The Middle-Class Are Screwed

[Terminator X]

Ebon Gate 2005: How scary? So scary that it's FREE.
That's right! The popular Ebon Gate festival will be opened to all players at no charge this year. Stay tuned for more info and be sure to keep your calendars open over the Halloween weekend!

That is pretty scary, actually.

Considering that this has in actuality, been comparably affordable to other roleplaying events and has developed an actual sense of its own community and tradition, I am just a little bit irked that ALL HAIL CANDOR!!!!!'s may now freely roam such a venue.

Discuss.

[Celexei]

I'm in favor of it myself, personally its better to share the festivities with everyone, of course this will make it harder to get work done and such but... hey Ebon's is a great time, and everyone should enjoy it, not just those that are so sucked in that they'll throw more money than the more sensible people of Elanthia in the pot.

[Celexei]

good point, but really....EVERYONE loves that kinda chocolate!

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Celexei
... not just those that are so sucked in that they'll throw more money than the more sensible people of Elanthia in the pot.

On the contrary, I think people that don't have the means to attend pricey events are stupid losers who should learn how to get a real job.

-K

[Celexei]

It does kinda suck for those people who make a good chunk extra from transporting goods from the festival to those who didn't pay to go, because a merchant is an honest profession as much as any, and if people are normally willing to pay for it, then thats working for both parties. But yeah..

[SpunGirl]

Let's just hope Warclaidhm's account gets re-activated in time.

-K

[Celexei]

Originally posted by SpunGirl

Originally posted by Celexei
... not just those that are so sucked in that they'll throw more money than the more sensible people of Elanthia in the pot.

On the contrary, I think people that don't have the means to attend pricey events are stupid losers who should learn how to get a real job.

-K

Some people in life are not as fortunate as others, and no matter what the working status of these individuals, sometimes actual real life comes as more of a priority, especially when I know alot of the gamers out there have children and families and when your dropping the money on events that will get you more text based items!!! then... thats not always being responsible, especially if you won't be able to sit up on your computer for 72 hours straight so that you don't miss every event that could possibly go on, because some people do have to work, its kinda nice to just go into the festival for awhile whenever you can catch the moment. Just words of thought. Either way I wish I could just afford to play GS, but being a struggling 18 year old 2000 miles away from anyone I know...I don't even have money to pay for a computer, internet connection, or a GS subscription....REAL LIFE SUX

[Miss X]

I'm pretty sure Spun was joking...

[Terminator X]

Originally posted by Celexei
It does kinda suck for those people who make a good chunk extra from transporting goods from the festival to those who didn't pay to go, because a merchant is an honest profession as much as any, and if people are normally willing to pay for it, then thats working for both parties. But yeah..

The only true sense of comfort that I gain from something as such is that yes, it is very, very possible that someone who is efficient enough to sell such quantities of bulk to the Gemstone community might also inevitably be forced to roleplay in the time that it took them to do such a task.

[Terminator X]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
Let's just hope Warclaidhm's account gets re-activated in time.

-K

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Sorry... :eek::eek::eek:

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Celexei
blah blah blah...

Perhaps a better response would be that people can spend their money exactly as they choose, and indicating that they are less than sensible for doing just that is retarded. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

-K

[Edited on 7-24-2005 by SpunGirl]

[Celexei]

Originally posted by Miss X
I'm pretty sure Spun was joking...

yeah I realize that, and I'm not trying to jump on her at all...so don't think that, but in all good humour i'm just continuing my thought, with a little stimulation there. Thanks for that btw!

[Terminator X]

Originally posted by Celexei

Originally posted by SpunGirl

Originally posted by Celexei
... not just those that are so sucked in that they'll throw more money than the more sensible people of Elanthia in the pot.

On the contrary, I think people that don't have the means to attend pricey events are stupid losers who should learn how to get a real job.

-K

Some people in life are not as fortunate as others, and no matter what the working status of these individuals, sometimes actual real life comes as more of a priority, especially when I know alot of the gamers out there have children and families and when your dropping the money on events that will get you more text based items!!! then... thats not always being responsible, especially if you won't be able to sit up on your computer for 72 hours straight so that you don't miss every event that could possibly go on, because some people do have to work, its kinda nice to just go into the festival for awhile whenever you can catch the moment. Just words of thought. Either way I wish I could just afford to play GS, but being a struggling 18 year old 2000 miles away from anyone I know...I don't even have money to pay for a computer, internet connection, or a GS subscription....REAL LIFE SUX

Didn't you just make a thread about how you are going to pay REAL LIFE CASH in order to satisfy a "Gemstone craving?"

[Celexei]

Originally posted by Terminator X

Originally posted by Celexei
It does kinda suck for those people who make a good chunk extra from transporting goods from the festival to those who didn't pay to go, because a merchant is an honest profession as much as any, and if people are normally willing to pay for it, then thats working for both parties. But yeah..

The only true sense of comfort that I gain from something as such is that yes, it is very, very possible that someone who is efficient enough to sell such quantities of bulk to the Gemstone community might also inevitably be forced to roleplay in the time that it took them to do such a task.

NOW thats asking a miracle....Roleplay....LOL people actually do that now? has something changed since i left? Hell now I may have to go panhandle the corners so I can get back in game!!! :lol:

[Celexei]

Originally posted by Terminator X

Originally posted by Celexei

Originally posted by SpunGirl

Originally posted by Celexei
... not just those that are so sucked in that they'll throw more money than the more sensible people of Elanthia in the pot.

On the contrary, I think people that don't have the means to attend pricey events are stupid losers who should learn how to get a real job.

-K

Some people in life are not as fortunate as others, and no matter what the working status of these individuals, sometimes actual real life comes as more of a priority, especially when I know alot of the gamers out there have children and families and when your dropping the money on events that will get you more text based items!!! then... thats not always being responsible, especially if you won't be able to sit up on your computer for 72 hours straight so that you don't miss every event that could possibly go on, because some people do have to work, its kinda nice to just go into the festival for awhile whenever you can catch the moment. Just words of thought. Either way I wish I could just afford to play GS, but being a struggling 18 year old 2000 miles away from anyone I know...I don't even have money to pay for a computer, internet connection, or a GS subscription....REAL LIFE SUX

Didn't you just make a thread about how you are going to pay REAL LIFE CASH in order to satisfy a "Gemstone craving?"

Nope...I just made a thread about how I'd like to plan a character, that I wish I had the money to pay for that craving, but in all actuality, its not gonna change a damn bit, and I'll still be wishing I had that money to pay for that craving! :lol:

[Terminator X]

If I wanted to be efficient at selling even an absurd bulk quantity of Past Pets, let alone the "greatest" 4x off of the shelf, I definately would make an effort of implementing some fashion of roleplaying to potential buyers.

FYI, last year, the mithril claidhmores that were accidentally sold off of the shelf were almost immediately revoked and the problem was handled fashionably. I feel that it speaks volumes to the fact that Simutronics *did* and hopefully still does, in fact, feel comfortable enough to not offer what are ridiculous incentives in order to emphasize promotion.

[Nilandia]

Originally posted by Celexei
It does kinda suck for those people who make a good chunk extra from transporting goods from the festival to those who didn't pay to go, because a merchant is an honest profession as much as any, and if people are normally willing to pay for it, then thats working for both parties. But yeah..
Someone needs to remind me not to offer to make runs at no additional cost for upcoming fests (EG excluded, of course, since anyone can get in). I did that for the third run of the Wavedancer and got inundated with requests to the point that I didn't have enough time to finish shopping for myself! :lol:

Still, it was irritating that some people would ask me to pick stuff up for them, I'd fill the order and they'd turn around to sell the stuff for a tidy profit. Not that I blame them; they're just trying to make money. It just doesn't sit well with me that they'd take advantage of an offer I made with the intention of helping people get things they would use, just for them to turn a profit.

Was even a guy who asked me to pick up a ring from a first class shop, which I did, and I heard him not a minute later on the Landing net selling it. Then he IM'd me, bragging that he'd sold it for a good profit and asked if I could pick up some more for him! I ignored him, of course. ;)

Ah, well, least I know a few people not to make runs for! :P

Nilandia

[Terminator X]

I guess that I can thank Simutronics for helping me to save money..?

This recent action has pretty much ensured that nineteen less dollars from my pocket will go to them annually. I think what will be interesting to see is if it (EG 2005) will be fitted with premium portals and a much more expensive pay event in the few months following.

It's either something or nothing with respect to the Gate festival. This might just be me, but I'm just too stubborn to break the tradition of its roleplaying and affordable make-up.

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Nilandia
Ah, well, least I know a few people not to make runs for! :P

Nilandia

I don't blame you, I'd be totally irritated.

I worked out a good deal with a friend who was in third class - she sat in the third-class merchant for me and got my alteration done. I rounded out her first-class shopping list free of charge (that includes paying for all the stuff on her list, which amounted to about 800k). And I got my staff done without having to sit there for hours.

-K

[HouseofElves]

Nilandia, you went on all three runs. I think you had ample time to finish your shopping.

It may have been a bit uncooth for them to go and sell the goods you picked up for them, but don't try to play the victim.

[SpunGirl]

I think this deserves an Arkans-style FUCKING PWND!!11!11!!!1 or however he does it.

-K

[Ilvane]

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[Nilandia]

Originally posted by HouseofElves
Nilandia, you went on all three runs. I think you had ample time to finish your shopping.

It may have been a bit uncooth for them to go and sell the goods you picked up for them, but don't try to play the victim.
I went on all three runs, yes. You also do not understand how I went about spending my time while I was on the ship.

My first run I spent entirely on working on the item list, making sure I had things correct, etc. The second run I spent on the quests and relaxing so I would have an enjoyable, restful time on at least one run. On both runs, the only work I got done was if I ran into a merchant and I had a free moment, and the only shopping I did was to pick up some containers for the free stuff I was picking up (food and such).

Third run was the run I decided to devote to chasing merchants and finally shopping on my own list. What I didn't anticipate, however, was the sheer number of people who wanted something bought for them. I can't begin to tell you all the IMs I got from people asking if I'd finished shopping for them while I was in the middle of an alteration/shopping run for someone else/digging to help other people/checking up on my list, etc. Once the shopping was done for everyone else, then I afforded myself time to shop for myself, and I had all of about 2 hours on the last night to do that. People had placed orders with me, many of them paying ahead of time, and I wanted to honor the trust they placed in me first.

For the third run, I completely bit off more than I could chew. I blame myself for that. I was advertising on the Landing black net that I was making shopping runs instead of making up my own list! That does not mean, however, that I am playing a victim. Someone had mentioned that a number of people sell things from the ship to make a good profit, while I offered my perspective of someone who made runs for no charge above off-the-rack cost.

Just how many times do I need to defend myself to you about the Wavedancer? Yes, I went on three runs. I also spent the majority of my time working on tasks that would help OTHER people.

Nilandia

[Ilvane]

I think it's kinda sad that people are still upset about it. So what?

-A

[HouseofElves]

Heh. I'm not upset, I went on all three runs as well. Different classes, different characters. She just needs to stop trying to get sympathy for such little things that we all go through in game. There has been a few times she has done it here, even a whole thread. Basic response: Get over it.

I think Nilandia is a cool character, as is her player. I'm sure we all appreciate her website but she really needs to examine the basis of some of her complaints. They just seem a little shaky and unfounded.

[Kainen]

Originally posted by SpunGirl

Originally posted by Celexei
... not just those that are so sucked in that they'll throw more money than the more sensible people of Elanthia in the pot.

On the contrary, I think people that don't have the means to attend pricey events are stupid losers who should learn how to get a real job.

-K

I pray that you are joking. Because that would make me a stupid loser according to you.

[Edited on 7-25-2005 by Kainen]

[SpunGirl]

I was joking, Kainen. The gist of things - directed at the original post I quoted - was that people of whatever means should be allowed to spend their earnings exactly as they choose, without comments from the peanut gallery about how they are less sensible than people who cannot spend/choose not to spend their money in such a fashion.

I don't have limitless expendable income, but if I choose to spend some money on an in-game event, that doesn't make someone who doesn't go to the same event MORE SENSIBLE (as according to Celexi's post) than me.

-K

[HouseofElves]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
II don't have limitless expendable income,
-K


Don't lie, SG. Next event you are spotting all of the PC so that you can help us look half as good as Naessi.

[Kainen]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
I was joking, Kainen. The gist of things - directed at the original post I quoted - was that people of whatever means should be allowed to spend their earnings exactly as they choose, without comments from the peanut gallery about how they are less sensible than people who cannot spend/choose not to spend their money in such a fashion.

I don't have limitless expendable income, but if I choose to spend some money on an in-game event, that doesn't make someone who doesn't go to the same event MORE SENSIBLE (as according to Celexi's post) than me.

-K

Ok thank goodness.. personally I think if you want to attend a higher priced event.. you'll find a way or you won't go. The price for the wavedancer wasnt one I was prepared to pay. But I was lucky that Gigantuous was willing to go do a little shopping for me. :heart: Gig.

[CrystalTears]

As long as people continue to pay hundreds of dollars a week to drink themselves stupid at a bar only to go home and not remember a thing, I will never have a problem with people spending money on a fun activity like an online gaming event. :P

Whatever creams your twinkie, babes.

[Edited on 7/25/2005 by CrystalTears]

[Ilvane]

I think 250-300 is a bit much for an ONLINE game, no matter what game it is, or what kind of event. It's getting to the point where anything that is "good" has to be a pay event.

I wish GS would be like it used to be..more for free, just because were were valued customers..not just for our hard earned couple of hundred of bucks..

-A