Animal abusers.

[Betheny]

Since I"m bored, I'm watching Animal Precinct. If you've never seen it, it's a show that's a lot like Cops, except the cameras follow ASPCA police in New York. There's a few different shows in different locations, but all are basically the same thing: Rescuing animals and b usting animal abusers.

Here's my question: How do you feel about people that... say.... drop a dog, break its leg, and never get it treated?

Or people t hat leave their animals locked in a closet for three months, and do absolutely nothing for the animal other than maybe feed it once in a great while -- enough to keep it alive and suffering?

I'm of the opinion these sort of people need to be shot, but there's nothing much that will send me into a fit of rage... except the abuse of animals. It's not like t hey can help it, or have asked for it.

[Xcalibur]

Not my business. I keep remembering that very often animals are worse to themselves than we are to them.

[Betheny]

I thi nk there's a huge difference between nature, and animals fending for t hemselves -- and domesticated animals being thrown away like garbage, or treated like the Nazis treated the Jews.

[Weedmage Princess]

I was watching that today too. The one I was watching was in Michigan, though.

I think it's a pretty sick person who'd abuse a pet. Mind you, I said pet. If a rabid stray wanders into your yard, and is threatening to harm you or your loved ones..then yeah do what you have to do. But people who abuse their pets..or get pets then don't take care of them? They deserve fines and/or jail time, definitely.

[Betheny]

Feral animals are something completely different than an animal that depends on you for food, water, affection... etc etc.

IMHO, just being too lazy to get food or anything for a pet and making it suffer needlessly is pointless. Don't want the animal? Give it to a shelter.

[Xcalibur]

I know this isn't the issue here, but I tend to put my mind to higher priorities. When there won't be pedophiles, mothers giving birth while being stoned, people beating their children, parents killing their own flesh, et cetera...

When, we'll learn to behave with ourselves, I think I'll care about animals being not treated well.

Dogs got instinct, I was about to put my dog to a farway park because he was becoming dangerous, the bastard bites me 4 times on my hand before i suceeding puting him in his damn cage.

Humans? no

That was my deblateration

Meos: You've never been to a SPCA then, neither in a pet shop, you never travelled with your dog in a plane, brought your dog to the pet doctor (veterinaire?) neither, or called the spca to take the bastard away, et cetera.

[Edited on 1-1-04 by Xcalibur]

[Meos]

dogs don't belong in cages

[Hulkein]

I voted for jail time if it's serious enough.. I'm talking abuse to dogs and cats, not mice or something.

Like a few months ago around here a dog was found by some bushes with it's mouth duct taped closed. He couldn't bark, eat or drink, he was almost dead from being so skinny and his nose was rotted out and had maggots and shit there. They showed pictures of it, made me pretty angry that someone would do that to a dog. If you hate it that bad then a) bring it to spca, b) just fucking let it go without tape on its mouth, c) kill it humanely (i only say this if the alternative is to let it starve to death)

Edit- They couldn't save it so they had to put him to sleep.

[Edited on 1-1-2004 by Hulkein]

[Ravenstorm]

Unfortunately, it would be inhumane to do to them what they did to the animals. Though I might make allowances in certain cases, such as that duct taping incident.

If someone wants to abuse something they should just shoot themselves. Chances are they deserve it.

Raven

[Betheny]

They say animal abuse is just another step towards violence toward humans.

Many serial killers used animal abuse as a stepping stone to test their torture methods on living beings before they used them on humans.

[Xcalibur]

Got some studies on that? It's interesting, although I believe it has no meaning, since the "anti-christ" known as Hitler loved his dog

[Snapp]

I agree with most of what's said here. Some of the incidents I've seen on that show made me FURIOUS. I can't imagine doing that to my dog when there are SO many easy alternatives. They should do time for stuff like the example Hulkein said.

[Betheny]

I'm not about to google and look up some facts or studies for you, X. I'm pretty secure in the knowledge that animal abuse tends to lead to human violence. Ask a psychologist or a criminal profiler.

[Betheny]

Also... I don't know about you, b ut I don't think Hitler did any first-hand work against his 'victims'. Hitler also wasn't what you'd call a 'serial killer'.

Some good examples for you to look at would be actual serial killers, not a historical maniac.

[Xcalibur]

Hmm, Hitler was into direct violence before 1939, you know.

I just find what you're saying interesting. I agree with the part that abusers of "weak" people (women beater and such) are very often abusers of helpless animals as well.

But abusing animals tend to lead to human violence? hmm..

[Weedmage Princess]

Yeah like that freak on the show today who I guess got dumped by his girlfriend, so he went ballistic, tortured and stabbed her puppy. They should put his wang through one of those garlic smashing things.

[Betheny]

Google it your damn self, I'm not Bestatte, k?

[Xcalibur]

Eh, calm down, again?

No, I won't

You brought (thanks harmnone) it, not me.

[Edited on 2-1-04 by Xcalibur]

[Hulkein]

Xcalibur, your logic doesn't make sense. Just because there are pedophiles and murderers doesn't mean we shouldn't devote readilly available resource to putting away people who are mentally unstable (And Maimara is right, if someone is abusing animals they have a high propensity to do it to humans also.)

[Latrinsorm]

Killing a dog in a movie will totally get a bigger reaction from people than killing a person. With the same levels of "messiness", of course.

People who maliciously cause anything to experience pain should be stopped. That being said, I agree with X's general proposition that it's better this is happening to a dog than, say, an infant.

[Xcalibur]

I see people being treated by their fellow human worse than animals every day.

Sorry, I prefer seeing a dog mourning (manipulation) to a child crying because his mother beat the hell out of him

But that wasn't her question in her first topic, so I'll shut up on that

[Edited on 2-1-04 by Xcalibur]

[Betheny]

Animals and children are in the same boat, if you ask me.

Both are helpless and really can't speak up or defend themselves against violence or cruelty.

I fail to see how it's worse to slap a child than it is to starve an animal to death.

[Kurapira]

Originally posted by Maimara
Animals and children are in the same boat, if you ask me.

Both are helpless and really can't speak up or defend themselves against violence or cruelty.

I fail to see how it's worse to slap a child than it is to starve an animal to death.

On this thread, Maimara, I agree with all your above arguments and opinions.

[Betheny]

See? I rule.

/rule

[Xcalibur]

For me, a cow is a big load of meat. Violence is made everyday against animals, as cruelty. We eat them. When a hunter take his gun and chase a deer, shoot him, fail to kill him in one shot, search it (deer's suffering) until the final blow is shot..

No, sorry, it won't shock me at all, as making a frog smoking till it explodes, or cutting a frog in biology to know about its anatomy, as.. too many exemples

[Betheny]

Okay, let me spell this out for you.

A deer is not a domesticated animal.

Just so you know, let me define 'domesticated' for you.

DOMESTICATED

Main Entry: 1do·mes·ti·cate
Pronunciation: d&-'mes-ti-"kAt
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -cat·ed; -cat·ing
Date: circa 1639
1 : to bring into domestic use : ADOPT
2 : to adapt (an animal or plant) to life in intimate association with and to the advantage of humans
3 : to make domestic : fit for domestic life
4 : to bring to the level of ordinary people
- do·mes·ti·ca·tion /-"mes-ti-'kA-sh&n/ noun

Alright. So if an animal is domesticated, it is dependent on humans to survive.

This thread isn't about wild animals or hunting animals. This is about domesticated animals. Pets. Kittens, puppies, dogs, cats, whatever. Animals that suffer from NEGLECT.

You can't NEGLECT a wild animal, k? So unless you can accuse someone of neglecting an animal, then you really can't call them domesticated, in which case you need to just shut up, because that's not what this thread is discussing.

[Xcalibur]

I replied to your last post and not to your first post

in your last post, you said animal and children are the same for you

You did not said domestical animal.

So now you are saying it

So for you, it's immoral to test products on animal cause it makes them suffer? right?

I'm betting 10 bucks you use products being tested on animals without even knowing it.

I'm right or wrong on the bet, still, it happens. It happens.

Peam's rats, if treated like crap, is immoral, but we can call an exterminator to kill rats in your garage/house.

I'll shut up now

[Betheny]

Actually, I don't, Aveda doesn't indulge in animal testing.

Secondly, this entire thread is about domesticated PETS, so shut the fuck up and go sit in your corner and suck your thumb.

YOU ARE PWNED.

[Xcalibur]

Yes, I am pwned, I am pwned by someone not accepting violence in her neighberhood but accepting it outside because of something called "domestication"

It is right to make undomesticated animals suffer but wrong to make domesticated animals suffer.

Yes I am.

[Betheny]

If you're too stupid to see the distinction, then I'm not about to explain it to you.

[Hulkein]

Yeah you definitly lost the argument Xcalibur, do us a favor and hit the bricks.

[Naina]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
I was watching that today too. The one I was watching was in Michigan, though.

Word up Detroit, that's about the only good things that comes from there :D I watch it at school to remind me of "home" . . .
but yeah, I think they should get fines, go to jail AND get the animal taken away, I feel so bad though for the animals that have been so abused they're now vicious and have to be put down since they aren't safe to adopt out. :(

[Betheny]

The detroit one was really sad.

[Back]

Animal abusers should die. Thank you very much.

[Stacey]

Originally posted by Backlash
Animal abusers should die. Thank you very much.

I agree.

Stacey

[crazymage]

im with maimara i bitch at my roomate if he dont play with his dog enough nevermind abuse.. i have an iguana and 2 mice and i'd never harm them.