Another one?

[Skirmisher]

Jeez, it would be quicker to list the family members who haven't been arrested for some kind of substance abuse issue.

Son of Florida Gov. Bush Arrested <---Click for Yahoo link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050916/ap_on_re_us/jeb_bush_son_arrested)

Associated Press

The youngest son of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush was arrested early Friday and charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest, law enforcement officials said.

John Ellis Bush, 21, was arrested by agents of the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission at 2:30 a.m. on a corner of Austin's Sixth Street bar district, said commission spokesman Roger Wade.

The nephew of President Bush was released on $2,500 bond for the resisting arrest charge, and on a personal recognizance bond for the public intoxication charge, officials said.

Wade said he had no further details about the charges.

Gov. Bush and his wife Columba appeared Friday evening at a museum reception in Miami.

"My son's doing fine. It's a private matter. We will support him. We're sad for him. But I'm not going to discuss it on the public square with 30 cameras," the governor told reporters.

It's not the first time Florida's first family has experienced legal problems with one of their children.

Noelle Bush, the governor's daughter, was arrested in January 2002 and accused of trying to pass a fraudulent prescription at a pharmacy to obtain the anti-anxiety drug Xanax. She completed a drug rehabilitation program in August 2003 and a judge dismissed the drug charges against her.

[Alfster]

It's his son, what does that really matter?

Kids rebel.

[DeV]

He's 21 and should be ashamed of the embarassment he's brought to his family.

I really don't think it's normal for a kid of his age and the position his family holds to be intoxicated in public and on top of that, resisting arrest. Pretty sure he knows better than that.

[Drew]

The older one, George, is definately being groomed for the political position. I think the rest of Jeb's kids don't really care/are rebelling. On the other hand, I know a ton of 21 year olds who get drunk in public, there dad just isn't the governer of a state.

[Alfster]

Originally posted by DeV
He's 21 and should be ashamed of the embarassment he's brought to his family.

I really don't think it's normal for a kid of his age and the position his family holds to be intoxicated in public and on top of that, resisting arrest. Pretty sure he knows better than that.

You have to be kidding me. You don't think it's normal for a 21 year old kid to goto the bars, get drunk and cause a scene? This shit happens all the time, goto your local college campus and you'll know what I mean.

*edited to add - The position of his father is not the position he holds. It may reflect back on his father, but this shit is normal for a ton of college kids.

[Edited on 9-17-2005 by Alfster]

[DeV]

Originally posted by Drew
On the other hand, I know a ton of 21 year olds who get drunk in public, there dad just isn't the governer of a state. I had a friend who got arrested for public intoxication and resisting arrest about 3 years ago and didn't take the charges too seriouly at the time, but it is definitely something to be ashamed of. It doesn't seem all that serious but it makes you look like an ass when you couple it with resisting arrest for acting like one.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Alfster

Originally posted by DeV
He's 21 and should be ashamed of the embarassment he's brought to his family.

I really don't think it's normal for a kid of his age and the position his family holds to be intoxicated in public and on top of that, resisting arrest. Pretty sure he knows better than that.

You have to be kidding me. You don't think it's normal for a 21 year old kid to goto the bars, get drunk and cause a scene? This shit happens all the time, goto your local college campus and you'll know what I mean.

*edited to add - The position of his father is not the position he holds. It may reflect back on his father, but this shit is normal for a ton of college kids.
Like I said, for the position his family holds, it is not normal nor should it be. Uncle is the president of the United States for crying out loud. Tons of 21 year olds get drunk and magically happen to not get arrested or come anywhere close to being while publically drunk. Funny how that works.

Considering the criminal record of some members of congress I guess it could seem like the normal thing for a kid of one to do. I guess I am giving him WAY more credit than he deserves. My bad.

[Some Rogue]

Damn, they're starting to sound like the Kennedys.

Throw in some rapes and killings and they would be the Kennedys.

[Edited on 9-17-2005 by Some Rogue]

[Skirmisher]

I wouldn't vote for most Kennedy's either.

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Alfster

Originally posted by DeV
He's 21 and should be ashamed of the embarassment he's brought to his family.

I really don't think it's normal for a kid of his age and the position his family holds to be intoxicated in public and on top of that, resisting arrest. Pretty sure he knows better than that.

You have to be kidding me. You don't think it's normal for a 21 year old kid to goto the bars, get drunk and cause a scene? This shit happens all the time, goto your local college campus and you'll know what I mean.

*edited to add - The position of his father is not the position he holds. It may reflect back on his father, but this shit is normal for a ton of college kids.

[Edited on 9-17-2005 by Alfster]

I didn't get drunk on my 21st birthday. In fact, I've never been drunk, and I've never resisted arrest, nor have I ever had cause to be arrested. So yes, I don't think it's normal.

-M

[Gan]

Originally posted by DeV
He's 21 and should be ashamed of the embarassment he's brought to his family.

I really don't think it's normal for a kid of his age and the position his family holds to be intoxicated in public and on top of that, resisting arrest. Pretty sure he knows better than that.

Its more than normal on sixth street in Austin... Its a regular occurence. Young adults get drunk, and they party, and they get rowdy.

Saying its not normal isnt normal. :rolleyes:

Just because he's an idiot doesnt mean he's a bad seed or reflect negatively against the family, unless you're just looking for something to Bush bash with.

[Artha]

I didn't get drunk on my 21st birthday. In fact, I've never been drunk, and I've never resisted arrest, nor have I ever had cause to be arrested. So yes, I don't think it's normal.
I'd say those are all pretty unusual.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Ganalon
Its more than normal on sixth street in Austin... Its a regular occurence. Young adults get drunk, and they party, and they get rowdy.Oh, I'm sorry but because something is a common occurance it's now normal. That is your thinking and it is duly noted. When you come from one of the most powerful families in the country, that is what I am basing it off of. He is definitely not your average 21 year old just because of those highly important factors.


Saying its not normal isnt normal. :rolleyes:How many of those kids have fathers that are Governors of states and uncles that are President's of an entire country? And to add, how many of those kids get their story plastered on CNN after the fact? Yeah, that's what I thought.


Just because he's an idiot doesnt mean he's a bad seed or reflect negatively against the family, unless you're just looking for something to Bush bash with. Because I need to look for something to bash Bush with. Because I printed the story for the entire country to see. I have a life and bashing Bush is not something I need to do. Your defense of the Bush family is not necessary this time around, Ganalon. This incident reflects on John Bush primarily, but they wouldn't have printed the story had he been your average 21 year old out for a night of drinking and resisiting arrest and a family not involved in politics.

If you read this as a Bash on Bush you need to get your head out of the bushes. It clearly wasn't.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Ganalon

Its more than normal on sixth street in Austin... Its a regular occurence. Young adults get drunk, and they party, and they get rowdy.

Saying its not normal isnt normal. :rolleyes:

So the average person has been arrested?
I didn't know that.

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Artha

I didn't get drunk on my 21st birthday. In fact, I've never been drunk, and I've never resisted arrest, nor have I ever had cause to be arrested. So yes, I don't think it's normal.
I'd say those are all pretty unusual.

Ask anyone who has type 1 diabetes and a history of alcoholism in their family if they want to ever pick up the drink that makes them into an alcoholic. Most are going to say no.

Add to that I personally find intoxicated people repulsive for their lack of control. I don't think being out of control of yourself should be considered a normal/aspired state. I realize that there are those who will disagree (not necessarily you).

-M

edited to add that our perception of what is and isn't normal is a loaded question in general because it all depends on your personal experiences. That was my point initially.

[Edited on Sat, September th, 2005 by ElanthianSiren]

[Himmy]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by Ganalon

Its more than normal on sixth street in Austin... Its a regular occurence. Young adults get drunk, and they party, and they get rowdy.

Saying its not normal isnt normal. :rolleyes:

So the average person has been arrested?
I didn't know that.

Apparently the average person can't read. Nowhere in the post that you yourself quoted does it even mention being arrested. It just says that people get wasted. It happens.

This has been today's reading lesson with Himmy.

[Edited on 9-17-2005 by Himmy]

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Himmy
Apparently the average person can't read. Nowhere in the post that you yourself quoted does it even mention being arrested. It just says that people get wasted. It happens.

This has been today's reading lesson with Himmy.
[Edited on 9-17-2005 by Himmy]

So are you saying that the average person in the US hasn't been arrested then?

[Himmy]

No, I'm saying that you ought to learn to read. I take no position on the arrest argument, because I simply do not care. Thank you, that is all.

[Himmy]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by Himmy
Apparently the average person can't read. Nowhere in the post that you yourself quoted does it even mention being arrested. It just says that people get wasted. It happens.

This has been today's reading lesson with Himmy.
[Edited on 9-17-2005 by Himmy]

So are you saying that the average person in the US hasn't been arrested then?

Also, if you again read what you yourself quoted, you'll notice that I never make a stand on the arrest argument. This only serves to further enhance my "learn-to-read" platform.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Himmy
No, I'm saying that you ought to learn to read. I take no position on the arrest argument, because I simply do not care. Thank you, that is all.

So you became involved simply to play a little word game? Alright, if that what gets you through the night.

My point still remains that for a family that campaigns on morals and family values they seem to have an awful lot of arrests.

Now go and play some word games with that.

[Himmy]

Um, I was just pointing out that your original statement was somewhat out of context when paired with the statement that you quoted. Also, allow me to reiterate: I do not care about the issues at hand i.e. arrest; public drunkeness; politician bashing; family morals; values; universal ethics or any ethics, really; negative or positive rights; or, even, word games.

[Edited on 9-17-2005 by Himmy]

[DeV]

Originally posted by Himmy
Um, I was just pointing out that your original statement was somewhat out of context when paired with the statement that you quoted. It was also a statement that was in reply to something I originally stated. The reply was in context considering Ganalon completly left out the part where the kid was arrested and then resisted which was the basis of my main point.

I understood exactly what she was referring to. Reading comphrehension is a-okay on this end.

[Jazuela]

He's probably just a punk kid, same as any other punk kid. It isn't always a reflection on the parents - or it shouldn't always be. If John was raised to be responsible, by responsible parents who were "there" for his upbringing (as opposed to sticking him with a Nanny or private boarding school) then you can't fault the parents for the behavior of their kid.

If, however, the parents were out of reach for the kid during his upbringing, if they behaved irresponsibly in front of him, if they didn't teach him personal responsibility and accountability, then yes - it should reflect on their parenting skills (or lack thereof).

--She of the runon sentences

[Anebriated]

+1

(ive had too much to drink to read all of the replies but they were good up to about the halfway point...)

[DeV]

I don't even think it should reflect on the family at all. However, how could it not in some form of fashion. I don't blame his parents for his actions. Not in the least. I just think it unwittingly reflects on them which is where the shame part comes in. Get drunk, but don't be a complete fucking idiot about it especially when your fam is in the limelight 24/7.

[Jazuela]

Well unless he acted out -because- his family was in the limelight 24/7. We can't really judge that - I mean, what kind of hell must it be like, living in a fishbowl? I don't know if I'd have what it took to handle that. Could be that he didn't have what it takes either. Or - he could just be a stupid fuck who doesn't give a shit.

He's a big boy though, so ultimately it is his responsibility, and he has to be held accountable for his own actions. If Daddy dearest runs to the rescue whenever Junior gets in trouble, then Junior will never learn how to stop getting in trouble.

Hopefully the kid will learn from this mistake, and it'll be the toughest lesson he'll have to learn. Many kids learn tougher lessons than that, and some never live long enough to learn them at all.

[Hulkein]

If the cops happened to wander by me on Tuesday night or Thursday night on my walk home, I'd have a public intoxication charge too.

:shrug:

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren
I didn't get drunk on my 21st birthday. In fact, I've never been drunk, and I've never resisted arrest, nor have I ever had cause to be arrested. So yes, I don't think it's normal.

-M

You're in the minority, weirdo. ;)

Honestly though, just because you don't do it doesn't mean it's not normal.

[ElanthianSiren]

My point was there is no "normal". Normalcy is actually built upon your personal values system. You don't think my values system is "normal". That's fine. I don't think public intoxication, loss of control, and resisting arrest are normal either. Further, since they are not "normal" in my point of view, they are also unacceptable to me.

For this reason, you will find me either humiliating intoxicated people or avoiding them all together, in the same way that Arkans might avoid fat people or goths.

On the public spotlight thing, I don't recall Chelsea Clinton ever being arrested for public intoxication or having to be saved from a weed party by the CIA. Granted, she may have thought Bill embarassed the family enough, but I think the whole, "living in a fishbowl" thing is an excuse for bad behavior.

-M

[Gan]

Actually, most all of the Bush incidents involving the youngest generation have occured on sixth street in Austin.

For those who have been there, know how infested the place is with uniformed police, undercover police, and federal ATF agents.

I bet if Chelsea tied one on at sixth street she would undoubtedly have some press.

Combine a few miles of bars, clubs, and other forms of adult entertainment smack in the middle of a college town and 40K population of college students from a major university and you're going to find it a mecca for law enforcement and, for those of notable lineage, media coverage. Whether it be from having access to alcohol as a minor to being publically intoxicated.

Its a far cry from driving off a Chappaquita (sp) bridge with a lady friend in the middle of the night who's not your wife, and her winding up dead. Or getting blowjobs in the oval office. :shrug:

The big question remains here.

He has a bit too much to drink. It can happen to anyone, what's he supposed to do? Demand to sleep in the closed bar? As long as he wasn't causing problems and was just on his way home, then who cares? He was just trying to do the right thing and walk home and sleep off his drunkness.

- Arkans

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Ganalon
I bet if Chelsea tied one on at sixth street she would undoubtedly have some press. Yet she has not and was not.


Its a far cry from driving off a Chappaquita (sp) bridge with a lady friend in the middle of the night who's not your wife, and her winding up dead. Or getting blowjobs in the oval office. :shrug:
You are comparing a dui charge( one while driving his younger sister) and other dissorderly charges to a consensual sexual act?

I guess all those blowjobs didn't lead to having a next generation of children feeling entitled and above the law since as you put it Chelsea has yet to be arrested even though as some here seem to think its so incredibly common and easy to happen..

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Arkans
The big question remains here.

He has a bit too much to drink. It can happen to anyone, what's he supposed to do? Demand to sleep in the closed bar? As long as he wasn't causing problems and was just on his way home, then who cares? He was just trying to do the right thing and walk home and sleep off his drunkness.

- Arkans
The police and I think his parents would disagree with you as to the "rightness" of his actions.

So what were his options? Legally he is allowed to drink. How's someone supposed to get home? Should he have fallen asleep in an alley? Gotten into a car? What?

- Arkans

[ElanthianSiren]

The point, Ganalon, is that there's no evidence that Chelsea did those things, not whether you thought she did or not. I doubt the president's daughter can go many places without being noticed. If you'll remember, most of the 'scandal' around the Clinton's daughter revolved around her being gawky when Bill was elected, not her party exploits, which proves, like this situation, that the media was looking for something. The Bush kids simply give them what they're asking for.

If everyone does those things, why didn't she? Why don't I? Why don't the others here questioning the logic of those type of statements? I refuse to believe that cocaine addiction and public drunkeness are the paramounts that my generation should be judged on in later years, and I won't make excuses for it when anyone does it.


-M

ES, the life style you live isn't the norm though, that's the thing. When stating a the word "normal" you need to assume what most of society judges at as "normal", if don't, you have groups like NAMBLA saying their wants and desires are "normal" as well as psychopaths saying that dogs talking to them and telling them to kill people is "normal" as well.

You may disagree with their life style choices, and hey, more power to you, but you need to see that he was acting the way a "normal" 21 year old acts based on culture our society has.

- Arkans

[DeV]

I'd like to seriously hope that it is not the norm in our society for 21 year olds to be arrested or even resist arrest when being detained by an officer of the law. Maybe for young black girls who work fast food. /sarcarm. Personally, I know this is a huge problem in the black community as far as young males go. Resisting arrest is not normal in any sense of the word. Sorry, it just isn't. Being a drunken fool might be as common as getting a blow job but it isn't normal or else there wouldn't be laws in place to regulate that sort of behavior when it is viewed as being out of control.

[Hulkein]

It is the norm for 21 year olds to go to bars and become intoxicated.

WHAT IZ OUR WORLD COMING 2?

[DeV]

Originally posted by Hulkein
It is the norm for 21 year olds to go to bars and become intoxicated.No complaints on that one though I view it as common; you view it as normal. Not a huge difference but nothing worth going back and forth about.


WHAT IZ OUR WORLD COMING 2? OH NOEZ... I DON't KNOW... HELP MEEEEEEEE figure it out.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<No complaints on that one though I view it as common; you view it as normal. Not a huge difference but nothing worth going back and forth about.>>

What is normal is inherently what is common. Conversely, if something is normal, it must also be common.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Conversely, if something is normal, it must also be common. Sure thing.

[Edited on 9-17-2005 by DeV]

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by Himmy
No, I'm saying that you ought to learn to read. I take no position on the arrest argument, because I simply do not care. Thank you, that is all.

So you became involved simply to play a little word game? Alright, if that what gets you through the night.

My point still remains that for a family that campaigns on morals and family values they seem to have an awful lot of arrests.

Now go and play some word games with that.

So the Kennedy's get a free ride because they don't campaign on family values?

Murder, rape, DWI, etc... are fine and dandy.. as long as you don't campaign on them. Gotcha.

[Gan]

You know, I managed to have a blast while in college and yet I avoided being thrown in jail by a little luck and a little thinking. I've had roommates and friends who were either not so lucky or not so smart, I dont know which. But having lived the campus life while at my first few years of college, I know that drinking and partying is the norm. Behavior in an inebriated (sp) state of mind for most college guys, is the norm at an average university (even greater odds at the listed PARTY SCHOOLS (http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/08/23/party.schools.ap/)).

To say that is abnormal is inaccurate if you are discussing the behaviors of single young adult males in their late teens and low twenties. Since I was one, I can testify to some extent to that.

To use this as a means of bashing the Bush family in hopes of making a political spin to bash the president is a stretch and again, obviously biased.

That doesnt change the fact that the kid needs smacked in the head - as most kids are wont to do stupid things. That doesnt mean that his parents werent embarrased - I would be regardless if I held a public office or if I was who I am now - an average john q public.

The fact is, people screw up and get caught. If the press focused on every screwup of every member of society then we could not complete a reading of the daily newspaper because of it.

However, since this is a dirtyly laundry topic that the media loves to highlight, its now become political ammunition by those seeking to use it that way. As sheep of the flock stampeding towards the feed trough, the bush haters are enjoying the feast.

:baa:

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
So the Kennedy's get a free ride because they don't campaign on family values?

Murder, rape, DWI, etc... are fine and dandy.. as long as you don't campaign on them. Gotcha.

I'm not quite sure how you got that from what I said.

I must assume you missed my post on the first page of this thread.


Originally posted by Skirmisher
I wouldn't vote for most Kennedy's either.

[Hulkein]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/dawkins/stfuppercut.gif

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Hulkein
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/dawkins/stfuppercut.gif

You could not come up with anything more constructive?

Too bad.

[Hulkein]

Is this more constructive?????

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/dawkins/hasselhoffian-recursion.gif

You be teh judge!

[Skirmisher]

Hulkien, I know you are capable of better so I can only surmise that you cannot come up with anything to defend such behavior of America's first family and so instead go for the lowbrow humor.

Hopefully you'll prove me wrong.

[Hulkein]

A 21 year old got drunk.

If this is shocking to you, you're sheltered.

Myself and almost everyone I associate with could've been in this same position had a cop walked by at the right time.

If you can't relate, then refer to the pictures.

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Hulkein
A 21 year old got drunk.

If this is shocking to you, you're sheltered.

Myself and almost everyone I associate with could've been in this same position had a cop walked by at the right time.

If you can't relate, then refer to the pictures.

I don't think shocking is the right word, at least in my case. In my case, I am more repulsed. Out of control people are pretty revolting to me, be they friends, neighbors, people on the street, or people in politics.

Go be an asswipe in private. I don't want to listen to your drooling drunken ramblings nor help you stand to piss in a corner (that being a general you). I am a total bitch when it comes to intoxicated rejects. I simply can't help myself.

-M

[DeV]

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren
Go be an asswipe in private.

-M plz. kthx.

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by DeV
If you read this as a Bash on Bush you need to get your head out of the bushes. It clearly wasn't.

:rofl:

[Gan]

Originally posted by DeV
If you read this as a Bash on Bush you need to get your head out of the bushes. It clearly wasn't.

It seems that there are more heads in bushes than you think if you think that others are NOT reading this as a bash on Bush...


Originally posted by Skirmisher
Hulkien, I know you are capable of better so I can only surmise that you cannot come up with anything to defend such behavior of America's first family and so instead go for the lowbrow humor.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Ganalon

It seems that there are more heads in bushes than you think if you think that others are NOT reading this as a bash on Bush...
It seems you need to focus specifically on what I stated in my post and not what others are reading this as when you are responding directly to something I've stated in your quoted reply.

If you feel that othes are using this as a basis to bash Bush, quote them and respond to them. Simple.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Ganalon

Originally posted by DeV
If you read this as a Bash on Bush you need to get your head out of the bushes. It clearly wasn't.

It seems that there are more heads in bushes than you think if you think that others are NOT reading this as a bash on Bush...

DeV spoke only for herself as I speak only for myself.

And yes, I am using this as an example of the hypocrisy of the Bush family. I wouldn't if they did not get elected because of his "morals and values". He surely wasn't elected for his brains. If he wants to lecture me on family values and morals he should show some and start at home.

I guess I blame both parties for Bush being in office though. So don't go and make the assumption that I loathe Bush simply because he is a Republican.

The Democrats ran two losers against him, neither very approachable to the american public. Intelligent, yes, but still cold fish and out of touch.

The Republicans have better to offer as well though and if they ever get their act together and ran John McCain I can't see myself voting against him.

[Gan]

<Dev's last post>

<Skirmishers last post>

You're participating in an open topic making open representations about it - therefore I applied your quotes appropriately.

Next time you should both include fine print to your posts saying they should only be quoted when dealing specifically with only the ideas and things you say here and not in the topic that they represent... :rolleyes:

Cry me a river.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
Hulkien, I know you are capable of better so I can only surmise that you cannot come up with anything to defend such behavior of America's first family and so instead go for the lowbrow humor.

Hopefully you'll prove me wrong.

Actually.. his commentary made about as much sense as yours did. You will do anything to bash the President.. and this is just the latest. Big fucking deal that his nephew was arrested for public intoxication and resisting arrest... what the FUCK does that have to do with George W Bush in the White House?

Seriously.. I sometimes hope that a fucking democrat wins the White House next term so all of you armchair White House Chief of Staffs can be at peace with the government and tell us how perfect everything now is.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by DeV
If you read this as a Bash on Bush you need to get your head out of the bushes. It clearly wasn't.

You obviously have a reading comprehension problem if you think this was anything but a bash on the Bush family. It clearly was.

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Seriously.. I sometimes hope that a fucking democrat wins the White House next term so all of you armchair White House Chief of Staffs can be at peace with the government and tell us how perfect everything now is.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


One can dream....

::flees::

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by TheRoseLady

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Seriously.. I sometimes hope that a fucking democrat wins the White House next term so all of you armchair White House Chief of Staffs can be at peace with the government and tell us how perfect everything now is.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


One can dream....

::flees::

You are SO going to be punished.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Actually.. his commentary made about as much sense as yours did.

No.

You are wrong.

You may disagree with my statement and the reasons I gave for tit, but it is far more constructive and at least shows some thought rather than an elite speak acronymed curse combined with a colorfull graphic.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by DeV
If you read this as a Bash on Bush you need to get your head out of the bushes. It clearly wasn't.

You obviously have a reading comprehension problem if you think this was anything but a bash on the Bush family. It clearly was. What is this this you are referring to? I am speaking for my posts specifically and you should do the same. Comprehension is a-okay on my end.

On second thought, when you pull your nose out of Bush's asshole then maybe you can tell me where I've bashed Bush at all in my opinion of Jeb's son's behavior.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Ganalon

Cry me a river. No thanks. You've done a good enough job of crying yourself a river in this thread.

By the way, hint hint... I'm not Skirmisher.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by DeV

Originally posted by Ganalon

Cry me a river. No thanks. You've done a good enough job of crying yourself a river in this thread.

By the way, hint hint... I'm not Skirmisher.

Tough to tell you apart.. since you both post with the same playbook.

:shrug:

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Actually.. his commentary made about as much sense as yours did.

No.

You are wrong.

You may disagree with my statement and the reasons I gave for tit, but it is far more constructive and at least shows some thought rather than an elite speak acronymed curse combined with a colorfull graphic.

Actually YOU are wrong.

You had nothing "constructive" to post. You assumed that because George W's nephew was arrested, that somehow George W. can be judged to be a bad President. YOUR connection made no sense.

Using your logic, entire families should be locked up for a crime that was committed by one of the members.

Clearly, Hulkein won this round by forcing you to look at the crotch of a MALE Baywatch star.

:duh:

[Gan]

Originally posted by DeV

Originally posted by Ganalon

Cry me a river. No thanks. You've done a good enough job of crying yourself a river in this thread.

By the way, hint hint... I'm not Skirmisher.

There's nothing resembling crying from me in this thread. I find your attempt to link the two, as Skirmisher has outright said, and you through vague ennuendos resembling the crying.

Nice try, go fish.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Tough to tell you apart.. since you both post with the same playbook.

:shrug: I would consider it a compliment even if it were true. It's also funny as hell considering you and Ganalon seem to be attached at the fuckin' hip. On second thought, I'd like to see some direct quotes of me bashing Bush in this thread. And since you won't find any unless you make them up yourself, you should seriously fuck off.

[Keller]

This kid sounds like a real winner. This is neither acceptable nor excusable behavior.

It's also NOT noteworthy. I can't fucking believe you guys got three pages out of a kid getting drunk and resisting arrest.

[Warriorbird]

ennuendos

-Ganalon

Those're the especially energetic sort of innuendos. Especially when they're rapidly excellerated.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Ganalon
I find your attempt to link the two, as Skirmisher has outright said, and you through vague ennuendos resembling the crying.
lol... crying about what? I said he's brought shame to his family. Him and no one else. Exactly what in God's name are you talking about regarding vague innuendos? Get the brown off your nose, it's starting to smell.

[Keller]

Originally posted by Warriorbird

ennuendos

-Ganalon

Those're the especially energetic sort of innuendos. Especially when they're rapidly excellerated.

Leave the spelling corrections to Rhett and Tamral. They're unbecoming.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Keller

Originally posted by Warriorbird

ennuendos

-Ganalon

Those're the especially energetic sort of innuendos. Especially when they're rapidly excellerated.

Leave the spelling corrections to Rhett and Tamral. They're unbecoming. lol, yeah. Reading comprehension is a must for situations like this.

[Warriorbird]

But...but... it just sounded funny! You're right, though. My grammar is often pretty dubious.

I think maybe the political discussion could go live in the Political folder.

[Keller]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
But...but... it just sounded funny! You're right, though. My grammar is often pretty dubious.

I think maybe the political discussion could go live in the Political folder.

You made good use of the "come-back." For that I'd give you a 9 out of 10 in the comedy department. :smilegrin:

[Gan]

Originally posted by DeV

Originally posted by Ganalon
I find your attempt to link the two, as Skirmisher has outright said, and you through vague ennuendos resembling the crying.
lol... crying about what? I said he's brought shame to his family. Him and no one else. Exactly what in God's name are you talking about regarding vague innuendos? Get the brown off your nose, it's starting to smell.

Yea, my spelling sucks today..

Oh, and get the brown out of your eyes, and perhaps you could see more clearly...

Care to continue to trade more personal insults?

[Keller]

Originally posted by Ganalon

Originally posted by DeV

Get the brown off your nose, it's starting to smell.



Oh, and get the brown out of your eyes, and perhaps you could see more clearly...

[/quote]

Low blow!

What happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Keller
What happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom. That's just gross. It's not supposed to be brown! lol

[DeV]

Originally posted by Ganalon
Care to continue to trade more personal insults? Care to answer my questions or you can shut the fuck up referring to anything I have to say when you don't have a leg to stand on. I can't stand bull"shit" and you brought it when it wasn't needed.

[Keller]

Originally posted by DeV

Originally posted by Keller
What happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom. That's just gross. It's not supposed to be brown! lol

I don't care to end up like Doyle but suffice to say I could find pictures where it was.

:saint:

[DeV]

Originally posted by Keller
I don't care to end up like Doyle but suffice to say I could find pictures where it was.

:saint: I promise to take your word for it. :yes:

[Gan]

Originally posted by DeV

Originally posted by Ganalon
Care to continue to trade more personal insults? Care to answer my questions or you can shut the fuck up referring to anything I have to say when you don't have a leg to stand on. I can't stand bull"shit" and you brought it when it wasn't needed.

Allright... let me draw it out for you slowly since you're so big on reading comprehension.

First you said.

Originally posted by DeV
He's 21 and should be ashamed of the embarassment he's brought to his family.

I really don't think it's normal for a kid of his age and the position his family holds to be intoxicated in public and on top of that, resisting arrest. Pretty sure he knows better than that.

To which I responded.

Originally posted by Ganalon
Its more than normal on sixth street in Austin... Its a regular occurence. Young adults get drunk, and they party, and they get rowdy.

Saying its not normal isnt normal. :rolleyes:

Just because he's an idiot doesnt mean he's a bad seed or reflect negatively against the family, unless you're just looking for something to Bush bash with.

Obviously the embarrasment that the kid 'has brought to his family' could have been construed as another lame attack agsinst the Bush family. That same assumption appears to have been made by you in thinking that I was talking about the President.

Not that you've ever engaged in Bush bashing enough in the past to think that you would mean that this time either. :rolleyes:

You dont make enough money nor contain enough cognitive mass to make me 'shut the fuck up' so dont even think that your request is even considered.

Your turn... go fish.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Ganalon
Obviously the embarrasment that the kid 'has brought to his family' could have been construed as another lame attack agsinst the Bush family. lol.. so you take that as an attack on the entire family? That is all you have? I consider it common sense and have seen a friend's family deal with the exact same thing as I stated previously. That was a truly ridiculous assumption. You still haven't answered the question: Where have I attacked the Bush family in this thread? Oh that's right: I haven't.
That same assumption appears to have been made by you in thinking that I was talking about the President.:!: So it is common for me to bash Jeb Bush and family according to your baseless assumptions? Wow. And if not, just who in the fuck are you referring to. I only know a couple of Bush's and Jeb rarely if ever registers on my radar. Go fish some more.


Not that you've ever engaged in Bush bashing enough in the past to think that you would mean that this time either. :rolleyes:Assumption, once again. The meaning in my posts in this thread should not be hard for anyone to comprehend, including yourself. I made myself quite clear. Focus on the thread we're in and try to keep your incorrect assumtions exactly where they belong.


You dont make enough money nor contain enough cognitive mass to make me 'shut the fuck up' so dont even think that your request is even considered.
That goes double for you, without saying. Considering you're still flapping I guess the request is not considered. Secondly, since your answer contained nothing but assumptions I consider my point made entirely.

You've yet to show even a hint of a bash. You won't find one yet you still engage me with the same bullshit. There is no good reason for me to continue this ridiculous defense of the meaning behind my crystal clear posts.

Have the last word as I'm through with you. You've proved nothing and that makes me :).

[Gan]

The only reason why my gums are 'flapping' is because you requested me to answer you and your 'oh yea, crystal clear posts'.


Originally posted by DeVHave the last word as I'm through with you. You've proved nothing and that makes me :).

Get the fuck over yourself. And thank you for shutting the fuck up from this point forward.

[Edited on 9-19-2005 by Ganalon]

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Actually YOU are wrong.

You had nothing "constructive" to post. You assumed that because George W's nephew was arrested, that somehow George W. can be judged to be a bad President. YOUR connection made no sense.

Using your logic, entire families should be locked up for a crime that was committed by one of the members.


Clearly, Hulkein won this round by forcing you to look at the crotch of a MALE Baywatch star.

:duh:
No, once again you are either somehow skimming past some of my words or simply ignoring them and theresfor coming to an incorrect conclusion.

I did not say that I thought this single isolated incident showed anything.

My point is that it continues an eye opening series of run ins with the law by people from the Bush family.

I did not think it needed to list the offenses of the various family members as i thought well known, but if I am being attacked, insulted and having my words shifted so as to better fit into someone elses soundbite I will.

Noelle Bush- daughter of Jeb Bush- Arrested in 2002 for prescription fraud.

John Ellis Bush- son of Jeb Bush- arrested for public intoxication and resisting arrest in 2005.

Jenna Bush-Daughter of the President- April 2001 charged with possession of alcohol as a minor.

Jenna Bush -May 2001- charged with using a third party's fake id to purchase alcohol.

And my personal favorite Jenna Bush moment-March 2001 Jenna gets her secret service agents to get her boyfriend out of jail where he was after being arrested for......yes folks I know this is a shock but he was cited for public intoxication and underage possession of alcohol.

Barbara Bush Daughter of the President- may 2001 charged with possession of alcohol as a minor.

The president himself has been arrested three times.
Once for theft at a hotel.
Once for disorderly conduct.
And the best one was when he was arrested while driving drunk with his younger sister in the car.

I hope if nothing else that ends the whole thing about me criticising an entire family for a single event because as I said, you were just wrong.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Ganalon
Get the fuck over yourself. And thank you for shutting the fuck up from this point forward.

Heh. So much for 'mature decorum'.


Originally posted by Ganalon
I have developed a lot of respect for the views and opinions of those who partake in the more serious discussions here on the PC, and it saddens me to see the PC stoop to the level of idiotic name calling or childish blanket statements. I have been and will always be an advocate for mature decorum, which I hope my support has helped strengthen the resolve of the PC staff to help maintain a higher quality discussion environment.

Raven

[Keller]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm

Originally posted by Ganalon
Get the fuck over yourself. And thank you for shutting the fuck up from this point forward.

Heh. So much for 'mature decorum'.


Originally posted by Ganalon
I have developed a lot of respect for the views and opinions of those who partake in the more serious discussions here on the PC, and it saddens me to see the PC stoop to the level of idiotic name calling or childish blanket statements. I have been and will always be an advocate for mature decorum, which I hope my support has helped strengthen the resolve of the PC staff to help maintain a higher quality discussion environment.

Raven

Raven just landed a world-record fucking big-mouth (to contain a BIG ASS foot) bass.

Go fish, indeed!

[Gan]

One does have to come down to certain levels to be understood so I guess I'm guilty.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention Raven. I'm sorry it took you all this time to find something to engage me with, too bad its not relating to the topic at hand, or you might have scored a hat trick.

In fact, I'll give you credit for the hat trick because this is your only post in this thread that has encompassed 3+ pages and its still off topic! Way to be a board troll. :lol:

Do you want a cookie or a chest to pin it on?

Way to provide insight and enlightenment as well as build your post count while you're lurking here Keller. A cookie to you too.


[Edited on 9-19-2005 by Ganalon]

[Keller]

Originally posted by Ganalon
One does have to come down to certain levels to be understood so I guess I'm guilty.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention Raven. I'm sorry it took you all this time to find something to engage me with, too bad its not relating to the topic at hand, or you might have scored a hat trick.

In fact, I'll give you credit for the hat trick because this is your only post in this thread that has encompassed 3+ pages and its still off topic! Way to be a board troll. :lol:

Do you want a cookie or a chest to pin it on?

Way to provide insight and enlightenment as well as build your post count while you're lurking here Keller. A cookie to you too.


[Edited on 9-19-2005 by Ganalon]

You'll notice I added my two cents back around page two where I said you guys are silly for letting this thread blow up like this. It's a 21 year old kid who got drunk. I could enlighten you by writing, "Oh my God!! You're such a political blowhard. The only reason you're standing up for this fucking douchebag is because you're a Bush-lover!"

But you see, I try not to act like an asshole.

White-Chocolate Macadamia Nut cookies would be preferable.

[Keller]

Originally posted by Keller
This kid sounds like a real winner. This is neither acceptable nor excusable behavior.

It's also NOT noteworthy. I can't fucking believe you guys got three pages out of a kid getting drunk and resisting arrest.

In case you missed me "enlightening" you, Ganny.

It was actually on page 3.

[Gan]

Not withstanding your last... 5 posts that is. Your initial thoughts regarding this thread were of note unlike some of the others that limped in.

Actually I was pretty mild mannered in this thread until Dev pushed my buttons on this last page. Shit that makes me human.

I'll get you a bakers dozen. Let me know where to send them.

[Gan]

Originally posted by Keller

Originally posted by Keller
This kid sounds like a real winner. This is neither acceptable nor excusable behavior.

It's also NOT noteworthy. I can't fucking believe you guys got three pages out of a kid getting drunk and resisting arrest.

In case you missed me "enlightening" you, Ganny.

It was actually on page 3.

Way to be patient. I was getting around to acknowledging you. Damn, lay off the caffeene man.

[Keller]

Originally posted by Ganalon
Not withstanding your last... 5 posts that is. Your initial thoughts regarding this thread were of note unlike some of the others that limped in.

Actually I was pretty mild mannered in this thread until Dev pushed my buttons on this last page. Shit that makes me human.

I'll get you a bakers dozen. Let me know where to send them.

Oh come on. The poop-fettish comment was on point. And the come-back to the Doyle thread?

I just want to see a good fight, that's all!

[Gan]

ok, I actually thought the who-slung-doo remark was funny

:fish:

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Ganalon
Do you want a cookie or a chest to pin it on?

Neither thank you. I've been staying out of most of these arguements lately and this one specifically. After all, the Bush family records do speak for themselves. Is it a case of their 'family values' being lacking? Perhaps.

On the other hand, I'd been known to be drunk in public myself when I was 21 though I wasn't stupid enough to call a cop's attention to myself nor resisting arrest.

I did though want to remind you of the rather smug superiority you've displayed in the past and point out how it's so much horse shit. You're welcome.

I know return you to your regularly scheduled idiotic name calling. Enjoy.

Raven

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Keller
You'll notice I added my two cents back around page two where I said you guys are silly for letting this thread blow up like this. It's a 21 year old kid who got drunk.

Exactly.

I really wonder what world some people live in when a 21 year old being drunk is a big deal, or where a 20 year old trying to get alcohol is horrible to a family name.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Keller
White-Chocolate Macadamia Nut cookies would be preferable. Those are my girl's favorite. You've got some good taste, and thank you. I can't believe I let it get that far either. :saint:

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Exactly.

I really wonder what world some people live in when a 21 year old being drunk is a big deal, or where a 20 year old trying to get alcohol is horrible to a family name.

You and others continue to try to make this into me or anyone else making a point of this as an isolated incident.

Why is that I wonder when I have said multiple times that I am pointing this out as the most recent in a series of happenings.

A series that to me show a family full of itself and used to getting things "fixed" due to a sense of entitlement.

No, it is not normal for one family to have that many offenses, that we even know about, and almost all similar in nature.

So make your straw arguments all you want because in doing so you only reinforce my points by being incapable of disputing them.

Or you could throw some more "humorous" jpegs up and do the same thing.

[Parkbandit]

We get it Skirmisher. Really we do. We've gotten it for quite some time now. Message Received. Over and out.

You hate Bush. We've broken your code. We get it now.

I'm sure when Hillary goes up for election.. you will also be bringing the skeletons out of her closet. There are many on the Democratic side with huge ass closets.. just waiting for you to expose them. I can't wait for your investigations on them.

Thanks!

[Gan]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm

Originally posted by Ganalon
Do you want a cookie or a chest to pin it on?

Neither thank you. I've been staying out of most of these arguements lately and this one specifically. After all, the Bush family records do speak for themselves. Is it a case of their 'family values' being lacking? Perhaps.

On the other hand, I'd been known to be drunk in public myself when I was 21 though I wasn't stupid enough to call a cop's attention to myself nor resisting arrest.

I did though want to remind you of the rather smug superiority you've displayed in the past and point out how it's so much horse shit. You're welcome.

I know return you to your regularly scheduled idiotic name calling. Enjoy.

Raven


I'm honored to finally have a fan here. Thank you for taking time out of your preposterously busy day to dig up a past quote of mine and insert it into a thread which you've not participated in, and which has absolutely nothing to do with the debate at hand.

You've finally convinced me that when you do have nothing to say, you still can be an idiot with a little effort.

Three cheers for you.

[Skirmisher]

PB, you really need to understand that my distaste for our current president does not make me follow everything and anything that the DNC has to say.

Why is it acceptable for you to proclaim your ability to make up your own mind and agree or disagree with all things republican yet you cannot allow that same concept for others?

Not that it matters but I'm not a huge fan of Hillary's and i don't think I ever gave any indication I was, but you are in such a state lately painting me as some party line Democrat that you would not have looked that up and simply assumed I was.

I'm not sure what your issue is with me as I used to think we were at least on friendly terms if not friends yet lately your posts make it seem like i kicked your dog.

[Parkbandit]

Don't mistake my posting style for any personal feelings towards you. I simply post the way I see it... nothing more.

I see you trying to show how bad the President is and will use whatever yardstick you can find to show it. Repeatedly. I simply don't believe this to be the case and will use other yardsticks to prove my views.

Don't take it personally, because that was never my intention. DeV, Warriorbird, Backlash, Ilvane, Raven and TheRoseLady are super liberals as well.. but I don't dislike them in the least. Posts will get heated up in the political folder.. don't take them personally.

Besides.. you have a hot lesbian avatar.. how the hell could I ever dislike you???

[Gan]

His avatar is a Louis Royo, and a mild one as compared to his other works. Probably barely meeting the limits of being allowed here on the PC.

[xtc]

This is a non-story. He doesn't hold political office and he didn't rape or kill anyone. He got arrested for what a ton of kids do every weekend in Toronto and many other urban centres.

The Bushes seem to have alcoholism running in their family however rather than get the national sympathy they would have if they were a Hollywood star everyone jumps on them.

I don't like George Bush jnr. I don't know much about Jeb. However this kid has long way to go before he becomes a Robert Downey Jnr and the media continuously has sympathy for him.

[Edited on 9-19-2005 by xtc]

[Skeeter]

Yeah, I never understood why that avy was allowed. Figured it must be a mod special treatment thing.

Oh, and to stay on topic. Bush sucks.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Skeeter
Yeah, I never understood why that avy was allowed. Figured it must be a mod special treatment thing.


Whose avatar shouldn't be allowed? :?:

[Gan]

Skirmisher's is the one currently under discussion.

[CrystalTears]

I don't see anything wrong with it, as I'm sure no one else did either. Obviously if we allow Omens to have some chick sucking on a "dog" and touching herself, it's not a "mod special" thing. Get over it.

To stay on topic, as I can't believe this has gone on for 5 pages, a 21 year old got drunk and busted. Holy crap, call the FBI. So what? Yeah he's probably in big trouble with his parents, let them deal with the problem as he's not doing anything differently than many 21 year olds out there. If you think children of popular parents are model citizens, guess again.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Ganalon
His avatar is a Louis Royo, and a mild one as compared to his other works. Probably barely meeting the limits of being allowed here on the PC. You mean "her" avatar? That is if you are referring to Skirmisher.

[Gan]

whatever


Actually, The sentence described above refers to Louis Royo... who is a he.

Please read my posts closer if you intend to correct for accuracy.

[Edited on 9-19-2005 by Ganalon]

[DeV]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
DeV, Warriorbird, Backlash, Ilvane, Raven and TheRoseLady are super liberals as well.. I'm very conservative when it comes to matters of the law. I don't care who the person is or their relations as my opinion here goes to show.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Ganalon
whatever Then carry on with referring to her as a he. :!:

[Gan]

Please re-read the edit regarding your quest to correct me.

And thanks for giving me advertising time in your signature.

Oh, and in case you forgot.


Originally posted by Dev

Have the last word as I'm through with you. You've proved nothing and that makes me :).

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Edited on 9-19-2005 by Ganalon]

[DeV]

Originally posted by Ganalon
Please re-read the edit regarding your quest to correct me.I read it. It didn't prompt me to change the wording in my post though.


And thanks for giving me advertising time in your signature. You definitely earned it.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Ganalon
Have the last word as I'm through with you. You've proved nothing and that makes me :).
That was regarding the debate and the proof that was requested therein. I think I've held true to that. Everything else is fair play.

[Gan]

I think you're stalking me.

[DeV]

:weird:

Think again.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
I'm sure when Hillary goes up for election.. you will also be bringing the skeletons out of her closet.
Thanks!

Big Ellen fan.....if you get my drift

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by xtc

Originally posted by Parkbandit
I'm sure when Hillary goes up for election.. you will also be bringing the skeletons out of her closet.
Thanks!

Big Ellen fan.....if you get my drift

:lol: Nice.

[Gan]

I've heard that rumor too.

Some attributed it to her just wanting that block of votes. Perhaps there's more to Bill's tendancies than what meets the eye.

[Warriorbird]

I pray that the party is not stupid enough to run her.

[Skeeter]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I don't see anything wrong with it, as I'm sure no one else did either. Obviously if we allow Omens to have some chick sucking on a "dog" and touching herself, it's not a "mod special" thing. Get over it.

Because bare breasts = eating a hotdog. but whatever, I'm certainly not offended by breasts. Maybe art-type breasts are different, I don't really care.

Back on topic.
I would imagine most large rich political families would have similar arrests when scrutinized this highly.

[Gan]

You follow someone around long enough and you're bound to observe them break a law or make a mistake.

Human nature.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by Hulkein
Exactly.

I really wonder what world some people live in when a 21 year old being drunk is a big deal, or where a 20 year old trying to get alcohol is horrible to a family name.

You and others continue to try to make this into me or anyone else making a point of this as an isolated incident.

Why is that I wonder when I have said multiple times that I am pointing this out as the most recent in a series of happenings.

A series that to me show a family full of itself and used to getting things "fixed" due to a sense of entitlement.

No, it is not normal for one family to have that many offenses, that we even know about, and almost all similar in nature.

So make your straw arguments all you want because in doing so you only reinforce my points by being incapable of disputing them.

Or you could throw some more "humorous" jpegs up and do the same thing.

Yeah, quite the series of happenings. It's a travesty that some of the Bush family youth is down to earth and enjoys drinking alcohol and not driving when they're in their early twenties!

WHAT TEH HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS FAMILY?!?!?!?! ZOMG

[DeV]

Originally posted by Hulkein
WHAT TEH HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS FAMILY?!?!?!?! ZOMG I blame Clinton.

[Hulkein]

Heh, that was actually funny.