Pepper Sprayed At the Drive In

[Leetahkin]

Originally posted by Brattt8525
There is a point, why didn't the manager take the girl off the register and into his office along with the cop? Sure would have been a smart business type thing to do instead of having trash mouth yelling and super cop getting in her face.

Yep, I mentioned this a few pages back.
The manager neglected his responsibility to the store.

[Divinity]

Firstly, for those that didn't hear it or see the video (Latrin), it was placed in Idaho, if I heard it correctly.

The video skipped, IMO, because this was shown on a t.v. show. I recognize the voice to be from Maximum Exposure. They show stupid stuff like this happening all the time. These were just the highlights. Again, explains the skipping of the video.

Then there is the matter of her age, yeah, she's 17. Doesn't mean you can't arrest someone that did something wrong because she's a minor. I really don't understand where people are going with that.

As for the minimum age of working in a fast food place or any other place.. my first job was at 14. Doesn't mean that I know responsibility and have my head all put together at that age. So, I really don't see how age has anything to do with this situation at all. I know plenty of people that act like complete dumbfucks and immature in most situations, and my ten year old sister has more common sense then these said people at age 30.

As for checking the register keys that she punched, it would show that she did the transaction as she claimed, but the register could have still been off count.

Likewise, the Manager did look at the register and said she didn't have a $20. Ok, but doesn't mean she didn't pocket it or in somehow short changed the drawer in some other way or the officer for that matter. No way of knowing either way because, as was said before, the video isn't complete.

Another point: He didn't pull her hair. Her head would have jerked back in some way. I didn't see that happening. Instead, I saw him remove the headset and put it down. To me, when someone is yanking something off my head, that would make me immediately defensive too.

Both her tone and his were excessive. Her language was very much out of line. However, Officers see a whole lot of different types of people each day. They have to deal with the people that use swear words, talk ghetto, who are basically "ghettofied" and all the above. Hopefully you can see where I'm going with this. Officers have training for these type of things. At least in Oregon they do. How to handle people, different tactics to use. Negotiating your body language and tone and how to assess others. Obviously, from what I've seen some other say, was completely forgotten.

It was a shitty situation for her, and for him. I do think he was using his badge to impress his anger over the situation. I agree with Siren when it was said that he should have radioed for an impartial officer to come to the scene. The Officer that was in the situation to begin with should have asked that the till be removed and taken to the Manager's office, as well as the girl until an impartial unit arrived to investigate further.

If there was such a theft and all. ::shrugs::

Not for nothing, but yes there was this video, but there are videos placed all over behind the counter. Especially outside of the drive thru areas and right over the window. That could have been used too, to determine the amount he gave her.

Just my thoughts. ;)

Originally posted by Hulkein

Originally posted by Nobody Cares
If you actually think she is smart enough to pull something like that off, with a camera watching her, you're deluded.

What are you racist?


I tried not to say that :)

[Hulkein]

<< Firstly, for those that didn't hear it or see the video (Latrin), it was placed in Idaho, if I heard it correctly. >>

Dayton, Ohio. (At least I read somewhere else)

[Leetahkin]

Originally posted by Hulkein

Originally posted by Nobody Cares
If you actually think she is smart enough to pull something like that off, with a camera watching her, you're deluded.

What are you racist?


She doesn't have the intelligence to speak respectfully and calmly when accused; she wouldn't have the intelligence to pull of what you said above.

I disagree. Many people know how to rip someone off but have no clue on how to converse in certain situations.


Not withstanding the fact that the camera showed nothing about her pocketing/exchanging any money in her till.

That is hindsight. At the time no one saw the tape.

How is that sentence being racist? It is an observation of the tape as to how she reacted throughout the whole situation. I would have said the same thing if it was a white girl (or any race) acting the same.

It wouldn't have been much of a hindsight if the manager had taken his thumb out of his ass and played a role in it.

[Divinity]

Originally posted by Hulkein
<< Firstly, for those that didn't hear it or see the video (Latrin), it was placed in Idaho, if I heard it correctly. >>

Dayton, Ohio. (At least I read somewhere else)

Ahh okay. I thought I heard Idaho from the video. Only watched it once and didn't do any actual checking into it.

The above was my first impression post. :)

Thanks for the clarification.

[Divinity]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
It was Dayton, Ohio, not Idaho. :P

Blah blah blah. :P

[DeV]

Originally posted by Dave

Originally posted by DeV

Originally posted by Dave
See that took me all of 30 seconds to figure out how I would have done it. And minus video/visual proof gotten away with it no problem Math lesson or conspiracy theory?

Counting the drawer would have been the primary option in this case.

which could have easily been circumvented as I was kind enough to show you.

Video proof on the other hand, would have been much more useful.
In the end its ALL THE MANAGERS FAULT!!11 The MAN trying to bring the people down. He knew at the time he could have shown the video but NOOO he wanted to see her arrested and laughed about it.
That my dear is more reminiscent of one of the conspiracy theories that are prevalent on the boards here. :weird: Your dear. Please refrain.

I don't think it could have been easily circumvented. Wouldn't you think that at least she would be aware of the cameras on her, even if the cop wasn't at the time.

Everyone involved in this situation was unethical, unprofessional, and just plain moronic. A whole lot of stupid going around from the girl, her manager, and the cop. All in equal doses.

[CrystalTears]

Damn you're fast. I saw later that Hulkein mentioned it, so I deleted it. Sheesh. :P yourself

[OreoElf]

Originally posted by Dave
No I'm advocating her getting cracked over the head for being a dumb loudmouthed bitch.
I cant stand people like that.

Wow you must really hate yourself then Dave... Dave = first in line to be beaten for being a dumb loudmouthed bitch :P

Not that the girl didn't react oddly... but if I was black anywhere in the US I might be a bit... sensative to police overreaction as well. The cop should lose his job, because he obviously cannot control his anger, or emotions. The girl definitely could have remained calm and acted better, but how old was she? Was she raised to fear the police? I really think the manager should not have let him behind the counter and settled the problem by telling him about the tape.

All in all the worst in the situation was the cop because he was in a position to abuse his authority. He had the most responsibility to act correctly IMO. I am not saying the girl didn't do something wrong by flipping out at him verbally, but the police officer should have remained calm and handled the situation a lot better. (I have a friend that is a sherrif and he's completely flabbergasted by this.)

[Edited on 8-4-2005 by OreoElf]

[soenchanting]

Okay, I've worked in service jobs for many years and have dealt with the "I gave you a $20" thing a bunch of times. Twice I've been wrong and promptly apologizes. Umpteen times it was the person I was serving who was wrong. I've never had an apology when the customer was wrong. I've had threats and name calling though! Anyway, it is a frustrating situation.
However, the cop handled this hideously. If some guy walked behind my counter and tried to take me to his car, because of his own personal crap, you can bet I'd react badly too. I don't give a damn about the uniform just because he's wearing one you should go off with him? He should've called in a third party and had them arrest her/ talk with her. Sure she reacted badly but in confronting her like that he ingnited the situation. Flame away!

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by DeV
I didn't see anything like that occur in the video.Oh I know, I was just citing the complete thing so people didn't erroneously accuse me of taking stuff out of context, which has happened before. I bolded the part I felt was relevant. And if a police officer's duties don't include investigating suspicious behavior, then I don't know what fits.
Originally posted by Backlash
Face it man, there is no reason to pepper spray a 17 year old girl because she said some bad words. Its really that simple.Police can't just give up when a suspected criminal resists arrest. Certainly we can find a happier medium than this though.

Ohio's relevant law:
§ 2921.33. Resisting arrest.
(A) No person, recklessly or by force, shall resist or interfere with a lawful arrest of the person or another.
(B) No person, recklessly or by force, shall resist or interfere with a lawful arrest of the person or another person and, during the course of or as a result of the resistance or interference, cause physical harm to a law enforcement officer.
(C) No person, recklessly or by force, shall resist or interfere with a lawful arrest of the person or another person if either of the following applies:
(1) The offender, during the course of or as a result of the resistance or interference, recklessly causes physical harm to a law enforcement officer by means of a deadly weapon;
(2) The offender, during the course of the resistance or interference, brandishes a deadly weapon.
(D) Whoever violates this section is guilty of resisting arrest. A violation of division (A) of this section is a misdemeanor of the second degree. A violation of division (B) of this section is a misdemeanor of the first degree. A violation of division (C) of this section is a felony of the fourth degree.
(E) As used in this section, "deadly weapon" has the same meaning as in section 2923.11 of the Revised Code.

[DeV]

You seriously need to watch the video if you're going to post all of this followup information. I think the things you are stating would be worded a bit differently if you did.

[Back]

Originally posted by OreoElf

Originally posted by Dave
No I'm advocating her getting cracked over the head for being a dumb loudmouthed bitch.
I cant stand people like that.

Wow you must really hate yourself then Dave... Dave = first in line to be beaten for being a dumb loudmouthed bitch :P[Edited on 8-4-2005 by OreoElf]

PWNALICIOUS!

You have yet to meet me in person Oreoelf, I am well mannered and fairly quiet. :)

So its okay for her to act that way because she is black?
BZZZZT wrong
It is never okay for anyone to act like that, no matter their race.

[Skirmisher]

Getting loud and cursing may not be the most genteel of mannerisms Dave and may or may not be how you act on these boards but they are also not illegal.

You will not get any respected law enforcement officer to say the officer in that video acted properly.

Won't happen.

If they won't even back him up you should really just stop.

[Back]

Originally posted by Dave
So its okay for her to act that way because she is black?
BZZZZT wrong

I was thinking along the lines of young, scared as hell and most importantly innocent.

Originally posted by OreoElf


Not that the girl didn't react oddly... but if I was black anywhere in the US I might be a bit... sensative to police overreaction as well.

Nope she said because shes black.

[Back]

Well, I think she does have a point on that actually. But I bet she sure as shit won’t be all that trusting of the police after a face full of pepper spray for being accused of stealing $10 dollars when she didn’t.

I dont think she was in the first place cause "day puts her brudder in jail"

[Hulkein]

I don't think she can be any less trustful of cops, so it doesn't really matter.

She's already at the point where her response to anything from a cop is FUCK DAT MY BROS LOCKED UP.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Hulkein
I don't think she can be any less trustful of cops, so it doesn't really matter.

She's already at the point where her response to anything from a cop is FUCK DAT MY BROS LOCKED UP.

You are 100% right.

Lets mace her and what was it Detective Dave? Slap her in the head with a baton? I mean she can't possibly dislike cops any more.

And judging by this officers actions, we can be sure that anything her brother was accused of he must have been guilty of I guess.

Beat her over the head with a baton, slapping would not knock her the fuck out like she needed to be.

[Skirmisher]

There ya go.

Thanks Detective!

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Dave
I dont think she was in the first place cause "day puts her brudder in jail"

Hrm, she speaks about as well as you can express your thoughts here.

Yet we haven't had you arrested.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
Lets mace her

I'm sure she will if she ignores a cop telling her to come to the station again.


And judging by this officers actions, we can be sure that anything her brother was accused of he must have been guilty of I guess.

I know you're just playing devils advocate here, so surely you see the lack of logic in that statement.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Dave
You have yet to meet me in person Oreoelf, I am well mannered and fairly quiet. :)
Quite true. Half the shit Dave talks on the boards, I could not imagine him saying in person.

[Artha]

Who is that not true about?

[DeV]

Lots of people, I'd imagine. He is just nothing like he is on the boards. He says as much in his post; I'm just backing him up.

[Artha]

Yep. The two people I've met from these boards are atleast somewhat different than how they usually post, I think most people are a lot more free with an inch of glass and hundreds of miles between them and whoever they're talking to.

Originally posted by DeV

Originally posted by Dave
You have yet to meet me in person Oreoelf, I am well mannered and fairly quiet. :)
Quite true. Half the shit Dave talks on the boards, I could not imagine him saying in person.

My views are as strong mind you, but I put more effort into being diplomatic about them.

[Edited on 8-5-2005 by Dave]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by Dave
I dont think she was in the first place cause "day puts her brudder in jail"

Hrm, she speaks about as well as you can express your thoughts here.

Yet we haven't had you arrested.

OR some people need to be able to take a joke, like hitting her over the head with a baton.

[Skirmisher]

And some people need to stop falling back on the "I was only joking " defense when the true vulgarity of what they spouted out on a message board finally becomes apparent even to them.

Skrim, you seriously think i advocate hitting people over the head with a police batton?

Perhaps I was wrong about you. You are a dumb bitch, much like her. :)

Dont worry ill play along with your attempts to egg me into arguments. Perhaps TOJ was right about you? :P

Edit: Ill also play along with the personal insults, you sure threw enough of them at me in the thread, so I guess its only right to return the favor in a similarly childish manner.

[Edited on 8-5-2005 by Dave]

[Shalla]

Originally posted by DeV

Originally posted by Dave
You have yet to meet me in person Oreoelf, I am well mannered and fairly quiet. :)
Quite true. Half the shit Dave talks on the boards, I could not imagine him saying in person.

I spoke to some of the people who posts here over the phone and they were different from the impressions I had either. Except for one person.. He makes fun of me on or off the boards, but then again I initially thought he was doing it to be mean.

To be on topic:

I cannot believe I ignored this thread. 10 pages = juicy entertainment.

Needless to say, they both could've handled it differently by treating each other with respect.

[ElanthianSiren]

if ToJ assessments were widely held by the PC, I think he'd still be posting here.

Seems to be some misunderstanding where I think I see hair pulling. It's near the end of the tape, as he's removing her from the scene.

The headset thing would have been offensive to me though anyway.

Also, as someone else mentioned, the cop most likely wasn't privy to what she said before he got there (they shoulda never taken my bro away) and about hating cops.

I agree that she could have handled herself better, but I think from the cop's body language and his initial behavior that he would not have handled himself better, even if she had. --But it might have gotten her more money.

-M

sometimes it takes a while for a persons true colors to show :shrug:

Skrim there has been getting worse and worse over the last two months

[Snapp]

I haven't noticed Skirm's posting habits changing at all. Maybe it's just you who's changed into more of a douche than you already were.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Dave
Dont worry ill play along with your attempts to egg me into arguments. Perhaps TOJ was right about you? :P


Why Dave, what ever do you mean?

Right in what way?

Please be specific.

;)

Originally posted by Snapp
I haven't noticed Skirm's posting habits changing at all. Maybe it's just you who's changed into more of a douche than you already were.
Naw thats not possible snapp, I doubt i could get worse.

[Skirmisher]

Did i use words too large for you to understand Dave?

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Snapp
I haven't noticed Skirm's posting habits changing at all. Maybe it's just you who's changed into more of a douche than you already were.

I've noticed a change.

[HarmNone]

Let's talk about cops, pepper spray, and mouthy kids at drive-ins in this thread, eh? After all, that's what it's about.

[peam]

She deserves more than a pepper spray for such a thorough butchering of the English language.