Determining amount of weighting beyond incredible.

[Drew]

Is it possible for crit weighting in GS4? I was thinking that if got a low roll rank 9 on something in heavier armour it might be possible but I'm not sure.

[Soulpieced]

As far as I know, weapons beyond incredible should still assess as their weight above. IE: Somewhat, heavy, etc. beyond. These are usually only claidhmores.

[Drew]

Some weapons are unassessable. And there are exceptions to the claidhmore rule of course.

[Latrinsorm]

Yes.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Yes.

To what?

[Latrinsorm]

To your initial question. All you need is a rank 5 on what should have been a rank 1 on plate. If you don't have much of a Dex bonus, you can get by with getting a rank 4. Best get a couple though, because sometimes the crit divisor goes a little wonky. To find out exactly how much more than incredible it is would require a ton of work, because crit weighting doesn't always kick in all the way (more's the pity).

[MangledKitty]

Incredible is anything above +25. Technically, there's nothing above incredible, but +40 (claidhs) is the most mechanically documented on the functional scale.

[Drew]

And that's what I was referring to, weighting above +40, incredible probably wasn't the right term to use.

[Danical]

Jumping in late - but as an aside - I did research on Crit Weighting and Claids.

My research indicates there is no randomness associated with claids. They always end up doing 40 phantom points of damage. I've listed my formal analysis on the official website.

What claids still do suffer from, as do all weapons, is crit randomization.

Additionally, I cannot be sure if this only extends to claids or all crit weighted weapons in general. I don't really care because I use spells but just thought I'd throw that out there.

[Drew]

Originally posted by vulvamancer
Jumping in late - but as an aside - I did research on Crit Weighting and Claids.

My research indicates there is no randomness associated with claids. They always end up doing 40 phantom points of damage. I've listed my formal analysis on the official website.

What claids still do suffer from, as do all weapons, is crit randomization.

Additionally, I cannot be sure if this only extends to claids or all crit weighted weapons in general. I don't really care because I use spells but just thought I'd throw that out there.


Yeah I saw that on the officials. The weapon tested, which wasn't a claid, showed some randomization.

[Danical]

You mean the weapon that I used for my testing or another weapon in question?

Because I know the weapon I used for my testing was a claid.

[Drew]

The weapon I was interested in testing.

[Danical]

How much weighting did it have on it?

You would have to run a large number of samples to get away from the variance caused by crit randomization.

[Unique]

Originally posted by vulvamancer
You would have to run a large number of samples to get away from the variance caused by crit randomization.


I just want to verify my understanding. Say you do a hit that should be rank 1 and your crit weighting should take it up to rank 5. (Specific case here).

If the rank 5 crit is the pre-randomization result, what are the probabilities of doing rank 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 crits on that given strike? Are these probabilities even known?

If they are known then a sufficient sample of supposed-to-be rank 1 crits could be compared to the distribution of actual crits to get the effective (i.e. average) crit weighting value.

I'd have to think about it more to determine if this method would be accurate in any way, but it's just a thought.


Unique.

[Danical]

read the post in R andI folder on the officials - I spelled it out there.

[Warriorbird]

As far as weapons over incredible and testing? Don't buy them. They're not worth it. All the testing you need to do.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
As far as weapons over incredible and testing? Don't buy them. They're not worth it. All the testing you need to do.


Which ones have you used that you get this from? In my personal opinion, and just within my own experience, they are well worth it. YMMV.

[Warriorbird]

Several claidhmores. None impressed me.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Several claidhmores. None impressed me.


Claidhmores are unimpressive weapons outside of their inherit weighting. They aren't a good canidate for more weighting.

On the other hand, did you take them against full plate? It's hard not to be impressed with especially heavy weighted ones against plate.

[Warriorbird]

The amount of things in full plate that one hunts outside of Voln tends to be limited, unless you really like hunting people.

[StrayRogue]

I'd rather take 10x over incredible. Especially for a two-hander.

[Drew]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I'd rather take 10x over incredible. Especially for a two-hander.


High enchant + over incredible ftw!

[StrayRogue]

Agreed.