Redux

[Pops]

Maybe not the place, but, if nothing else, I know Stunseed will prolly see this :cool:

How is redux calculated?

As always, thank you in advance :cool: Pops :cool:

[Latrinsorm]

Redux is calculated by taking your actual DF, subtracting it from the standard DF, and dividing by the standard DF. So if you're being hit by a falchion on skin and your DF is .400, you would have (.450-.400)/(.450) = 11.1% redux.

It is not possible to calculate redux without getting hit. Some guy on the official boards was working on it once (Icewhite or something) but it didn't work out.

[Stunseed]

Latrinsorm wins.

Also, if you post snippets, folks here will calculate redux. Or if you want a decent calculator, www.xygon.net has one.

[Bobmuhthol]

Or, for the more independent user, I wrote one that simply gives redux by calculating from a given endroll, DF, and raw damage. Something about having to select all the shit in Xygon's calculator makes me want to punch him for making it, even though it's a decent script.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Something about having to select all the shit in Xygon's calculator makes me want to punch him for making itThat helpful bastard. :grr:

[Pops]

Ok..let a critter hit my ranger for damage (rare event!)....

A kiramon defender hisses sharply! Its long, piercing tongue comes shooting out at you...
A kiramon defender thrusts with its long tongue at you!
AS: +246 vs DS: +250 with AvD: +31 + d100 roll: +77 = +104
... and hits for 1 point of damage!
Thrust slides along the back.
Cuts a nagging itch.
CS: +138 - TD: +117 + CvA: -7 + d100: +18 == +32
Warded off!
>
You feel fully energetic again.
>
A kiramon defender charges at you!
AS: +256 vs DS: +250 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +88 = +127
... and hits for 4 points of damage!
You feel a slight twitching in your weapon arm.

White-blue bolts of electrical energy radiate outward from the defender!

... 5 points of damage!
Light shock to back. That stings!

How is my Redux looking? Thanks, much... :cool: Pops :cool:

[Bobmuhthol]

You've got to be kidding.

[Drew]

Have a player hit you, hard, with a weapon, preferably a battle axe, several times, if you want an accurate redux number.

[Stunseed]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
You've got to be kidding.

Agreed. Get actually hit, and hard, with a real weapon.

Damn you Drew!

[Edited on 8-25-2005 by Stunseed]

[Pops]

OK...will do. And, thanks to all that have so far replied!

[Stunseed]

If you're in the Landing, I'll come hit you a few times.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Stunseed

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
You've got to be kidding.

Agreed. Get actually hit, and hard, with a real weapon.

Damn you Drew!

[Edited on 8-25-2005 by Stunseed]


Haha I win again.


Got nothing else to do in the hurricane.

[Stunseed]

Bah, you mean the wee wind and spitting rain?

[Pops]

Not in the landings! Ok, how are these?

Your wife swings a gold-veined vultite takouba at you!
AS: +281 vs DS: +213 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +15 = +118
... and hits for 4 points of damage!
Glancing blow to your back.
That could have been worse.
>
Your Wife swings a gold-veined vultite takouba at you!
AS: +281 vs DS: +213 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +91 = +194
... and hits for 22 points of damage!
Quick slash to your upper left arm!
Just a nick.
>
Your Wife swings a gold-veined vultite takouba at you!
AS: +281 vs DS: +208 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +42 = +150
... and hits for 11 points of damage!
Broken finger on your left hand!

[Bobmuhthol]

Still terrible. The second is the best of the three bad hits.

I don't know if that's skin, reinforced leather, or augmented breastplate you're wearing.

[Pops]

wearing chain (torso/arm) mail..no shield

[Edited on 8-25-2005 by Pops]

[Bobmuhthol]

Er, yeah, I meant augmented chain, not BP.

Your redux clocks in at 19.1489% on the second hit. I have to warn you, though, it's probably wildly inaccurate. Get a warrior to take off a limb with a battle axe while you're wearing full plate.

[Pops]

Bobmuhthol..thanks. Since I am following the "Stunseed Redux Plan For Dummies" training program, I expected it to be much higher. When I get spanked for some real damage, I'll try this again.

Thanks.... :cool: Pops :cool:

[Stunseed]

I'll post some snippets in a bit.

[Axhinde]

Dont want to make a new topic for this, but can anyone help figure out this redux?

These hits are wearing plate.

Alfue swings a blackened vultite handaxe at you!
AS: +303 vs DS: +86 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +67 = +325
... and hits for 48 points of damage!
Left kneecap smashed into pulp.
You are stunned for 3 rounds!
The guiding force leaves Alfue.


Alfue swings a blackened vultite handaxe at you!
AS: +303 vs DS: +52 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +69 = +361
... and hits for 52 points of damage!
Solid blow gouges a chunk out of your left leg.
You are stunned for 1 rounds!
The guiding force leaves Alfue.



Alfue swings a blackened vultite handaxe at you!
AS: +388 vs DS: +59 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +27 = +397
... and hits for 58 points of damage!
Solid blow gouges a chunk out of your left leg.
You are stunned for 1 rounds!
The guiding force leaves Alfue.


He swears he wasn't ambushing, was aiming for the head anyways but was just 'attacking'. What do you think?

[peam]

'bout 4.

[Gigantuous]

Originally posted by Axhinde
Dont want to make a new topic for this, but can anyone help figure out this redux?

These hits are wearing plate.

Alfue swings a blackened vultite handaxe at you!
AS: +303 vs DS: +86 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +67 = +325
... and hits for 48 points of damage!
Left kneecap smashed into pulp.
You are stunned for 3 rounds!
The guiding force leaves Alfue.


Alfue swings a blackened vultite handaxe at you!
AS: +303 vs DS: +52 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +69 = +361
... and hits for 52 points of damage!
Solid blow gouges a chunk out of your left leg.
You are stunned for 1 rounds!
The guiding force leaves Alfue.



Alfue swings a blackened vultite handaxe at you!
AS: +388 vs DS: +59 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +27 = +397
... and hits for 58 points of damage!
Solid blow gouges a chunk out of your left leg.
You are stunned for 1 rounds!
The guiding force leaves Alfue.


He swears he wasn't ambushing, was aiming for the head anyways but was just 'attacking'. What do you think?

34.39% on the first shot
Can't find the crit description on the second one.
Same for the third, can't find the crit.

[Alfster]

Yeah, weird I hit the left leg three times.

And apparently my weapon gives nifty crits because no one knows what the hell it is.

[Axhinde]

Yeah, second and third hits were the exact same message. Weird, since all 3 attacks hit the same leg.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<34.39%>>

I get 34.3915!!

[Latrinsorm]

Not all messages are the same from a first person and third person view. Example: a blow to the head that causes a target's ears to ring is a blow to your head that makes a buzzing fill your ears or something like that.

I can't download QRS right now, so I don't have any access to the third person crit tables, but I bet it's something along the lines of "Solid blow to the left leg!" or "You gouged a chunk out of x's left leg!". If t3h Alfster could post the hits from his perspective, that would help narrow it down.

[Alfster]

You swing a blackened vultite handaxe at Axhinde!
AS: +388 vs DS: +59 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +27 = +397
... and hit for 58 points of damage!
You ripped a chunk out of Axhinde's left leg with that one.
He is stunned!
The guiding force leaves you.


Somehow, I can't find the log for the other two swings

[Latrinsorm]

Yeah, that'll be on the crit tables though. I will it.

[Stunseed]

I promised a snippet, so be it..

Railien swings a driftwood hafted vultite handaxe at you!
AS: +454 vs DS: +133 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +97 = +451
... and hits for 96 points of damage!
Powerful slash leaves you without a right leg!
You are stunned for 12 rounds!

Calculated Damage is 351 x 0.24 = 84.24
Crit damage is 45
Taken / Calculated = Redux Damage 51 / 84.24 = 0.6054
Your Redux is approximately: 39.46%

[Bobmuhthol]

I wonder which is more accurate: Xygon's method of dividing raw damage by calculated damage, or my method of dividing calculated DF by known DF.

They seem to go hand-in-hand but I think the numbers would be slightly different.

[Stunseed]

With your calculator program, yours would prolly be slightly more accurate. However, I continue to use Xygon's for convience and quick results. I've always said Xygon's isn't 100% accurate, but it's close enough for me.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<However, I continue to use Xygon's for convience and quick results.>>

Heh, I don't understand how people can give this answer. I use my own calculator because I find it way more convenient and quick than Xygon's.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Stunseed
I promised a snippet, so be it..

Railien swings a driftwood hafted vultite handaxe at you!
AS: +454 vs DS: +133 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +97 = +451
... and hits for 96 points of damage!
Powerful slash leaves you without a right leg!
You are stunned for 12 rounds!

Calculated Damage is 351 x 0.24 = 84.24
Crit damage is 45
Taken / Calculated = Redux Damage 51 / 84.24 = 0.6054
Your Redux is approximately: 39.46%


That's giving me a real hard on.



Did I tell you I'm putting Chiv in full plate?

[Axhinde]

Popping wood over redux is a bad sign. A bad sign indeed.

[Drew]

Haha, when your character has 0% in his mid 40s you start getting jealous :)

[Artha]

I wonder which is more accurate: Xygon's method of dividing raw damage by calculated damage, or my method of dividing calculated DF by known DF.

They seem to go hand-in-hand but I think the numbers would be slightly different.

DF has more decimal places, and is thus more accurate.

[Axhinde]

Originally posted by Drew
Haha, when your character has 0% in his mid 40s you start getting jealous :)

Just how much of a magical Ranger is Chiv?

Also, bonerdux is still a bad sign.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Axhinde
Just how much of a magical Ranger is Chiv?

Chivalrous (at level 43), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 111 27
Combat Maneuvers...................| 105 25
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 190 90
Ambush.............................| 143 43
Physical Fitness...................| 122 31
Dodging............................| 10 2
Magic Item Use.....................| 35 7
Harness Power......................| 143 43
Spirit Mana Control................| 5 1
Survival...........................| 124 32
Stalking and Hiding................| 186 86
Perception.........................| 160 60
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 54 11
First Aid..........................| 62 13

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 17

Spell Lists
Ranger.............................| 40


Although at level 50 he'll be up to 1x in PF and at level 55 he'll be .75x in both dodge and CM. So he's getting less magical by the level.

[Stunseed]

< Did I tell you I'm putting Chiv in full plate? >

You didn't. Throwing your lot in with Turinrond, eh? Good luck in that respect, it's a fun way to go.

< I use my own calculator because I find it way more convenient and quick than Xygon's. >

If I had it on my computer, I'd prolly use it. But as you can tell, I'm on an anti-download binge right now. Hence why I'm not on Psinet and such.

As far as those who are U2U'ing me on how I've got so much, it's because of all the physical skills Stun trains in. 1.25x in PF helps, too.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Stunseed

You didn't. Throwing your lot in with Turinrond, eh? Good luck in that respect, it's a fun way to go.



Yeah I want to talk to him.

[Stunseed]

Bumped for the following update.

Jemiquist thrusts with a sonic pike at you!
AS: +289 vs DS: +181 with AvD: +45 + d100 roll: +90 = +243
... and hits for 59 points of damage!
Crushing blow crumples your nose!
You are stunned for 4 rounds!

** As you are hit, Jemiquist's pike unleashes a blast of sonic energy! **
... 5 points of damage!
Blow grazes your right arm lightly.

Calculated Damage is 143 x 0.475 = 67.93
Crit damage is 15
Taken / Calculated = Redux Damage 38 / 67.93 = 0.5594
Your Redux is approximately: 44.06%

I win.

[Drew]

[calcredux: Average redux is 3.0840%]


PWN!