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Gan
07-22-2005, 10:44 AM
As reported by CNN:
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Global warming is caused primarily by humans and "nearly all climate scientists today" agree with that viewpoint, the new head of the National Academy of Sciences -- a climate scientist himself -- said Wednesday.

More of the story can be found at the link:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/07/21/global.warming.ap/index.html
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Thats it, all humans HAVE GOT TO GO! :lol:

On a more serious note. While I still say that cyclical climate changes are a factor in the global warming debate, I do also think that human activity (industrialization, daily living, etc) also is a factor in contributing to the expediency and increased effects of it.

We have hashed this debate in previous threads, but I thought that with this latest story, it would be newsworthy enough to share.

I also do support Bush's stance that ALL developing nations be held to the same pollution reduction standards as the G8 would be with regards to the Kyoto Protocol.

07-22-2005, 10:56 AM
:foshizzle:

Skirmisher
07-22-2005, 11:11 AM
Those from developing countries could easily say something like :

Right, so only the western countries should have had the chance to use cheap exploitive manufacturing techniques.

Only the western countries should have had the right to use so much of their existing timber that youhave to pressure Brazil to keep their rainforest pure to make up for your mistakes.

Forget the fact that you have cleared countless millions of acres of your own lands to be made into farms and developments just as we are doing.

Forget the fact that US companies are more than happy to do business in some of those countries and follow the more lax environmental protection laws that exist there as it is cheaper for them.

Some are just more equal than others perhaps.

DeV
07-22-2005, 11:18 AM
"Man-made pollution is largely the blame." Yes, Backlash has been saying this for some time now.

I also wonder whether we refuse to sign the kyoto treaty because we want ALL developing nations to sign as well, or because of the blow the ecomony could take if implemented(possibly millions and millions of dollars being expended), or because it is still considered to be a fraud.

Some people believe the purpose is to enfore climate control which would understandably be resisted. No major wars, no big energy using rogue nations, no technological changes that invalidate the assumptions, and so on would have to be enforced for this to truly make a dent... correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not too well read on this subject but from all the articles I've skimmed these are some of the conclusions I've made.

Warriorbird
07-22-2005, 11:19 AM
Eh. I'm not sure I buy it entirely. The biggest portion of global warming is caused by ozone shredding, and that's mostly due to jets. Nobody is going to quit using jets, least of all enviromentalists.

Edaarin
07-22-2005, 06:35 PM
Global warming is a significant side effect of industrialization.

If you think about it, strictly in the interest of environmentalism, you could justify stopping aid to developing countries, because as they get more advanced they're going to contribute more and more to this problem.

Warriorbird
07-22-2005, 06:48 PM
Maybe that's a secret American policy motivator.