Training opinions

[Krayton]

So Krayton turned 50 a few days ago and I was thinking about changing some things about how I train him. I love to hunt, pick, and occasionally pick some pockets.

Swinging 4x, his base AS is 278. Personally, I think that is sort of weak, which is why I'm thinkin about dropping picking pockets and picking up some more physical skills. Here's his skills, any opinions on the matter would be helpful.

Krayton (at level 50), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 152 52
Shield Use.........................| 152 52
Combat Maneuvers...................| 178 78
Edged Weapons......................| 204 104
Ambush.............................| 204 104
Physical Fitness...................| 178 78
Dodging............................| 204 104
Harness Power......................| 10 2
Disarming Traps....................| 204 104
Picking Locks......................| 204 104
Stalking and Hiding................| 204 104
Perception.........................| 178 78
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 90 20
Pickpocketing......................| 204 104

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4

[Jolena]

Honestly the only thing I could think of would be to double combat maneuvers for some AS boosts. Other then that, it's pretty good to me for what you want.

[Gan]

Here's my rogue's stats, he's designed to be a max picker and yet a strong hunter. His AS is lower than it could be, because his TP's are set for max stats so his STR stat is 77 at level 74. I've been hunting the Mahaagra's tower since 68 and will probably be there until I'm confident enough that his hiding skill can allow him to survive the aquaducts and the gremlins.

Ganalon (at level 74), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 180 80
Shield Use.........................| 170 70
Combat Maneuvers...................| 175 75
Edged Weapons......................| 252 152
Ambush.............................| 245 145
Physical Fitness...................| 164 64
Dodging............................| 150 50
Arcane Symbols.....................| 35 7
Magic Item Use.....................| 50 10
Harness Power......................| 40 8
Disarming Traps....................| 328 228
Picking Locks......................| 327 227
Stalking and Hiding................| 322 222
Perception.........................| 327 227
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30
Pickpocketing......................| 252 152

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4

Most difficult lock picked: -1110
Most difficult trap disarmed: -440

Hope this helps.

[Brattt8525]

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 156 56
Shield Use.........................| 161 61
Combat Maneuvers...................| 163 63
Edged Weapons......................| 224 124
Ambush.............................| 193 93
Physical Fitness...................| 161 61
Dodging............................| 209 109
Arcane Symbols.....................| 58 12
Magic Item Use.....................| 58 12
Disarming Traps....................| 286 186
Picking Locks......................| 286 186
Stalking and Hiding................| 226 126
Perception.........................| 220 120
Climbing...........................| 102 24
Swimming...........................| 70 15
Pickpocketing......................| 224 124

I have up to 407 as far as spells.

Her AS is 371 she is level 60. Currently I have her hunting pyros in Teras and she is having little to no problems there. The only time she gets hurt is from the occasional shard from the clubs. She picks above her head easily.

[Edited on 8-19-2005 by Brattt8525]

edited to fix 47 to 407 and fix a typo

[Edited on 8-19-2005 by Brattt8525]

[Jolena]

Jolena (at level 55), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 120 30
Shield Use.........................| 172 72
Combat Maneuvers...................| 212 112
Edged Weapons......................| 214 114
Ambush.............................| 212 112
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 130 35
Physical Fitness...................| 168 68
Dodging............................| 212 112
Arcane Symbols.....................| 105 25
Magic Item Use.....................| 105 25
Harness Power......................| 10 2
Survival...........................| 114 28
Stalking and Hiding................| 212 112
Perception.........................| 212 112
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30
First Aid..........................| 114 28

377 AS with just COL signs and surge of strength up. 7x weapon. Add in her being in Stun's group (who has cman's and sidebyside specifically) and some strength, and she's at about 408 AS.

[Krayton]

Thanks for the replies... Jolena, I would love to have your training but I don't think I could do without picking and disarming...

I was also thinking about resigning from Voln and joining CoL... any opinions on that?

[Gan]

Unless your RP requires being in voln, I see no mechanical benefit for being in voln unless you're going to take up brawling.

Being a rogue means you're going to get hit, and bleed, and you're going to need brute strength. All these needs can be met with COL. And since Voln lost dreaming, there really is no mechanical benefit to being a member unless you brawl or have a strong use for symbol of preservation or symbol of return.

[Jolena]

:yeahthat:

[Krayton]

I use preservation only on myself if I die. I always have a flask or two on me for others. I use return once in a while... I am hesitant on joining CoL because I am too lazy to go to Solhaven and go through the steps of mastering it... Skins, buying stupid shit from the general store, armory, etc. A hassle if you ask me. But I guess it would be worth it once I am mastered.

[Jolena]

Honestly, mastering COL is the easiest of the two societies. It's tedious but in the long run, it's worth it. You don't have to use favor to get your benefits, although you will need around 14 mana and some spirit points to play with. And you get a 35 boost to AS, a 35 boost to DS, you can sign of darkness out of most areas, you can staunch your own bleeding, do a sign of healing in extreme circumstances, boost your TD and even get an extra 50 boost to your AS with madness. Only set back is not being able to speak of it out loud and making sure you don't lose too much spirit in front of non-col members.

[Gridlock]

It was really easy till they moved it to solhven and made you get crap from around the landing.

[Gan]

5 days and you can master COL with ease. Try and do that with Voln. I've seen some folks master COL in 3 days, but that requires a lot of condensed keyboard time.

[Alfster]

For my rogue, I had to sacrifice some things in order to get my armor up to a metal breastplate at 50. The only thing that I can see is dropping your PF down to 1x and using whatever points you have for upping your CM, as 1x PF is going to give you plenty of redux.

COL will help a lot too, I think that's an added +35 to your AS.

[Alfster]

Armor Use..........................| 180 80
Shield Use.........................| 153 53
Combat Maneuvers...................| 153 53
Edged Weapons......................| 206 106
Ambush.............................| 190 90
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 120 30
Physical Fitness...................| 153 53
Dodging............................| 206 106
Arcane Symbols.....................| 90 20
Magic Item Use.....................| 70 15
Harness Power......................| 20 4
Disarming Traps....................| 206 106
Picking Locks......................| 206 106
Stalking and Hiding................| 206 106
Perception.........................| 206 106
Climbing...........................| 105 25
Swimming...........................| 90 20
Pickpocketing......................| 206 106

[Jolena]

Originally posted by Alfster
For my rogue, I had to sacrifice some things in order to get my armor up to a metal breastplate at 50. The only thing that I can see is dropping your PF down to 1x and using whatever points you have for upping your CM, as 1x PF is going to give you plenty of redux.

COL will help a lot too, I think that's an added +35 to your AS.


Normally I would have agreed with you on the PF at 1x, however I recently started getting Jo up to 1.5x in PF and my dux has raised enough that I find it to be worth the extra TP's. If you are going for dux, I'd make sure you have at least 1.5x PF and add in the open points you have from dropping pick pocketing to Combat Maneuvers. You have 104 ranks now in Pick pocketing, that's more then enough points to throw some extra into CM's and try to get it to double. I'd also recommend getting some more MIU and Arcane skills eventually so that you have that benefit for using spells in OTF later on. It's the cheapest route for a rogue and serves dual purposes.

[StrayRogue]

Heh, at 56, my AS is 386. I don't have cman Surge either. I'd suggest you 2x CM, pick up wspec, COL, and Surge for that extra boost.

[Jolena]

Ooo, catching up to you Stay! :D

[Remnar]

With my rogue at 51, my swing is 388 (CoL, surge, wspec, white crystal, pure potion, and 4x weapon). If I hunt with my rogue's wife, a bardess, I'm breaking 400+ with Kai's. My strength stat isn't maxed yet, (6 more levels to go) and soon to have a 7x axe. So I'll swing over 400 solo soon enough. Currently hunting blighted forest with no difficulties.

Here's my rogue's training:
2x edge
2x cm
2x ambush
2x hiding
2x dodge
2x picklock
2x disarm
1.5x pt
1x shield
40 armor (wearing +22 torso chain, will up to 80 for mbp in the future)
30 climb
20 swim
15 arcane
1 hp (for CoL)
401-404 spells

[hectomaner]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Heh, at 56, my AS is 386. I don't have cman Surge either. I'd suggest you 2x CM, pick up wspec, COL, and Surge for that extra boost.

yeah i'm at 369 at 49 with col, 2x cm, and surge, and wspec with 4x weapon

[Krayton]

So, I went through with it... just need to join CoL now, or at a later time. Here it is....

Krayton (at level 50), your base skill bonuses, ranks and goals are:
Skill Name | Actual Actual
| Bonus Ranks Goals In-Game Time to Goal
Armor Use..........................| 152 52 52
Shield Use.........................| 152 52 52
Combat Maneuvers...................| 181 81 91 ASAP (will rise when points are available)
Edged Weapons......................| 204 104 104
Ambush.............................| 204 104 104
Physical Fitness...................| 178 78 78
Dodging............................| 204 104 104
Harness Power......................| 10 2 2
Disarming Traps....................| 204 104 104
Picking Locks......................| 204 104 104
Stalking and Hiding................| 204 104 104
Perception.........................| 178 78 78
Climbing...........................| 90 20 20
Swimming...........................| 90 20 20
Pickpocketing......................| 204 104 0 25 days, 5 hours, 51 minutes

I also had to drop cutthroat from my cman list to pick up wspec.

Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Shadow Mastery smastery 5
Specialization I wspec1 1
Surge of Strength surge 5

Available Combat Maneuver Training Points: 2
Unlearning Combat Maneuver Training Points: 12
Estimated time until next point conversion: 2 hours, 38 minutes
Number of days remaining in your current 30-day unlearning cycle: 29 days

[Alfster]

Pickpocketing......................| 204 104 0 25 days, 5 hours, 51 minutes

now why would you drop that?

[Drew]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Heh, at 56, my AS is 386. I don't have cman Surge either. I'd suggest you 2x CM, pick up wspec, COL, and Surge for that extra boost.


At 43 Chiv is doing 388 exactly, self cast with symbol of courage. Rogues suck :smilegrin:

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Drew

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Heh, at 56, my AS is 386. I don't have cman Surge either. I'd suggest you 2x CM, pick up wspec, COL, and Surge for that extra boost.


At 43 Chiv is doing 388 exactly, self cast with symbol of courage. Rogues suck :smilegrin:

Selfcast. Give me three AS boosting spells then we'll talk.

[Drew]

Haha yep, but I've got the mana to do it :smilegrin:

[AnticorRifling]

(at level 91), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 180 80
Shield Use.........................| 193 93
Combat Maneuvers...................| 286 186
Edged Weapons......................| 286 186
Ambush.............................| 286 186
Physical Fitness...................| 193 93
Dodging............................| 286 186
Arcane Symbols.....................| 105 25
Magic Item Use.....................| 10 2
Harness Power......................| 30 6
Disarming Traps....................| 303 203
Picking Locks......................| 373 273
Stalking and Hiding................| 286 186
Perception.........................| 286 186
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4

AS is 494 with a 4x. Working on getting MIU and disarm up.

[Krayton]

Originally posted by Alfster
Pickpocketing......................| 204 104 0 25 days, 5 hours, 51 minutes

now why would you drop that?

I used it all the time in the landing, but since I moved to the nations, I only use it once in a while, so I kinda thought of it as a waste. Plus, I could make a lot more hunting than stealing any day. I know its not a whole lot, but I make an average of 45k a hunt compared to 10-15k stealing in the park for an hour. I have to admit though, stealing is fun.

[Alfster]

Hehe, means more for me with you dropping it!

[Stunseed]

You can retire him and quit GS.

[Vitruvian]

No!

[StrayRogue]

Talk about a boring, cookie cutter training scheme. I'd do as Stunseed suggests.