Palmeiro Suspended

[Dwarven Empath]

What a joke, Ive seen his career from the getgo.

Show me anything outta the normal.

[Latrinsorm]

I heard on the radio that he has twice as many HRs per year from age 35-present as age 25-35 (traditionally a hitter's prime).

[Warriorbird]

He's a nice guy. This goes to show you why I'm no longer the rabid baseball fan I once was, however.

[Delirium]

In 88,89 and 90 the guy hit 30 homers total and had over 550 ABs each year. 95-02 the guy hit at least 38 homers each year. That doesnt necessarily prove he took steroids as people do tend to bulk up as they get mature in age but thats a bit more out of the normal id imagine.

[Sean]

It doesn't help that Canseco called him out.

[Showal]

canseco would have called out his own mother to sell that book.

[Terminator X]

I couldn't even tell he was on the juice.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Showal
canseco would have called out his own mother to sell that book.

Yet so far he is right.

Everyone calling him names and ridiculing his book should step back because he is only seeming more and more on target as time goes by.

[Latrinsorm]

Before anyone goes too nuts over this, it is possible that through the use of protein shakes and other OTC supplements, people can be unintentionally exposed to any number of substances that would cause him or her to fail a substance test.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Tijay
It doesn't help that Canseco called him out. Sure doesn't. Or the fact that he said under oath that he didn't take them at that hearing.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Before anyone goes too nuts over this, it is possible that through the use of protein shakes and other OTC supplements, people can be unintentionally exposed to any number of substances that would cause him or her to fail a substance test.

Sure. It's also possible the test was faulty due to a manufacturing defect in a freak accident.

That didn't happen here though.

He just got caught is all.

And after being oh so righteous before congress too.
:clap:

[Sean]

How do you know it didn't happen? Last I heard they hadn't released the cause of the positive.

Canseco is a "Blue Falcon."
:)

[Showal]

<<How do you know it didn't happen? Last I heard they hadn't released the cause of the positive. >>

I think that was determined to be the case in that kid from Tampa Bay who was the first to be suspended for this.

It's entirely possible it could be the case for Palmeiro, but I believe the kid from Tampa had a better case for it because he can't afford and doesn't have access to the trainers and what not that Palmeiro and the Orioles can, so it's less likely he knew what he was putting into his body. A number of OTC supplements, however, can give a positive reading on these tests.

[Skirmisher]

He went on tape saying how he had taken something without his physicians okay or without a prescription.

Correct, I do not have video or what have you of the ussage, but I have no doubt in my mind that he was taking something that he at the very least knew to be suspect.

Live by the lob, die by the lob.

[Warriorbird]

He is, Dave. Doesn't mean some of his accusations won't wind up true, however.

[Alfster]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Before anyone goes too nuts over this, it is possible that through the use of protein shakes and other OTC supplements, people can be unintentionally exposed to any number of substances that would cause him or her to fail a substance test.

Only an absolute moron would take something that may have a banned substance in it, even accidentally. Baseball players know they're being watched for this and they should know what they're putting in their bodies before they do it. Claiming ignorance is not going to help him any because he had already been called out by Canseco and no one's going to believe what he says now unless he fess's up.

What a dipshit.

[Showal]

<<Only an absolute moron would take something that may have a banned substance in it>>

A lot of the banned substances can go by many different names ... seeing as most aren't regulated by the FDA, the supplements don't necessarily have to even state everything they have in them.

[Showal]

<<What a dipshit.>>

But I still agree.

[Showal]

Essentially, a list of approved supplements has to be issued by the MLB so players can not claim ignorance.

[Alfster]

My point is that he had already been called out, he should have checked into what he was taking if this is even the case.

You would think the trainers would know what they're telling their players to take.

[Warriorbird]

The funniest rumour is it had to do with his Viagra usage.

[Showal]

<<"I told the truth, and today I am telling the truth again that I did not do this intentionally or knowingly," he said in a conference call. "I hope the fans understand that I worked very hard over a long 20-year career. I put in a lot of time and a lot of effort in my career. I made a mistake and I am facing it. I hope people learn from my mistake and I hope the fans forgive me.

"I went in front of Congress and I was honest with Congress. There's no absolute reason for me to do anything at this stage of my career. There's nothing for me to gain and everything for me to lose. I knew I was approaching 3,000 hits. I was not about to put everything on the line, my reputation and everything that I've worked for so hard in my life to do anything like this. It just makes no sense."

Palmeiro and the Orioles released a statement before the conference call.

"At the outset, let me say that under the rules of the basic agreement and the order of the independent arbitrator, there is an order of confidentiality governing the specifics of this case," Palmeiro wrote. "I will attempt to state as much as I can and be as forthright as possible, but there will be issues I can't address based on orders imposed on me by the basic agreement and the arbitration process. I am here to make it very clear that I have never intentionally used steroids. Never. Ever. Period.

"When I found out that I failed a test under the new drug policy, I filed a grievance and challenged the suspension on the basis that I have never intentionally taken a banned substance. Ultimately, although I never intentionally put a banned substance into my body -- the independent arbitrator ruled that I had to be suspended under the terms of the program."

Palmeiro said he does not have an explanation for the positive test.

"I am sure you will ask how I tested positive for a banned substance. As I look back, I don't have a specific answer to give. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to explain to the arbitrator how the banned substance entered my body. The arbitrator did not find that I used a banned substance intentionally -- in fact, he said he found my testimony to be compelling -- but he ruled that I could not meet the heavy burden imposed on players who test positive under the new drug policy." >>

Taken from http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050801&content_id=1153579&vkey=n ews_bal&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal

I think players are just going to rely on this "unintentional" aspect of it. That's why I think they need to establish an approved list of supplements.

[Skirmisher]

It seems the list of people finding excuses for Palmeiro is growing smaller.

He now is trying to blame teamates and has been shown the door by his team.


Banished from his altar as a future first-ballot Hall of Famer, Rafael Palmeiro, in a matter of weeks, has stepped down from respectability, slid in the mud of his ever-tarnishing image and taken the unforgivable road of "passing the buck."

A few months ago, Major League Baseball's newest member of the 3,000-hit club waved his finger at members of Congress, as if he was lecturing the lawmakers on his innocence.

Sitting at the end of the table, Jose Canseco looked on, thinking, "Man, is this guy serious?"

What story will Palmeiro come up with next? He already tried blaming Baltimore Orioles teammate Miguel Tejada for giving him an injection of B-12, a legal vitamin that helps maintain healthy nerve cells and red blood cells. Squealing to baseball's arbitration committee, he reasoned: "The vitamin Tejada gave me was the reason I tested positive for steroids. It wasn't my fault."

Full Story Here<---------- (http://www.nwherald.com/SportsSection/hawkins/298369798117072.php)

[Warriorbird]

Once again... things like this are why I'm no longer a rabid baseball fan.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Once again... things like this are why I'm no longer a rabid baseball fan. Sosa did it for me.

[Warriorbird]

Yeah...well...I ceased a long time before that.