Empaths are morons!

[Drew]

My character had a rank three neck wound at which point I usually don't have him speak, doesn't make sense to me. Here's a log of me standing in front of this person FOREVER while she goes on her business just as oblivious as can be. Not all empaths are morons of course (hi Chica), just most of them! Keep in mind I edited out like ten minutes of noise here too.




varying fashions stand about, some chattering happily, others reclining on cloaks laid on the ground. One ancient halfling leans against the base of the large ice statue of a mule, snoring blissfully. A feeling of community pervades the area, putting you immediately at ease. You also see a scratched coin, the translucent Miressa disk, a wooden arrow and a carved ice bench with some stuff on it.
Also here: Lord Deevian, Justlamann, Odonis, Raaje who is kneeling, Kanani who is sitting, Stoniemeadow, Deschaen, Loths who is sitting, Lady Miressa, Ishona who is sitting, Lord Seirus who is sitting
Obvious paths: north, east, south, west
[Script]>

[Script finished!]

>Put my axe in my surcoat
You put a double-bladed eonake battle axe in your knight's surcoat.
>
>

>open pouch
>
You open a small chevalier's pouch.
>get ac leaf
You remove some acantha leaf from in your chevalier's pouch.
>
>eat my leaf
You take a bite of your acantha leaf.
YUCK! That stuff tastes horrible!
You feel a little better.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You have about 29 bites left.
>gasp
You gasp.
>wheeze
You wheeze, trying to catch your breath.
>
Ishona meditates over Justlamann.
Ishona takes Justlamann's chest damage.
>
Ishona meditates over Justlamann.
Ishona takes all of Justlamann's blood loss.
>
You take a bite of your acantha leaf.
You feel a little better.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You have about 28 bites left.
>
>gasp
You gasp.
>
Ishona smiles at Justlamann.

>beg heal neck
You clutch your neck, your eyes pleading for relief.
>
Ishona murmurs a simple, mystical chant...
>
Justlamann just handed Ishona some coins.
>
Ishona gestures.
Ishona's chest looks better.
>eat ac leaf
You take a bite of your acantha leaf.
YUCK! That stuff tastes horrible!
You feel a little better.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You have about 27 bites left.
>
>gasp
>
You gasp.
>
Ishona says, "Thank you."
>
Paulaina asks, "Any healing?"
>
Ishona meditates over Paulaina.
Ishona takes Paulaina's left leg damage.
>wheeze
You wheeze, trying to catch your breath.
>
Ishona meditates over Paulaina.
Ishona takes Paulaina's left arm damage.
>
Ishona meditates over Paulaina.
Ishona takes Paulaina's right arm damage.
>
>l isho
Ishona meditates over Paulaina.
Ishona takes all of Paulaina's blood loss.
>
You see Ishona.
She appears to be a Giant of the Araime Clan.
She appears to be very young and shorter than average. She has small golden eyes and ivory skin. She has tonsured, tied back deep red hair worn in a ponytail. She has a triangular face, a freckled nose and a missing tooth.
She has some minor cuts and bruises on her left arm, a fractured and bleeding left leg, a case of sporadic convulsions, and some minor cuts and bruises on her right arm.
She has a scar across her neck, old battle scars on her right arm, old battle scars on her left arm, a mangled right leg, a mangled left leg, old battle scars on her right hand, a mangled left hand, an old battle scar across her chest, an old battle scar across her abdominal area, an old battle scar across her back, a black-and-blue right eye, a black-and-blue left eye, a very difficult time with muscle control, and a scar across her face.
She is bleeding from the left leg.
She is holding some woth flower in her right hand.
She is wearing a lilac satchel, some beaded snow white slippers, an amethyst cabochon headband, a crystal beaded gem pouch, a shimmering crystal-dusted bodice, a flowing pale lilac satin skirt, a crystal amulet, a reinforced shield, a leather sheath, a sparkling blue tourmaline brooch, a pearl-clasped white leather backpack, and a gold ring.

>
>act points at his neck and makes a faint wheezing sound
(Chivalrous points at his neck and makes a faint wheezing sound)
>
Ishona murmurs a simple, mystical chant...
>gasp
You gasp.
>
Paulaina beams happily at Ishona!
>
Ishona gestures.
Ishona's left leg looks better.
>>
Paulaina hugs Ishona.
>
Paulaina just handed Ishona some coins.
>
>health
You have snapped bones and serious bleeding from the neck, some minor cuts and bruises on your right arm, minor cuts and bruises on your abdominal area, and a bruised left eye.

Bleeding:
Area Health per Round
----------------------------------
Neck 10

Maximum Health Points: 162
Remaining Health Points: 34
You are feeling faint.

Maximum Spirit Points: 6
Remaining Spirit Points: 6

Maximum Stamina Points: 71
Remaining Stamina Points: 71

>>
Paulaina says, "Thank you."
>
>
Ishona says, "Thank you."
>eat ac leaf
>
You take a bite of your acantha leaf.
YUCK! That stuff tastes horrible!
You feel a little better.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You have about 26 bites left.
>
Ishona gives Paulaina a friendly hug.
>
Ishona murmurs a simple, mystical chant...
>beg heal neck
You clutch your neck, your eyes pleading for relief.
>
Ishona gestures.
Ishona's right arm looks better.

>gasp
>
You gasp.
>
Ishona murmurs a simple, mystical chant...
>
Ishona gestures.
Ishona's left arm looks better.
>eat my leaf
>
You take a bite of your acantha leaf.
You feel a little better.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You have about 25 bites left.
>>
Daelynna cheerfully asks, "Healing please?"
>
Ishona murmurs a simple, mystical chant...
>
Ishona gestures.
Ishona's left leg looks better.
>
>cough
You cough.

>eat my leaf
You take a bite of your acantha leaf.
You feel a little better.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You have about 24 bites left.
>
Ishona nods to Daelynna.
>

Ishona meditates over Daelynna.
Ishona takes Daelynna's chest damage.
>
Ishona meditates over Daelynna.
Ishona takes all of Daelynna's blood loss.


Kirillov asks, "Could I get some healing as well?"

>
Daelynna cheerfully says, "Thank you."
>cough
Ishona nods to Kirillov.
>
You cough.
>l
[Icemule Trace, Town Center]
The bustling town comes together in this square. Halflings dressed in varying fashions stand about, some chattering happily, others reclining on cloaks laid on the ground. One ancient halfling leans against the base of the large ice statue of a mule, snoring blissfully. A feeling of community pervades the area, putting you immediately at ease. You also see a white cat that is sitting, a pure white sparrowhawk that is flying around, a scratched coin, the translucent Miressa disk, a wooden arrow and a carved ice bench with some stuff on it.
Also here: Justlamann, Journeywoman Daelynna, Kirillov, Paulaina, Odonis, Kanani, Stoniemeadow, Deschaen, Loths who is sitting, Lady Miressa, Ishona who is sitting
Obvious paths: north, east, south, west
>
>
Ishona meditates over Kirillov.
Ishona strains, but nothing happens.
>

>gaze normal ishona

Ishona meditates over Kirillov.
Ishona takes Kirillov's right arm damage.
>
You gaze at Ishona.
>
Ishona meditates over Kirillov.
Ishona takes Kirillov's chest damage.
>
Ishona meditates over Kirillov.
Ishona takes Kirillov's left arm damage.
>
Ishona meditates over Kirillov.
Ishona takes Kirillov's left leg damage.
>
Ishona meditates over Kirillov.
Ishona takes Kirillov's right leg damage.
>
You gasp.

>eat leaf
You manage to take a bite of some ambrominas leaf, which is on a carved ice bench.
Your right arm feels better.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You only have one bite left.
>
>eat my leaf
>
You take a bite of your acantha leaf.
You feel a little better.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You have about 23 bites left.
>
Kanani pokes Loths in the ribs.
>l
A pure white sparrowhawk swoops low overhead, crying out loudly.

>
[Icemule Trace, Town Center]
The bustling town comes together in this square. Halflings dressed in varying fashions stand about, some chattering happily, others reclining on cloaks laid on the ground. One ancient halfling leans against the base of the large ice statue of a mule, snoring blissfully. A feeling of community pervades the area, putting you immediately at ease. You also see a white cat that is sitting, a pure white sparrowhawk that is flying around, a scratched coin, the translucent Miressa disk, a wooden arrow and a carved ice bench with some stuff on it.
Also here: Journeywoman Daelynna, Kirillov, Paulaina who is sitting, Odonis, Kanani, Stoniemeadow, Deschaen, Loths, Lady Miressa, Ishona who is sitting
Obvious paths: north, east, south, west
>
Ishona meditates over Kirillov.
Ishona takes some of Kirillov's blood loss.
>l ish
You see Ishona.
She appears to be a Giant of the Araime Clan.
She appears to be very young and shorter than average. She has small golden eyes and ivory skin. She has tonsured, tied back deep red hair worn in a ponytail. She has a triangular face, a freckled nose and a missing tooth.
She has some minor cuts and bruises on her left arm, some minor cuts and bruises on her right leg, some minor cuts and bruises on her left leg, deep lacerations across her chest, a case of sporadic convulsions, and some minor cuts and bruises on her right arm.
She has a scar across her neck, old battle scars on her right arm, old battle scars on her left arm, a mangled right leg, a mangled left leg, old battle scars on her right hand, a mangled left hand, an old battle scar across her chest, an old battle scar across her abdominal area, an old battle scar across her back, a black-and-blue right eye, a black-and-blue left eye, a very difficult time with muscle control, and a scar across her face.
She is bleeding from the chest.
She is holding some woth flower in her right hand.
She is wearing a lilac satchel, some beaded snow white slippers, an amethyst cabochon headband, a crystal beaded gem pouch, a shimmering crystal-dusted bodice, a flowing pale lilac satin skirt, a crystal amulet, a reinforced shield, a leather sheath, a sparkling blue tourmaline brooch, a pearl-clasped white leather backpack, and a gold ring.
>
>
Ishona murmurs a simple, mystical chant...
>eat my leaf
You take a bite of your acantha leaf.
You feel a little better.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You have about 22 bites left.
>
Ishona gestures.
Ishona looks a little better.
>gasp
You gasp.
>
Ishona murmurs a simple, mystical chant...
>
>beg heal neck
You clutch your neck, your eyes pleading for relief.
>
Ishona gestures.
Ishona looks a little better.
>
>gaze normal ish
You gaze at Ishona.
>l
[Icemule Trace, Town Center]
The bustling town comes together in this square. Halflings dressed in varying fashions stand about, some chattering happily, others reclining on cloaks laid on the ground. One ancient halfling leans against the base of the large ice statue of a mule, snoring blissfully. A feeling of community pervades the area, putting you immediately at ease. You also see a white cat that is sitting, a pure white sparrowhawk that is flying around, a scratched coin, the translucent Miressa disk, a wooden arrow and a carved ice bench with some stuff on it.
Also here: Kirillov, Paulaina who is sitting, Odonis, Lady Miressa, Ishona who is sitting
Obvious paths: north, east, south, west
>
Ishona murmurs a simple, mystical chant...

>gasp
>
You gasp.
>
Ishona gestures.
Ishona looks a little better.
>cough
You cough.
>
>beg heal neck
>
You clutch your neck, your eyes pleading for relief.
>
Ishona murmurs a simple, mystical chant...
>
Ishona gestures.
Ishona looks a little better.
>
Ishona murmurs a simple, mystical chant...
>
Ishona gestures.
Ishona's chest looks better.
>l ish
You see Ishona.
She appears to be a Giant of the Araime Clan.
She appears to be very young and shorter than average. She has small golden eyes and ivory skin. She has tonsured, tied back deep red hair worn in a ponytail. She has a triangular face, a freckled nose and a missing tooth.
She has some minor cuts and bruises on her left arm, some minor cuts and bruises on her right leg, some minor cuts and bruises on her left leg, minor cuts and bruises on her chest, a case of sporadic convulsions, and some minor cuts and bruises on her right arm.
She has a scar across her neck, old battle scars on her right arm, old battle scars on her left arm, a mangled right leg, a mangled left leg, old battle scars on her right hand, a mangled left hand, several painful-looking scars across her chest, an old battle scar across her abdominal area, an old battle scar across her back, a black-and-blue right eye, a black-and-blue left eye, a very difficult time with muscle control, and a scar across her face.
She is holding some woth flower in her right hand.
She is wearing a lilac satchel, some beaded snow white slippers, an amethyst cabochon headband, a crystal beaded gem pouch, a shimmering crystal-dusted bodice, a flowing pale lilac satin skirt, a crystal amulet, a reinforced shield, a leather sheath, a sparkling blue tourmaline brooch, a pearl-clasped white leather backpack, and a gold ring.

>
Ishona says, "Running out of mana, sorry."
>
Speaking to Ishona, Kirillov says, "Thank ya kindly."

You hear your own faint thoughts echoing in your head:
"Will someone tell the blind empath in front of me I need healing?"


>[Icemule Trace, Town Center]
The bustling town comes together in this square. Halflings dressed in varying fashions stand about, some chattering happily, others reclining on cloaks laid on the ground. One ancient halfling leans against the base of the large ice statue of a mule, snoring blissfully. A feeling of community pervades the area, putting you immediately at ease. You also see the Delerium disk, a white cat that is sitting, a pure white sparrowhawk that is flying around, a scratched coin, the translucent Miressa disk, a wooden arrow and a carved ice bench with some stuff on it.
Also here: Delerium, Kirillov, Paulaina who is sitting, Odonis, Lady Miressa, Ishona who is sitting
Obvious paths: north, east, south, west
>
You hear your own faint thoughts echoing in your head:
"I'm dying here."
>l
Kirillov says, "No worries."

>

>gasp
You gasp.
>
Kirillov smiles.
>eat my leaf
You take a bite of your acantha leaf.
You feel a little better.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You have about 21 bites left.
>
>eat my leaf
>
You take a bite of your acantha leaf.
You feel a little better.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You have about 20 bites left.
>
Delerium asks, "Which blind empath?"

>point ish
You point at Ishona.
>
You hear very soft footsteps.
>
Ishona murmurs a simple, mystical chant...
>

>You hear the faint thoughts of Lyrikka echo in your mind:
"Tis best to stay stocked with herbs these days, I'm afraid"

Delerium nods.
>
Ishona gestures.
Ishona's right arm looks better.
>gasp
You gasp.
>cough
You cough.
>
>Quildor whispers, "Ambrey is at a tart table."
>
Jesperus just opened a ruby-inlaid gold leather pouch.
>
Quildor whispers, "Ambrey is at a tart table."
>
Ishona murmurs a simple, mystical chant...
>beg heal neck
You clutch your neck, your eyes pleading for relief.
>
>You hear the faint thoughts of Ambrey echo in your mind:
"or be nicer to the empaths"

Ishona gestures.
Ishona's chest looks better.

>
Speaking to Ishona, Delerium says, "Chiv needs some healin' if ya can please."
>
Delerium nods to Ishona.
>
Ishona nods.
>
Ishona meditates over you.
Ishona strains, but nothing happens.
>>wheeze
You wheeze, trying to catch your breath.
>
Ishona says, "I can't take that at my age, sorry."
>
Delerium smiles.
>
Quildor just went east.
>
.tcta

[Press the ESCape key to abort script.]
e


>You hear the faint thoughts of Fentalon echo in your mind:
"if blindness is the problem, the empath should be able to hear you"

You hear your own faint thoughts echoing in your head:
"I didn't have a neck really, how could I talk?"

You hear your own faint thoughts echoing in your head:
"I was standing there nearly bleeding to death while jamming acantha leaf down the gaping hole in my neck."

[Doyle Hargraves]

So what's the problem?

[Amber]

Ok, just some stuff to point out.

1) She's a young empath, as evidenced by her being unable to heal your neck.

2) It's rather drilled into an empath's head to not heal unless and until asked. No vulturing, etc.

3) My empath has never healed in Icemule Trace, but if it's like other places she's healed at, it can get very, very crowded and busy. It's easy to miss people asking for help, especially if you're rather young and inexperienced; even more so when the person doesn't actually ask for help.

4) If you're going to roleplay that you can't speak with no neck, you may also want to consider being unable to eat without one. I know the acantha leaf kept you alive, but if you're so much into rp that you can't ask for help, you shouldn't be able to eat either.


Just some random thoughts on the subject. :shrug:

[Drew]

You hear your own faint thoughts echoing in your head:
"I was standing there nearly bleeding to death while jamming acantha leaf down the gaping hole in my neck."

At least that's how I look at it. Anyhow I had some aloes stem sitting in my herb pouch the whole time anyway, I just would rather act it out and see where things go than go the easy route.


As to your other points I'm going to continue to judge the entire profession based off this one incident, thank you very much :lol:


And to be fair I've done this several times before (once even had both eyes missing and had a friend lead me to an empath) and most everyone picks up fairly quickly.

[Gan]

I think your first problem was that you were in Icemule Trace...

You could have abused the smile verb in about 20 different ways, one right after the other, and more attention would have probaby been given to you...

You could have skipped around in circles 3 times counter clockwise and then 4 times clockwise in the universal empath signal of 'I need healing'...

You could have giggled incessantly out of the gaping hole in your neck spraying flecks of blood everywhere until they noticed that it was not coming from your mouth, then skipped around with more giggling and smiling...

You see where this is going dont you?

:lol:

[Drew]

I was thinking of eating about 500 pieces of chocolate and then using the smile verb to projectile vomit it out the hole in my neck and create a hard/delicious shell of chocolate around her.

[Doyle Hargraves]

Make sure to barf on the empath.

[Bobmuhthol]

I never heal people that do not verbally ask for it.

[Anailea]

Tapping her might have helped too. There are often people eating herbs in TC type areas that don't want empath healing. Although my empath would have asked when time permitted, even with someone just eating acantha leaf.

[isebumples]

I've healed people that acted just as you did, mainly because they were roleplaying. My healer is first a warrior/hunter, and heals on the side, but he isn't a moron, and can tell when someone is in trouble, and dosent have a neck. I completely agree with you here, and its mainly why I decay directly after death with most of my chars, and rarely ever speak while dead with them, because talking when you are dead is impossible in my eyes, or at least should be.

-bumple's player

[Miss X]

Dude seriously, most empaths are just idiots. I use herbs with all of my other characters unless I personally know the empath. I also avoid all but the empaths I know don't suck, when Im playing Chica.

I think it's true that some people are just not interested in roleplaying, it's sad but that's how it is.

[Ilvane]

It all depends on who is around..some people do Rp it..and not all Empaths are the same.:)

-A

[Leetahkin]

I've attempted to rp this before too, walking up to the person, waving emphatically, etc.
I finally, after a long time, whisper to them (I think, it's been a while now).
They told me I should have gestured about MORE, they didn't notice I needed help.

With my little healer, she checks out people walking into the room. If she sees a neck scratch, or a missing eye, or a gash on their hand, she'll ask them if they need help. When the wounds were too severe for her to get, she'd have the herb handy to give to the person to make it a minor.

[Drew]

To be fair I've done this before and several empaths have picked up on it. Like I said, I had aloes stem the whole time, I just prefer to try and engage other players.

[Tromp]

Funny thing is I did the same thing last night almost near the same time. Had a crit in my chest and basically was trying to RP with gasp, wheeze, beg heal, etc... Ishona did not pick up on it at all. Finally I turned on my amulet and thought to her what i needed since I was rp not being able to talk. It worked.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<and rarely ever speak while dead with them, because talking when you are dead is impossible in my eyes, or at least should be.>>

Ghosts can't talk now? Every horror movie I've ever seen doesn't make any sense anymore.

I don't talk while dead out of personal preference, as opposed to any form of roleplay whatsoever. I usually go AFK or start browsing here and hopefully I'm alive when I get back.

[Leetahkin]

I got irritated last night, one of my younger characters died en route to the EN - darn vipers. Someone fogged to her, kept her, fogged her to voln, asked for a healer to heal her.... all before I had my character utter one word. Talk about a vulture. Don't ask the deader what they prefer.

Before this, my healer died on the way there, and someone fogged to her. The helper was sent away, as I didn't want to deal with waiting around for both healer/raiser to be found (I don't recall her profession). She was miffed, but I really didn't care.

[Xcalibur]

Most empaths are script whores so beside if you ASK for healing, you won't get any.

:down:

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Most empaths are script whores so beside if you ASK for healing, you won't get any.>>

It's very hard not to be a script whore when you have the best GemStone healing script at your disposal.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<Most empaths are script whores so beside if you ASK for healing, you won't get any.>>

It's very hard not to be a script whore when you have the best GemStone healing script at your disposal.

I totally agree with you.

It's hard not to script in gemstone since you are 2-3-4-5 times more effective with scripts than just typing.

Gemscript!

Empscrit!

:lol:

[El Burro]

I've learned with alot of crappy healers, if you don't actually say the word "heal" they won't notice you because all they do is look at the highlighted words on their screen. Try asking to be "fixed", you'll see the same thing happen.

[Leetahkin]

I feel so out of the loop. I don't use healer scripts, I don't have certain words highlighted for her... what a lazy way of playing IMO.

You feel out of the loop? I've yet to really play any profession outside of sorcerer because I hate low levels so much. Try that!

- Arkans

[Leetahkin]

Originally posted by Arkans
You feel out of the loop? I've yet to really play any profession outside of sorcerer because I hate low levels so much. Try that!

- Arkans

My low level wizard has been my spell slave for months and months because I just can't get the hunting thing down with a spellcaster. :lol: I'm so uncoordinated hunting with the wizard. I'm a sword wielder at heart!

My healer is my {healing} slave too. Otherwise I wouldn't have young characters.

Oh, and my two youngest are without using a hunting script. Geesh, I swear people are lazy.

[Wezas]

Personally I wouldn't have healed you because of your name.

But I've been burned before by the actors.

"Stop! I was trying to get XXXXX's (other empath) attention!"

I also wouldn't have healed you if you were a dirt elf, which I can't tell by your log.

If I could play a warrior that could run around with no armor and not get eaten by everything under the sun, I'd be all over it. UP WITH CONAN!

- Arkans

[Bobmuhthol]

I highlight just the word 'heal' and include it if it's part of a word. I have no idea why. I don't highlight injuries or anything, just case insensitive, not match whole word 'heal.'

As a result, and because I highlight virtually no characters, I hate empaths like Healall.

[Leetahkin]

Heck, someone had to point out to me the other day that if I appraise someone, a box of that person pops up, and I can click on all the injuries (using Stormfront). Which makes healing a person a LOT fast than me looking at them multiple times, and typing everything out. :blush:

I haven't played a healer since.... 1997ish, and even then Ent was quickly rerolled to a different profession.

[Latrinsorm]

She didn't heal you because you couldn't. Duh. That's the way healers SHOULD be, rather than some punk n00b nodding to a guy with an arm minor and uncontrollable convlusions and saying "OH GEE WHIZ I CAN'T FINISH SOMEONE HPEL LOL."

[Kainen]

Personally, when I play my empath I refrain from asking people if they want healing because it fucking annoys me when I have been sitting there for a while and some other empath logs on and does that. Now if someone is doing what he was doing and the wounded person was being ignored I might whisper to them, but normally unless you ask for healing I won't heal you. Now my empath is in Vaalor, so I don't know how it is anywhere else, but there's not many empaths there that give a shit about having manners regarding other empaths. I try to abide by profession manners.. nod at people, share healing duties ect.. but sometimes I agree whole heartedly with the thread title.

[CrystalTears]

As someone else said earlier, you really should have tapped the empath and then pointed at the part of the body with the injuries.

Since empaths would prefer to be told to heal them to avoid vulture accusations, since you don't wish to be verbal about it, pick an empath and point it out. I had found that hoping someone would catch on, especially when things are busy or with more than one empath, that even the fun and roleplayed situations are missed.

[Fengus]

This entire system is completely ridiculous, who cares if someone takes a wound unasked? Wtf would you come to a common healing area to *not* be healed, or be healed by your alt or best friend?

And the bitches complaining about being raised without them saying it was okay, I would solve that problem easily, murder your ungrateful and most likely stupid ass. Too bad no one loses anything with death and you can't go demonic anymore.


Stuff like what the original post was about used to be fairly commonplace and easy and light RP. Many times I could merely collaspe in TSC and get healed. Now its completely absurd, I come in bleeding from 4 locations, missing a few appendages, but I stand there and patiently ask for healing 5 times.

[Celexei]

Fengus is right on...If healing could only go back to the way it was years ago, before all the nodding stuff. I understand the reasons of the nodding, but really if you have a good healing environment, your focusing on getting your patients healed and out of there, and not inner bickering between who gets the next corpse or whatnot. Whats important as an empath is to get your job done and get on with it.

[Leetahkin]

A few things. There are areas where one expects to be healed, such as TC in Mule, TSC in the Landing, the dais at Illistim. But those places are not solely for healing. If someone is at one of those places and didn't want to be healed, but was ambush healed (without asking), a healer could potentially be smacked for that. I'm not saying my characters would or would not, but the potential is there.

A character has every right whether or not to be raised or healed. So yes, I was one of those "bitches" you refer to. I was going to decay my character when she died to save all the time of waiting for a healer/raiser, but she was ambushed. She did not ask for help, but was forced to comply once she was kept.

Every character has a choice. Get over yourself.

[CrystalTears]

Hey, if it were up to me, I would get rid of this nodding, tapping, whispering, MUST ASK, "don't touch me vulture!" days and go back to letting empaths be healers and heal those with wounds.

Don't want to get healed, then don't go where the healers dwell. Why people would WANT to have wounds is strange, but I know some want to keep them for roleplaying purposes. Fine, carry herbs and heal yourself to avoid it.

People get hurt by the minute. A healer will always find someone to learn from. If not, go whack someone dead to learn. Even after playing an empath myself, I felt it was rather pathetic that someone could learn sitting on their fat ass healing in a node. Everyone else has to travel to get experience, get up you lazy empath and go find the patients yourself, damnit!

[Anailea]

Actually, the deader that doesn't want to be kept, can cancel any link that clerics make, so that you do have a choice. You are just kept from being able to decay until the LK drops.

Anailea

[Celexei]

100 bonus points to CT. Exactly!

[Leetahkin]

Originally posted by Anailea
Actually, the deader that doesn't want to be kept, can cancel any link that clerics make, so that you do have a choice. You are just kept from being able to decay until the LK drops.

Anailea

But the damage has been done once lk'd. You now have to wait regardless if you wait for it to wear off, or you get healed and raised. A simple opening of the person's mouth last night asking if my character wanted help should have happened, IMO. They would have received a "no" in response.

[Leetahkin]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Hey, if it were up to me, I would get rid of this nodding, tapping, whispering, MUST ASK, "don't touch me vulture!" days and go back to letting empaths be healers and heal those with wounds.

Don't want to get healed, then don't go where the healers dwell. Why people would WANT to have wounds is strange, but I know some want to keep them for roleplaying purposes. Fine, carry herbs and heal yourself to avoid it.

People get hurt by the minute. A healer will always find someone to learn from. If not, go whack someone dead to learn. Even after playing an empath myself, I felt it was rather pathetic that someone could learn sitting on their fat ass healing in a node. Everyone else has to travel to get experience, get up you lazy empath and go find the patients yourself, damnit!

I also see the flaw in vulturing. You have multiple empaths in a room, they all see you and each one starts healing a part of your body. Ent would be pissed if she had to figure out who took what and give a tip to each.

Or you have young empaths that wouldn't have a chance to heal because the more experienced healers would get to the injured person first.

[Celexei]

Tips are a bonus, I'm not one to require tips when healing, they where always appreciated, and I was always one to tip 1-5k to empaths myself, but Empaths should heal because thats what they do as their profession, either that or get off their butts and do some actual hunting etc.

[Fowl]

Oh yeah, that Empath is SUCH a moron and is VERY blind because she couldn't heal you. What the hell is wrong with you? Stop posting logs about other people's lack of roleplaying when most of the time you are just insulting them behind their backs. You aren't the all-important lord, and not everyone is going to turn their attention to you just because YOU think your way of roleplaying a certain something is the right way. The fact that you found out at the end of the story that she couldn't heal you should've hinted at you that maybe you shouldn't have posted this under the title "Empaths are morons."

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Nobody Cares
I also see the flaw in vulturing. You have multiple empaths in a room, they all see you and each one starts healing a part of your body. Ent would be pissed if she had to figure out who took what and give a tip to each.

So scroll back to see who actually healed you. I can see why the player would get frustrated by the scroll, but the character should be estatic that they were healed. I guess not.


Or you have young empaths that wouldn't have a chance to heal because the more experienced healers would get to the injured person first.

Or you do what empaths did before and just learn to heal faster, or befriend an older empath to share the smaller wounds. It's a dog eat dog world, get in there and learn how to live with the hounds.

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Celexei
Fengus is right on...If healing could only go back to the way it was years ago, before all the nodding stuff. I understand the reasons of the nodding, but really if you have a good healing environment, your focusing on getting your patients healed and out of there, and not inner bickering between who gets the next corpse or whatnot. Whats important as an empath is to get your job done and get on with it.


My empath generally focuses on killing things. I hate healing empaths; she only heals if she knows the person and is willing to sacrifice part of herself for them.

I'm not saying that this person plays like that. In fact, due to the fact that she tried to heal him later, it seems unlikely. However, many people seem to think that empaths should vulture for wounds, that there should be calls of, "Can I heal you?!" once they see someone needs help. I guess, in general, they're damned as vultures if they do, and damned if they don't.

Point is only that in some cases, an empath truly doesn't want to touch another char with a 10 foot pole. I always feel really weird when people ask mine for healing, so I started informing them that the ritual steals part of their essence. It works well.

-M

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by celexei
I understand the reasons of the nodding, but really if you have a good healing environment, your focusing on getting your patients healed and out of there, and not inner bickering between who gets the next corpse or whatnot. Whats important as an empath is to get your job done and get on with it.By this logic, you shouldn't care if anyone ever poaches a creature you're hunting. If you have a good killing environment, you're focusing on getting your enemies killed and not inner bickering over who gets the next kill or whatnot. What's important as a hunter is to get your job done and get on with it.
Originally posted by CrystalTears
Even after playing an empath myself, I felt it was rather pathetic that someone could learn sitting on their fat ass healing in a node.TSC is not a node. Every other town besides Landing, as I have stated several times, is terrible and deserves nothing but derision.
It's a dog eat dog world, get in there and learn how to live with the hounds.Healing is hardly a dog eat dog world. In more than half a year of TSC healing, I've seen less than a dozen vulture healers. During instances where lots of healing is required very quickly (e.g. invasions) healing takes precedence over protocol.

[Celexei]

If ya can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen.

[Leetahkin]

When my empath was made, she went to RR because that's where Entress was at the time. She asked a guy if he wanted healing, but he was resting and didn't answer. So she healed his scratch anyway. He woke from the healing, and very nearly bit her head off.

After that incident, she will ask someone if they need healing, but she will only do so if they say yes.

Good analogy, Latrinsorm.

[CrystalTears]

Healing is hardly a dog eat dog world. In more than half a year of TSC healing, I've seen less than a dozen vulture healers. During instances where lots of healing is required very quickly (e.g. invasions) healing takes precedence over protocol.

Invasions are the exception, as that was fine regardless of the town. However on a regular basis, when I was playing, it was a dog eat dog world as far as learning went. You fend for yourself, heal when you could get your fast little fingers in there, and work with what you have.

Perhaps things have changed now, which is good I suppose. I still don't like that you still have to go to another town and ask how they heal, and ask permission, get yelled at when you try to help.. it's just too high maintenance, I found.

[Himmy]

Originally posted by Drew
I was thinking of eating about 500 pieces of chocolate and then using the smile verb to projectile vomit it out the hole in my neck and create a hard/delicious shell of chocolate around her.

Reading a log of that would have forced me to quit Gemstone. I always try to leave on a high-note and reading that would've been the best part of my gemstone days. Thanks for showing some restraint.

[Himmy]

Originally posted by Fowl
Oh yeah, that Empath is SUCH a moron and is VERY blind because she couldn't heal you. What the hell is wrong with you? Stop posting logs about other people's lack of roleplaying when most of the time you are just insulting them behind their backs. You aren't the all-important lord, and not everyone is going to turn their attention to you just because YOU think your way of roleplaying a certain something is the right way. The fact that you found out at the end of the story that she couldn't heal you should've hinted at you that maybe you shouldn't have posted this under the title "Empaths are morons."

I think you totally missed the point of this post.. The fact of the matter is that she didn't even attempt to heal him until someone asked her straight out. I didn't bother reading all of the reply posts on this thread, so maybe this has been addressed... But, I mean.. Geez. How many times do you have to grab your neck, pleading for relief and then gaze RIGHT AT HER before she even makes the attempt? Regardless of whether she could actually take the wound or not.

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
[quote]
Perhaps things have changed now, which is good I suppose. I still don't like that you still have to go to another town and ask how they heal, and ask permission, get yelled at when you try to help.. it's just too high maintenance, I found.

I'm not sure when you left, but I tried to help Brinnea when she came back after GSIV (she was a claid swinging empath); she hated all the changes to the profession and couldn't adjust. In the end, I think it's what you're used to and expect. I, personally, love my empath and love that she doesn't have to heal (I might have mentioned this :P ).

Conversely, the fact that empaths don't have to heal anymore is most likely contributing to their scarcity on nodes, so it's a catch 22. I never wanted to park my empath on a node and heal though, so I got what I wanted with 111, 1110, and 1106. I view healing and raising as a secondary mechanic for learning, while hunting is a primary (I should mention my main PC is a warrior).

Again, I think it's what you know and expect from the class. There is one empath in RR who has never hunted a day in her life (Akiromira is her name or something close); I can't imagine playing that way.

-M

[Artha]

Empaths that don't follow Artha's guide are morons!

Fixed for you :)

[Himmy]

<<There is one empath in RR who has never hunted a day in her life (Akiromira is her name or something close); I can't imagine playing that way. >>

I've always wanted to see a capped empath with like 1000 fame. Strongest Foe: A giant rat.

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Himmy
<<There is one empath in RR who has never hunted a day in her life (Akiromira is her name or something close); I can't imagine playing that way. >>

I've always wanted to see a capped empath with like 1000 fame. Strongest Foe: A giant rat.

:lol: Mountain dew on the monitor. Thanks.

Maybe that's what she's going for. I don't know. She's a very nice person; mine has talked with her quite a bit. HarmNone would like her, but I just can't imagine playing that way.

-M

[Drew]

Originally posted by Nobody Cares
A few things. There are areas where one expects to be healed, such as TC in Mule, TSC in the Landing, the dais at Illistim. But those places are not solely for healing.



I miss when Land's End was soley for healing, all you had to do was drop by there for about ten seconds and someone would heal you. GS just needs more people.

[Himmy]

Heh, yeah. Whatever happened to getting healed right there inside the gate? Let's bring it back!

[Shonison]

After spirit guide was changed to be random locations, the north gate group fell apart within a month.

[Himmy]

Oh, I guess that was during one of my 'off' periods. Hmph, that's crap.

[Celexei]

Originally posted by Himmy
Heh, yeah. Whatever happened to getting healed right there inside the gate? Let's bring it back!

:yeahthat: Ditto and then some!

[Celexei]

My empath and a few others, used to rally other empaths and try to do that exact thing, If enough people rallied then I'm sure it would be possible, but it is hard knowing that thieves can't steal in TSC and all, and inside the gate is free game.

[Himmy]

Well, 213 fixes that. And TSC isn't a node anyway, so it's not like we'd be missing that.

[Celexei]

Good point. If i where still playing, we'd do it....no, you go...DO IT!! IT CAN BE DONE!!!

[Celexei]

So by the time I come back (if it ever happens) It will be right!

[Himmy]

Heh, no one will listen to me. Besides, I don't sit at nodes and heal. I kill people when I'm in the Landing. Otherwise I goto Illistim and hunt.

[Amber]

I've heard you can steal in TSC now, but I could be wrong. The healing at the gates has been tried multiple times since I created my empath but it never catches on or lasts more than a day or two. The Old Thrak guy tells newbies to go to TSC for healing, so unless and until that changes, I think TSC is going to be the place where empaths congregate in the Landing, but again, I could be wrong.

[Celexei]

Sad really, the attitude of some Empaths have changed since that move, the way healing went about changed as well (grr nodding).

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Nobody Cares
Good analogy, Latrinsorm. :heart:
Originally posted by celexei
but it is hard knowing that thieves can't steal in TSC and all, and inside the gate is free game. Firstly,
If ya can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen. Secondly, TSC is no longer a permasanct.

[Drew]

It's more an issue of player population than anything else. There aren't enough empaths to insure that there is one in TSC all the time, let alone Land's End.

[fiendwish]

Since I'll never need one again, I can finally say that I've always thought empaths were pretty pathetic for the most part. Out of all my hours of play, I can think of only three that had brains and personality.

[TweedleDee]

you could have tried gurgling loudly and spouting blood all over the empath. it probably wouldn't have worked, since this one doesn't seem to understand roleplay at all.

[OreoElf]

Originally posted by Wezas
Personally I wouldn't have healed you because of your name.


How is that rp? you don't know someone's name til they tell you... everyone seems to forget that... I hate it when strangers automatically know my char's name like its tattooed on her forehead...

My emapth abides by empath ettiquite. I hardly ever bring her away from a table which I heal myself and friends at (when she's not hunting). I just don't get into the sit around and heal vulturing fighting for bodies thing.

[Amber]

Originally posted by OreoElf
I just don't get into the sit around and heal vulturing fighting for bodies thing.

Healing in TSC can be very fun though, if done with a group of empaths who're all considerate of one another and of patients. Some of my empath's best friendships have arisen out of healing encounters in TSC.

I very rarely have her there anymore, as she's been in a hunting mood lately, but once in a while, she still pops in if there's nobody else available for healing.

She kind of feels that it's her duty to help those in need, whether that requires healing, directions, or anything else that may arise, so to her, an empty TSC is shocking, as there should always be someone there in case someone is in need of help.

[Himmy]

Yeah, if you like being friends with a bunch of morons. I swear, most (MOST) of the TSC empaths are completely retarded and deserve a swift kick to the mouth.

[Amber]

Oh, I never said the friendships were with other empaths! ::::shudder:::::

Seriously, I've met a few empaths I've liked there, but the friendships have mostly been with people coming in to get healed. You know, someone comes in to get healed and then you start talking about how they happened to come by their wounds, and so on. Folks generally seem to want healed as fast as possible and then run out afterwards, but now and then, a convergence of events will lead to someone staying, my empath having time to talk without being interrupted by others in need of healing, and a conversation will ensue.

You have to have the right group of people for TSC healing to be fun though. If you've got the vacuums (suck wounds off everyone as fast as they can ask, regardless of if they've asked a specific other person or not) and vultures out, forget any quality anything.

When my empath was very young, she idolized older empaths. Once she actually was able to interact with them, however, she was very quickly disillusioned by the pettiness many of them exhibit. She feels someone who heals should do it out of a genuine desire to help others rather than for financial or experience gain. There are other empaths out there, I'm sure, who feel much the same way. I just don't run across many.

[Jolena]

I have really enjoyed playing/healing with my empath. I have to admit though, there are a few really horrible empaths that my character tries her best to avoid and so do I as a player. Silversoft, Skyfawn, Ismurri and a few others come to mind. Mainly due to their attitude with everyone else around them that is not their friend.

That being said, I healed for the first 23 trains strictly before hunting with her at all and I still managed to have quite a few really interesting and engaging RP interactions with other empaths as well as some patients she encountered. Hell even people who weren't her patients but just started to interact with her have made playing her fun.

There will always be the bad apple or three in the bunch no matter what profession you choose to play, it's your choice as well however whether or not you let those bad apples spoil your own time.

[cajunlady]

I've relatively new to GS, only a little over a year. My oldest is a cleric who's reached 50. I did make an empath with the sole purpose of putting an empath in Zul Logoth. Learned about empathing first by reading guides before I made her. *GASP* Seemed there was supposed to be some kind of hierarchy... *ha!* What she found was that she needed to hunt until she could at least take any minor wounds, and then load up on herbs to bring the bleeders down, and KNOW what they were for so no one bled to death while she fished around. Learned about the "nod", and actually have made comments to the effect that if she is in a situation whereby if the other empath(s) is(are) so eager to heal everyone that asks without allowing her the chance to acknowledge the request *Unless she watched em come in, appraised them and had NOD NAME all ready to enter upon the healing request to beat them to it*, then they could have it. She'd sit back and wait to avoid getting whiplash. She is in Zul now, but no one else is... *laugh*
Just recently I heard, so it's rumor, that it used to be that empaths didn't even attempt to heal anyone in a node setting until they were able to heal any type of wound.
As a dwarf, I certainly don't heal just anyone that walks in,... some dhe' nar are very particular about who aids them. If I see they are in pain, and I do my best to watch, and they have not been aided within reasonable time should other empaths be in the room *cause I do try to share*, I will ask. If I am the only healer, I ask before I rest if anyone needs my services.
My most irritating moments come with young empaths who can only take blood, and start leeching a patient I am in the process of healing. Trying to explain politely does not always get very far... in which case a nice bind does very well as long as they don't realize it is now an accusable crime... If only my empath was trained well enough to bind on her own...
It doesn't make sense to me to have a healer NOD when they themselves are typically beat up and battered. If they are too injured to speak... I suppose I can see a nod happening with whatever semblence of a neck they might have left... I think I'd be healing that myself....BUT since the nod is the acceptable way of doing things, she nods. Well, now she sleeps... she needs to get off her empathic ass and go back to get some more learning until everyone realizes that Zul Logoth is a neat-o place to be! Go Speedy! Thar's gems in them thar caverns, ayuh!:noob:

[Divinity]

All I have to say about the whole healing when you're hanging about town with wounds is this.. demeanor cold.

It works wonders. :)

You want healing and a specific healer nods to you.. quick steps!

1. befriend (person)
2. get healed
3. remove empath from befriend list

I don't see what the difficulty is.