The search for ET...ufo's etc.

[Jenisi]

So I got in an argument with a friend the other day about this. I know it's a fun idea to think that ufo's have visited our planet and all that jazz. But when it comes down to it... The chances of it are pretty fucking impossible. The closest star first off is 4.2 light years away... In 1990... NASA's voyager probe I looked back on the solar system from about 3.7 billion miles out from our sun.... and it snaped a final few dozen pictures before it crossed into interstellar space. In 39 of the snapshots show six of the solar systems planets.... Venus, earth, jupiter, saturn, uranus and neptune... Mercury even then was lost in the glare of the sun... Mars couldn't even be positively idetentified... and pluto (smaller then our moon) was too dim for voyager's camera to distinguish... And shockingly earth only appeared as a pinprick of reflected sunlight offering no hint that it's home to more then 6 billion people and the only known biosphere in the solar system-or anywhere else for this matter. When you think about this ... from these photograph... kinda forces you to realize the scale of the solar system, the vast distances between it's planets and yada yada ya. If there is life elsewhere (which I'm not saying that there isn't, or isn't likely) I just don't think it's visited our planet.

[Bobmuhthol]

The whole thing is that they're far more advanced than us, and therefore are able to and have done such.

I personally don't think we've been visited by aliens either. Fine and dandy. I don't think that the "human race can't handle it" or "our evil nuclear weapons will pwn aliens and they are scared', but the fact that we are out somewhere in the rim of it all and no one gives a fuck.

Anyway, light years a long fucking time... To us and light. Does that mean that the speed of light is the fastest way to travel? Does that mean Einstein's theory of relatvity is the what really happens and time fucks up when people go the speed of light? Do we REALLY know what happens when we go into black holes? Do worm holes exist? Is it possible to "bend space" or perhaps create a faster way of travelling than "light speed"? Who knows? Our space exploration and technology is so underfunded (and rightfully so.. we have no real hunches to push us ahead) that we won't know for a while.

- Arkans

[Farquar]

Interesting argument.

Interstellar travel represents a HUGE advancement over our current technology. One could only assume that a civilization with that capability would have similarly advanced scanning processes. Even our scanning capabilities have vastly increased since the voyager was built.

[Volstock]

DUDE alien hella did visit us...I mean how else would you explain Denis Rodman...that Numa Numa dude and man seriously you CANNOT forget about ROBEEEN...cause I'm pretty damn sure she aint from earth

[Jenisi]

Eh whether they find us or not... To get here? Matter can't go the speed of light... because it would take an infinate amount of energy to make matter reach the speed of light. And unless these things could live for um. A long ass time. And nothing kill them on the way here and them to be willing to risk it... Eh. No.

[Farquar]

Wormholes seem as good an idea as any.

[Bobmuhthol]

Think of a wormhole as a teleport hack in Counter-Strike. Entering the wormhole brings you from coordinates (0,0,0), the origin of the universe, to (99999999,99999999,99999999), the location of Earth instantly.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Jenisi
Eh whether they find us or not... To get here? Matter can't go the speed of light... because it would take an infinate amount of energy to make matter reach the speed of light. And unless these things could live for um. A long ass time. And nothing kill them on the way here and them to be willing to risk it... Eh. No.

Einstein's theory only says that matter can not travel at the speed of light. It says nothing about faster than it. In fact, if I recall correctly, mathematics has 'proven' the existence of the tachyon which is a particle of matter that exists only above the light barrier.

Proven means that the same equations that work for relativity also state that this particle exists. To my knowledge, it has not yet been found. That's not surprising since any evidence of it's existence would occur before its generation given that it's supposed to travel backwards in time.

Raven

edited to change quark to tachyon

[Edited on 8-16-2005 by Ravenstorm]

[Showal]

I look at the existance of aliens as this:

If space is infinite and expanding, more galaxies are being created. Using just the chances of another planet having the exact same conditions as earth and taking into consideration that there are an infinite amount of chances for such a planet to exist, there must be another planet or will be, that supports life. Now the conditions to support life are a bit more flexible than needing to match earth's conditions exactly. Once again, given an infinite amount of chances due to space being infinite, there are more than likely another species of intelligent life out there somewhere. They probably look like Arkans (Powder).

[Jenisi]

To go faster then the speed of light you'd have to cross the speed of light to get faster then it. You can't hop and skip speeds.

[Numbers]

Originally posted by Jenisi
Eh whether they find us or not... To get here? Matter can't go the speed of light... because it would take an infinate amount of energy to make matter reach the speed of light. And unless these things could live for um. A long ass time. And nothing kill them on the way here and them to be willing to risk it... Eh. No.

And a few hundred years ago mankind was convinced the world was flat.

Einstein was a smart dude way ahead of his time, but all of his theories are just theories.

Chances are that, far in the future, if we don't blow eachother up, we'll eventually find a way to go faster than the speed of light.

There's definitely lots of other life out there, but I doubt that they've ever visited earth, but you never know.

[Farquar]

Aliens have not only visited Earth, but were likely involed in some portion of its development. I also think that much of the bible, as well as other religous texts, refer to our alien creators. Take for example Genesis, where "god" (i.e. alien overlords), create a man, the prototype man, Adam. Then, finding him satisfactory, they take a piece from his rib and make Eve. Sounds a lot like bioengineering to me.

When "god" creates "light" and the mountains, seas, etc? Terraforming, of course.

Parts of the bible also refer to spaceship type objects, dinosaurs, and other oddities.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Jenisi
To go faster then the speed of light you'd have to cross the speed of light to get faster then it. You can't hop and skip speeds.

That we know how to do. Yet. Maybe ever. Maybe not till someone else comes along with a theory that expands on what Einstein did. Maybe the mythical Unified Field Theory will answer that question. Who knows.

Raven

[Jenisi]

Yeah god didn't need to create light. First off light came before the earth. The sun was formed way before the earth. Let alone when the earth could support life.

[Farquar]

Originally posted by Jenisi
Yeah god didn't need to create light. First off light came before the earth. The sun was formed way before the earth. Let alone when the earth could support life.

Im thinking that the "light creation" passage in the bible refers to the alien creators altering the Earth's atmosphere to allow more sunlight to penetrate it, giving their pet project a better shot at survival.

[Jenisi]

Right.

[Apotheosis]

IF aliens exist, why do we assume that they'd have more advanced civilizations than us? I mean, they could be in a fricking neolithic period, for all we know.

[HarmNone]

If matter has its counterpart in antimatter, does our universe have its counterpart in an antiuniverse? It gives one pause to consider the old mirror world theories of the science fiction writers.

[Kuyuk]

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/teleport.html

Someone already knows how to teleport.


K.

Aliens that look like me? Nice! They forgo all the bullshit and shop all day. Awesome. Beam me up, Scotty!

- Arkans

[Showal]

<<To go faster then the speed of light you'd have to cross the speed of light to get faster then it. You can't hop and skip speeds. >>

Unless of course, you were going faster than the speed of light at the beginning of time.

<<Aliens that look like me? Nice! They forgo all the bullshit and shop all day. Awesome. Beam me up, Scotty!

- Arkans>>

No it's not. It's gross. They're all pale and skinny. They look like Ethiopians covered in snow.

We consider them more advanced, Yswithe, because what's the point in thinking about aliens if they can't pwn us in every way and we can't make computer games and movies about them?

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Arkans
Does that mean Einstein's theory of relatvity is the what really happens and time fucks up when people go the speed of light?Time "fucks up" whenever anything moves anywhere at any speed. We don't notice it because we're not sharp enough to notice individual nanoseconds. Time dilation is pretty solid.

I think it's a mistake to assume that alien life is at all like us. To even assume they're made of matter is (IMO) flawed.

[Apotheosis]

isn't this the type of conversation people have after smoking too much reefer?

[Doyle Hargraves]

Weren't old caveman drawings of aliens and spaceships and all that discovered somewhere a while back? I don't remember where or when, I just remember seeing something like that on the Discovery Channel or one of those channels.

I'm sure there are alien races that are hundreds, even thousands of years ahead of us, technologically. There are probably some that are way behind us too.

Judging by the massive technological leaps our planet has made in just the past 100 years, I don't really see it as far fetched that a race hundreds or thousands of years ahead of us can travel light years in a reasonable amount of time.

If that much time goes by on our planet and we still haven't figured it out, then we suck really bad.

A human from a few hundred or thousand years ago would think he was another planet if he saw our world today and the technology we have.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Yswithe
isn't this the type of conversation people have after smoking too much reefer? You have to tell us if you're a cop. :hippie:

[Neildo]

Old news, but here's our first basic steps of achieving teleportation.

Teleportation breakthrough made:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3811785.stm

- N