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I have never liked this illiterate rapper but his comments couldn’t have been done in a more inappropriate forum. If Kanye wanted to voice his opinion regarding Bush and Hurricane relief, he could have done it at a press conference or better yet made a song about it.
For the record I have never been a fan of Bush, this isn’t about Kanye's comments, it is about when he choose to voice them.
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Warriorbird
09-07-2005, 12:22 PM
Oddly enough, despite his dropout status I'd say Kanye's probably one of the more literate rappers these days. Despite that, this has been heavily discussed elsewhere in the forum.
Jolena
09-07-2005, 12:27 PM
Yep i think I posted about it originally in the International Aid thread, or perhaps it was just "Aid" thread. Either way, it's been discussed.
Hulkein
09-07-2005, 12:28 PM
He's an idiot.
Stick to discussing safety belts Kanye.
I have been out of town for a week, sorry I didn't know it had been discussed.
[Edited on 9-7-2005 by xtc]
Originally posted by xtc
If Kanye wanted to voice his opinion regarding Bush and Hurricane relief, he could have done it at a press conference or better yet made a song about it.
I agree. I have a daunting feeling he is going to do just that. Eek.
For the record I have never been a fan of Bush, this isn’t about Kanye's comments, it is about when he choose to voice them. I found it funny you used illiterate and Bush in the same sentence and failed to put two and two together. Seriously though he is one of the most non-illiterate rappers out at the present. His statements seemed to be based more off of emotion than anything else resembling logic at the time.
Also, for not being such a fan of Bush, you did in fact vote for him in the previous presidential election. If that doesn't make you a supporter I don't know what does.
Warriorbird
09-07-2005, 12:34 PM
It's cool. You're more than welcome to contribute to the three or four threads it's in. I'm certainly not a mod. I didn't mean to suggest it wasn't still relavent, because a lot of people are backing him up recently (David Banner and T.I. for example, as well as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton...who more of the threads seem to focus on).
I don't believe I said who I voted for in the last election.
Sean of the Thread
09-07-2005, 12:42 PM
I personally thought he was babbling incoherently in that red cross video with Mike Myers from the Sharpton thread. I was like "WTF were they thinking putting him in front of a camera?"
My apologies. I was as certain you did as I was that Tamral did not vote at all in the presidential election. Again, my bad for the misinformation.
Kainen
09-07-2005, 12:44 PM
Regardless of whether or not Kanye West is illiterate, he's an idiot for standing there and trying to make the whole thing about whether or not Bush cares about black people. I think it's bullshit the way that white people are "looking for food" but black people are "looters" in the media. But in reality that issue should not be first and foremost in anyone's mind. The issue that should be recognized right now is that all those people, regardless of race, need help.
Warriorbird
09-07-2005, 12:45 PM
Curiously enough, he was advocating that too.
Folks backing him up and inspired by him have raised quite a bit.
Parkbandit
09-07-2005, 12:46 PM
He's a fucking rapper. Since when does his warped opinion mean shit to anyone? What a surprise, he did something inappropriate. I am shocked. Really I am.
People put too much weight into any celebrity comment.. no matter how retarded.
Personally, it made him look like a jackass.
Warriorbird
09-07-2005, 12:50 PM
Shockingly enough... people tend to like celebrities and empathize with them. Our current governor of California and one of our former presidents come to mind when I find your statement funny, Parkbandit.
CrystalTears
09-07-2005, 12:51 PM
I'm still in denial that Arnold is governor of California. They have to keep showing me the CA newsletters from DMV with his face on it, and yet I still laugh. :D
Originally posted by Parkbandit
Since when does his warped opinion mean shit to anyone? Like, you mean, the bulk of white suburban kids who keep these guys in business. Yeah, ok... lol
Warriorbird
09-07-2005, 12:56 PM
Curiously enough, his album sales shot through the roof after his statement. His opinion obviously means nothing.
Showal
09-07-2005, 12:56 PM
You know how they used to have that dancing banana in that flash video having a dance off against that pepper? They should do the same thing with Bush and Kanye.
Warriorbird
09-07-2005, 12:57 PM
That'd be fucking awesome. Neither of them can dance.
Showal
09-07-2005, 12:58 PM
FUCKING DANCE-OFF!
Brittney and Justin did it when they broke up.
Hulkein
09-07-2005, 12:58 PM
Album sales = Valid and educated opinions
??????
CrystalTears
09-07-2005, 01:02 PM
It depends on the opinion. If it's for/against the government, it's a big deal. If it's about religion or something, it hurts you. Look what happened to Cruise when he went on his Scientology binge. He's not the most liked person right now. Maybe he needs to trash Bush or something. :P
Originally posted by Hulkein
Album sales = Valid and educated opinions
?????? Since when did an opinion have to be valid and educated for people to actually listen and agree with it. lol
Warriorbird
09-07-2005, 01:05 PM
Album sales = Valid and educated opinions
When said album sales come with a spike in connected charities I'd say so.
The Dixie Chicks crashed and burned after they criticized Bush. It isn't happening here.
Hulkein
09-07-2005, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by DeV
Originally posted by Hulkein
Album sales = Valid and educated opinions
?????? Since when did an opinion have to be valid and educated for people to actually listen and agree with it. lol
No one is saying people aren't listening.
I believe myself and PB are pointing out that his opinion should mean shit, and album sales don't change that.
[Edited on 9-7-2005 by Hulkein]
Warriorbird
09-07-2005, 01:20 PM
I believe myself and PB are pointing out that his opinion should mean...
Because you two are clearly the arbitrers of truth and meaning.
Hulkein
09-07-2005, 01:22 PM
I know nothing about Kanye West, but I'd wager that I have more education and less of a police record than Kanye West.
Showal
09-07-2005, 01:24 PM
hahahahha
Skeeter
09-07-2005, 01:25 PM
You have any sources to back up your claims that people were inspired by Kanye West's moronic blather?
Warriorbird
09-07-2005, 01:26 PM
Kanye West doesn't have a police record other than a bad traffic accident. He's decisively not gangsta.
:chuckles:
He didn't make it through undergrad, but he's helped sell millions of records.
Originally posted by Hulkein
No one is saying people aren't listening.
I believe myself and PB are pointing out that his opinion should mean shit, and album sales don't change that.
[Edited on 9-7-2005 by Hulkein] Well your opinion doesn't change facts, but it's good to know what you and PB were talking about.
Warriorbird
09-07-2005, 01:27 PM
Oh, I don't agree with what he said. I just understand why some folks agree with him.
Originally posted by Warriorbird
Oh, I don't agree with what he said. Neither do I for the record. He put his foot in his mouth and then some. He's a smug cocky bastard but there are those who listen to every word he says and takes them to heart. That's just the truth.
Warriorbird
09-07-2005, 01:35 PM
He's got that empathetic quality. I think it was Jay Z who said he was a, "real soulful dude." People like that can get away with outrageous things. Republicans should be glad he'll never end up in politics. Clinton had that same quality.
I like his music. I like the fact that his statement seems to have spurred action even if I think racism was the farthest thing from Bush's mind regarding Katrina. I like the fact that it's made Republicans get all self important. I think it's a good counter to their victim blaming (that horrible mayor and governor and city government! they clearly factor into Army Corps of Engineer decisions!) that some of the Republicans have gotten up to. There's a lot of problems out there regarding this. It isn't simple.
I think Gary Becker (http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/archives/2005/09/major_disasters.html) and Richard Posner (http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/archives/2005/09/katrina_cost-be.html) have added new ramifications that I'm still wrapping my head around... many people's statements on these issues are important. And if Hulkein attacks their credibility because they're bloggers... well... I'll laugh again today.
[Edited on 9-7-2005 by Warriorbird]
Parkbandit
09-07-2005, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Warriorbird
Shockingly enough... people tend to like celebrities and empathize with them. Our current governor of California and one of our former presidents come to mind when I find your statement funny, Parkbandit.
It's not BECAUSE they are celebrities.. it's because they connect with the people.
Sorry, but I don't connect with a drop out thug rapper.
I don't connect with a wacko that believes AIDS is a US Government created disease that was intentionally introduced into Africa to kill black people.
I don't connect with a wacko that believes that George W Bush doesn't like black people.. and that's why he intentionally 'dragged' his feet in responding to the hurricane in the south.
Feel free to connect with him.
:shrug:
hectomaner
09-07-2005, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by Hulkein
I know nothing about Kanye West, but I'd wager that I have more education and less of a police record than Kanye West.
your racist comments make the baby jesus cry. and in all honesty, that post should be pulled
hectomaner
09-07-2005, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Parkbandit
Sorry, but I don't connect with a drop out thug rapper.
when was the last time you saw a thug walking around in a pink polo shirt, khaki pants, and wearing a backpack?
oh yeah, but he's black, he's a rapper, he must be a thug, right?
jesus christ, the comments in this thread are getting pretty fucking pathetic.
We don't, PB, as far as his political views go. At least for myself. But millions of others do. What about that can't you comprehend? Your as well as my opinion is like a piece of sand compared to his though. Frustrating isn't it.
[Edited on 9-7-2005 by DeV]
Warriorbird
09-07-2005, 01:44 PM
thug rapper
You're clearly well informed about him.
:snickers:
Yeah, I don't know many thugs off the top of my head that would have been accepted to Chicago's Columbia College, let alone applied in the first place.
Hulkein
09-07-2005, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by hectomaner
Originally posted by Hulkein
I know nothing about Kanye West, but I'd wager that I have more education and less of a police record than Kanye West.
your racist comments make the baby jesus cry. and in all honesty, that post should be pulled
Why should that post be pulled?
I'd say the same thing if James Hetfield was the one making these comments.
Stop looking for racism in every crevice, douche bag.
hectomaner
09-07-2005, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Hulkein
Originally posted by hectomaner
Originally posted by Hulkein
I know nothing about Kanye West, but I'd wager that I have more education and less of a police record than Kanye West.
your racist comments make the baby jesus cry. and in all honesty, that post should be pulled
Why should that post be pulled?
I'd say the same thing if James Hetfield was the one making these comments.
Stop looking for racism in every crevice, douche bag.
funny, because i don't believe i've EVER called out ANY racist comments on this board. so i MUST be searching for it everywhere huh?
and my apologies, i think it was more a bit of stereotyping than racism.
i wont even go into how different it would be if it was james hetfield, or any other artist with a well noted history of law interactions, rather than someone who has not.
Souzy
09-07-2005, 02:09 PM
I didn't bother to read the entire thread (as usual). But, sounds like he put his foot in his mouth, especially at a bad time. Who ever looted T.V.'s, games, ect., was just stealing. Who ever looted food, blankets, and what ever needed to live, was just a survivor. I mean seriously, WTF are you going to do with that T.V.? Put it in your house that's now under water? People need to seriously think sometimes. I don't care what race you are, but stupidity doesn't need a color.
[Edited on 9-7-2005 by Souzy]
Makkah
09-07-2005, 02:14 PM
Kanye is straight G... you ain't know?
Originally posted by Hulkein
I know nothing about Kanye West, but I'd wager that I have more education and less of a police record than Kanye West.
He's a college drop-out, hence the name of his last album.
Here's the actual video, not sure if anyone has linked to it yet: http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/619.html
Site maybe a tiny bit NSFW
Parkbandit
09-07-2005, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by DeV
We don't, PB, as far as his political views go. At least for myself. But millions of others do. What about that can't you comprehend? Your as well as my opinion is like a piece of sand compared to his though. Frustrating isn't it.
[Edited on 9-7-2005 by DeV]
It's not frustrating to me in the least. I laugh at people who blinding follow celebs BECAUSE they are celebs. Like they have some special PhD in political theory or something.
Warriorbird
09-07-2005, 03:11 PM
Sort've like reasonably well-educated hotel managers who blindly follow Bush.
;)
hectomaner
09-07-2005, 03:15 PM
:lol2:
wait a minute, what is wrong with that? i blindly follow bush...
anywhere bush goes, i'm sure to follow
[Edited on 9-7-2005 by hectomaner]
Sean of the Thread
09-07-2005, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Warriorbird
Sort've like reasonably well-educated hotel managers who blindly follow Bush.
;)
Emislity?
Originally posted by Parkbandit
I laugh at people who blinding follow celebs BECAUSE they are celebs. Like they have some special PhD in political theory or something. Same goes for Politicians. You saw that one coming from a mile away didn't ya...
Originally posted by DeV
Originally posted by Parkbandit
I laugh at people who blinding follow celebs BECAUSE they are celebs. Like they have some special PhD in political theory or something. Same goes for Politicians. You saw that one coming from a mile away didn't ya...
At least they work in the field. Some of these rappers would be lucky to spell their own name correctly.
Kanye can't even spell Kayne right :smilegrin:
Hulkein
09-07-2005, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by hectomanerand my apologies, i think it was more a bit of stereotyping than racism.
Yeah, it was stereotyping.
The stereotype that musicians (and actors) aren't overly educated or smart, and should stfu and stick to making their music, not making ridiculous claims or directing the public on how to think/act.
Keller
09-07-2005, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by hectomaner
Originally posted by Parkbandit
Sorry, but I don't connect with a drop out thug rapper.
when was the last time you saw a thug walking around in a pink polo shirt, khaki pants, and wearing a backpack?
oh yeah, but he's black, he's a rapper, he must be a thug, right?
jesus christ, the comments in this thread are getting pretty fucking pathetic.
/sign
Terminator X
09-08-2005, 02:18 AM
"Do you have negroes too?"
Surely Kanye did not dare to take a stab at a culturally sensitive and loving human being! :rolleyes:
Sean of the Thread
09-08-2005, 02:18 AM
I stick by my original comment that he is a fucking idiot and a college drop out like me.
Terminator X
09-08-2005, 02:21 AM
^
At least you know that Brazil has "negroes."
Sean of the Thread
09-08-2005, 02:25 AM
I was stabbed in the hip when I was 13 by a person.. who happened to be black. I was also stabbed in the left hand when I was 21 by a person.. who happened to be a drunk carrot top white irish fucker. This is only relevant because you ^ at my post on accident.
That is all.
Terminator X
09-08-2005, 02:34 AM
Carrot sticks are pretty good with just plain blue cheese dressing, right?
Sean of the Thread
09-08-2005, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by Terminator X
Carrot sticks are pretty good with just plain blue cheese dressing, right?
Don't eat bumpy carrots.
Terminator X
09-08-2005, 02:44 AM
I'd have to be relatively more hungry than usual to do that...
...probably like Kathy Lee Gifford stuck in a size small wetsuit in the Sahara Desert with pot munchies... kind of hungry.
hectomaner
09-08-2005, 03:19 AM
Originally posted by Terminator X
^
At least you know that Brazil has "negroes."
At least you know that "Brazil" has "negroes."
Androidpk
09-08-2005, 09:00 AM
At least I got chicken.
Keller
09-08-2005, 10:08 AM
Wait, who else likes toast?
Sean of the Thread
09-08-2005, 06:49 PM
Let whitey share some some of the "I said something fucking stupid" stage.
http://www.schnittshow.com/timages/page/media/cnn_so_poor_so_black.wmv
Barbara Bush already did that.
Anyway, your link doesn't work or maybe it's just me.
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Sean of the Thread
09-16-2005, 07:06 AM
Fresh..
http://ia300134.us.archive.org/0/items/George_Bush_Doesnt_Like_Black_People/GeorgeBushDoesntCareAboutBlackPeople.mp3
Warriorbird
09-16-2005, 07:17 AM
http://www.k-otix.com/bush.mp3
Skirmisher
09-16-2005, 09:35 AM
Xyelin please for the love of god fix your posted link so it doesn't try to stretch the page out of existance. Make it a hyperlink with a normal name is all! :cry: I did find myself listening to the song though. heh.
And WB I get the same messgae DeV did when i try to click on your link. Links are vexing me today ::pullhair::
Warriorbird
09-16-2005, 09:49 AM
Bah. Damnit. I'll nab another link.
Warriorbird
09-16-2005, 09:51 AM
K-Otix - George Bush Doesn't Care About Black People (http://ia300134.us.archive.org/0/items/George_Bush_Doesnt_Like_Black_People/GeorgeBushDoesntCareAboutBlackPeople.mp3)
K-Otix remixes Kanye West's "Gold Digger" with Kanye's telethon comment at the beginning.
Jamie Foxx is on the original hook, singing a Ray Charles line.
[Edited on 9-16-2005 by Warriorbird]
Sean of the Thread
09-16-2005, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by Skirmisher
Xyelin please for the love of god fix your posted link so it doesn't try to stretch the page out of existance. Make it a hyperlink with a normal name is all! :cry: I did find myself listening to the song though. heh.
And WB I get the same messgae DeV did when i try to click on your link. Links are vexing me today ::pullhair::
Oh it fits fine on my resolution. Sorry next time I'll try to remember you are kicking 340 x 340.
Skirmisher
09-16-2005, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Xyelin
Oh it fits fine on my resolution. Sorry next time I'll try to remember you are kicking 340 x 340.
Thanks!
:D
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