Kids

[Arctal]

In light of the various threads about children and raising them, I felt this was a worthy contribution....


....To explain why SOME people need a damn parenting test.


http://www.alldumb.com/item/13011

[ElanthianSiren]

Make me some punch n. pie! PUNCH N PIE!!! err...muther fuckin' chocolate milk!

-M

[The Cat In The Hat]

I totally agree... as a matter of fact we were talking about this at work today.

Yes, people should be licensed to have children. I dont mean based on income or anything stupid like that. And it shouldn't come with any fees like a drivers license. I strongly believe though that there needs to be a mandatory mental evaluation as well as a parenting class before issuing such license... And anyone with a conviction for sexual abuse against a child gets the gift of sterilization.

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat
I totally agree... as a matter of fact we were talking about this at work today.

Yes, people should be licensed to have children. I dont mean based on income or anything stupid like that. And it shouldn't come with any fees like a drivers license. I strongly believe though that there needs to be a mandatory mental evaluation as well as a parenting class before issuing such license... And anyone with a conviction for sexual abuse against a child gets the gift of sterilization.

I'd have to say that is an utterly retarded idea. What is your stance on abortion?


GOD WILL JUDGE YOU ALLLLLLLL!!!!

[Viridian]

Oh man, first off I can't believe his mother was one, letting him play a violent game, and two taking his back sass...

I would have pulled the damn playstation out of the TV, washed his mouth out with soap (for all of the cussing) and made him go to his room.

His mother is obviously a pushover.

[The Cat In The Hat]

Originally posted by Xyelin

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat
I totally agree... as a matter of fact we were talking about this at work today.

Yes, people should be licensed to have children. I dont mean based on income or anything stupid like that. And it shouldn't come with any fees like a drivers license. I strongly believe though that there needs to be a mandatory mental evaluation as well as a parenting class before issuing such license... And anyone with a conviction for sexual abuse against a child gets the gift of sterilization.

I'd have to say that is an utterly retarded idea. What is your stance on abortion?


GOD WILL JUDGE YOU ALLLLLLLL!!!!


Why is it retarded to ensure that the people that have kids will ACTUALLY TAKE CARE OF THEM?

Do you realize just how many children are mistreated, abandoned or shoved into the cold arms of the government systems, lost and forgotten about?

Now add to this how many people that are convicted of a sex crime against a minor child have minor children themselves... who they are themselves likely abusing.

Not to mention on the other end, the women who have babies just because they can get paid for it be it from a man paying child support or the welfare system.

I'm sure you will find something in the above to disagree with and by all means please do. I have my opinions and you have yours.

Abortion is a womans right. It's her body it's her choice, plain and simple.

[Edited on 10-5-2005 by The Cat In The Hat]

[Satira]

I could have fixed that situation with four words.

I'm getting my belt.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Why is it retarded to ensure that the people that have kids will ACTUALLY TAKE CARE OF THEM?>>

It doesn't ensure anything. What a fucking joke.

<<Do you realize just how many children are mistreated, abandoned or shoved into the cold arms of the government systems, lost and forgotten about?>>

Clearly telling people to take a class is going to stop a biological process.

<<Now add to this how many people that are convicted of a sex crime against a minor child have minor children themselves... who they are themselves likely abusing.>>

Imagine how many people are murdered daily. Telling people to stop committing murder is obviously the best choice. Let's make it mandatory to have a class in pacifism, too.

<<Please, you have your opinions and I have mine.>>

You're pushing your opinion on others when you say, "Yes, people should be licensed to have children."

<<Abortion is a womans right. It's her body it's her choice, plain and simple.>>

Excuse me? I am a man, it's my body, but there are definitely laws preventing me from making choices entailing changes to it. You can't seriously think "it's her body it's her choice" is even close to a valid statement.

[Bobmuhthol]

I see you added another sentence.

<<Not to mention on the other end, the women who have babies just because they can get paid for it be it from a man paying child support or the welfare system.>>

You can be 9999% licensed to have a child and still do this. wtf is wrong with you?!

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by Satira
I could have fixed that situation with four words.

I'm getting my belt.

Let me prefix this with I'VE NEVER USED MY BELT. But my girls are scared to death of it and that is a good thing. The other night at dinner the mother asked my 5 year old why she listens to daddy and not her and her answer was... daddy has a belt and I'm scared of it. PWN!

[Drew]

Originally posted by Arctal
In light of the various threads about children and raising them, I felt this was a worthy contribution....


....To explain why SOME people need a damn parenting test.


http://www.alldumb.com/item/13011


Whenever I see these kinds of kids and parents in the grocery store or wherever I want to spank the parents. Screw up your own life if you want but at least instill a little discipline in your kids. The kids are, unfortunately, in for a huge suprise when they enter the real world with their sense of entitlement and it's not their fault, it's the parents.

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat

Originally posted by Xyelin

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat
I totally agree... as a matter of fact we were talking about this at work today.

Yes, people should be licensed to have children. I dont mean based on income or anything stupid like that. And it shouldn't come with any fees like a drivers license. I strongly believe though that there needs to be a mandatory mental evaluation as well as a parenting class before issuing such license... And anyone with a conviction for sexual abuse against a child gets the gift of sterilization.

I'd have to say that is an utterly retarded idea. What is your stance on abortion?


GOD WILL JUDGE YOU ALLLLLLLL!!!!


Why is it retarded to ensure that the people that have kids will ACTUALLY TAKE CARE OF THEM?

Do you realize just how many children are mistreated, abandoned or shoved into the cold arms of the government systems, lost and forgotten about?

Now add to this how many people that are convicted of a sex crime against a minor child have minor children themselves... who they are themselves likely abusing.

Not to mention on the other end, the women who have babies just because they can get paid for it be it from a man paying child support or the welfare system.

I'm sure you will find something in the above to disagree with and by all means please do. I have my opinions and you have yours.

Abortion is a womans right. It's her body it's her choice, plain and simple.

[Edited on 10-5-2005 by The Cat In The Hat]

These same children that you ban via llicense could become nobel prize winners and artisic geniuses or just plain contribute to something special no matter how small... might even be a "Hi" to someone on the bus that changes the world.

Womens choice.?? yes. Consequences.. maybe.

Would the world be better or worse with or without you Cat in the hat?

[Vesi]

That game would have been yanked out of the plug in 2 seconds flat if any child talked to me like that in my house. As for the chocolate milk... I would have made him watch me pour it down the drain.

Vesi

[The Cat In The Hat]

Ahhh.. Ok so i see that this is personal for you and not just a general discussion Xyelin.

How is stating my opinion "pushing it on others" bob? Thats just a plain stupid statement. It's GIVING my opinion which I like you, am fully entitled to do.

A parenting class is not intended to stop a biological process, it's intended to give people tips on how to raise a child. You should find out what something actually is before you respond against it.

I won't defend my opinions any further because I do not have to.

And please... if you're going to badmouth someone on Psinet it's better to make sure they are there. And for the record, I have never heard of the movie Fortress.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<How is stating my opinion "pushing it on others" bob? Thats just a plain stupid statement. It's GIVING my opinion which I like you, am fully entitled to do.>>

You gave it as a fact. Nothing showed that it was opinion. You're just a plain stupid idiot.

<<A parenting class is not intended to stop a biological process, it's intended to give people tips on how to raise a child. You should find out what something actually is before you respond against it.>>

lmao you have to be the biggest fucking idiot ever. You want a class to help the people who you claim abuse childbirth. What makes you think the class will be successful for people whose actions are unaffected by societal standards?

<<I won't defend my opinions any further because I do not have to.>>

This, to me, says, "WAH!!!! *cry cry cry*"

<<And please... if you're going to badmouth someone on Psinet it's better to make sure they are there. And for the record, I have never heard of the movie Fortress.>>

[OOC]-You: "Okay let's see if I'm crazy or not."
[OOC]-You: "Making parent licenses mandatory: brilliant or impossible+fucking retarded?"
[OOC]-Gigantuous: "You're talking a license to reproduce? Brilliant, but impossible."
[OOC]-Shaelun: "... as in, needing a license to have a kid?"
[OOC]-You: "Yeah."
[OOC]-Shaelun: "... Well, since you asked for input, here's mine: I think it'd turn out a lot like prohibition did"
[OOC]-You: "And prohibition, thank God, is illegal."
[OOC]-You: "Like, the person arguing how flawless it is is trying to say that it solves all of life's problems"
[OOC]-You: "Somehow having a license means nothing can go wrong"
[OOC]-You: "There will no longer be sex offenders"
[OOC]-You: "Oh and no child will ever be abandoned"
[OOC]-Shaelun: "Pardon? ... who is this gibberish coming from?"
[OOC]-You: "And it prevents a woman from having children and getting child support!"
[OOC]-You: "Gothique."
[OOC]-Dungath: "anyone round solhaven dead in shan"
[OOC]-You: "I don't think she's ever made a good point in an argument."
[OOC]-Aradohl: "licensing to be a parent? did someone watch the movie fortress one too many times?"

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat
Ahhh.. Ok so i see that this is personal for you and not just a general discussion Xyelin.


Wasn't personal.. just asked a few questions that you obviously couldn't muster a response for. Have a nice day.

[ElanthianSiren]

Actually, Indiana is presently trying to require a liscense to parent.

It's one of the threads of today. In theory, it's a good idea that expecting parents be more prepared for the duties of parenting through classes, (I don't advocate liscenses because they're too exclusive, as we saw in the Indiana attempt), but Bob has a point as well. You can't force a change in pathological behavior (like child molesting) through classes. You can't force someone to invest time, love, and interest in their child, even with a certificate of parenting.

-M

[The Cat In The Hat]

Thank you for all those wonderful uncalled for insults. That makes you such a better person with much more informed and valid opinions than mine. Eat a dick.

[Sean of the Thread]

I agree that there are serious retards and other mal contents having children. I agree that those children might be fucked. But I also think the government shouldn't be deciding who has babies. Is this China? Fuck china.. let us take it another step... what if the gov't started to ban based on race or sexual pref???

Your statement was so fucking stupid that I don't feel I need to continue any further.

[Aaysia]

For someone so young Bob, you have a major stick up your ass. That's my personal opinion.


Originally posted by Bobmuthol
You're pushing your opinion on others when you say, "Yes, people should be licensed to have children."

She pushed nothing. Sometime after she said that, she began a sentence with the words "I strongly believe..." Hence its her opinion

[The Cat In The Hat]

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren
Actually, Indiana is presently trying to require a liscense to parent.

It's one of the threads of today. In theory, it's a good idea that expecting parents be more prepared for the duties of parenting through classes, (I don't advocate liscenses because they're too exclusive, as we saw in the Indiana attempt), but Bob has a point as well. You can't force a change in pathological behavior (like child molesting) through classes. You can't force someone to invest time, love, and interest in their child, even with a certificate of parenting.

-M

No, you can't and I never tried to imply that you could. Parenting classes are not trying to change behavior. Parenting classes are classes that try to prepare you for situations you may encounter when raising a child. (Example http://positiveparentingthroughdivorce.com/?lt_c=overt)

[Sean of the Thread]

BTW.. recently I think I'm John "mutha fukin" Wayne. This may or may not contribute to the world society. Time will tell.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Thank you for all those wonderful uncalled for insults. That makes you such a better person with much more informed and valid opinions than mine. Eat a dick.>>

You're fucking stupid. :'(

Your reply, undoubtedly, will sound something like "WAH!!" again.

<<Parenting classes are not trying to change behavior. Parenting classes are classes that try to prepare you for situations you may encounter when raising a child.>>


I strongly believe though that there needs to be a mandatory mental evaluation as well as a parenting class before issuing such license

Now add to this how many people that are convicted of a sex crime against a minor child have minor children themselves... who they are themselves likely abusing.
Either you're saying that sex offenders will somehow be disallowed from having children or that giving parent licenses will stop sex offense.

<<For someone so young Bob, you have a major stick up your ass. That's my personal opinion.>>

My personal opinion is that you should stfu.

[The Cat In The Hat]

And there's bob again putting my words in an order where they best suit him. Nowhere did I say it would stop sexual offenders.

And believe me, nothing you could ever possibly say would get any reaction from me other than pure amusement.

Also, after reading your little clip of Psinet again... thank you for misinforming people as to what I said. NOWHERE did I fucking say it would solve everything.

[Edited on 10-6-2005 by The Cat In The Hat]

[Bobmuhthol]

<<And there's bob again putting my words in an order where they best suit him.>>

Isn't that the entire fucking practice of supporting a statement?

<<Nowhere did I say it would stop sexual offenders.>>

Then how is it relevant to the topic AT ALL?

<<And believe me, nothing you could ever possibly say would get any reaction from me other than pure amusement.>>

Wow you're SUPERCOOL!!!

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Also, after reading your little clip of Psinet again... thank you for misinforming people as to what I said. NOWHERE did I fucking say it would solve everything.>>

SOMEONE'S NOT AMUSED!!

[The Cat In The Hat]

Replying to you is pointless because you take everything I say out of context or make stupid baseless insults and I refuse to sink to the 15 year old level of namecalling and petty insults.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Replying to you is pointless because you take everything I say out of context>>

I'm sorry, would you rather have me quote the entire post and reply to the sentence that actually applies? Fucking idiot.

<<or make stupid baseless insults>>

My insults have plenty of base, I'm afraid.

<<I refuse to sink to the 15 year old level of namecalling and petty insults.>>

Please accept my sincerest condolences in informing you that what you're describing is not an age-specific element of discussion. And then stop being so blatantly retarded.

[DeV]

He would have been knocked the fuck out. Child abuse you say? Gladly, guilty.

[GSLady17]

When I read Goth's post I didn't think of it as anything more than an opinion. But just as a precaution, I will state that this post is all my opinion.

<<<Yes, people should be licensed to have children. I dont mean based on income or anything stupid like that.>>>

How are they going to take care of their kids when they have no money? My parents would have been ok with one or perhaps two kids, but they were dumb as hell to have four. If you aren’t wiling to work in life and take the necessary steps prior to starting a family, then why put your kids through torture of hearing you tell them, “Hey, tomorrow we may lose our house.”

There is no way in hell this could be pulled of. It would be a great accomplishment if there was a way to ensure that all children are raised by responsible, loving adults. However, there are kids that break the law by dropping out of High School; you can’t make someone take a class unless they want to.

<<<A parenting class is not intended to stop a biological process, it's intended to give people tips on how to raise a child.>>>

I believe that you can not be taught how to raise a child. You can be taught how to change their diapers etc. But I really think when you have your first child; you just have to jump in. If you have good standards, morals, values, and are responsible…You shouldn’t do too badly. But a class can’t teach you how to raise a kid. It’s just simple things like suppose the class taught you, never leave you kid home alone, never leave him alone in a car, and never beat him until he’s half dead-this is just common sense.

One person’s idea of a good parent may not be the same as another’s.

Let’s say the government threatened the people saying, “If you are caught with a child without having the required license, you will be fined, thrown in jail, or something along those lines.”

And obtaining the license was based on past criminal records, drug tests, anger tests, etc.

I predict that the statistics for abortion would at least double.

As for abortion, I believe there are situations that can justify abortion. However, I think it’s bullshit to say, “Hey, It’s the woman’s choice.”

Fuck the woman who spread her legs to get pregnant. I think the father should have a say. If the father is willing to take full responsibility of the child, then the mother should have to suffer through the birth. If one person is willing to raise the child, the child should at least have a chance. If it’s two 15 year olds and the father’s family is willing to take the child in, then I don’t think the mother should be allowed to have an abortion.

Keep in mind that I did say there were certain situations that can be justify abortion. So don’t twist my words around and say I agree with a rapist raising a child.

But if you chose to have sex, you should have to live with the consequences. I’d say make abortion totally illegal for those who chose to have sex, but then many children would be abandoned or neglected.

I guess also kind of leaning towards the men having some choice…

<<Not to mention on the other end, the women who have babies just because they can get paid for it be it from a man paying child support or the welfare system.>>


If a woman doesn’t want to have a kid due to having to take care of it or to dish out the cash for it, she can go out and get an abortion. However, the father, has no choice at all, he’s stuck paying for it even if he doesn’t want it. Yes, it was his choice to have sex, but it was hers too. ***Why should she get an out and the father left doing what she wants?*** They both decided to have sex.

If she wants the child she should take sole responsibility for it. Yeah it may be hard as hell, but it’s possible and you have to live with your choices.


I would just like to again, say that this is my opinion. Instead of making several different posts, I chose to group it all in one. I apologize if anyone has trouble reading it due to its length.

[Brattt8525]

So with your logic a woman has no right to do with her body as she feels needed, but the man who does not have to give birth to it has all the rights? Oh but wait he does not even have to pay for the child, because the child is the sole responsiblity of the mother? Your a fucking nut job.

[Skirmisher]

Don't even argue with Bob about this kind of stuff.

GS mechanics, or computer tech stuff, ask away, but really, he still just a child and given to childish sayings like "wah wah" or the like at any time.

[The Ponzzz]

Man, yer like 15 going on 42...

When i was 15, I wanted play Ninja Gaiden on Nintendo...

Wtf is going on?

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by Brattt8525
So with your logic a woman has no right to do with her body as she feels needed, but the man who does not have to give birth to it has all the rights? Oh but wait he does not even have to pay for the child, because the child is the sole responsiblity of the mother? Your a fucking nut job.


My point is a woman can sleep with a guy, not want to pay for the kid and have an abortion. The guy HAS NO CHOICE.


If the woman doesn't want to pay for a kid she should keep her fucking legs closed.


If the guy is willing to raise a child and pay for it himself, yes the woman should have to go through with it.

AGAIN: If the woman doesn't want to go through child birth or pay money she should keep her fucking legs closed.

[Shari]

Does anyone ever get to a thread...read it, want to reply to it, read all the other REPLIES and just finally decide, "FUCK IT."?

[The Ponzzz]

Originally posted by Jesae
Does anyone ever get to a thread...read it, want to reply to it, read all the other REPLIES and just finally decide, "FUCK IT."?

yea, all the time, I didn't even read all of em when I posted what i did. I had some defense to put up about how i woulda just garroted the kid, but then figured, I would just get flamed for trying to point out reason.

My thing is, how did this video come to be? Did he have like his mic on and the other guy just happened to be recording?

[Jazuela]

It looks like Cat in the Hat's delivery of the idea caused a stir - but in theory, I like it. I'd like to see it applied to welfare, in fact. Along with state-supported abortion, state-supported birth control, and state-supported voluntary sterilization. The general idea, as I'd like to see it:

If you start welfare while you're already pregnant, the state will support the kid as long as you continue to qualify for welfare, or he turns 16, whichever comes first. After that, the kid can get a part time job (which usually pays more than a child support check from welfare).

If you get pregnant while you're on welfare, you have a few choices: Have a state-paid abortion, sign the kid away for adoption, or lose your welfare checks and the kid gets taken from you.

If it happens twice, you are given the additional option of voluntary sterilization. If you don't choose voluntary sterilization (since sterilization can (rarely) sometimes miss) and it happens a third time, the kid gets taken from you -and- you lose your welfare qualification, -and- you risk having your other children taken from you because you've developed a pattern that indicates you're not responsible enough to raise children.

What's easier on the taxpayer's pocketbook? Raising a welfare family, or paying for an abortion? Raising a welfare family or paying for birth control? Raising a welfare family or paying for voluntary sterilization? Raising a welfare family or taking children -out- of welfare and into adoptive homes?

But then, I'm a pure-bred capitalist.

[The Ponzzz]

i don't know what state you live in, but most states have a 5 year max on welfare.. After 5 years, you are to be seen at court and you have a few choices. To reapply, to stop it, or to pay it back slowly.

Now I know yer idea is in fact an idea, but if yertaking a capitalist view, 16 years is alot of time to eat off the system. Taking the kids away thing, never would work. not just because they are on welfare anyways...

But here in NY. You can be on PA(Public Assistance). That gives you Section 8(free rent), Food Stamps($100 for every person in the household, up to 8 per month), a benefit card, or the "cash" card(again up to $100 per household member, maxing out at 8 Can be used for anything like, clothes, etc), HEAP(free heat, hot water, electricity), Medicaid(free health insurance), and then the welfare check once a month. After that you are also given a social worker who meets with you once every month or two to help you get back up on yer feet again. Now PA as of right now you can rape the system on it for a lifetime...

But your stance isn't that great... Apply the same reason for a felon. What's easier on a taxpayer's pocketbook? Letting him live in jail, or putting a $1.25 shotgun bullet into his skull? Nothing will work in this society.

The only thing, is not to let your kid's control you. Obviously that kid in the video know's nothing will happen. When I was a kid, my mom would threw the computer away and canceled the electricity just to teach me a lesson.

[Jazuela]

Yeah we have all kinds of programs for the poor in Connecticut. Section 8 housing, food stamps, etc. etc. But a minor is given everything, regardless of the status of the parent. Mom might have a job, and no longer qualify for welfare, but will still receive full benefit of food stamps and housing because she has a minor child living with her. So basically - people get rewarded (if you can call living in a slum a reward) for having kids. I truly believe this is what keeps some people "in the system." I also truly believe there are responsible adults who simply fall down on their luck and need a temporary hand up until they can stand on their own two feet again. A system like my idea (and yeah as you said it's just an idea, I'm not an economist or a social worker, I have no idea how it could be implemented), wouldn't hurt the responsible adult who needs help. It would only get a child out of "the system" and punish the irresponsible adult who put their child into it.

Oh and yeah I'm also pro-capital punishment, so the idea of a bullet to the felon's head is attractive :)


[Edited on 10-6-2005 by Jazuela]

[DeV]

Originally posted by Jesae
Does anyone ever get to a thread...read it, want to reply to it, read all the other REPLIES and just finally decide, "FUCK IT."? Yep. That's why I said what I'd do as a parent in that situation and left it at that.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Aaysia
She pushed nothing. Please look up the definition of the word "should".
Originally posted by Jazuela
What's easier on the taxpayer's pocketbook?Destroying the planet with our nuclear arsenel.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<My thing is, how did this video come to be? Did he have like his mic on and the other guy just happened to be recording?>>

I'm 99% sure the audio and video are from different sources. Like at the end the guy zooms in on the other guy's face, which talks at the same time the kid does.