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Ravenstorm
10-05-2003, 01:10 PM
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=3559235

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/central/09/09/otsc.amanpour.otsc2/


So much for his promise to 'rebuild' Afghanistan. Bin Laden is still on the loose, the Taliban are regaining strength, Americans (and others) are being killed.

Hmmm. Yet we invaded Iraq and now are supposed to pay billions and billions to 'rebuild' that country. I wonder... What does Iraq have that Afghanistan does not?

Any Bush supporters want to take a stab at answering that question? Seriously.

Raven
StrayRogue
10-05-2003, 01:14 PM
Oil? Money? Perhaps something beyond petty mother-fucking vengence?

*tongue in cheek here. I know why the fucks are there. As does anyone with a brain. Heres a clue. Its not humanitarian aid.
Artha
10-05-2003, 01:33 PM
Err...yeah.

Afghanistan couldn't be bombed back into the stone age, because they already were there.

They're not up to european or american standards, but they are better off than they were.
StrayRogue
10-05-2003, 01:35 PM
Of course they are. Bush tells you they are. I am sure the kids are loving school in their shelled buildings. Oh its gonna be a cold winter in the desert this year...
imported_Kranar
10-05-2003, 01:43 PM
Their "president", Hamid Karzai, can not leave 30 kilometers outside of his headquarters or else the mob in Afghanistan have made it clear that they WILL kill him.
StrayRogue
10-05-2003, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Kranar
Their "president", Hamid Karzai, can not leave 30 kilometers outside of his headquarters or else the mob in Afghanistan have made it clear that they WILL kill him.

Gee, that was a successful war then, wasn't it :thumbsup:
imported_Kranar
10-05-2003, 01:51 PM
Well the misinformation is really that the only pictures of Afghanistan that people see is the capital, that Karzai has desperately bargained for. The mob in Afghanistan has agreed not to enter Kabul, but elsewhere Afghanistan has been partitioned into varying sectors where the mob controls all.

So yeah, in Kabul you have some nice pictures of people walking down the street, but once you go outside of the 30 kilometer radius, you find that nothing has changed.
StrayRogue
10-05-2003, 01:52 PM
Again, YAY mass-murdering and bombing by the "Coalition". Seems to have done the trick.
Artha
10-05-2003, 01:56 PM
Hey, mass murdering worked for the Taliban, why not us?
StrayRogue
10-05-2003, 02:00 PM
Hey, its not the first time you've used a "threat to the red white and blue" to mass-murder innocent civilians, so why change a habit of a life time?

[Edited on 5-10-03 by StrayRogue]
imported_Kranar
10-05-2003, 02:07 PM
<< Hey, mass murdering worked for the Taliban, why not us? >>

Because you can't have it both ways.

You can't say when it suits you, that you're out to save poor helpless people and you're being a benevolent guardian on one hand, and then act carelessly showing little regard on the other.

You know, you can try and do it, but that doesn't mean people will buy it.
imported_Kranar
10-05-2003, 02:13 PM
The only thing I will say that's sort of to the credit of the U.S. is that the U.S. didn't go into Afghanistan to rebuild it or whatnot. They went in there because they just got attacked and it was completely reasonable for them to treat Afghanistan as an attacking nation.
StrayRogue
10-05-2003, 02:15 PM
I suppose I can agree with that. But I thought we were a race of "evolved people". Seems we're still making the same mistakes we've been making forever.
Ravenstorm
10-05-2003, 02:19 PM
Let's try to get this back on track. To quote one of the articles:


Two years ago President Bush promised to rebuild Afghanistan in the grand tradition of the Marshall Plan for Europe after World War II. But two years on those promises have not yet been met.

Indeed, the Bush administration didn't include aid for Afghanistan in its 2003 budget to Congress and only added it after Congress asked why.


So. Afghanistan is in chaos, the situation there just as bad or worse than it is in Iraq. Bush tried to totally ignore Afghanistan, despite his promises, but got called on it and is now grudgingly going to give them one billion. Oh, and let's not forget this:


...and he has ordered one of its main highways rebuilt by the end of the year.

How nice of President Bush! And yet Iraq - which had NOTHING to do with 9/11 - was invaded and we're now supposed to give them 87 billion to rebuild them while Afghanistan lies in rubble and we still haven't managed to find Bin Laden.

"Curiouser and curiouser.' cried Alice.

Raven


edited to add: For the record, I was and still am totally in favor of us going in and kicking some ass in Afghanistan. The Taliban got exactly what they deserved and the only thing regretful is that we didn't manage to capture Bin Laden and shoot him right between the eyes.

[Edited on 10-5-2003 by Ravenstorm]
Artha
10-05-2003, 03:09 PM
Afghanistan lies in rubble

So we're pretty much leaving them as we found them...

This is a country where brickmaker and shepherd are common jobs. Iraq was alot better off.
HarmNone
10-05-2003, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by StrayRogue

Gee, that was a successful war then, wasn't it :thumbsup:

I suppose the only successful war would be the war that left everyone dead, eh?

HarmNone...all sides win
StrayRogue
10-05-2003, 06:14 PM
Sarcasm hun.