Advent Children's out!

[Warriorbird]

Woah.



[Edited on 9-12-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Asha]

Whoopie
:shrug:

[Warriorbird]

Was more puzzling to me than anything. It's only out in Japanese. I was mainly happy about the torrents being out there.

[Asha]

I'd never heard of it until now.
Cool beans.

[Warriorbird]

It's an FF7 conclusion movie, basically. There's a site with trailers and wallpaper and such out there. It looks pretty stunning.

[Jayvn]

I just wanted them to remake FF7 prettier. :( not a whole ending story or prequel story...

[Warriorbird]

Eh. The ending of FF7 was pretty bad. I appreciate it.

[Terminator X]

Red XIII's voice is dubbed by the same people who did the voiceovers in Homeward Bound. They also speak Japanese :shibby:

[Detri]

I just finished watching the greatest film in cinematic history. I've never had this feeling before... it's impossible to put into words how absolutely perfect this movie was.

I have restored faith in Square-Enix and am 100% sure that FFXII will blow everyone's minds. What they're capable of has been proven in this film... I cannot imagine what would happen if they improved upon this.

And Eminem is NOT a voice actor in the movie, that was faked on IMDB.

[Warriorbird]

Oh good. That puzzled the heck out've me.

[Terminator X]

Bitch, I summoned Bahamut and toasted that hoe.

- The Termite

[Doyle Hargraves]

Originally posted by Jayvn
I just wanted them to remake FF7 prettier. :( not a whole ending story or prequel story...

Supposedly a FF7 remake is slated to come out on PS3.

[Warriorbird]

Subtitles link: http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3382216
Torrent link: http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3382031

[Edited on 9-13-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Numbers]

Was pretty much a computer generated anime. Was definitely entertaining, though, if a bit cheesy. It at least puts some closure on the non-ending of FF7.

The CG was amazing, obviously. But so were the graphics for the Final Fantasy movie a few years back, and that was junk.

[Hips]

VINCENT IS SO HOT.

[Warriorbird]

I think some of the cheese is from the extra dubious subtitles (unless you follow the Japanese). I imagine the official English subtitles/dubbing will make it come across a bit better.

[Warriorbird]

I nabbed some better subtitles. I wish it was longer, but the CG is pretty damn brilliant. I think this will do well.

It is stunning, though more foreknowledge is required to appreciate it than may be ideal for a movie.

[Edited on 9-13-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Androidpk]

Watched it last night and I must say I absolutely love it.

As for the FF7 remake on PS3 the head guy at Square said they would like to do it but to redo it with the PS3 quality graphics would be a tremendous undertaking, 300+ people around 4 years, and they just don't have the resources for it right now.

[Warriorbird]

Damn. I hope they get them. Watched it again and it made me smile.

[The Ponzzz]

FF7 was the beginning of how the FF series went wrong. End of story!

[Warriorbird]

Eh. It also enabled Square Enix to keep running.

I've liked some of the games sense. There were some dubious products put out before 7, but purists never admit that.

[Hips]

Originally posted by Doyle Hargraves

Originally posted by Jayvn
I just wanted them to remake FF7 prettier. :( not a whole ending story or prequel story...

Supposedly a FF7 remake is slated to come out on PS3.

That's not true. It's a rumor that stemmed from a technical demo of the FF7 trailer redone for PS3 shown at E3.

FF7 was the pretty much the start of the downhill decline of the Final Fantasy series. I finished it, had fond memories of it, and generally enjoyed some of the characters. The sound track was also great. Final Fantasy 8-11 are complete disgraces to the series and are not memorable at all.

Final Fantasy 6 still is my favorite, but it is so damned out dated that it really can't really compete with everything else out there anymore.

- Arkans

[Detri]

Arkans, while I agree with you on 8, 10 & 11 - 9 was an exceptional game.

A whole new philosophy is going around at Square - XII will blow your mind, I guarantee it :)

(I was at E3 - I know what I'm talking about.)

[Edited on 9-13-2005 by Detri]

[Hips]

XII's combat system looks terrible.

[The Ponzzz]

Yea XII look horrible.

And Arkans has it down completely. All except FFXI which is decent if the PS2 release never happened(which is how I played, but is the PS2 that holds the whole game back from being beautiful). And I am not talking Square-Enix as a whole, I 'm simply saying the FF series went to hell. Went for money and graphics instead of story and power.

[Detri]

Originally posted by GS3 Michiko
XII's combat system looks terrible.

I've got to disagree. I saw it in action and it's very fluid.

I know probably everyone on this forum enjoys turn-based battle systems but I must ask you this - have you ever played Secret of Mana or Terranigma? The battle system is similar to those except there's a ton more strategy involved.

Just wait until you see the timed attacks...

I love how everyone is hating on XII, won't be overhyped like the last few games were. The Tactics world has such a rich storyline, I don't see how anyone could NOT be interested in this game.

[Warriorbird]

I thought 9 was an awesome game. I liked 7, though hated the Ending. I've liked everything Tactics. I found 10 sort've dull.

I still enjoyed Advent Children. I'll watch it big screen, even though it's really short, for the sheer splendor factor.

[Detri]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
I thought 9 was an awesome game. I liked 7, though hated the Ending. I've liked everything Tactics. I found 10 sort've dull.

I still enjoyed Advent Children. I'll watch it big screen, even though it's really short, for the sheer splendor factor.

VII ended abruptly and without a true explanation, unfortunately. It left you to imagine how it would end.

As far as IX goes... it's definately my third favorite if we don't count Tactics as an official game. Behind VII & II ... when I say II I do not mean IV, but the second for the NES. (GBA - Dawn of Souls version).

IX is so underappreciated because it came out during the PS2 buzz. They should have polished the graphics up and released it for the PS2. I think XII will suffer the same fate unfortunately. Unless the PS3 doesn't get released until Xmas 06, then there shouldn't be a problem.

Oh, for those of you that are looking into an XBOX360, look at the game 'eNCHANT aRM'.. I know, horrible name, but take a look. I demoed it and was blown away. It's very, very unique. :yes:

[Warriorbird]

It left you to imagine how it would end.

Yeah. That's why I liked Advent Children so much...despite the shortness and the first bad subtitles.

[Bobmuhthol]

I love not being able to connect to trackers.

I guess I'll have to find it somewhere else.

[Bobmuhthol]

isohunt.com ftw.

I suggest people get the torrent from there.

[Letum]

So, Advent Children was a bit on the nonsensical side. More recent Square (post FFVII) does have a tendency to misuse their time when it comes to plot development. That doesn't mean the movie isn't WAY too badass.

[Warriorbird]

As I mentioned a couple times there's different sets of subtitles out there. Some make the movie better than others. Some approach "ALL YOUR BASES" level of badness.

[The Ponzzz]

Tactics is sorta it's own series.

You have the prelufe to the game which is The Lion Wars

Then FFT

And sometime far after Vagrant Story(which is by far my favorite story since FFVI).

But the Top three in the 1-X2 series are:

Final Fantasy 2(4)
Final Fantasy 3(6)
Final Fantasy 1(due to the sheer difficulty of the game)

[Bobmuhthol]

Hey everyone,

Next time someone suggests I download a torrent or if I decide to on my own accord and YOU find out, do me a favor and punch me in the dick.

Love,
Alex (Bobmuhthol)

[Warriorbird]

WTF happened? You hated it or spyware/virii or something?

[Latrinsorm]

The only thing I found hard about FF1 was after my saved game getting wiped (which happened way too much, stupid 10 year old NES) having to get used to the walking speed after having the airship.

My crowning moment was in the Sky Temple (or whatever it was called) getting pwnd by WarMech and having only my Knight survive with 19 health. Instead of walking back through the entire dungeon, I decided I would Cure potion him up and try to take on Tiamat and WHUPPED THAT LIZARD-DRAGON-THING'S BUTT!! :heart: FF1

[Bobmuhthol]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Hey everyone,

Next time someone suggests I download a torrent or if I decide to on my own accord and YOU find out, do me a favor and punch me in the dick.

Love,
Alex (Bobmuhthol)

Congratulations to whoever gained access to my account and posted this. You've won at life.


The subtitles that came with my video are absolutely fucking ridiculous. I'm getting shit like "I remember you, yo," and it's not synchronized whatsoever. I need some good ones, plz.

[Warriorbird]

Yeah. The first set I got were ridiculous.

[StrayRogue]

I dunno if I wanna ruin it by watching it san's dubbing.

[Bobmuhthol]

VirtualDub says my file is unsynced by up to nearly 23.5 seconds.

Re-encode time, I guess.

FF 9 was good? Give me a fucking break. I owned the game, played to the very end and I can't even mention a single character from that game and I completely forget the bad guy. I know a king turns into a frog and I remember the main character had a tail and there was a goofy looking Knight. Oh yeah.. Something named Freya was there too right?

That's about it. Terrible and god awful game. They really need to redo Final Fantasy 6 or at least make the genre go in that direction. The steam punk setting is so much better than this quasi HEY LOOK AT MY I HAVE A SWORD AND GUN LOLROFL future setting.

Oh yeah.. Can the characters maybe be a little less Emo while we're at it? What happened to clever thieves (Locke), Slam Dancin' Moogles (Mog), Imperial Generals with a human side (General Leo) and straight up tapped mother fuckers (Kefka)?

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

You're just a pseudo 3d hater.

:P

Heyyy I said I liked 7!

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

I think the Tactics games are probably my favorite and I don't even think they really count.

[The Ponzzz]

Yea, FF sux now, they sold old, it will never return to the hard gaming back in the 80s and early 90s.

I can't remember the last RPG I had to walk one step left, one step right till i got into combat so I can be at a level where my ass didn't get handed to me.

If I can be level 60 out of 100 and max out my money and beat the game, something is wrong...

[StrayRogue]

It always cracks me up when someone says somebody else "sold out". It kind of infers that the original party insists that whomever is selling out should remain exactly how they were. "OMG METALLICA SOLD OUT BY MAKING A VIDEO". Blah, blah, blah. Everything moves on and up or simply ceases to be. If you don't like it, shucks, thats too bad.

[The Ponzzz]

I use the term "sold out" when a company makes a move to betray their old fan base to get a new fan base. Generally the company loses 90% of the old fans, but gets 510% new fans.

So they sold out by giving up their friends for money. I see nothing wrong with the term.

[StrayRogue]

I'll bet if they kept making games exactly how they used to, they wouldn't have made anything past FF7 simply due to lack of interest. If you think making computer games is at all about making and keeping friends and not about money...well you're about 20 years too late for such a belief.

And thanks for lumping me in with that percentile of friends who they fucked over. I've liked FF for a long time. While the games may veer more towards graphical sexiness over endearing stories and characters, that is purely a sympton of the current games market. I'm sure others who have played FF all their lives will agree.

[Edited on 14-9-05 by StrayRogue]

[The Ponzzz]

Oh I know. I work in marketing, no one remains the same.

They made a smart business move, because that's what people want. They just should have changed the name, made a new series, and so on. If the Xbox 360 came out with a 16 bit side scrolling RPG, I'd be all over it.

EDITED TO SAY: I also want to be able to put in over 60 hours to beat the game, and thats without doing all the side quests. FFX took me less than 30 to beat the game...

[Edited on 9-14-2005 by The Ponzzz]

[Chaddy]

:clap::clap::clap:

[Detri]

Originally posted by The Ponzzz
I use the term "sold out" when a company makes a move to betray their old fan base to get a new fan base. Generally the company loses 90% of the old fans, but gets 510% new fans.

So they sold out by giving up their friends for money. I see nothing wrong with the term.

I think you're smoking something.

They have not sold out, they've changed. Things adapt to the changing times - it's now time for the next-generation of games, and they're one step ahead of every other console RPG creation company. There is no way they could possibly survive by keeping the same exact storyline for every game, which is what you're suggesting.

Not every FF game can have a Locke and an Edgar. Not every FF game can have an upbeat hero, not every FF game can have a mopey hero. Not every FF game can have 2D topdown graphics, in fact, no game in this current generation should! We are now at a point in the progression of graphics processing that we can get such amazing, high quality renders to your TV in 1080i in real time...

If you want your outdated games, stick with the handheld RPGs, although even they will be going 3D eventually. I understand all of your love for nostalgia, and I agree that the earlier FF games were excellent. BUT - there is a time you have to fucking move on and get over it. There are no more 8 or 16 bit systems. Sorry!

My only problem with Squeenix right now is with ONE character from ONE game - XII - Vaan. He's probably the gayest looking character in any game (perhaps rivaling Quina Quen), so here's to hoping they put some clothes on him before it gets released. :lol:

FYI, Ponzz: FFXII will have nearly 80 hours of gameplay if what Yasumi Matsuno said is true. The world of Ivalice is by far the most documented in the FF series, and it's definately the most rich. You wait and see.

[Edited on 9-14-2005 by Detri]

[The Ponzzz]

I say sold out because of this.

FF1-7 you could actually piece the game together and believe they were all the same world.

The introducing of FFVIII kills the game as a series. I say CONGRATS that they can pull of the graphics. But the series is not a series, but now just a name.

My girlfriend and ex wfie would say,"What are you playing one of those Final Fantasy Games?" When I was in fact playing dark cloud 2. Final Fantasy games ?! But thats how people see it now. People who don't even know what the fuck an RPG is can say they know what FFX or X-2 is.

Square USED the term Final Fantasy to sell. They could have easily called FFVIII something else. FFIX had some of the elements to what made a FF game.

FFXI you can honestly think you are playing an FF game.

But the elements that make Final Fantasy what is it, is white mages, red mages, black mages, the whole walking up 2 cm on the screen and being able to hit the creature by swiping yer blade in the air(FFVI and VII introduced a new combat phase). Summoners, callers, shades of a creature making different difficulty.

What I am saying, and rambling on about, is FF sells now. Does Happy Fighter III Quest of the cock ring? Nope. So they SELL the title. FFX had nothing in common to FF1. Call the fucking series something else! Because it's not a series!!!

[Edited on 9-15-2005 by The Ponzzz]

[StrayRogue]

FF a series?? Each Final Fantasy game was effectively designed with it's own insular world, characters and story. Finding the cool stuff that crossed over those boundries was always the fun part, however it was never the intention of the creators make it all one long story or series.

[Latrinsorm]

Of course they meant it to be a series, that's why they called the first one Final.... oh.

[Androidpk]

I've been playing Final Fantasy games ever since I got the first one for NES and in no way have I though that Square has sold out.

You'd have to be on crack or something that a business isn't going to adapt to changing times. I don't see how some people can say FF7 was the start of the decline, if anything it was game that made it even more popular.

[The Ponzzz]

It's really all opinion then I guess.

Take the Sega CD(best RPG consoles ever!). I played Lunar and Lunar 2 for a reason. If Lunar 1 was what it was, and Lunar 2 had a gunblade, it would have lost it's touch, in my eyes.

Same goes with Lufia 1 and 2. Yea the second has smoothier graphics, but it's still the same game!

[Detri]

The Final Fantasy series with exception to X/X-2 & Tactics/TA/XII have never followed the same storyline, same path, same world or anything. They change it up with every game and that's what keeps it from getting stale, although admittedly X/X-2 sucked for me.

But wouldn't Advent Children/Dirge of Cerberus/Last Order/Crisis Core make you happy, considering your arguments?

Also... Lunar series is my personal favorite, so good choices there. :barf::yes:

[Edited on 9-15-2005 by Detri]

[Jayvn]

FF 6 was by far the greatest, and Celes was the perfect female char, she had a face and boobs and legs.

[Androidpk]

Yeah, her pixelated 2d figures were hot... :P

[kheldarin]

Yeah, Celes was definitely a hottie.

Locke tapped that shit.

[Kefka]

Final Fantasy 1 to 6 and maybe 9 - story
Final Fantasy 7 and beyond - graphics

Unfortunately, all of the elements that made Final Fantasy great died when it jumped from Nintendo to Sony. Yeah, it looks nice, but it just doesn't draw you in like the previous games.

[The Ponzzz]

Bingo!

Now cackle for us Kefka!

[Warriorbird]

:shrugs: I see your point. I do miss the old emphasis on story. The loss of it killed Might and Magic, my personal favorite RPG series (8 and 9 of that series are TERRIBLE). My wife also hates 3d graphics (gives her headaches), so I'm constantly searching for 2d/story oriented stuff so we can play through games together.

With that said, FF7 and 9 are still some of my favorite games and I think Square'll put out good stuff in the future. Advent Children, if short, was gorgeous, and I hope they'll continue in this direction. Seeing a movie for 6 would be pretty awesome, I think, too.

[Edited on 9-15-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Detri]

I think 6 ended perfectly and there were no loose ends to tie up like 7 had.

No need for a continuation - or even a remake. I hope that once SE is off their FF7 obsession, they'll start producing new and innovative titles - and it seems they have with Radiata Stories which is quite unconventional, might wanna take a look. Got it today as a birthday present. :up:

[radamanthys]

Advent Children is incredible, hands down. I have the movie with english subs (my preferred way of watching, anyway). Crazy crazy flick.

Yea, it's incredible.

[Warriorbird]

I think they'd remake 6, not do a completion like 7. I definitely dig their non FF work though.

[Edited on 9-15-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by The Ponzzz
Same goes with Lufia 1 and 2. Yea the second has smoothier graphics, but it's still the same game!Didn't Lufia 2 predate Lufia 1?

And for the last time, Celes was not hot. Terra was the only hot character in FF6/3 (MAYBE Shadow).

[AnticorRifling]

I was going to play final fantasy once but there was some paint drying in the other room so I went and watched that.

[Warriorbird]

:coughs: Sort've like Fantasy Football?

[The Ponzzz]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by The Ponzzz
Same goes with Lufia 1 and 2. Yea the second has smoothier graphics, but it's still the same game!Didn't Lufia 2 predate Lufia 1?

And for the last time, Celes was not hot. Terra was the only hot character in FF6/3 (MAYBE Shadow).

Yea, but you can play 1 and then play 2 and you are playing the same game, with the same story...

And back to the FF being a linear series...

I had went through my old nintendo power mags I have in the basement and there is an interview about FF 1, 2 and 3 all being the same world and same story, just different times. FF 4 and 5 take place on another world but are linear, and then in 5 they travel to the original world of 1, 2, 3... And finally 6 is 4 & 5's world. Each having a story you could piece together from each other...

But, U.S. gamers were not interested in the linear, hence only 1, 2(IV) and 3(VI) being released in the states.

[Stunseed]

I've got U.S versions of most of those. I think the only one I'm missing is 3.

[The Ponzzz]

Yea now, not when they were made... This Nintendo Power dates before PS1's time... So this isn't the collection ones...

[Bobmuhthol]

omg I got the .srt version of the subtitles and VobSub so now I FUCKING PWN!!!!!!1111111

[Bobmuhthol]

This syncs up with the bien and Jap-Sub-Eng rips.

[Warriorbird]

Yeah. Much better than that one set out there. I'm still looking forward to nabbing the official translation.

[Edited on 9-18-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Back]

Originally posted by Detri
The Final Fantasy series with exception to X/X-2 & Tactics/TA/XII have never followed the same storyline, same path, same world or anything. They change it up with every game and that's what keeps it from getting stale, although admittedly X/X-2 sucked for me.

But wouldn't Advent Children/Dirge of Cerberus/Last Order/Crisis Core make you happy, considering your arguments?

Also... Lunar series is my personal favorite, so good choices there. :barf::yes:

[Edited on 9-15-2005 by Detri]

Curious why you and most other people think FFX sucked? I’m having a blast with it. To me its like a more mature and much more advanced Zelda. The talking between action got a little much at times, but the story was pretty tight I thought.