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lexbubba
09-19-2005, 10:22 PM
I am considering getting rid of my OHE, Brawling, and Shield training and replacing it with either Two Weapon Combat or Two Handed Weapon Training. Any Opinions on which is better: TWC (OHE) or THW? Thanks

[Edited on 9-20-2005 by lexbubba]

Artha
09-19-2005, 10:25 PM
THW.

Aaysia
09-19-2005, 10:29 PM
THW all the way

Warriorbird
09-19-2005, 10:42 PM
I used THW.

Apotheosis
09-19-2005, 11:02 PM
THW + ambushing, or OHE + ambushing. TWC is only for style points. Unless you have some high enchanted, uber crit weighting, or uber flaring weapons.

Drew
09-19-2005, 11:14 PM
For a warrior, THW is better.

Czeska
09-20-2005, 01:26 PM
THW, yes yes.

lexbubba
09-20-2005, 02:56 PM
For a warrior, Why is THW better than TWC?

Janarth
09-20-2005, 02:58 PM
Erm, correct me if I am wrong, but...

Wouldn't TWC produce a higher hp/sec damage rate, a higher rate of death to flares, less chance of failing an ambush or failing a melee hit altogether and....more style? At the expense of having to equip two weapons and put one away to pick up stuff?

Edited to change 'flairs' to 'flares' cause I'm an idiot

[Edited on 9-20-2005 by Janarth]

The Ponzzz
09-20-2005, 03:26 PM
Well, bleeding out a critter is tough work, in higher levels. But you also gotta remember, your off hand sometimes fails when uphunting anything over 5 levels.

I personally like TWC over THW, but weighing on strictly mechanics, THW is the way to go...

mgoddess
09-20-2005, 03:42 PM
I use TWC and I love it. But, depending on what type of weapons you use, I could most definitely see THW producing more hp/sec damage rate (claids anyone?), unless you have some nice weighting on your TWC-ing weapons.

Warriorbird
09-20-2005, 03:48 PM
Erm, correct me if I am wrong, but...

Wouldn't TWC produce a higher hp/sec damage rate, a higher rate of death to flares, less chance of failing an ambush or failing a melee hit altogether and....more style? At the expense of having to equip two weapons and put one away to pick up stuff?

Edited to change 'flairs' to 'flares' cause I'm an idiot

-Janarth

No, Yes, No, potentially.

The biggest problem with TWC is that you have to spend the extra training points.

This is not to say it isn't perfectly viable, just THW is better.

The Ponzzz
09-20-2005, 03:57 PM
Yea, and two blunt weapons are quite fierce. Though they lack a 1 second base rt one...

lexbubba
09-20-2005, 04:27 PM
From my understanding, Claid is the THW of choice. What are other viable THWs besides claid's?

The Ponzzz
09-20-2005, 05:25 PM
Flamberge, katana and mauls are on the top of the list...

Warriorbird
09-20-2005, 05:44 PM
I used a claidh, katana, and maul.

Janarth
09-20-2005, 05:45 PM
How does TWC with two stars (the off hand one being lighter, maybe an imflass star) stand up to, say, a claid. Aren't morning stars like .425 against skin...how fast could you swing two?

A flamberge is what on skin?

Just curious. I don't know how EBP works, so you're probably right on ambush/offhand failing at higher uphunting. I assumed the offhand swing was basically identical to the main swing, same chance of hitting/hitting the right spot, ie, half the chance of failing the ambush/failing to hit.

The Ponzzz
09-20-2005, 05:47 PM
The base RT is still high on a star, so even if light, the base rt is up there. I think a half krol with dex and agil maxed is the best way to play it off(elves being the second choice, but with a - to STR)...

Artha
09-20-2005, 08:40 PM
I used a battle axe, claidh and katana. The battle axe was my main weapon, the katana was my "Look, I can buy vaalorn katanas and you can't" weapon, and the claidh was my "Chadj needs help hunting and I already sold all my good stuff because I'm closing my account" weapon.

lexbubba
09-21-2005, 09:01 PM
If I were to train in THW, should I double in dodging since I no longer have a shield to protect myself?

[Edited on 9-22-2005 by lexbubba]

Warriorbird
09-21-2005, 09:02 PM
God yes. Some people reccommend 1x, but I wouldn't less than 2x.

Tsunami
09-21-2005, 09:30 PM
Yep, TWC...done both, like it better by far.

The Ponzzz
09-21-2005, 09:55 PM
I never recommend more than 1.75xing The .25 comes in handy for secondary skills...

mgoddess
09-21-2005, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by lexbubba
If I were to train in THW, should I double in dodging since I no longer have a shield to protect myself?

At least....if you have the points to spare (which will all depend on what other skills you train in), I'd suggest more then 2x'ing (perhaps sticking any extra points you might have at the end of levels into it). But I only say that because it adds to both defense and redux....

Warriorbird
09-21-2005, 10:16 PM
I never recommend more than 1.75xing The .25 comes in handy for secondary skills...

Stealth used to 3x. Secondary skills are overrated after a certain point.

aestrium
09-22-2005, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by lexbubba
If I were to train in THW, should I double in dodging since I no longer have a shield to protect myself?

[Edited on 9-22-2005 by lexbubba]

My polearm warrior trains 2x in dodge only because I have the points. Since you'll have to pick up TWC, you'll probably find TPs more scarce. I'm not sure what level you are or what your other training looks like, but I'd make these my priorities (in order): Armor Use, PT, Dodge.

I'd try to get as close to 3x PT as possible as quickly as possible. You might not be able to until you stop armor training at 140 ranks, but this is where I'd spend my spare TPs. Regardless of how much dodge you train, you ARE going to get hit if you don't have a shield. You'll want big armor and big redux so you can just shrug off respectable end rolls.

I'd never do more than 2x dodge. You can also get away with considerably less, depending on hunting style and CMAN selection. Since most warriors are in a situation where they are converting TPs, that third rank of dodge will cost you 40 MTPs. That's really steep for the minimal DS and redux it will get you. I'd rather use those points on a force-multiplier like MIU or AS.

Warriorbird
09-22-2005, 10:07 AM
If you train in two handed weapons you don't have to pick up TWC.

The benefits for 3xing dodge are not really DS benefits.

aestrium
09-22-2005, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by Warriorbird
If you train in two handed weapons you don't have to pick up TWC.

The benefits for 3xing dodge are not really DS benefits.

Ah, I misread that. But even without having to spend points on TWC, I still would be hardpressed to justify that third dodge rank.

While your chances for an outright evade would increase, I don't know if that marginal increase is worth 40 MTPs.

But I guess if you're not into having secondary/tertiary skills and all your other combat skills are where you want them... why not?

Warriorbird
09-22-2005, 10:56 AM
Yeah, with all my defense for it I still never trained a warrior at more than 2x dodge.

You can 2x dodge pretty easily with even paying OHE+TWC costs, however.

mgoddess
09-22-2005, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Warriorbird
You can 2x dodge pretty easily with even paying OHE+TWC costs, however.

Heck, you can 2x dodge with 2x in OHE, TWC, PT, and Armor, with secondary and tertiary skills added in..

SiKWiDiT
09-22-2005, 05:53 PM
Is brawling actually useful for a TWC warrior, or just something nice to throw extra points into?

Warriorbird
09-22-2005, 05:58 PM
If you want to look cool. I 2xed MO to look cool though, so hey.

SiKWiDiT
09-22-2005, 06:02 PM
Yeah, someone told me it was pointless.

Warriorbird
09-22-2005, 07:42 PM
Well... here's the thing. Brawling is best used these days for Voln Fu... and you can't hold both brawling weapons when doing Voln Fu... and shield use is the best defense for Voln Fu.