Job Interview Q

[Soulpieced]

Nevermind. Move along.

[Edited on 9-28-2005 by Soulpieced]

[Gigantuous]

I'd say if they're talking to her references after two interviews, yeah, she has a good chance of getting the job at Company Y.

[xtc]

She has a good chance of getting the job but I wouldn't give her current boss as a reference. Offer a former boss, Manager or co-worker who has left the company.

I would only allow a current boss to be used as a reference once a written offer had been made.

[Amber]

I second XTC.

[Sean of the Thread]

/agree

[Back]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
So my girlfriend has been on 2 "very good" interviews with Company Y. She has worked with Company X for 1 year now. Company X and Y are direct competitors. She got a call today from them again for some more questions, and the person made sure to ask if it was OK to contact her references (her immidiate and former supervisor at current Company X). Does this mean she has a very high probability of being offered the job at Company Y?

[Edited on 9-16-2005 by Soulpieced]

Possibly. If she does get the offer, tell her to take that offer back to her boss and see if they will match it. I think its common sense from there.

[AnticorRifling]

If Company Y leaves Boston and travels West at 50mph and company X is leaving Chicago traveling East at 56.3mph at what time can you expect a CEO to lie about stock prices, cash out, and watch the ruin?

[xtc]

Originally posted by Backlash

Originally posted by Soulpieced
So my girlfriend has been on 2 "very good" interviews with Company Y. She has worked with Company X for 1 year now. Company X and Y are direct competitors. She got a call today from them again for some more questions, and the person made sure to ask if it was OK to contact her references (her immidiate and former supervisor at current Company X). Does this mean she has a very high probability of being offered the job at Company Y?

[Edited on 9-16-2005 by Soulpieced]

Possibly. If she does get the offer, tell her to take that offer back to her boss and see if they will match it. I think its common sense from there.

I disagree the counter-offer is always a bad idea for two reasons.

A. You have shown you are disloyal to your current employer by going out and getting an offer with the competitor. Even if they do match the counter they will start looking for your replacement asap. It is cheaper & easier to keep you in the job and shop for your replacement than to have your job vacant.

B. You burn your bridge with the competitor by using them to coerce a counter offer from your current boss. Chances are they will find out that you used their offer as leverage to get a better deal with your current company.

I know this for a fact. I had an employee come to me with an offer from a competitor asking me what I could do for her. I wasn't sure what to do so I called a friend who is a headhunter, he advised me to meet the offer and then start shopping for her replacement which I did. I fired her 3 months later. At first I wasn't going to but the more I thought about it the more it pissed me off. My headhunter friend told me it isn't uncommon and most companies do it.

The other company found out that she came to us with her offer asking us what we could do. They found out through a mutual client. So they won't hire her either.

[Edited on 9-16-2005 by xtc]

[Jonty]

WTF is a headhunter?

[xtc]

Originally posted by Jonty
WTF is a headhunter?

Those guys who find you a job.

[Chaddy]

I say hurt yourself at company X file suit and play gemstone for the rest of your life with the settlement.

[Showal]

XTC, that's good to know. I'm about to leave my job. I have about 2 weeks worth of vacation. I think i'm going to just hand in my 2 weeks notice with a request for 2 weeks vacation and just say fuck you to my currects.

[Apotheosis]

<3 headhunters, I'm an armchair one myself ;)

[Back]

You are better off with headhunters than the local paper. Its true.

[Tromp]

My recommendation is to lay out your position that you've been given a strong offer by another company which in you're right mind can't refuse whilst submitting your 2 weeks. Don't tell them how much. You're current employer will make an offer if they want you to stay.

Funny thing is I was "headhunted" for my current job whilst employed at another company. They made me a great offer so I told my previous employer that I wasn't searching for a new job but one searched for me and made a great offer. 1 hour later the President of the firm calls me in with a better offer. It made me mad that they didn't realize my value in the 1st place so I told him no thanks. Man that felt good!

[Edited on 9-16-2005 by Tromp]

[Warriorbird]

at what time can you expect a CEO to lie about stock prices, cash out, and watch the ruin?

Before they leave.

[Wezas]

I still get calls/e-mails from headhunters. At least 3-4 a week, but I'm keeping my resume on the job search sites until my clearance goes through here.

I would tell your girl to express her concerns to the new company. Tell them that you need to know if it's almost guaranteed before you want to jeopardize your job security at your current job.

I don't know her field, but make sure that she goes through her employee handbook/papers she's signed to make sure there's not a clause about immediately working for a competitor. Some companies make you wait a period of time before you can work for a direct competitor or they'll bring you up on charges.

[Tromp]

Originally posted by Wezas
I don't know her field, but make sure that she goes through her employee handbook/papers she's signed to make sure there's not a clause about immediately working for a competitor. Some companies make you wait a period of time before you can work for a direct competitor or they'll bring you up on charges.

Unless you are an executive with options and termination payouts, non competes will not hold up in court. Everyone has to make a living the best way they can.

[Wezas]

We had a situation with a programmer who joined a competitor at my last job. He basically used the patterns/processes that he learned at our company to develop them develop a competing program/service.

Their company was sued, he was fired, our company won the suit and they had to discontinue using that service.

Probably not the same situation that SP's girl has, but something worth taking a few seconds to think about.

[Tromp]

Originally posted by Wezas
We had a situation with a programmer who joined a competitor at my last job. He basically used the patterns/processes that he learned at our company to develop them develop a competing program/service.

Their company was sued, he was fired, our company won the suit and they had to discontinue using that service.

Probably not the same situation that SP's girl has, but something worth taking a few seconds to think about.

That makes sense because it was another company's "intellectual asset "so to speak" that a competitor hired him for.

Good point Wezas.

[ElanthianSiren]

Why not just go to your current boss, and say something like, "I have been with you a year, and I would like to request a review and a raise. Here are my contributions to the company (list contributions). Here is what I plan to offer in the future (list offers)."

Keep it short and sweet, if needs be, ask for the target the competitor is willing to give you.

-M

[DeV]

Originally posted by Wezas
I would tell your girl to express her concerns to the new company. Tell them that you need to know if it's almost guaranteed before you want to jeopardize your job security at your current job.
I highly recommend doing this. While the intentions of the new company may seem as if the new position is insured she needs to be certain that contacting her current employer will not jeapordize her chances just in case things don't go as well as expected. From experience she should do what Wezas has suggested, without a doubt.