Help the Animals affected by Katrina

[Odysia]

I hope I'm posting this in the right forum. Of not, my apologies, but this issue is near and dear to my heart.

As is common with such disasters, the littlest ones are the most forgotten...

Please visit this site to donate to the animal relief fund that has been set up as a result of Katrina.

https://secure.hsus.org/01/disaster_relief_fund_2005



Ody

[Apotheosis]

how about we kill all the animals, and cook them for the survivors, then everyone wins. The animals are out of their misery, and people have food.

[Doyle Hargraves]

Originally posted by Yswithe
how about we kill all the animals, and cook them for the survivors, then everyone wins. The animals are out of their misery, and people have food.

How about no?

http://ee.ucd.ie/~elalor/Album/The%20punch%20heard%20round%20the%20world.jpg

[Edited on 8-31-2005 by Doyle Hargraves]

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Doyle Hargraves

Originally posted by Yswithe
how about we kill all the animals, and cook them for the survivors, then everyone wins. The animals are out of their misery, and people have food.

How about no?

Anyone else see the seal on Anderson Cooper last night? :( :( :(

-M
these people have my money.

[Tisket]

Originally posted by Odysia
I hope I'm posting this in the right forum. Of not, my apologies, but this issue is near and dear to my heart.

As is common with such disasters, the littlest ones are the most forgotten...

Please visit this site to donate to the animal relief fund that has been set up as a result of Katrina.

https://secure.hsus.org/01/disaster_relief_fund_2005


Have you even watched the recent news regarding this disaster? Jesus Christ, if I have money to send it WON'T be for ANIMAL relief. Fuck that.

[Sean of the Thread]

Help the humans first.

[Odysia]

Have you even watched the recent news regarding this disaster? Jesus Christ, if I have money to send it WON'T be for ANIMAL relief. Fuck that.

As a matter of fact, I've had WWL news live broadcast on all day at work. And I've heard not one word about the animals.

People were warned to get out . . . they didn't . . or they did, and left their animals.

Everyone supports something different with regards to disasters. This is what I am supporting. You don't have to like it. Send your money elsewhere.

I'm sorry people first, fuck animals.

[CrystalTears]

Please do not be rude about this. Everyone has their right to support what they wish. There is suffering enough with this disaster, let's not come down on people for wanting to help animals as well.

Let's keep this civil please. Thanks.

and i have the right to express my opinions. thanks.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Please do not be rude about this.

You can state any opinion you want, I'm saying to do it with some tact rather than 'fuck animals'. Comprende? Thanks.

[GSLeloo]

I agree that animals are a lot more defenseless. I'd help animals and children first. Thanks for the website.

[Tisket]

I am always civil

Compassion is misplaced in this case.

Humans > Animals

When every man, woman, and child has shelter, food, and water then perhaps I will worry about the animals.

Originally posted by CrystalTears

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Please do not be rude about this.

You can state any opinion you want, I'm saying to do it with some tact rather than 'fuck animals'. Comprende? Thanks.

The day you start using tact in all of your posts will be the day I do the same. Until then
People first, fuck animals.

[CrystalTears]

*sigh* Thanks for the support, Dave.

[DeV]

You can always count on someone to shit on someone else's parade.

[GSLeloo]

This thread wasn't discussing which is better it was to give people a place to support the animals in this disaster. So why do we need to attack it for that? If you don't like it she's not asking you to donate.

[Dwarven Empath]

Maybe Dave will be attacked by sick animals:lol::lol::lol:

[Doyle Hargraves]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
I agree that animals are a lot more defenseless. I'd help animals and children first. Thanks for the website.

:yeahthat:

Pets > People

People > Dave

Therefore Pets > Dave

[xtc]

Originally posted by Dave

Originally posted by CrystalTears

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Please do not be rude about this.

You can state any opinion you want, I'm saying to do it with some tact rather than 'fuck animals'. Comprende? Thanks.

The day you start using tact in all of your posts will be the day I do the same. Until then
People first, fuck animals.

Most people are assholes as witnessed by your post.

Animals first, fuck humans.

This will be good for the human species, thin out the herd a little. Only those too stupid or slow to get out New Orleans, despite the warnings, will die. This will elevate the species.

*Please note I do not actually believe the above paragraph just giving Dave the same consideration he has shown others here.

[CrystalTears]

If something should happen to my home and I had to vacate, the first ones I'm concerned aside from my family are my animals, not my neighbor. Sorry.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
This thread wasn't discussing which is better it was to give people a place to support the animals in this disaster. So why do we need to attack it for that? If you don't like it she's not asking you to donate.

Very true Leloo.

I will fess up to my first reaction being that I feel the need to send my donations to those efforts helping people there, but yes, of course there is certainly nothing at all wrong and in fact everything good about helping those animals who were left behind to suffer as well.

The point brought up was a good one, people who remained in NO and did not go to the stadium, for the most part did so out of choice.

The same cannot be said for all the pets left behind.

[DianaBanana]

I would have taken my dog with me. My heart really goes out to all those pets left behind. The people had a choice, the animals had none.

[Kyra]

Thanks for the link, I'm going to cross-post it to other boards.



Ever occur to you why some of us can be this much concerned with animals suffering? Because government is not. Why not? Animals don't vote. ~Paul Harvey

[Sean of the Thread]

Well bringing pets with you is not always a choice. Florida is just now piloting a program where pets will be allowed in shelters.

[Latrinsorm]

I forgot how only the people who didn't leave had their houses destroyed.

[AnticorRifling]

FYI if I'm ever forced to evacuate my home there are 4 things that I'll pull out of the house.

1) The wife
2) Weiner dog 1
3) Weiner dog 2
4) my HDD

I actually have doggie downers sitting in the cabinet just in case. Force one down each dog's throat and then they won't freak out or fight if I've got to take them out of a chaotic situation. But believe they are comming with.

[Odysia]

Originally posted by Kyra
Thanks for the link, I'm going to cross-post it to other boards.



Thanks Kyra. I couldn't find an appropriate place to post it on the play.net boards.



If something should happen to my home and I had to vacate, the first ones I'm concerned aside from my family are my animals, not my neighbor. Sorry.


Ditto. I have my cat carriers in an easy to reach location should we have a quake and its necessary to leave in a hurry.

I can't remember who mentioned their first instinct is to help the people. But, as I listen to the reports, go to the stores, listen to the radio, everyone is giving locations to donate to the people displaced by this disaster.

My first thought, when considering where to donate my money, is that they have enough help coming. Enough people and companies are donating financially. The few dollars I can scrape together will in no way add to the millions already going to their aid. It will help the animals far more.

Mine is just one opinion of many, but I see no need to resort to being rude to voice that opinion.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'd save my dogs before I saved Dave, given his penchant for animal cruelty.

[Doyle Hargraves]

Same here. Though I'd encourage my dog relieve herself on Dave's face on the way out.

I mean what's he gonna do, bust another tooth trying to shoot us for it?

[Edited on 8-31-2005 by Doyle Hargraves]

[ElanthianSiren]

I'd tie big old greyhound on my back and stuff the ferret in my bra if I had to, seriously. I was watching how someone had to leave their dog last night due to its size. It was heartbreaking.

Regardless how you feel about people donating, I'd wager many of those pets left behind belonged to someone (or still belong to someone) who loved and cherished them. If that person is a dead person, you just pissed on their memory. People before animals, indeed.

-M

[Tisket]

Originally posted by DianaBanana
I would have taken my dog with me. My heart really goes out to all those pets left behind. The people had a choice, the animals had none.

Unfortunately this is untrue. There are a lot of children trapped in that area.

I am sure you don't mean that because the adults in their lives were too idiotic to leave the area means that their kids deserve to suffer.

We all know the newspeople NEVER exaggerate a threat so those people who "chose" (although people with no resources seldom have a choice) deserve what they get. Yeah makes sense to me.



[Edited on 8-31-2005 by Tisket]

[Artha]

We all know the newspeople NEVER exaggerate a threat so those people who "chose" (although people with no resources seldom have a choice) deserve what they get. Yeah makes sense to me.

Evac was mandatory, not optional. Their fault.

[Doyle Hargraves]

I was watching how someone had to leave their dog last night due to its size. It was heartbreaking.

I'd be staying behind with my dog. If it got me killed, at least I'd die with a clear conscience.

[Snapp]

Originally posted by Doyle Hargraves
Same here. Though I'd encourage my dog relieve herself on Dave's face on the way out.

I mean what's he gonna do, bust another tooth trying to shoot us for it?

:rofl:

Thanks for the link Odysia. I know a few people who'd be interested in contributing.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren
If that person is a dead person, you just pissed on their memory. People before animals, indeed.It would break my heart to leave a dog, cat, or other (non-insect) pet to die.

If I chose a dog's life over a kid's, I hope Dave shoots me 5 times in the head and a couple times in the kneecaps while he's at it.

Also, when we're talking about a million people out of work and tens of billions of dollars in damage, I find it hard to believe that anyone can rationally think "nah they're good, what else needs help?" but at least you're donating, so wtg.

[Asha]

Anything with a fucking heartbeat deserves help and support.
Humans - animals.
I'll personally be giving all my money and aid towards myself and my family.

[Hulkein]

If you're making sub-20,000 dollars a year, no one is going to expect much of you in terms of helping out.

[Viridian]

You know I love animals and everything and I'm sure its a good cause; but I would give my money to victims of this incident first so they can feed their CHILDREN first, animals second.

[Terminator X]

I want to save the kingdom protista.

Euglina ftw :(

[Bobmuhthol]

So many fucking ants have died from this.

Please donate to give them a proper burial.

[Apotheosis]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
If something should happen to my home and I had to vacate, the first ones I'm concerned aside from my family are my animals, not my neighbor. Sorry.

and because much of america has lost that "sense of community" and "looking out for your neighbor", we are screwed as a nation.

[longshot]

I think the animals will be quite well fed for awhile...


http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/upload/Longshot/1384.gif

[SpunGirl]

I read on cnn.com that two vetrinary trauma units are being dispatched along with all the other trauma and other kinds of units. So yay.

-K

[Doyle Hargraves]

Originally posted by longshot
I think the animals will be quite well fed for awhile...


http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/upload/Longshot/1384.gif

I always meant to see what happens when the timer counts down to 0 on that game to see what happens. Maybe I'll remember to next time I play it.

EDIT: The scary part is there probably are or will be alligators swimming around New Orleans.

[Edited on 9-1-2005 by Doyle Hargraves]

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Yswithe

Originally posted by CrystalTears
If something should happen to my home and I had to vacate, the first ones I'm concerned aside from my family are my animals, not my neighbor. Sorry.

and because much of america has lost that "sense of community" and "looking out for your neighbor", we are screwed as a nation.

And in times of crisis, I look out for those I can save first, such as my immediate family. I'm always willing to help others in need. However if I had to CHOOSE between my pets or neighbor, I'm sorry if I chose my animals first.

[Edited on 9/1/2005 by CrystalTears]

So you and your neighbors houses are on fire. Everything inside is a total loss, except your house has your cat in it alive and well, and your neighbor is in their house alive and well, you can save only one, the other will most definitely die. You save your cat CT?

[Edited on 9-1-2005 by Dave]

[Apotheosis]

Originally posted by Dave
So you and your neighbors houses are on fire. Everything inside is a total loss, except your house has your cat in it alive and well, and your neighbor is in their house alive and well, you can save only one, the other will most definitely die. You save your cat CT?

[Edited on 9-1-2005 by Dave]

c'mon dave, you know it's "not like that". you're being too critical dave. Of course you save the cat first, dummy.

[Kyra]

Originally posted by Dave
So you and your neighbors houses are on fire. Everything inside is a total loss, except your house has your cat in it alive and well, and your neighbor is in their house alive and well, you can save only one, the other will most definitely die. You save your cat CT?

[Edited on 9-1-2005 by Dave]

Shouldn't whether it's "right" to choose an animals life over a humans have it's own thread? Seems off topic to me. <shrug> :D

[peam]

I like animals more than I like people.

Just sayin'.

[Keller]

Originally posted by Xyelin
Eat the humans first.

You're fucking sick man.

[Atlanteax]

I think that the biggest difference that some posters are missing out on... between people and animals... in this kind of situation...

Pets, such as dogs and cat, do not have the ability to utilize reason and knowledge in making survival decisions.

Where (most) human beings can figure out that they should find higher ground (ie climbing ontop of a roof) for rescue/escape... while the dogs/cats will frantically try to find their owners or safe ground, and are likely to physically exhaust themselves and/or go the "wrong" direction.

.

Basically, pets do not have the ability to fend for themselves, much less in such a tragic situation.

.

Meanwhile, we have several individuals in NOs who have apparently decided that it is in their best interest to enrich themselves by taking advantage of the chaos.

.

I think those who are being condescending or ridiculing the original poster's intent should go crawl back under their rock.

[Killer Kitten]

North Shore Animal League is also responding to the crisis. They accept donations through their website.

https://secure.ga3.org/01/support_rescue/nT1q9l8K19R5y?

Animals can feel pain, cold, hunger, terror and bewilderment, just like people can. Unlike humans, animals cannot articulate their needs. Also unlike humans, most animals in need of help end up getting a syringe full of 'pink juice' instead of a meal and a place to sleep.

I see nothing wrong with trying to save these lives as well. All life is sacred, except for cockroaches. And Lance Armstrong. <g>

[Killer Kitten]

Sorry about that, my browser went kerflooie and I managed to post twice.

:compbash:

[Edited on 9-1-2005 by Killer Kitten]

[Alfster]

Originally posted by Dave
So you and your neighbors houses are on fire. Everything inside is a total loss, except your house has your cat in it alive and well, and your neighbor is in their house alive and well, you can save only one, the other will most definitely die. You save your cat CT?

[Edited on 9-1-2005 by Dave]

What if your neighbors an asshole? Heh, in that case I may just try and find my imaginary kitty before I'd help his sorry ass.

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by Killer Kitten
North Shore Animal League is also responding to the crisis. They accept donations through their website.

https://secure.ga3.org/01/support_rescue/nT1q9l8K19R5y?

Animals can feel pain, cold, hunger, terror and bewilderment, just like people can. Unlike humans, animals cannot articulate their needs. Also unlike humans, most animals in need of help end up getting a syringe full of 'pink juice' instead of a meal and a place to sleep.

I see nothing wrong with trying to save these lives as well. All life is sacred, except for cockroaches. And Lance Armstrong. <g>


True, a dog can't loot a store and carry out a 20 pound bag of food.

You could always look at it population wise. It's easier to go get animals fixed so they the don't over populate and take over the world.

You can't bring you neighbor in and get them fixed so if you save your animal over the neighbor, you're helping the whole world by helping cut back on the human population. :D :rolleyes:

I think I would have to go with the human though or I'd feel guilty for the rest of my life.

[Shari]

I think CT's response to what Dave presented should go something like this..


"If my neighbor was YOU, not only would I be looking for that imaginary kitty of mine, I'd be shooting you and putting me out of my misery, and I wont bust my own teeth out in the process."

I swear lately his posts are getting as bad as X's.

Anyway, I'd be loading up the two dogs, the lizard in a 10 gallon, the tortoise in the 30 gallon, and putting the betta in a large cup, then into the cupholder of my car, and managing to cram the fiancee and myself in my Tracker if I had to.

I likely will be donating money to the people, but its nice to see that there is attention to be given to the animals as well.

[OreoElf]

I hate to say people relief comes before animal relief... I'd rescue my animals as best I could... This is an awful disaster... that will not only effect New Orleans... all those poor people and animals.

[Shari]

Xyelin, I HAD to use that picture for my avatar. I actually laughed out loud when I saw it.

[Rainy Day]

I just donated to the Red Cross to help out the people. If I could afford it, I'd make another donation to help out the pets, but unfortunately I can't.

Maybe people who have never been really close to a pet just can't understand. One of the first New Orleans pics I saw was of an abandoned dog sitting on a roof surrounded by floodwaters and it broke my heart. The chances of that dog surviving this are very slim and when I think about that possibly being my dog instead it brings tears to my eyes.

The posts blaming the people who remained in New Orleans as if it's all their fault are pissing me off too. One third of the people living in NO live under the poverty level. Many of them don't have their own transportation. Those people COULD NOT leave. Others remained behind because they had sick family members who couldn't be moved. I just read a story about one guy who tried to get out but couldn't find anyone willing to take him. Blanket statements about people being too stupid to leave are totally ignorant.

RD

[Doyle Hargraves]

Originally posted by Dave
So you and your neighbors houses are on fire. Everything inside is a total loss, except your house has your cat in it alive and well, and your neighbor is in their house alive and well, you can save only one, the other will most definitely die. You save your cat CT?

[Edited on 9-1-2005 by Dave]

Are you the neighbor?

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Dave
So you and your neighbors houses are on fire. Everything inside is a total loss, except your house has your cat in it alive and well, and your neighbor is in their house alive and well, you can save only one, the other will most definitely die. You save your cat CT?

After the self-righteous bullshit you gave me through U2U's, WTF do you care what I do and why are you even addressing me? If YOU were the neighbor, not only would I save my almost dead animals, but I drop a tank of gas on your burning house just to make sure you can't get out. Fucker.

Just to satisfy the curiousity for those who aren't complete choads, if my apartment was burning, my cat and ferret would be in my arms as I'm running out the door. Once they are safe and if I'm able to help the neighbor, I will. My animals are my children, part of my family, and will do everything in my power to save them. The ferret locked in his cage has no way to get out on his own, my neighbors do.

I can't believe I'm even justifying anything to this nimrod. :rolleyes:

[Edited on 9/1/2005 by CrystalTears]

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Doyle Hargraves

Originally posted by Dave
So you and your neighbors houses are on fire. Everything inside is a total loss, except your house has your cat in it alive and well, and your neighbor is in their house alive and well, you can save only one, the other will most definitely die. You save your cat CT?

[Edited on 9-1-2005 by Dave]

Are you the neighbor?

Heh. That would make the question much easier to answer. :D

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

So I spent 4 hours after work Tuesday and 8 hours after work last night volunteering at a telethon to aid the victims of the hurricane, and I'd still save my dog before Dave.

For all your talk Dave, what have you done to help the "humans only" that were impacted?

PS - we took over 6000 calls and have raised over 480k in 3 days already. All volunteer staff, H&R Block gave up the phone lines and phones and rooms, KMBC News breaks into TV every 30 minutes or so, Popeye's Chicken brought free food, I monitored the volume and voicemails. All this from 5 til midnight after everyone has already worked a full day of work. I'm proud of the people sitting next to me.

[Brattt8525]

I donated to both the people and the animals. As far as what I would do is the same as CT. Saving my kids and my animals is number one, once they are safe then I would help others.

[DeV]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Just to satisfy the curiousity for those who aren't complete choads, if my apartment was burning, my cat and ferret would be in my arms as I'm running out the door. Once they are safe and if I'm able to help the neighbor, I will. My animals are my children, part of my family, and will do everything in my power to save them. The ferret locked in his cage has no way to get out on his own, my neighbors do.
I feel the same way.

[Odysia]

Just to satisfy the curiousity for those who aren't complete choads, if my apartment was burning, my cat and ferret would be in my arms as I'm running out the door. Once they are safe and if I'm able to help the neighbor, I will. My animals are my children, part of my family, and will do everything in my power to save them.


Dittio, Crystal. That's exactly what I would do.

Our animals are our responsibility. When we adopt, rescue or otherwise acquire an animal, we are agreeing to love, care for, and protect that animal. They trust you.

Abandoning them in their time of need is abandonment as much, prehaps moreso (see Atlantaex' post) than abandoning human children.

And before someone flies off the handle and asks who I would rescue, my child or my cat, let me throw this out ... if you had two children, and you could only save one of them . . . that is the choice you are asking those of us who love animals to make.

[peam]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
So I spent 4 hours after work Tuesday and 8 hours after work last night volunteering at a telethon to aid the victims of the hurricane, and I'd still save my dog before Dave.

For all your talk Dave, what have you done to help the "humans only" that were impacted?

PS - we took over 6000 calls and have raised over 480k in 3 days already. All volunteer staff, H&R Block gave up the phone lines and phones and rooms, KMBC News breaks into TV every 30 minutes or so, Popeye's Chicken brought free food, I monitored the volume and voicemails. All this from 5 til midnight after everyone has already worked a full day of work. I'm proud of the people sitting next to me.

:clap:

[Skirmisher]

:yeahthat:
Fantastic job SHM.

You and your coworkers and all who are helping should feel proud of themselves.

[Doyle Hargraves]

My animals are my children, part of my family, and will do everything in my power to save them.

:yeahthat:

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by peam

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
So I spent 4 hours after work Tuesday and 8 hours after work last night volunteering at a telethon to aid the victims of the hurricane, and I'd still save my dog before Dave.

For all your talk Dave, what have you done to help the "humans only" that were impacted?

PS - we took over 6000 calls and have raised over 480k in 3 days already. All volunteer staff, H&R Block gave up the phone lines and phones and rooms, KMBC News breaks into TV every 30 minutes or so, Popeye's Chicken brought free food, I monitored the volume and voicemails. All this from 5 til midnight after everyone has already worked a full day of work. I'm proud of the people sitting next to me.

:clap:

That's a lovely, selfless thing to do, for all involved. :grouphug:

-M

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by Odysia

Dittio, Crystal. That's exactly what I would do.

Our animals are our responsibility. When we adopt, rescue or otherwise acquire an animal, we are agreeing to love, care for, and protect that animal. They trust you.

Abandoning them in their time of need is abandonment as much, prehaps moreso (see Atlantaex' post) than abandoning human children.

And before someone flies off the handle and asks who I would rescue, my child or my cat, let me throw this out ... if you had two children, and you could only save one of them . . . that is the choice you are asking those of us who love animals to make.

Wow, Holy cow, that totally just shocked the hell out of me. I totally understand pet over neighbor... but damn... if your house is ever on fire let me know, I'll risk my life to save YOUR kid even if I have to kick your pet out of the way and into the burning flames to do it.

I don't know how you could save a dog/cat/what ever else you own, over your own child.

I got a very vivid picture in my head when I read your post...

a little kid screaming and crying hysterically in the backround for mommy as mommy picks up the pet and runs out the door.

I'm curious to know how many else would chose the pet they love so much over their child.

Your child can grow up to become president and change the world. While an animal can grow up, shit on your rug, and die in 8 years.

[CrystalTears]

You kick my pet, I'll knock you out and leave you in the burning building.

The whole "make a choice" argument is rather disgusting to me. My father would pull that shit on my mother all the time. "If your father and I were drowning, who would you save?" She would always say her father just because of that fucked up question.

Don't decide who is more important for others. I would do everything in my power, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, to save everyone in my family, including my pets. I don't think anyone is actually saying that they would leave their child behind to save only the animal, however being asked to choose one is still sick as I wouldn't want either of them to die. I would sooner die in the fire with my child and pet if I couldn't save them.

[Edited on 9/1/2005 by CrystalTears]

[ElanthianSiren]

Actually, the poster never answered the question of which she would save (her child or her animals). She said that having animals is like having children thus illustrating how difficult a choice it is for any animal lover to make.

-M

[GSLady17]

The way her post was worded, it came off to me as grabbing whoever she came accross first. Even if my animal is two steps inside the door, I wouldn't waste those few seconds to save it. Instead, I'd be running past it and to my child.

If I read her meaning wrong, I apologize.

As for making up fake situations, I agree it's dumb. The thread is off topic.

[Tisket]

Originally posted by Rainy Day

The posts blaming the people who remained in New Orleans as if it's all their fault are pissing me off too. One third of the people living in NO live under the poverty level. Many of them don't have their own transportation. Those people COULD NOT leave. Others remained behind because they had sick family members who couldn't be moved. I just read a story about one guy who tried to get out but couldn't find anyone willing to take him. Blanket statements about people being too stupid to leave are totally ignorant.

:yeahthat:



And believe me, if I was in a disaster area and saw some doofus bypassing my family and I to save a kitten I would be using his ass for target practice.

[CrystalTears]

OMG this thread is not off topic. It's still concerning saving the animals, Ms. Gestapo. Go join Dave in the board brigade.

And it saddens me that you would leave your animal to suffer and die when you have the ability to save them. You don't deserve pets if you're going to have that kind of mindset. Two steps inside the door.. grab the cat, fling it outside out of danger, then go get the kid. Why it has to be one or the other boggles the mind.

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by GSLady17
. Instead, I'd be running past it and to my child.

If I read her meaning wrong, I apologize.



Because the state will ever let a complete crazy like you breed....

Fake situation to the MAX.

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
OMG this thread is not off topic. It's still concerning saving the animals, Ms. Gestapo. Go join Dave in the board brigade.

And it saddens me that you would leave your animal to suffer and die when you have the ability to save them. You don't deserve pets if you're going to have that kind of mindset. Two steps inside the door.. grab the cat, fling it outside out of danger, then go get the kid. Why it has to be one or the other boggles the mind.


I'm sorry, every second matters when it comes to my kid. I'd risk my life for my child at the drop of the dime. If the cats too damn stupid to run out the door when flames are behind it, it deserves to die.

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling

Originally posted by GSLady17
. Instead, I'd be running past it and to my child.

If I read her meaning wrong, I apologize.



Because the state will ever let a complete crazy like you breed....

Fake situation to the MAX.


It's already been taken past the max.

[CrystalTears]

:gawk:

[Odysia]

She said that having animals is like having children thus illustrating how difficult a choice it is for any animal lover to make.

-M

Thank you. That was the exact intent of my post.

[Killer Kitten]

Originally posted by GSLady17
The way her post was worded, it came off to me as grabbing whoever she came accross first. Even if my animal is two steps inside the door, I wouldn't waste those few seconds to save it.

Now that you're apparently gestating... When, in about 6 or 7 years, you decide to obtain a pet for your kid:

Please don't.

[Doyle Hargraves]

I'm sorry, every second matters when it comes to my kid. I'd risk my life for my child at the drop of the dime. If the cats too damn stupid to run out the door when flames are behind it, it deserves to die.

Your logic is retarded. It could just as easily be said that if your child is too stupid to run out the door when flames are behind it, he deserves to die. After all, your child speaks English and should have been taught what to do if your house caught on fire (unless you're one of those incredibly stupid parents).

I'm not saying that a child deserves to die in that paragraph. I'm merely pointing out how stupid your logic is, as if anyone needed to be reminded.

I think the better choice in your case would to save your child and your pet, and you stay behind with the flames.



[Edited on 9-1-2005 by Doyle Hargraves]

[Odysia]

In addition to the Humane Society url that I posted to start this thread, the live broadcast I've been watching from Louisiana just added this url after doing a segment on how both of these organizations are trying to aid the animals.

http://www.uan.org/news/083105.html

[HarmNone]

Siamese Rescue in Dallas, and their main center in Virginia, have already begun to absorb the cats that are coming out of this disaster. They'll take any breed up to their capacity, then coordinate delivery of the various breeds to the organizations that deal with those breeds, specifically. Mixed breeds are handled by everybody. :)

There are a number of breed-specific rescue programs for dogs and cats impacted by disaster. All are run by individuals trying to offer what they can to help. If you're affiliated with any of these, don't forget to include them in your list when donating. They're usually pretty small, in comparison to some of the larger organizations like the Humane Society, and so are more pressed for funds. Almost all of them, while concentrating on one specific breed, will take in all distressed pets in time of need, then coordinate with each other to see that those they take in find homes. :)

[Odysia]

If you have any urls or contact info, post them. I'm sure at least a few people here would appreciate knowing who else they can donate to.

[Kyra]

The American Federation of Aviculture, Inc. (AFA) has established
a Disaster Relief Program to assist aviculturists who have been
affected by natural events such as hurricanes, wild fires,
earthquakes, etc. Disaster relief is available to provide
immediate and short term assistance to aviculturists and their
birds.

I am starting to coordinate the AFA's Disaster Relief efforts in
the areas affected by Hurricane Katrina. Please contact me if
you:

Are in need of assistance
Know someone in need of assistance
Are able to assist in the disaster relief efforts
Know of someone who wants to help in the disaster relief
efforts

Matt Schmit - AFA South Central Regional Director
713-862-3352 home
713-806-2587 mobile
aves75-at-loriinae.com

Please feel free to cross post.

[Terminator X]

Holy shit, :rofl: @ AnticorRifling's avatar (Arkans/bondage cat-woman?) :lol2:

[Killer Kitten]

Got this email from the League last night. They're hard at work sending rescue vans and people down to the disaster area to pick up stranded pets. More help is needed, so if you're looking for a worthy charity, NSAL is always a good bet:
_________________________________

Dear Friend,

As a concerned animal lover, I know it is heartbreaking to think about the thousands of stray and displaced dogs, cats, puppies and kittens that are suffering and in life-threatening danger as a result of Hurricane Katrina’s devastating wrath.

Animal shelters in Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia and Alabama have been severely damaged or completely destroyed. That’s why North Shore Animal League America mobilized our Emergency Response Team and dispatched three of our rescue units to help save animals from these hard hit areas.

Our first units have already returned to Long Island with 53 animals: 19 dogs, 16 puppies, 7 cats and 11 kittens. Their stores are heartbreaking and we will make sure our medical and training team works with these animals to get them readjusted as quickly as possible. The League will house, feed and nurture these rescued pets until we find loving families to adopt them.

As you can imagine, the cost of our rescue missions is enormous and unanticipated. Under normal circumstances, care for an individual animal can run upwards of $500. In an emergency situation, medical crash kits used to treat animals cost more than $2,000 each. The cost of fuel for a round trip for one mobile unit is exorbitant and increasing daily as a result of the storm damage.

The impact of this crisis will be felt for months and years to come. Your help today will enable us to continue our rescue missions for as long as there are helpless animals in need. Please donate now.

Sincerely,

Joanne Yohannan
Director, Emergency Response Team

[HarmNone]

NSAL is really an outstanding organization. I've been supporting them for years, and I know they'll be hip-deep in involvement with this disaster. They've got my donation!

[Jazuela]

If I had to choose between saving MY cat, or saving someone else's kid, I'd save my cat.

If the choice was saving someone else's cat and someone else's kid, I'd save the kid.

If it was saving my kid or saving someone else's pet, I'd save my kid.

If the choice was saving anyone who had the opportunity AND the means to leave, but chose to stay, and a pack of Reese's peanutbutter cups, I'd save the candy.

If the choice was saving a looter who got shot by another looter, and a bottle of spoiled milk floating in the shit-laden disesase-infested water, I'd save the milk.

[CrystalTears]

:lol: Damnit, I have to admit, that post was priceless.

[Artha]

If I had to choose between saving MY cat, or saving someone else's kid, I'd save my cat.
That's pretty fucked up.

[Drezzt]

All i could say when I saw this topic was...OMG.

For helping real people, here's a link

https://secure2.convio.net/arc/site/Donation?ACTION=SHOW_DONATION_OPTIONS&CAMPAIGN_ID= 1161

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by Artha

If I had to choose between saving MY cat, or saving someone else's kid, I'd save my cat.
That's pretty fucked up.

HOLY SHIT.. I told you there were people like that.

[CrystalTears]

Some of you would save your wardrobe before you saved a person, so I'm not buying this "you people disgust me" stance. If anything I'm more appauled by people who feel the need to lecture me while they are being trained to kill people. Whatthefuckever.

[Odysia]

check this out...

http://www.hsus.org/hsus_field/hsus_disaster_center/recent_activities_and_information/refusing_to_leave_them_behind_evacuees_smuggled_th eir_pets_out_with_them.html

[Doyle Hargraves]

I really don't get how someone could willingly evacuate from this and leave their pet behind to almost certain death. There's no way in hell I'd be running away from that shit and leaving my pet behind. If that meant dying with them, so be it.

Same goes for a family member, to all you "fuck animals" pieces of shit.

EDIT: That link doesn't work btw. I just managed to get linked to some other articles through that link.

[Edited on 9-6-2005 by Doyle Hargraves]

[Ravenstorm]

Here's the story. (http://www.hsus.org/hsus_field/hsus_disaster_center/recent_activities_and_information/refusing_to_leave_them_behind_evacuees_smuggled_th eir_pets_out_with_them.html)

Raven

[Doyle Hargraves]

That's the same shit I would have done.

Another note to you "fuck animals" asswipes, that I'm stealing from that article:

Animals are victims of this disaster as well, and disaster relief personnel heading into Louisiana and Mississippi to rescue the animals left behind are not just helping animals. They’re helping people, many of whom suddenly have nothing, to go on with their lives with a friend at their side.

If I lost everything I had but still had my dog, I'd be thankful.

If I lost everything I had, including my dog, I'd want to die.

[Edited on 9-6-2005 by Doyle Hargraves]

[Kyra]

hundreds of other animals carried out of New Orleans are a reminder of how much people love their pets, the extraordinary measures they will take to protect them, and what a great comfort animals can provide in the face of trauma.

Great article... :)

[Hulkein]

To all you 'I'd save my cat before a kid' asswhipes..... I dunno, I just felt like using the term asswhipe.

I already said my piece here, so I'll move along.

PS. It's pretty fucked up, lol.

[Kyra]

Originally posted by Hulkein
To all you 'I'd save my cat before a kid' asswhipes..... I dunno, I just felt like using the term asswhipe.

I already said my piece here, so I'll move along.

PS. It's pretty fucked up, lol.

Spellcheck is your friend. Asswipe....
















would be the proper term :D

[Skirmisher]

Now he'll have to say another piece even though it will just be regurgitating the same insensitivity again and again.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Hulkein
To all you 'I'd save my cat before a kid' asswhipes..... I dunno, I just felt like using the term asswhipe.

I already said my piece here, so I'll move along.

PS. It's pretty fucked up, lol.

Can we not just accept that none of us, until confronted with such a choice, actually knows for sure and certain WHAT we'd do? Also, can we not just accept that everyone does not think as we do, and that does not mean they are unworthy...just that they are not us?

[Killer Kitten]

That was a terrific article. Thank you for sharing it.

[Killer Kitten]

Giving this thread a little bump to share my NSAL newsletter with those interested. The part I put in bold made me kind of weepy.

Dear Friend,

I am writing to you returning from a rescue mission to Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Tom, Christina, and I have rescued 40 animals from Mobile and Biloxi area shelters. The past few weeks have been difficult for us but the success of our other rescue missions has given us the encouragement to continue our life-saving work in the hurricane affected areas.

The league has rescued over 165 animals and has transported them back to safety in our facility in Port Washington, NY. Over 100 animals from these rescue missions have already been adopted. I would like to share with you the following information:


Louisiana State University has opened their doors to be the staging area for over 600 animals.


400 of these are believed to be owned and everything is being done to reunite them with their owners.


The SPCA of Texas-Houston has admitted over 1,200 animals. North Shore Animal League America has been in constant contact with the SPCA of Texas to provide help whenever needed.


The Emergency Rescue Team lead by Diane saved the lives of 21 precious animals from the Humane Society of South Mississippi. This Gulf Port shelter was completely destroyed and yet these 21 animals managed to swim in their cages for over 7 hours to stay alive. We are proud to say that all 21 animals have already been adopted into loving homes.

There has been such a large outpouring of support; we have never experienced anything like this. It is so nice to know that everyone cares about the animals in a crisis like this and we will continue to help until every animal in need is rescued.

Please make a donation to support the Hurricane Katrina Animal Rescue fund today. Without the support of individuals like you, we cannot continue our life-saving missions.

Thanks again for caring in this time of need,

Debbie Lodigkeit

[Ebondale]

Fuck the animals.

Suddenly gators are more important than people? Kill them, skin them. Make some damn new gator shoes for the pimps of New Orleans and get that city back on its feet and partying again.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Ebondale
Fuck the animals.
Thousands of animals walking carelessly around a city that have been abondoned by their owners. I think they've pretty much already been fucked.

Thank God someone is willing to get the thousands of strays off the streets of NO and possibly to a better life or with their old owners. There are no doubt going to be some that will be put to sleep. I'm sure that will make the "fuck the animals" crowd happy, maybe not?

[Ebondale]

Animals have been walking around the planet carelessly for millions of years despite natural disasters. One hurricane isn't going to cause any great hardship to the poor, unfortunate animals of New Orleans.

[DeV]

I don't think it is their hardship that has caused people to respond to something that could turn into an eventual nightmare. I was thinking more along the lines of it being unsanitary as well as an inconvenience to have them milling about with nowhere to go with recovery efforts in place for the city. Dead animals also happen to carry an extremely disturbing smell along with whatever else it may bring. I consider it to be a precautionary measure among other things.

If the man power is available why not make use of it. I really don't see the big deal.

[Asha]

I know that if the time came for me to say goodbye to my dog, I'd fucking give my life to keep him by my side.
After all, he'd do the same for me.
My family would be the ones who'd miss me. That would be the only reason I'd let him go.
If I was totally on my own, I'd die for him.
Since I'm not, I'd save my loved ones the trouble and leave him behind.

But deep down, I'd be destroyed. Absolutely and of course totally destroyed.

[Jayvn]

Originally posted by Ebondale
Animals have been walking around the planet carelessly for millions of years despite natural disasters. One hurricane isn't going to cause any great hardship to the poor, unfortunate animals of New Orleans.

Yeah but once man domesticates them and fucks with the natural way of things, it's the his responsibility to take care of them. I'd kill someone if they fucked with my dogs, without a second thought.

[Edited on 9-14-2005 by Jayvn]

[Asha]

Well said.
Word, in fact.

[Ebondale]

Originally posted by DeV
I don't think it is their hardship that has caused people to respond to something that could turn into an eventual nightmare. I was thinking more along the lines of it being unsanitary as well as an inconvenience to have them milling about with nowhere to go with recovery efforts in place for the city. Dead animals also happen to carry an extremely disturbing smell along with whatever else it may bring. I consider it to be a precautionary measure among other things.

If the man power is available why not make use of it. I really don't see the big deal.

It is unsanitary, yes. I think the presence of dead domesticated animals presents less of a health hazard than the toxic waste, fuel, and narcotics that the city is washed in currently. I just think there should be priorities for clean-up and relief efforts. :)

If you have the option to save a human life at the cost of an animal life, then I am all for that.

[Ebondale]

Originally posted by Jayvn

Originally posted by Ebondale
Animals have been walking around the planet carelessly for millions of years despite natural disasters. One hurricane isn't going to cause any great hardship to the poor, unfortunate animals of New Orleans.

Yeah but once man domesticates them and fucks with the natural way of things, it's the his responsibility to take care of them. I'd kill someone if they fucked with my dogs, without a second thought.

[Edited on 9-14-2005 by Jayvn]

Yes.

Man got their hands on an incredibly noble species. Wolves. Made them stupid. Broke them.

Suddenly the once proud pack hunters are no longer feared, but rather allowed into man's home.

You'd kill someone over some god damn dogs? Sounds like you have issues. Thats why I prefer cat people. At least cats aren't god damn stupid.

[CrystalTears]

Way to stir up this hatred crap all over again. :rolleyes:

[DeV]

Originally posted by Ebondale
It is unsanitary, yes. I think the presence of dead domesticated animals presents less of a health hazard than the toxic waste, fuel, and narcotics that the city is washed in currently. I agree but with any kind of death brings disease and who knows what else. I think having to clean up the remains of dead or sickly domesticated animals is something that would be inevitable given the situation. It is just common sense to try and save them now that the people have been tended to.
I just think there should be priorities for clean-up and relief efforts. :) The people have been prioritized. I think people saying they haven't have overexaggerated to the max. The animals have come last. It has to start somewhere.


If you have the option to save a human life at the cost of an animal life, then I am all for that. I don't think that is what's up for debate. It is something that needs to be done. Period.

[iomelindi]

I'm with Jayvn. I'd have no second thoughts about disposing of a body if someone horribly injured any of our animals on purpose. Cats, or Dogs, or lizard. If I saw someone abusing an animal that wasn't mine, I'd beat the crap out of them. As for what happened in the hurricane...it makes me sad to think that it was too much effort for them to simply allow pets on the buses out. As for those morons who left there pets in cages inside houses that are now underwater...I have no words.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Ebondale
If you have the option to save a human life at the cost of an animal life, then I am all for that. At the time the arguments were occurring over this issue, that could have been (and in my opinion was) a valid statement. I don't believe that there's enough of a human presence left in New Orleans that requires saving for us to be able to ignore animals any longer.

[Killer Kitten]

Originally posted by Ebondale
Animals have been walking around the planet carelessly for millions of years despite natural disasters. One hurricane isn't going to cause any great hardship to the poor, unfortunate animals of New Orleans.

We could do a test. Lock you in a jail cell, then flood the cell block to a depth that is over your head, forcing you to tread water for 7 hours or drown. Let us know how much of a hardship that is for you. I myself think it would be a sorry, miserable way to die and I'm glad those animals were spared that fate. Their new owners are probably glad, too.

For my part, I love animals and my hurricaine Katrina check went to North Shore Animal League America. I was glad to get this email showing me exactly what they did with my money.

Writing a check for NSAL did not stop me from running to Sam's Club and dropping off a couple of cases of water and soap at the donation point. Why do you insist upon equating caring for the animals in New Orleans to wishing death upon the human survivors?

[HarmNone]

Life is life. I figure I'll do what I can for both the humans and the animals. I don't make the distinction that one is better, or more deserving, than another. :shrug:

I donated 25 cents to the hurricane fund. Don't plan on donating anymore and I definately don't plan on housing any families. I do hope everyone gets all the help they can get from the other generous people out there, but unfortunately, my finances are strapped for a lil bit.

Anyway.. In a disaster situation, I'm doing everything in my power to take Mr. Rex and Miss Daisy with me. If it will cause me physical pain or harm, I'd still do it. I must admit that I would not throw my life away needlessly. If there is absolutely 0 that I could do, then I'd save myself.

If it meant packing two days less of food and water and taking Mr. Rex and Miss Daisy, well then, I'm sure I can go hungry for those days.. Same as some of the people I saw on the relief videos.

- Arkans

[kranfer]

I was gonna donate some bird cages or take in homeless birds... but no idea who to contact... saw some posts on people's LiveJournals about it... But no idea what to believe

[Doyle Hargraves]

Originally posted by Ebondale
Animals have been walking around the planet carelessly for millions of years despite natural disasters. One hurricane isn't going to cause any great hardship to the poor, unfortunate animals of New Orleans.

Yeah, because domesticated animals like dogs and cats are just as capable of taking care of themselves as dinosaurs and alligators.

Idiot.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Doyle Hargraves

Originally posted by Ebondale
Animals have been walking around the planet carelessly for millions of years despite natural disasters. One hurricane isn't going to cause any great hardship to the poor, unfortunate animals of New Orleans.

Yeah, because domesticated animals like dogs and cats are just as capable of taking care of themselves as dinosaurs and alligators.

Idiot.

Not to mention that the encroachment of man on the environment has made survival more difficult for many species. Without man's intervention, those animals in New Orleans would not be living in a city that was, basically, a bowl waiting to fill up with filthy water...a bowl out of which neither they, nor some humans, could escape.

[Jadewolff]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Life is life. I figure I'll do what I can for both the humans and the animals. I don't make the distinction that one is better, or more deserving, than another. :shrug:

So well said. :clap: