldn't use the one I listed as that was like the top one on the google list so it runs REALLY slow since so many people would use it since it's like the first one.

All a proxy is is connecting you to the proxy, then to the site you're going to. So the site see's the proxies address. They shut down constantly so sometimes they aren't easy to find a working one. If you are really interested in using one constantly, you'll end up paying like $20 a month for a decent connection that is stable.

Nobody used a proxy in this case, I was justing showing something to Tsa'ah. It has nothing to do with this which is why it was in another topic...... But I really don't think there is a case here. I think the ISP people who talked to her are morons and they talked her into thinking she got hacked or something. IP's don't dissapear when you use them and then sign off. They don't just poof and then are never seen again. It was just a coincidence that really has no point. I wouldn't worry about anything that happened but I certainly wouldn't jump on the poster simply because she wanted to warn you of something that she believe's is dangerous.....

[Scott]

Originally posted by Maimara
I don't care. What are they going to steal? Porn I stole, or music I stole?

LOL.

<<Edited because I don't want to cause a panic that doesn't exist>>>>

[Edited on 10-9-2003 by Gemstone101]

[HarmNone]

You know, folks, the world is getting smaller and smaller. The internet connects people who may never meet. Who knows who any of us really are (unless we have met in person)? If the idea of having strangers able to access you is worrisome to you, you really do not belong on the internet at all.

Put up reasonable defenses (firewall, virus program) and behave reasonably while online. Keep those defenses updated. Then, just relax and have a good time. There is no way we can expect to be completely safe in this complicated world. Any of us could get hit by a runaway truck while taking out the trash tomorrow morning. Is it likely? No. Could it happen? Sure. Shall I live my life in fear of runaway trucks causing my demise? I think not.

HarmNone says: Have fun, folks. Life is short. :D

[StrayRogue]

Totally agree HarmNone. To think, without the net, I may have gone my entire life without the love and adoration of such fab people as HN, CT, Ilvane, Maimara, etc, et al. God, to think they would not have knonwn me....!

[Ben]

Every MOD on this board has your IP number!!!! oh no

[Artha]

Only if you've posted in their forums.

[Betheny]

I don't care who knows my IP number.

Hell, if you can 'hack' my computer, good damn luck trying to get it to work properly.

[Adhara]

Originally posted by Notsosweet
I belive from the names that were used in this phone call that i did not post < for his privacy> this is the same person that hacked my IP .. Since this phone call i have recieved others , he is angry that i posted about my IP being hacked . Just wanting you all to know to be careful .

There were many holes and obscure parts in Kniquee's story. I'm not saying anyone is lying, just that there's a lot that doesn't make sense. She says she knows who it is yet "protects" his identity. All very strange.

But yes a warning nonetheless. We shall all be careful from now on.

[GSLeloo]

And if she gave the identity everyone would say she was just trying to get them in trouble and that she was lying.

[GS4Gurl]

Maimara, I love your bunny.

[Camri]

Must you people keep beating this horse?

She gave a warning, about something she believes.

I'm not even speaking to her at the moment, because of another issue, but I'm decent enough to say thank you for the warning and not flame her, or to accuse her of making it up.

If naming the person who's suspect is so awfully important to you, I'll name him. I think she probably wasn't naming him because it's wrong to publicly accuse people of things like that. Not to mention the post will probably be pulled.

I'm not accusing this person. I don't know him. I'm just supplying the info you seem to need for whatever reason, so you can stop being mean.

The person in question is Xcalibur. Happy now?

[imported_Kranar]

Look, this is a problem with Klaive's forums, not here. Can this discussion resume there somehow?

I just don't see why a problem with Klaive's BBS is doing here, and this is the second time it's happened. Fellas, the guy obviously screws around with the I.P. database, he hijacks peoples usernames and uses them to post. It doesn't surprise me one bit that someones I.P. address on his forums got switched with someone elses.

I just fail to see what it has to do with this BBS.

[Weedmage Princess]

Heavy stuff. Very heavy stuff.

Well, I can't say yay or nae....but...thanks for the warning, and I'll keep my eyes open :)

[Snapp]

I think the best advice is... when talking to people you don't know.. or don't know WELL.. do NOT connect directly through AIM or click on any links they may send you unless you know the web page. This may be common sense to some, but those of us who are not very computer literate (myself included) may not know that. Some people have a habit of IMing random people and trying to directly connect to them.

Just a word of advice.. not meant to sound condescending or anything.

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by Kranar
Look, this is a problem with Klaive's forums, not here. Can this discussion resume there somehow?


Hell yeah...

How many times do you gotta flush the toilet til he's banished to the septic system where he belongs??? I'm getting sick of all the Klaive crap now, too. He doesn't post here, we have nothing to do with him, etc. etc. We were doing well a couple of days back where there was no mention of him...and all was well...let's keep that up. Can't PC be an Non-Klaive zone or something? Kinda like this planet was meant to be or something.

[Tsa`ah]

I tried a little experiment after soccer practice. While cooking dinner I would make trips into the office and power down the PC and completely disconnect the cable modem. I would leave it disconnected for no less than 10 minutes each time. All seven instances I connected with the same IP.

Then it dawned on me. In my area I have a choice between 4 different local phone carriers, 6 different cable providers (not including DS), 12 asdl providers (3 are actually the same company), and two different wireless broadcast providers. Not too shabby for a tri-city setup with a combined population under 120,000.

In larger cities the IP will probably change each time you completely disconnect from a network (using a non-dial up). In areas where there connections are grossly abundant among numerous providers there isn't going to be a constant rotation of disconnecting and reconnecting, thus taking the next space on the network routers.

That is all... I'm babbling. I'll go back to watching my crack kitty.

[Edaarin]

I think it's time we all took a collective step back and remember why the Player's Corner was reopened.

To make fun of Anticor for being a Mini Boom Boom and to have a place for senior citizens like Tsa'ah to maintain some modicum of human interaction.

I love you guys! Not really. But I still get a kick out of this place.

[Tsa`ah]

You funny man, that's why I kill you last.

[Weedmage Princess]

Aww... Lil Boom Boom!!!

~Weedie, who would dare not say that to Anticor's face....while he was sober.

[Adhara]

I did not accuse anyone of lying or making up anything. I will rephrase what I meant to say.

The story doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me but it's not up to me to investigate. REGARDLESS of what's true and what isn't, I was saying that some good came out of it because it DID make me reflect on the security of my system and clean up a couple things.

Perhaps I was too subtle but what I meant to say was:

I'm not sure I'm ready to believe everything but thank you I appreciate the warning.

Edit: Err... I fail to see I where I was "mean" if that was intended for me. I did not want the name, I wanted a reason why she was "protecting" it. A simple, unemotional explanation would have been sufficient.

[Edited on 10-9-2003 by Adhara]

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
You funny man, that's why I kill you last.

But you promised to kill me last.

I lied.

[Kurili]

You're just insanely jealous of Tsa'ah's red hair, Edaarin. You wish you were one of us redheaded stepkids too.

Acolyte Kurili

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Adhara
I did not accuse anyone of lying or making up anything. I will rephrase what I meant to say.

The story doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me but it's not up to me to investigate. REGARDLESS of what's true and what isn't, I was saying that some good came out of it because it DID make me reflect on the security of my system and clean up a couple things.

Perhaps I was too subtle but what I meant to say was:

I'm not sure I'm ready to believe everything but thank you I appreciate the warning.

Edit: Err... I fail to see I where I was "mean" if that was intended for me. I did not want the name, I wanted a reason why she was "protecting" it. A simple, unemotional explanation would have been sufficient.

[Edited on 10-9-2003 by Adhara]

That's why the whole story was stupid. It was not a warning, it was a story

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
You funny man, that's why I kill you last.

But you promised to kill me last.

I lied.

Commando rules.

[Notsosweet]

Kranar asked to see my police and server reports. I'm posting the police report below. The server report will not be available for 10-14 days Also I'm posting the IM's exchanged between Kranar and I. I just want everyone to see how public opinion affects his answers. The first set of IM's was from before I posted the warning, and everyone started doubting me on the boards. The second set was after many had replied..... I'm leaving your forums now. I'm sure there will be many of you that will be happy about that. BUT before I go, I want to show you how wishy washy your Admin is. Enjoy.


LordKranar: Hey did you get the Xcalibur issue resolved?
LdyKniqueE: not yet
LdyKniqueE: the police left my house a few hours ago
LordKranar: Alright, well as it is, I can't ban Xcalibur unless he actually uses your name to post. It's pretty sickening what he's done, and believe me I'd love to find an excuse to ban him, but until he actually carries out something on the BBS I can't do anything about it.
LordKranar: He's impersonated me in the past and I know what he did to Rsen
LordKranar: But they've both been off of the forums
LdyKniqueE: i know
LdyKniqueE: he impersonated Klaive to me yesterday
LdyKniqueE: not that you care about Klaive
LdyKniqueE: lol
LordKranar: I do not. Well if he does make a post under your name, let me know via U2U or e-mail or whatever method you can so I can get this issue settled with, atleast as far as the forums are concerned.
LdyKniqueE: well i will tell you this
LdyKniqueE: im scared to post on PC
LdyKniqueE: im afraid people will rip me up
LdyKniqueE: i mean if he was to post something
LdyKniqueE: how would i prove it wasnt me
LordKranar: I will know it wasn't.
LdyKniqueE: but you would have to go off the I{
LdyKniqueE: er IP
LdyKniqueE: and lol
LordKranar: No, I know...
LdyKniqueE: its MY IP
LordKranar: Yes, it's your I.P. being hacked by him
LdyKniqueE: ok ok
LdyKniqueE: lol
LordKranar: If something is posted under your name that you did not post... let me know IMMEDIATELY
LdyKniqueE: ill tell you aas soon as i can
LordKranar: I will take care of it and clear it up so no one gets the wrong idea
LdyKniqueE: the best suggestion i have is you put me on your buddylist
LdyKniqueE: and if you dont see me signed in on AIM
LdyKniqueE: then you KNOW i didnt post it
LordKranar: It's alright, just let me know it wasn't you via e-mail actually... since he might hijack your U2U
LordKranar: E-mail or AIM
LdyKniqueE: ok i added you to my buddylist
LdyKniqueE: im scared that you arnt you
LdyKniqueE: lol
LordKranar: I can easily prove it
LordKranar: I mean however you want
LdyKniqueE: lol
LordKranar: I can U2U you or whatever
LdyKniqueE: no its ok
LordKranar: E-mail you
LdyKniqueE: i just get jumpy at first
LordKranar: Yeah, to be honest...
LordKranar: I've been looking for a reason to ban Xcalibur for all the wrong things he's done.
LdyKniqueE: you are speaking well
LordKranar: But he's never done anything on the forums.
LdyKniqueE: i know hes a little smart for that
LdyKniqueE: did you see his post under my warning thread ?
LdyKniqueE: he pulled it out though
LordKranar: So I have no reason to ban him, but he does something stupid like post pornography or snuff on the forums using your account name, then I can get rid of him once and for all
LordKranar: I did not see it
LdyKniqueE: he said " 10 bucks the bitch trys to say it was me "
LordKranar: Oh did he...
LdyKniqueE: then i posted and he pulled his post
LordKranar: Ah
LdyKniqueE: yes it was RIGHT before Grays
LordKranar: Well I have to get going for now, hopefully I can sack Xcalibur and get him off my BBS soon. Then Klaive will have to find a way to get him off his forums as well!
LdyKniqueE: oh we are working on that
LdyKniqueE: thank you
LordKranar: See ya and be well
LdyKniqueE: you as well


next :

LordKranar: So your stating that your I.P. address was being used by him AFTER you disconnected from the internet?
LdyKniqueE: yes
LordKranar: You know that's impossible right?
LdyKniqueE: not if hes on it
LordKranar: I see, come to think of it...
LdyKniqueE: thats what the fraud dept said ...he got booted out
LordKranar: I think this is just Klaive screwing around with peoples I.Ps on his forums
LdyKniqueE: about 30 seconds after i logged
LordKranar: Wouldn't surprise me
LdyKniqueE: honestly kranar i know how you feel about Klaive .. but this isnt him
LordKranar: Well here's my final stance on this... because I know this claim that someone somehow managed to steal your I.P. is infact impossible... maybe you have some technicality screwed around but ultimately this is a problem on Klaive's forum
LordKranar: Not the PC
LordKranar: It doesn't surprise me that this happened only on Klaive's forums
LordKranar: And that it has never happened on the PC, nor will it ever
LordKranar: It won't ever happen simply because it's impossible for someone to "piggyback" someone elses I.P. address
LdyKniqueE: then how would the fraud dept get involved ? and have the local police dept come here to my house and take a report
LdyKniqueE: it isnt impossible .. you dont want to believe me then dont i cant make you
LordKranar: Oh it's not about believing
LdyKniqueE: but since you think im "lying " about the whole thing...
LordKranar: I'm a CS major, we learn these things
LordKranar: It's just impossible plain and simple
LordKranar: I mean if you look at the scenario logically, just in simple terms you see why it breaks down
LdyKniqueE: well .. it isnt.. i dont know what to tell you
LordKranar: Nothing nessecary
LordKranar: I know this for a fact, I wasn't exactly looking for a second opinion.
LordKranar: I wanted to inform you that if you are seriously concerned with this issue
LordKranar: You speak to Klaive, because this can only indicate that the I.P. database is being screwed around with
LdyKniqueE: look im 26 yrs old i have better things to do than make shit up
LordKranar: I didn't say you're making anything up
LordKranar: No need to get defensive
LdyKniqueE: and if you feel that i am lying and not being logical
LordKranar: On the contrary my advice to you should be taken seriously
LdyKniqueE: ill tell you what ...
LdyKniqueE: we can both not worry about it happening on PC anymore because i wont post there anymore .. how's that ?
LdyKniqueE: minus the first anymore
LordKranar: That sounds like good advice
LdyKniqueE: you know what pisses me off ??
LordKranar: What might that be?
LdyKniqueE: one minute you are being totally cool about this .. ie how can i help ...etc and the next you think im not being logical
LordKranar: Given the right misunderstanding, I can see how that can cause frustration.
LdyKniqueE: so frankly.. this is how i see it now
LdyKniqueE: You can ban me from the PC i really dont care .. Since Sintik left as ADMIN i think its a bunchoff ass kissing shit talkers anyway .. so ....you say one thing to me and then you change it as soon as you go to post ...sorry about the anger .. frankly i dont need this on top of everything else going on right now .. so on that note .. take me off of PC.. ban me whatever .. i dont want to be a part of that anymore.. Im not into playing favorites.. that was back in high school and this is stupid
LdyKniqueE: that is all
LordKranar: Be well.



and last of IM's :

LordKranar: Klaive's forums simply aren't reputable enough for me to believe it was Xcalibur. I've seen first hand Klaive and others hijack member accounts and post as them
LordKranar: Like Klaive posted as Artha for example
LordKranar: Klaive labelled an individual as Maimara, changed the info and everything and posted as them
LordKranar: Perhaps he's doing the same with Xcalibur
LdyKniqueE: i highly doubt it.. believe what you will then
LordKranar: I don't simply believe things
LordKranar: I draw conclusions based on logic
LordKranar: It is illogical the story you're telling me
LordKranar: It doesn't mean you're lying
LordKranar: Or making something up
LordKranar: It simply means perhaps you have misunderstood something yourself
LdyKniqueE: well then would you like a copy of the police report or perhaps a copy of the fax my internet provider is sending ?
LordKranar: Sure, scan it and send it to me
LordKranar: kranar@hotmail.com
LdyKniqueE: fine as soon as i can scan it i will
LordKranar: How long will it take?
LdyKniqueE: i need to get a copy of the report from the sheriff dept
LdyKniqueE: but since this there seems to be some sort of issue about truthful ness i will pay the 10 bucks and get it tomorrow
LordKranar: And the ISP report?
LdyKniqueE: Ill call them tonight
LordKranar: Sounds good
LdyKniqueE: this is bullshit i want you to know that
LordKranar: I know you're upset and I'm sorry about that, but I also know you dislike me from the getgo, so it's not unexpected.
LdyKniqueE: i didnt dislike you
LdyKniqueE: i NEVER said i did
LordKranar: Oh come on... don't even try that
LordKranar: Yes you did
LordKranar: You've told plenty of others who have told me
LdyKniqueE: whatever
LdyKniqueE: im 26 yrs old and im not going to get sucked into this ass kissing bullshit
LordKranar: It's not whatever, I don't mind I don't take it personally
LdyKniqueE: you want the reports youll get them
LdyKniqueE: its not like you will go in and say i didnt lie
LdyKniqueE: so i dont know what you want them for
LordKranar: I'm just saying, it's not unexpected of you to be frustrated with this since you do dislike me
LdyKniqueE: because it isnt a lie
LordKranar: I never said it was
LordKranar: The only one who said anything about this being a lie is you
LdyKniqueE: and because you are protecting Xcalibur ???
LordKranar: Xcalibur is the last individual I would ever protect
LordKranar: He knows that, hell everyone knows that
LdyKniqueE: he called me
LdyKniqueE: he got my number
LdyKniqueE: you wont belive that he posted it then deleted it about something that was said in a private IM
LordKranar: Not if it's on Klaive's forums
LordKranar: I don't believe anything posted there, honest
LordKranar: If it's on mine I can atleast verify it
LdyKniqueE: well the person that saw it wouldnt lie
LordKranar: Who knows, maybe Klaive posted it, or someone else
LordKranar: It's not unheard of
LdyKniqueE: lol it wasnt him
LordKranar: Maybe it was, maybe not
LdyKniqueE: but whatever you want to go off of
LordKranar: The point is...
LdyKniqueE: it wasnt
LordKranar: That BBS has no credibility
LordKranar: When an administrator has already hijacked peoples posts...
LordKranar: It loses all credibility
LdyKniqueE: Fine...then i dont see what the point of you reading my fraud reports are
LdyKniqueE: you have made up your mind
LordKranar: No, send them to me
LordKranar: You agreed you would
LdyKniqueE: why do you want them is all im asking
LdyKniqueE: you seem to have made up your mind
LordKranar: So I can have a look at them
LordKranar: Read what happened myself
LdyKniqueE: fine


and now ...here we are you asked for the proof and here it is ...

since maimara copied it to you i will take the attach. off thank you all and goodbye

[Edited on 10-10-2003 by Notsosweet]

[Edaarin]

I'll get back to this thread once my team of archaelogists decipher that attachment.

EDIT: Wordperfect...?

[Edited on 10-10-2003 by Edaarin]

[peam]

Woo Hoo.

[Betheny]

Yeah, what program do I need to open it with?

[Edaarin]

And Kniquee:

Perhaps it isn't my place to say this, and I'm sorry Kranar if you didn't want this out, feel free to edit it. He wasn't swayed by public opinion. Not one hour after you started the WARNING! thread, Kranar informed us moderators that he was suspicious of you scheming to use the excuse that someone was hacking you so that you could post vulgar and obscene material and not be blamed for it.

Not one hour after you started that thread.

[Betheny]

It might be better if you scan the actual original document. People won't doubt its authenticity then.

[Notsosweet]

yes it is a word perfect .. that happens to be the most commonly used here where i live .. its not only used by the police dept and the fire dept and many many others .. So i guess if you dont have Word perfect you cant open it ...
And Edaarin .. the first IM was WAY before i made the warning thread
that is all goodbye.

[Camri]

If anyone can open that, can you paste it so the rest of us can see it?

I wanna see!

[Betheny]

Here's what it shows when I pull it up with MS WORD.

ON 10.8.2003 AT APPROXIMATELY 1320 HOURS . I ARRIVED AT THE RESIDENCE OF

UPON MY ARRIVAL I CONTACTED THE VICTIM JANE ROSE. VICTIM STATED YESTERDAY ( 10.7.2003) THAT SHE HAD CONTACTED HER INTERNET PROVIDER ABOUT A POSSIBLE COMPUTER IP HACKING . I ADVISED VICTIM THAT HER INTERNET PROVIDER HAD CONTACTED OUR DEPARTMENT AND I WAS FOLLOWING UP WITH HER ON THE MATTER. (PER INTERNET PROVIDER INFORMATION THE IP OF THE VICTIM WAS IN USE BY SOMEONE OTHER THAN VICTIM) VICTIM STATES SHE ‘DOESNT KNOW MUCH ABOUT COMPUTERS AND HOW THIS COULD AFFECT HER .” I ADVISED VICTIM THAT I WOULD SEND THIS REPORT TO HER INTERNET PROVIDER AS WELL AS DETECTIVE’S. IT WOULD REMAIN ACTIVE STATUS TO BE FOLLOWED UP .



NOTE: VICTIMS IP HAS BEEN CHANGED BY PROVIDER ALSO NOTED INFORMATION PROVIDED BY INTERNET PROVIDER STATES THEY SPOKE WITH VICTIM AND ADVISED HER THAT THEY WOULD CONTACT THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT. ADVISED ALSO THAT THE IP WAS IN FACT IN USE BY SOMEONE ELSE WHEN PROVIDER RESET IP FOR VICTIM THE SUSPECT HAD LOST CONNECTION AS WELL. NOTHING FURTHER AT THIS TIME.

[Camri]

Thanks Maimara.

[Betheny]

I have to go to work now, but I used to work as a medical transcriptionist, and they hold to the same standards as a police transcriptionist.

I KNOW I would've gotten fired if I had written a report with as many misspelled words, and typos, as that report.

[Edaarin]

You started the thread October 6th, 9:27 PM.

Kranar posted everything he needed to say October 6th, 9:58 PM. That's hardly enough time to be influenced by public opinion.

But hey, since you've left you won't have read this post, so it's all moot, isn't it.

[Camri]

Originally posted by Maimara
I have to go to work now, but I used to work as a medical transcriptionist, and they hold to the same standards as a police transcriptionist.

I KNOW I would've gotten fired if I had written a report with as many misspelled words, and typos, as that report.

I'm not so sure about that one.

I work at a sheriffs dept, as a jailer. We don't have transcriptionists. The deputies type up all their own reports, and if I have a slow night, sometimes some of them will buy me dinner to type their reports for them.

I'm not the greatest typist in the world, and I know some of those deputies can't even spell.

Edited because I can't type well. :lol:

[Edited on 10-10-2003 by Camri]

[HarmNone]

In reading all that was said in the IMs, I do not see where Kranar ever called Notsosweet a liar. He never even intimated that she might be lying. What he said was that Klaive was probably at the bottom of this whole mess, and that Klaive was probably messing with the IP database on his site...which he has done on more than one occasion.

Personally, knowing what I have seen from Klaive in the past, this would not surprise me. For that reason I, like Kranar, would find it impossible to blame Xcalibur without undeniable proof that it was he.

Nevertheless, Kranar never said Notsosweet was lying.

HarmNone reads well

[Back]

Good riddance.

[Lord Deprav]

WAAAAAAAAAA!

Why is it everyone is such an f'en crybaby. There is no way that is a police report! I have read way too many police reports. And if that is a statement...Your pretty dumb.

I admit I didn't read the whole thing. But this here is what I get from it. Someone is hacking into your computer. And you are now crying to Kranar. And trying to make him look like a dick in public. Let me recite again "WAAAAAAAAA" Quit your goddamn crying and try asking here for help. I know there are people here who can refer to you different ways of avoiding someone hacking into your computer. And not to mention if they are hacking with you IP address ect...I wouldn't look at it as you being the dumbass, but the person out smarting the world. Just a wild guess but he probaly knows you RL name and called you ISP and asked them for your IP using your name so that he could screw with your account.

Deprav
Who use to know of sites where IP addresses could be altered really easily.

[CrystalTears]

That's not wishy-washy. That's playing the good cop/bad cop by one person.

I'm sorry that everyone didn't jump to your defense and not completely believe what was going on with you. Had this been a regular occurrance without any other influences, people would have been more supportive. Probably the fact that you came here cross-posting from another boards that people aren't interested in listening from, and then all of a sudden starting with accusations that originated over there, don't be so hard on the people here for being defensive themselves.

I wish you luck and much happiness wherever you go.

[Scott]

Well I'm not going to touch on some things that are just so wrong on both sides cause I don't feel like a big debate......

First off, it's kind of sad that people did jump on her for expressing a problem. Whether or not it's true or not, I don't think people should have jumped on her for it. I really doubt if someone else said it, it wouldn't have turned out the way it did.....

I Don't believe anyone is hacking her, and I see no reason why Kranar should/can ban Xcaliber. You can't just ban someone because another person is saying somethingabout them. So I don't know why anyone would go at Kranar for not banning Xcaliber for this reason.

Lastly. PC is suppose to be fun, enjoy it and don't get so worked up when people post something.

[Red Devil]

<3 KRANAR

[Xcalibur]

I bid you farewell!

p.s. don't forget to close the door while leaving:lol:

[Skirmisher]

Xcalibur, please just be quiet.

[Xcalibur]

Skirmisher, I return you the request

just let it die and let me savour the fruit of victory

:rolleyes:

[Edited on 10-10-03 by Xcalibur]

[HappyGuyJr]

Darnit! Does this mean you wont be sharing your Porn on Kazaa? :no:


Originally posted by Notsosweet
I was only attempting to tell all of you because I know all the stuff i have on my computer and i wouldnt want anyone to have it .

[Ben]

Who cares if someone posts as you on a messageboard, its the internet.